How long does it take to set the machine up. Can it work in inclimate weather? Can it work on a slope? What happens if mud, dirt, or mortar gets in the joints?
What happens when Jamal the jogger shows up to borrow some tools from the jobsite? Does the robot brick layer get scooped up too?
>How long does it take to set the machine up
One day
>Can it work ininclimate weather
yes
>Can it work on a slope?
Yes.
>What happens if mud, dirt or mortar gets in the joints
The wagie cleans it up. If he doesn't it gets a minor performance cut, but the wagie can be paid from the saved money from automation
Your callused hands are a liability, specially your sillicose lungs and your cancer filled liver.
be careful you don't provoke our resident autist who frowns on pedantic shitheads, and would rather revel in his ignorance. "it was a typo when I used the wrong word". kek.
From that article
"the process still requires a human mason to do the pointing, smoothing out the mortar, and also to install the wall ties that anchor the bricks to rest of the house’s structure"
"Monumental offets its service at a price that is comparable to a human bricklayer. Its service includes a human bricklayer who helps oversee the robots and do the bits of the job that the robots can’t do."
"Monumental’s robots lay bricks at about the same speed as a human mason"
So it's not any cheaper or faster. Really putting humans out of business by costing the same, at the same speed, and still needing tradies on site the whole time the robots are working.
10 years ago, I heard these 3D printed houses had already replaced masons, bricklayers, tuckpointers, pre-cast concrete companies, brick companies, etc. so by now, there are none of these jobs to even eliminate so they must be competing with the 3D print companies.
I believe this device also gives handjobs at the end of the day to all the support staff as a gratuity.
because 3d printed houses make no sense. ICF on the other hand makes a ton of sense and yet people still aren't using it in large volumes. So, sticks and particle board for everyone.
Hey sabastian, just buy an ad.
Hundreds of years of experience have proven that these crazy and (obvious) contraptions end up being slower, requiring more skilled labor, and end up killing people. They are nothing more that a curiosity.
icf = gaygay legos. your walls will have thousands of cracks built in from day 1 around all the plastic webbing, and there will be voids under all your windows. the contractor will cut out the foam right where he started the pour and let you think it all looks just as good as that spot.
no matter what scams these lazy yuppies come up with, we are really no better than the ancient egyptians in any regard except we have antibiotics and better pain killers. its still just as difficult to build dwellings and we have just as many societal issues. >muh tv >muh car
these are solutions for problems that we created
>Buy brick laying machine for $12,000 >It breaks down after a couple of months of running hard in 100+ degree weather >Have to ship it off to get fixed >Down a brick layer for that time >Finally get it back after paying $3,000 for the repairs
or >Give Jose a call >Tell him I'll pay him and his 4 young adult sons $10 an hour to lay my bricks >Just as efficient as the robot >Much cheaper than the robot >Unlike the robot, if they die then I can easily replace them
5 people, $10 an hour, 40 hour weeks, 8 weeks
5 x 10 x 40 x 8 = $16,000
machine, repairs
$12,000 + $3,000 = $15,000
so it's actually a bit more expensive to hire Jose in your hypothetical, plus at the end of the machine scenario, you still have the $12,000 machine
if you take out the initial $12,000 dollar cost (because you get to keep the machine for the next jobs, after the repairs) it's $3,000 dollars only over that period, so it still beats Jose if you build up to owning five whilst you fire Jose's sons one by one
So higher investment, lower long term prices
This might factor in too
You're forgetting the weeks you're out of a brick laying machine while it's down you goddamn illiterate moron
I had a look for other bricklaying robots and it looks like there's one that claims it can lay at 3x the rate of a human worker, but I didn't bother to find out the prices, these numbers we've been talking about are all pulled out of thin air anyway, who's to say it will break once every two months? or that it will cost $3k? it could be more or less
why are you so mad by the way?
There's also no way this machine is going to cost anything like $12k.
maybe
as I say, all the numbers we're dealing with are pulled out of thin air by the first guy I replied to
if i had to guess, i'd say it's more likely they rent you out the robot rather than directly sell it and include the service costs in that, but I am guessing
I remember Hilti giving a presentation of a machine that would drill holes in the ceiling for this big project we were on.
Very impressive, only needed a single operator and correct drawings, working laser etc.
We went with it and it turns out it drilled slightly off so none of it could be used. All that time wasted and now we still had to drill the holes ourself and got into trouble with other work that relied on those holes being drilled on time.
That's my one and only experience with these 'work saving' machines. Very impressive.
what caused it to be slightly off?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I was at the presentation but was not working at that project.
From what I was told and remember (it was about 2 years ago) it had to do with the equipment that the machine used to determine where it was on the 'map'.
Like with VR there are multiple stands placed on the site which the operator coordinates.
Either he did it wrong, the stands moved due to vibration or the machine lost connection or whatever
I remember Hilti giving a presentation of a machine that would drill holes in the ceiling for this big project we were on.
Very impressive, only needed a single operator and correct drawings, working laser etc.
We went with it and it turns out it drilled slightly off so none of it could be used. All that time wasted and now we still had to drill the holes ourself and got into trouble with other work that relied on those holes being drilled on time.
That's my one and only experience with these 'work saving' machines. Very impressive.
Nobody realizes that the entire site has to cleaned, levelled, and robot-proofed before they even get lifted on-site.
But by that time the actual worker is already done.
It’s like the roomba. It does a shitt job, you have to roomba-proof your apartment, you have to keep checking it to make sure it didn’t lock itself in the bathroom again, and you have to keep cleaning that tiny dust storage bin, and unwinding hairs out of the wheels and brushes.
It’s both 10x worse and 10x slower than just vacuuming manually.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes that as well. In construction you have people from different companies working beside each other. With this one you had to get them all of the floor to do it.
They wow you at first with the tablet, lasers and robot but when you think about how you have to hire someone to do this and he has to go site to site to drill these holes it's ridiculous.
Let the apprentice do it faster and he learns something from it
Writings on the wall, automation will happen. Thankfully they’re at such an abysmally pathetic starting point with so many hurdles to overcome it’s unlikely that you would see anything viable, let alone cost effective, for decades.
At best automation of most trades is something to worry about for people like 50-100 years from now. Sucks if you were really desperate to see your great grandchildren take over the family business, I guess. They’ll probably be too focused on the water wars to care though
>Go on reddit Carpentry sub for some reason. >Stumble into thread about illegal immigrant labor. > homosexuals saying that their is still a huge labor shortage and housing backlog and its good for the economy. > While dipshit makes $14 an hour to nail stick frame houses together in the heat while listening to the unending drone of tejano.
>gets to a window or door >unable to lay bricks until a professional stands the frames >unable to place wall ties and tie down straps >unable to set lintels
This thing only works efficiently for straight solid runs on commercial projects. It still needs to be loaded with bricks and cement constantly and have two people standing around watching it operate. Use robots for areas of construction that are easier to automate, or better yet, actually use technology to innovate a new method of building conducive with automation instead of trying to hamfist it into traditional methods.
How long does it take to set the machine up. Can it work in inclimate weather? Can it work on a slope? What happens if mud, dirt, or mortar gets in the joints?
What happens when Jamal the jogger shows up to borrow some tools from the jobsite? Does the robot brick layer get scooped up too?
Sorry nerds. My callused hands are better.
>How long does it take to set the machine up
One day
>Can it work ininclimate weather
yes
>Can it work on a slope?
Yes.
>What happens if mud, dirt or mortar gets in the joints
The wagie cleans it up. If he doesn't it gets a minor performance cut, but the wagie can be paid from the saved money from automation
Your callused hands are a liability, specially your sillicose lungs and your cancer filled liver.
Yeah but can it make jokes and talk shit?
>>How long does it take to set the machine up
>One day
Damn homie that's a long ass setup
>inclimate weather
inclement, ffs. You really shouldn't try to use words that you don't even know how to pronounce correctly.
*spell
Phonetically incorrect. The worst kind of incorrect.
be careful you don't provoke our resident autist who frowns on pedantic shitheads, and would rather revel in his ignorance. "it was a typo when I used the wrong word". kek.
>Shortage of laborers
You mean shortage of wages.
Have fun with your 90% taxes to fund all of our gibs
From that article
"the process still requires a human mason to do the pointing, smoothing out the mortar, and also to install the wall ties that anchor the bricks to rest of the house’s structure"
"Monumental offets its service at a price that is comparable to a human bricklayer. Its service includes a human bricklayer who helps oversee the robots and do the bits of the job that the robots can’t do."
"Monumental’s robots lay bricks at about the same speed as a human mason"
So it's not any cheaper or faster. Really putting humans out of business by costing the same, at the same speed, and still needing tradies on site the whole time the robots are working.
>costing the same
*costing 25 million dollars
10 years ago, I heard these 3D printed houses had already replaced masons, bricklayers, tuckpointers, pre-cast concrete companies, brick companies, etc. so by now, there are none of these jobs to even eliminate so they must be competing with the 3D print companies.
I believe this device also gives handjobs at the end of the day to all the support staff as a gratuity.
because 3d printed houses make no sense. ICF on the other hand makes a ton of sense and yet people still aren't using it in large volumes. So, sticks and particle board for everyone.
Hey sabastian, just buy an ad.
Hundreds of years of experience have proven that these crazy and (obvious) contraptions end up being slower, requiring more skilled labor, and end up killing people. They are nothing more that a curiosity.
icf = gaygay legos. your walls will have thousands of cracks built in from day 1 around all the plastic webbing, and there will be voids under all your windows. the contractor will cut out the foam right where he started the pour and let you think it all looks just as good as that spot.
how is it the materials fault if CONtractors cut corners?
>startup
it's a scam
The only thing that gives me hope in life is that the emergence of useful robots will convince our overlords to stop inviting in slave labor
>trade jobs are saf-Ack
>a brick layer
Ah yes, the job everyone is lining up for on every site.
>but we need more immigrants
no matter what scams these lazy yuppies come up with, we are really no better than the ancient egyptians in any regard except we have antibiotics and better pain killers. its still just as difficult to build dwellings and we have just as many societal issues.
>muh tv
>muh car
these are solutions for problems that we created
>better pain killers.
I dunno man, i bet they had some wicked drugs back then!
>Buy brick laying machine for $12,000
>It breaks down after a couple of months of running hard in 100+ degree weather
>Have to ship it off to get fixed
>Down a brick layer for that time
>Finally get it back after paying $3,000 for the repairs
or
>Give Jose a call
>Tell him I'll pay him and his 4 young adult sons $10 an hour to lay my bricks
>Just as efficient as the robot
>Much cheaper than the robot
>Unlike the robot, if they die then I can easily replace them
5 people, $10 an hour, 40 hour weeks, 8 weeks
5 x 10 x 40 x 8 = $16,000
machine, repairs
$12,000 + $3,000 = $15,000
so it's actually a bit more expensive to hire Jose in your hypothetical, plus at the end of the machine scenario, you still have the $12,000 machine
You're forgetting the weeks you're out of a brick laying machine while it's down you goddamn illiterate moron
but the machine is as fast as a single worker, so 5 workers and it won't take the whole 8 weeks to do the same amount of work moron
if you take out the initial $12,000 dollar cost (because you get to keep the machine for the next jobs, after the repairs) it's $3,000 dollars only over that period, so it still beats Jose if you build up to owning five whilst you fire Jose's sons one by one
So higher investment, lower long term prices
This might factor in too
I had a look for other bricklaying robots and it looks like there's one that claims it can lay at 3x the rate of a human worker, but I didn't bother to find out the prices, these numbers we've been talking about are all pulled out of thin air anyway, who's to say it will break once every two months? or that it will cost $3k? it could be more or less
why are you so mad by the way?
The cost of a robotics technician probably costs as much as 3 Jose and a Juan
maybe
as I say, all the numbers we're dealing with are pulled out of thin air by the first guy I replied to
if i had to guess, i'd say it's more likely they rent you out the robot rather than directly sell it and include the service costs in that, but I am guessing
what caused it to be slightly off?
I was at the presentation but was not working at that project.
From what I was told and remember (it was about 2 years ago) it had to do with the equipment that the machine used to determine where it was on the 'map'.
Like with VR there are multiple stands placed on the site which the operator coordinates.
Either he did it wrong, the stands moved due to vibration or the machine lost connection or whatever
There's also no way this machine is going to cost anything like $12k.
You can get a mill and steal the design for $1000.
I remember Hilti giving a presentation of a machine that would drill holes in the ceiling for this big project we were on.
Very impressive, only needed a single operator and correct drawings, working laser etc.
We went with it and it turns out it drilled slightly off so none of it could be used. All that time wasted and now we still had to drill the holes ourself and got into trouble with other work that relied on those holes being drilled on time.
That's my one and only experience with these 'work saving' machines. Very impressive.
Nobody realizes that the entire site has to cleaned, levelled, and robot-proofed before they even get lifted on-site.
But by that time the actual worker is already done.
It’s like the roomba. It does a shitt job, you have to roomba-proof your apartment, you have to keep checking it to make sure it didn’t lock itself in the bathroom again, and you have to keep cleaning that tiny dust storage bin, and unwinding hairs out of the wheels and brushes.
It’s both 10x worse and 10x slower than just vacuuming manually.
Yes that as well. In construction you have people from different companies working beside each other. With this one you had to get them all of the floor to do it.
They wow you at first with the tablet, lasers and robot but when you think about how you have to hire someone to do this and he has to go site to site to drill these holes it's ridiculous.
Let the apprentice do it faster and he learns something from it
Writings on the wall, automation will happen. Thankfully they’re at such an abysmally pathetic starting point with so many hurdles to overcome it’s unlikely that you would see anything viable, let alone cost effective, for decades.
At best automation of most trades is something to worry about for people like 50-100 years from now. Sucks if you were really desperate to see your great grandchildren take over the family business, I guess. They’ll probably be too focused on the water wars to care though
they do that right now, they just import immigrants. this is why white collar workers saying immigrants welcome made blue collar workers hate them.
>Go on reddit Carpentry sub for some reason. >Stumble into thread about illegal immigrant labor.
> homosexuals saying that their is still a huge labor shortage and housing backlog and its good for the economy.
> While dipshit makes $14 an hour to nail stick frame houses together in the heat while listening to the unending drone of tejano.
>gets to a window or door
>unable to lay bricks until a professional stands the frames
>unable to place wall ties and tie down straps
>unable to set lintels
This thing only works efficiently for straight solid runs on commercial projects. It still needs to be loaded with bricks and cement constantly and have two people standing around watching it operate. Use robots for areas of construction that are easier to automate, or better yet, actually use technology to innovate a new method of building conducive with automation instead of trying to hamfist it into traditional methods.
yep, this thing is useless. remind me of this fricking thing lmao
>Can go from 'need a wall here' to properly specced brickwork
Your job is safe
>boss sez put brick here, I pile brick
Oh no! Anyway.
>the jose model juan