>To understand the difference between Soviet and Western technology:
>- This vehicle withstand 3 mines until it stopped. The personnel is contused, but all alive.
>On the 3rd mine, I could no longer move... The mine trawl tank broke after the first one.
>By the way, it can also do that https://files.catbox.moe/mtm46g.mp4
>- Can you show state of wheels?
>- Sometime later
https://twitter.com/trakiUA/status/1668583824509353984
They really had to rub it in that their amphibious features actually work unlike the Russian ones.
>3 mines
>3 wheels on each side
Does this mean the AMV and Rosomak can take at least 4 before stopping?
There are a lot of fancy tales resulting from the fact that "mine" in russian can refer to a mortar bomb.
Someone asked about that in the replies and he linked images of anti-tank mines.
The original says "тмки", where "тм" refers to TM-62 and "-ки" is a sort of informal plural suffix
i might be moronic is this a 3x3 VAB ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi
thanks, couldnt tell from the side, thought it was too long to be a vab
>Finntech is considered Western tech
Even with them in NATO now, this still feels odd.
One of ours drove over a IED in iraq and 2 lads got killed.
well thats depressing
hope your doing okay
It was in afghan my mistake and you can see the pasi around 1h:15min
Did the front crack off?
IED are frightening
IEDs can be much more powerful than mines.
There were ones that would rip MRAPs apart
My uncle was driving second HMMWV in a convoy in Iraq when the lead truck hit an IED, and even 15-20 feet back it turned his truck on its side, blew out both his eardrums, and launched the gunner out of the cupola into a ditch on the side of the road.
Lead truck quite literally got torn in half, I think the whole crew died.
Fricking things could be way stronger than an AT mine, just depends what they had on hand and who put it together I guess.
>Fricking things could be way stronger than an AT mine
You can stack AT mines if you want to.
There's nothing inherently different between them, mines are essentially just industrialized IEDs. Burgers shit their pants over IEDs because that's what they met the most fighting goatfrickers, shitskins used them the most because they didn't had the access to industrial mine production.
Claiming that IEDs are somehow worse than mines is just plain moronic, mines are the same shit but much more of it.
industrialization brings standardization, IEDs can range widely in explosive power and effectiveness precisely because they are made bespoke by goat herders
If your mine doesn't have enough boom, you can just put another one under it, or some explosives. No bespoke making necessary.
I meant in the sense of them being extremely unpredictable
>IEDs can range widely in explosive power and effectiveness
Again, AT mine is just a 10kg of explosives packed into convenient container. If you want stronger explosion you just stack two, three, five or ten mines together. Your argument is just an extremely low iq urban legend.
I'm not saying they are stronger than mines by design
Mines are the generic FMJ of buried bombs. IEDs are bubba's pissin' hot AP handloads.
But in practice many IEDs in the sandbox were much more powerful than mines in common minelaying patterns, because minelaying is designed to deny an wide area to the enemy, whereas IEDs are for making absolutely sure that the poor frick who triggers them is a thin red paste, so they were designed for massive overkill.
You would know this if you weren't spending so much time being an autistic moron with your "muh explosives", "uhm acktually they're the same..." bullshit.
>Verification not required
>There's nothing inherently different between them
But in practical usage there's a lot different. The average zogbot in mud hut land IEDs were: a string of 4-6x 155mm artillery shells, a shotgun of 1-6x 200mm dia EFPs, a 25lb jug of explosives, or a buried heavy blast of ~500-2000lb explosives.
The Afghan HME jug was basically a shitty AT mine used with a low/no metal antipersonnel fuze in an antipersonnel role, but the rest were all significantly bigger and deadlier than the average doublestacked AT mine.
The triple 152mm HE warhead IED was a favorite design for a time.
80's fingol APC tech superior to anything russia ever produced
uguu
>It drove over the first mine.
>Land mine explode, kills the mine.
>It drove over the second mine.
>Land mine dies.
>It drove over the second mine.
>Fail to explode, but it succeed stabbing the tires with a screw
Ok, we need to fix the tire
One of these was also identified as a "Bradley" by a Russian Ka-52.
Not as a Leopard 2? Genuinely surprising.
they're both asian so?
It's quite a well distributed vehicle in terms of weight. The wheels are quite spaced, which is great against mines, and the hull is pretty much off the ground perfectly in a V shape.
It's a vehicle ahead of its time.
The designers just anticipated Russian mine spam.
Don't know about you guys but I love this design aesthetic of this apc where it's between simple yet also modern. There has to be a name for this type of aesthetic.
Same energy.
Love this lil’ guy like you wouldn’t believe.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi
That thing looks ultra-based to rebuild into an RV
Wow, totally can't believe a slav design actually works in a real war that isn't about gunning down goat farmers
>Finns
>slav
moron.
>Ukies are whites!!!!
>East Slavic culture area
Are you genuinely so moronic that you can't even read a fricking map? Or alternatively, are you so fricking ignorant of basic geography that you can't even find Finland?
Here's a hint either way:
>West Finno-Permian culture area
He's talking about Ukraine
Literally nobody outside of /misc/ gives a frick
like genuinely, what the frick did you even mean by that
Buy the updated version goy.
we might, to replace the Fuchs
For me, it's the white Pasis on UN duty. What a beauty.
When did it become acceptable to spam links and especially frickin' tweets on PrepHole? I miss the day of aggressive URL automodding.
So western Tech is actually wunderwaffe and it took 200 shells for russhits to blow up the leopard (entire crew survived).
Its over for ziggers. They shill it so hard not mentioning that it took their everything to break down (until its repaired) one single leo
One of the many fascinating aspects of this war is that it's both a live fire test for a medley of Western equipment, but also an experience in handing an army used to mediocre material items of higher quality. So far Ukrainians seem broadly satisfied, e.g.
PzH2000
>Porche to the Msta-S's Lada
M113
>Reliable, easy to use and fix, there's a kajillion of them
Leopard II
>The armor works, the gun works, they want more of them
Will be interesting to see their reports on the Leopard I when those arrive
I think the Leo 1 will actually perform a lot better than people would expect. Good FCS, a decent gun, and it can pretty much laugh at auto-cannon fire because though its armor is poor against missiles and cannons, autocannons are a joke for it.