It's the Ship Citadel. The areas right below the main guns and smoke stack are usually full of boilers, ammo storage, machine shops, and fuel tanks. The Citadel usually gets extra armor but when it does take a piercing hit it usually causes secondary explosions and fire.
Then when going after Yamato, the planes tried to focus all the torpedoes onto one side. To the point the Yamato was trying to turn the other side into incoming torps to even out the flooding.
https://i.imgur.com/ypWNhFk.jpg
Wash mommy-dommed Kirishima.
212 losses is surprisingly low for a large IJN warship.
They managed to evac to destroyers. By the time the Kirishima sunk nobody was left aboard.
It is weird that there were so few casualties from gunfire but then there's rarely many casualties from gunfire. The HMS Warspite tanked a good portion of the Imperial German fleet and had maybe 30 casualties total.
The fun bit was that the USN had a bit of a spittake moment afterwards, wondering how the frick the Japanese built that monster that it took NINETEEN torpedos to sink.
The fun bit was that the USN had a bit of a spittake moment afterwards, wondering how the frick the Japanese built that monster that it took NINETEEN torpedos to sink.
tbf she wasn't fully finished at that point, one of the more important parts was a lack of watertight sealing between compartments.
Having a captain operating on Nippon stronk didn't help matters either.
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>Having a captain operating on Nippon stronk
Yamamoto was the only Nip officer who DIDN'T operate on "Nippon stronk."
3 months ago
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Shimnano's decisions in this action were really, really bad.
3 months ago
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Bismark wasn't doing to hot by the end of it's North Atlantic gang bang. >all told, King George V, Rodney, Dorsetshire and Norfolk collectively fired some 2,800 shells, scoring around 400 hits
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The last torpedoes to hit Bismarck detonated against the superstructure, because ship had already sunk that low in the water, but the RN kept shooting.
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One of the most brutal hits a warship took was Rodney punting a 16in shell through the side of Bismarck's conning tower and out the other side.
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https://i.imgur.com/GuDSutK.jpg
HEY LÜTJENS, HEY LINDERMANN
CATCH
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There is plenty of people who thought they were worthless. Mostly just extra weight. Even if the armor isn't penetrated, would you survive inside of a armored box like that or would the concussion shatter every bone in your body?
Another brutal hit against Bismark was a 16 inch shell right down the hatch 200 sailors were using to disembark the doomed ship.
>all those torps
Are those the infamously shitty american torpedoes at work?
It wasn't necessarily that it took all those torpedoes and bombs to kill it. The USN wanted it DEAD. They wanted the very concept of the Yamato to be removed from the ocean.
It was the naval equivalent of "stabbed 87 times".
Well she was threatening the invasion of Okinawa, but more importantly, Spruance wanted to square off with an old-fashioned battleship duel and Mitscher was having none of it. With several battleships racing to face Yamato, he wanted to definitively settle once and for all that air power was the decisive arm of the Navy.
I'd imagine part of it was also "let's not risk an entire battleship and thousands of sailors' lives so some dumbfrick can have a COD 1v1 to show how big his dick is".
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A little, but a lot of it was aviation wanting to prove itself. You have to remember, even when the war ended the USN kept the Iowas, SoDaks, and North Carolinas on the rolls for a few years and even kept building Kentucky. Even then, they didn't scrap them until the 60s.
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>they didn't scrap them until the 60s
because aviation was not all-weather until the A-6 Intruder and Blackburn Buccaneer
the moment those jets hit the deck the battleships were retired
Akagi was built much lighter than Yamato, plus the 1000lb bomb hit in pretty much the perfect location to cause max damage both to the ship and damage control systems. The hangars were also packed with aircraft and ordnance so that helped turn her into a firetrap
>Dick Best
Sometimes Fate itself makes a comedy at the expense of those that it screws over.
3 months ago
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at least he's not dick bong
3 months ago
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>Dick Winters >Dick Bong >Dick Best
We really gave the Axis a good Dicking.
3 months ago
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I'm still waiting for one of the Azur Lane or Kancolle carrier girls in a "Don't be a dick" shirt.
3 months ago
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Best, Dick nailed two carriers in that battle
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you Americans like to worship singular heroes and ignore the ones who died to make it happen
Waldron et al opened the door for Richard Best and his wingmen, never forget
3 months ago
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It's better to be lucky than good
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>Waldron et al
They didn't have funny names. VT-8 is famous.
It's better to be lucky than good
Waldron and Best are famous because they knew what they were doing.
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VT-8 began its attack at roughly 0920 heading west-southwest with just a single aircraft dropping its torpedo at Soryuu around 0925-0930. The real contribution that VT-8 did wasn't draw the CAP fighters down so the SBDs of VB-3, VB-6, and VS-6 could hit the Jap carriers, it was to force them out of the wind and head west. The time difference between VT-8's attack starting and the dive bombers was over 40 minutes, so the A6Ms had more than enough time to get back to altitude. From Parshall's Shattered Sword page 227:
"Indeed, the Japanese CAP's problem was not an inability to compensate vertically so much as its inability to react to the lateral distortions that were now being thrust on it. It had simply been pulled in too many directions in the past hour - northeast (VT-8), south-southwest (VT-6), and now southeast (VT-3/VF-3)."
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>Parshall's
Craig L Symonds draws from a wider range of sources >It had simply been pulled in too many directions in the past hour
and run short of ammo
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Parshall uses the surviving Japanese records in addition to US ones. Not exactly going to get more direct than that.
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there is also value in reviewing the analysis of others
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which everyone outside Japan did before Shattered Sword.
I want Senshi Sosho translated.
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I feel Symonds improves on the whole by synthesising Parshall and Tully, who brought new focus on the Japanese side of the battle, with that of other accounts
what I'd like is a similar analysis of the other four major carrier battles of the Pacific
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The First Team books kinda do; Lindstrom also uses Japanese sources.
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Waldron has been famous for 80 years, Best since the late 90s.
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Is there a reason they attacked that portion of the flight deck?
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convenient target
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kek
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not even a joke, Dick Best himself said he was aiming exactly for "the big meatball" in the middle of the flight deck
Carriers are usually full of gasoline and ammo, in much less armored places than a battleship. Most carrier losses in WW2 were caused by fires and/or explosions.
What happens when a battleship gets hit where the ammo is stored, you can see on Hood, Arizona or Roma. Not much different to what happens to a carrier.
>Fricking how! >Akagi took fricking one hit
Anon, she took 4 torpedoes afterwards in order to be scuttled, at that point they weren't trying to save the ship anymore as it would have been pointless, that was not the case for Yamato and Musashi, they fought to the very end.
>Anon, she took 4 torpedoes afterwards in order to be scuttled, at that point they weren't trying to save the ship anymore as it would have been pointless
That is being done for after taking one hit.
>that was not the case for Yamato and Musashi, they fought to the very end.
And Akagi didn't? They fought for several hours to save the ship, Yamato was done in relatively quickly.
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I was assuming you were referring to the amount of damage Akagi took compared to the Yamatos, was that not the case?
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Not the anon who asked. The first response actually had some comparison of the three and others already embellished. Your comparison was only based on the damage forcing the Akagi to be scuttled instead of being sunk and both could fit under the vague description of being done for.
Best diverted to Akagi before any bombs hit Kaga. He saw that McClusky (the n00b CO) did not know target selection doctrine (which group attacks which target) and went for the 2nd group's target- which the 2nd group was correctly attacking.
I'm mad Best was medical'ed out after this while Hornet CAG Ring was eventually promoted.
>One is a partially wood decked box with a paper thin hull and filled with shit tons of smaller craft with attendant fuel and explosives scattered all over the damn place >The other is a floating slab of steel designed to get hammered by an entire fleet whilst returning fire, and winning
https://i.imgur.com/1KuQmVO.png
Akagi was built much lighter than Yamato, plus the 1000lb bomb hit in pretty much the perfect location to cause max damage both to the ship and damage control systems. The hangars were also packed with aircraft and ordnance so that helped turn her into a firetrap
Am I remembering wrong or was it one of the Midway carriers that had a massive aviation fuel spillage which the fire control teams responded to by maxing out the ventilation, thus spreading explosive fumes all over the fricking thing?
The attack on Musashi came from both sides, as such they were working against themselves by performing counter flooding for Musashi. They learned from their mistake and only attacked Yamato from one side.
Fricking how! Akagi took fricking one hit and she was fricking done for? How is that even possible!?
Difference between a carrier and a battleship. Placement has more to do with it though.
The Mark 14 was fixed by mid to late 1943, and the Mark 13 had its issues solved in 1944.
No, actually. Just the effects of aerial torpedoes against a deep ass TDS
Yamato's TDS was actually quite shallow for her beam at only 17 feet (The Iowas for example, had a TDS depth of 17.9 feet) while also having a massive weak connection in the form of how the lower belt was riveted into the upper main belt. The ships lasted as long as they did due to sheer displacement, reserve buoyancy, and fairly decent subdivision.
it's more like "my mom literally obliterated your mom - it wasn't hypothetical"
us being Boat Buddies with Japan now is very satisfying, though. ships named Yamato and Enterprise on the same side in a conflict really activates my neurons
ironbottom Sound sounded cool as hell so I googled where the name came from and its even cooler now after finding out it got its name from the sheer amount of ships that sank there
Took a torpedo right to the keel just ahead of the first turret, and after they got the turret bulkhead made fast, they just cut the bow off. The yard at Mare Island had a new bow ready before she could limp there across the Pacific, and she was back in service by August of 43.
Not in Iron Bottom Sound I don't think but they've been ripping up a lot of the easier to reach wrecks. HMS Exeter for example is nothing more than a discoloured depression in the seadbed where a ship should be, along with USS Perch, HNLMS De Ruyter and others. More recently they were caught red handed pulling apart HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse. The low-background steel thing is largely exaggerated though since not only have background radiation levels dropped dramatically, it's also possible to produce suitable steel for medical equipment and such now anyway, the demand has dropped massively. What they're mostly after is general high quality scrap steel as well as copper and other metals from wiring, boilers, condensers and such. That's where the real money is at these days.
So it's not even for super rare meme steel that can only be found on shipwrecks, but rather it's just for frickin' copper wiring? Jesus
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yes
I make no excuse for the chinks, but the salvaging was actually begun by Indonesian / Papuan divers, this is an incredibly poor region and they can actually eke out a modicum of a living this way
how do they do it? freediving, no shit. think pearl divers, but for salvaged metal
no doubt it would have been better to pay them to guard the wrecks, but since none of the governments whose ships they are bothered to do so, I don't begrudge these poor people the stuff
it was only sometime later that companies with dredgers came into the picture. those guys, frick em
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Yeah, it's a rough situation for those locals doing the salvage work just to get by. Chinks somehow manage to make the worst out of any somewhat sympathetic situation however.
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>it was only sometime later that companies with dredgers came into the picture. those guys, frick em
It'd be a crying shame if some of that well degraded ammunition and propellant they brought up along with the rest of the mangled ship decided to have a little moment not long after being loaded onboard, wouldn't it
If you want low-background radiation steel it's better to go after the Scuttled Imperial German Navy. There's ten thousand ton warships just sitting at the bottom of Scapa Flow as a giant Frick You to the Triple Entente.
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/81808697 (AL) >https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93339852 (KC)
its a shame battle scenarios turned into a bedroom scene are somewhat rare
>this fanboy
frick King, if not for him the Second Happy Time would never have been
>all those torps
Are those the infamously shitty american torpedoes at work?
they're thicc ships
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King's biggest flaw was hating the British, and for that I can't blame him
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no, he was just an ornery bastard, the kind who believe that they can bully and shout anyone down and will only back off when they meet someone willing to call them out on their bullshit, as Cunningham did to King
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and he managed to tard wrangle the ordnance department exactly because of that
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Not sure the merchant marine would agree that it was a strictly necessary tradeoff.
3 months ago
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not sure that your mom was worth it but you know, that's life
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>fanboying this hard
sad
3 months ago
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listen bro your mom was the one fanboying earlier not sure what you're talking about
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>REEE DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS moronic ADMIRAL KING YOUR MOM YOUR MOM YOUR MOM
you do realize he would've probably chewed up and spat out a sad sack like you?
what a simp
3 months ago
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you seem upset, did it hurt that much to learn about your mother?
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>t. british
>NO I'M NOT UPSET YOU ARE!!1!
right, right, that's why you got so triggered so fast lol
by the way, your hero King would've done frick-all about the torpedoes if not for Lockwood, who also operationally unfricked the US submarine service.
3 months ago
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my caps lock key remains untouched, can you say the same?
3 months ago
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>no argument
3 months ago
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I'm not here to argue, just make fun of angry morons
3 months ago
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I accept your concession
3 months ago
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he's upsetti spaghetti
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>angry morons
So, (You).
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>t. british
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SubPac had to find all of the problems and solve 2 before King thought there was a problem.
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King's biggest flaw was thinking he was always right.
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Post it on /b/ instead then do not link but mention it's posted.
Cape Matapan must have been equally horrifying for those on the receiving end. I imagine it takes a fair bit of force to rip an 8" turret completely out of its mounting and carry it away from the cruiser it previously called home.
Jesus imagine being the guy with the logbook whose job is to write down where all your shells hit, and which type and hope your ship isn’t sunk rendering the entire ordeal pointless
That reminds me: apparently during the Battle of the Denmark Strait, Bismarck's crew was documenting it all through writing and photography/video. All of it lost when Bismarck later tried to launch one of the Arado floatplanes to preserve it and instead had to toss it overboard when the catapult wasn't working.
Unfortunately the only really really high-res photo of Warspite I think I have at the moment is this one; HMS Warspite off Le Havre bombarding German gun positions in support of the Sword Beach landings, 6th June 1944 - https://files.catbox.moe/xxp22u.jpg
>6 8 9 16 19 17
Is this some world of warships humor that I'm too straight to understand
>moron doesn't know where important machinery and magazines are located
They're ammo caches and other important highly explosive locations on the ship.
It's the Ship Citadel. The areas right below the main guns and smoke stack are usually full of boilers, ammo storage, machine shops, and fuel tanks. The Citadel usually gets extra armor but when it does take a piercing hit it usually causes secondary explosions and fire.
damn wash was not gentle with her
>straight through the middle of the rudder just to flex
How's his wife holding up?
To shreds, you say?
Bratty Kirishima bullied Dakota; got "corrected" by Washington.
Frick around and find out
>Picture the twitching post gangbang Kirishima
/k/eddit moment
Imagine...
5 inch AP round plucking an airborne scout plane out of the sky.
>Someone's been channeling his inner Davy Crockett
Why imagine when reality is far more fun?
Then when going after Yamato, the planes tried to focus all the torpedoes onto one side. To the point the Yamato was trying to turn the other side into incoming torps to even out the flooding.
212 losses is surprisingly low for a large IJN warship.
They managed to evac to destroyers. By the time the Kirishima sunk nobody was left aboard.
It is weird that there were so few casualties from gunfire but then there's rarely many casualties from gunfire. The HMS Warspite tanked a good portion of the Imperial German fleet and had maybe 30 casualties total.
usually casualties happen due to secondary explosions and given all the magazines were flooded that didn't happen
Damn son!
EHHHHH SEX?!
>INTERPID
Damn Essex really wanted that ship fricking dead.
Because 11 carriers sinking a BB is less cool than 1 BB killing 1 BB.
And Kirishima only managed 3 hits on SoDak. 1 dented Barbette 3, the others holed some sheet metal.
The fun bit was that the USN had a bit of a spittake moment afterwards, wondering how the frick the Japanese built that monster that it took NINETEEN torpedos to sink.
It took a while before ONI realized the actual size, but they had sunk Musashi the previous year.
Meanwhile, the Shinano...
One of my favorite pictures of Bismarck
tbf she wasn't fully finished at that point, one of the more important parts was a lack of watertight sealing between compartments.
Having a captain operating on Nippon stronk didn't help matters either.
>Having a captain operating on Nippon stronk
Yamamoto was the only Nip officer who DIDN'T operate on "Nippon stronk."
Shimnano's decisions in this action were really, really bad.
Bismark wasn't doing to hot by the end of it's North Atlantic gang bang.
>all told, King George V, Rodney, Dorsetshire and Norfolk collectively fired some 2,800 shells, scoring around 400 hits
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The last torpedoes to hit Bismarck detonated against the superstructure, because ship had already sunk that low in the water, but the RN kept shooting.
One of the most brutal hits a warship took was Rodney punting a 16in shell through the side of Bismarck's conning tower and out the other side.
HEY LÜTJENS, HEY LINDERMANN
CATCH
There is plenty of people who thought they were worthless. Mostly just extra weight. Even if the armor isn't penetrated, would you survive inside of a armored box like that or would the concussion shatter every bone in your body?
Another brutal hit against Bismark was a 16 inch shell right down the hatch 200 sailors were using to disembark the doomed ship.
Spalling was the hazard, not concussion.
It wasn't necessarily that it took all those torpedoes and bombs to kill it. The USN wanted it DEAD. They wanted the very concept of the Yamato to be removed from the ocean.
It was the naval equivalent of "stabbed 87 times".
this, the Yam and Musashi were the pride of the IJN, sinking them were massive morale blows for the Jap Navy
Well she was threatening the invasion of Okinawa, but more importantly, Spruance wanted to square off with an old-fashioned battleship duel and Mitscher was having none of it. With several battleships racing to face Yamato, he wanted to definitively settle once and for all that air power was the decisive arm of the Navy.
I'd imagine part of it was also "let's not risk an entire battleship and thousands of sailors' lives so some dumbfrick can have a COD 1v1 to show how big his dick is".
A little, but a lot of it was aviation wanting to prove itself. You have to remember, even when the war ended the USN kept the Iowas, SoDaks, and North Carolinas on the rolls for a few years and even kept building Kentucky. Even then, they didn't scrap them until the 60s.
>they didn't scrap them until the 60s
because aviation was not all-weather until the A-6 Intruder and Blackburn Buccaneer
the moment those jets hit the deck the battleships were retired
Yamato took 11 torpedoes and 6 bombs, Musashi took roughly 19 torpedoes and 17 bombs.
Shinano took four torps and the rage-fueled willpower of Admiral King forcing them to function properly.
To be fair by that point in the war, the Mark 14 actually worked.
Only by King's autistic rage.
And that one submarine captain that got cucked out of a 20k ton whaling ship kill
King was slow to believe.
Fricking how! Akagi took fricking one hit and she was fricking done for? How is that even possible!?
Akagi was built much lighter than Yamato, plus the 1000lb bomb hit in pretty much the perfect location to cause max damage both to the ship and damage control systems. The hangars were also packed with aircraft and ordnance so that helped turn her into a firetrap
>Dick Best
Sometimes Fate itself makes a comedy at the expense of those that it screws over.
at least he's not dick bong
>Dick Winters
>Dick Bong
>Dick Best
We really gave the Axis a good Dicking.
I'm still waiting for one of the Azur Lane or Kancolle carrier girls in a "Don't be a dick" shirt.
Best, Dick nailed two carriers in that battle
you Americans like to worship singular heroes and ignore the ones who died to make it happen
Waldron et al opened the door for Richard Best and his wingmen, never forget
It's better to be lucky than good
>Waldron et al
They didn't have funny names. VT-8 is famous.
Waldron and Best are famous because they knew what they were doing.
VT-8 began its attack at roughly 0920 heading west-southwest with just a single aircraft dropping its torpedo at Soryuu around 0925-0930. The real contribution that VT-8 did wasn't draw the CAP fighters down so the SBDs of VB-3, VB-6, and VS-6 could hit the Jap carriers, it was to force them out of the wind and head west. The time difference between VT-8's attack starting and the dive bombers was over 40 minutes, so the A6Ms had more than enough time to get back to altitude. From Parshall's Shattered Sword page 227:
"Indeed, the Japanese CAP's problem was not an inability to compensate vertically so much as its inability to react to the lateral distortions that were now being thrust on it. It had simply been pulled in too many directions in the past hour - northeast (VT-8), south-southwest (VT-6), and now southeast (VT-3/VF-3)."
>Parshall's
Craig L Symonds draws from a wider range of sources
>It had simply been pulled in too many directions in the past hour
and run short of ammo
Parshall uses the surviving Japanese records in addition to US ones. Not exactly going to get more direct than that.
there is also value in reviewing the analysis of others
which everyone outside Japan did before Shattered Sword.
I want Senshi Sosho translated.
I feel Symonds improves on the whole by synthesising Parshall and Tully, who brought new focus on the Japanese side of the battle, with that of other accounts
what I'd like is a similar analysis of the other four major carrier battles of the Pacific
The First Team books kinda do; Lindstrom also uses Japanese sources.
Waldron has been famous for 80 years, Best since the late 90s.
Is there a reason they attacked that portion of the flight deck?
convenient target
kek
not even a joke, Dick Best himself said he was aiming exactly for "the big meatball" in the middle of the flight deck
not really
it was hard enough hitting the carrier
The aft near miss apparently jammed the rudder, which didn't help.
The additional bombs, torpedo warheads, and fuel in the enclosed hangars helped.
Akagi's hanger was full of fueled up planes and munitions that were being fitted to the planes. The bomb basically started a chain reaction.
Yamato and Musashi are the two largest battleships ever built
in addition to what others have said, Akagi was armoured like a heavy cruiser
Carriers are usually full of gasoline and ammo, in much less armored places than a battleship. Most carrier losses in WW2 were caused by fires and/or explosions.
What happens when a battleship gets hit where the ammo is stored, you can see on Hood, Arizona or Roma. Not much different to what happens to a carrier.
Sometimes it's just hard to kill a ship.
Averted detonation at Dogger Bank. Held on just long enough after Jutland to sink at the pier. Seydlitz was a very tough and lucky ship.
Do you literally know NOTHING about Midway, my dude?
>Fricking how!
>Akagi took fricking one hit
Anon, she took 4 torpedoes afterwards in order to be scuttled, at that point they weren't trying to save the ship anymore as it would have been pointless, that was not the case for Yamato and Musashi, they fought to the very end.
>Anon, she took 4 torpedoes afterwards in order to be scuttled, at that point they weren't trying to save the ship anymore as it would have been pointless
That is being done for after taking one hit.
>that was not the case for Yamato and Musashi, they fought to the very end.
And Akagi didn't? They fought for several hours to save the ship, Yamato was done in relatively quickly.
I was assuming you were referring to the amount of damage Akagi took compared to the Yamatos, was that not the case?
Not the anon who asked. The first response actually had some comparison of the three and others already embellished. Your comparison was only based on the damage forcing the Akagi to be scuttled instead of being sunk and both could fit under the vague description of being done for.
Best diverted to Akagi before any bombs hit Kaga. He saw that McClusky (the n00b CO) did not know target selection doctrine (which group attacks which target) and went for the 2nd group's target- which the 2nd group was correctly attacking.
I'm mad Best was medical'ed out after this while Hornet CAG Ring was eventually promoted.
>One is a partially wood decked box with a paper thin hull and filled with shit tons of smaller craft with attendant fuel and explosives scattered all over the damn place
>The other is a floating slab of steel designed to get hammered by an entire fleet whilst returning fire, and winning
Am I remembering wrong or was it one of the Midway carriers that had a massive aviation fuel spillage which the fire control teams responded to by maxing out the ventilation, thus spreading explosive fumes all over the fricking thing?
I think that was taiho at philippine sea
The attack on Musashi came from both sides, as such they were working against themselves by performing counter flooding for Musashi. They learned from their mistake and only attacked Yamato from one side.
Difference between a carrier and a battleship. Placement has more to do with it though.
>all those torps
Are those the infamously shitty american torpedoes at work?
No, actually. Just the effects of aerial torpedoes against a deep ass TDS
The Mark 14 was fixed by mid to late 1943, and the Mark 13 had its issues solved in 1944.
Yamato's TDS was actually quite shallow for her beam at only 17 feet (The Iowas for example, had a TDS depth of 17.9 feet) while also having a massive weak connection in the form of how the lower belt was riveted into the upper main belt. The ships lasted as long as they did due to sheer displacement, reserve buoyancy, and fairly decent subdivision.
Do you know how fricking big a battleship is? Takes a long ass time to fill with water unless you blow it in half.
no that's just the power of a full strike from 11 fleet carriers all gunning for the biggest game in town
no such thing as overkill
>"it will take at least 4 of you to throw me out of this bar!"
>k we'll use 18
average battleship game in world of warships these days
Even Bataan was gettin some shot in.
what a cute boy (female)
She does her best...she just made the mistake of hanging out with North Carolina.
Damn Essex
>11" belt armor
>engaged at basically point-blank range
It was over before it began.
Wash could punch through Kirishima at maximum range. There was never a chance.
>pagoda getting raped like that
Whew lads.
Bad battleships get correction!
Wash mommy-dommed Kirishima.
"my dad could beat up your dad"
it's more like "my mom literally obliterated your mom - it wasn't hypothetical"
us being Boat Buddies with Japan now is very satisfying, though. ships named Yamato and Enterprise on the same side in a conflict really activates my neurons
ironbottom Sound sounded cool as hell so I googled where the name came from and its even cooler now after finding out it got its name from the sheer amount of ships that sank there
>bow of USS Minneapolis (CA-36)
kek
>the front fell off
Took a torpedo right to the keel just ahead of the first turret, and after they got the turret bulkhead made fast, they just cut the bow off. The yard at Mare Island had a new bow ready before she could limp there across the Pacific, and she was back in service by August of 43.
American logistics is that kid on the playground who says "Well I have infinity power!!!" but somehow he actually does.
You're goddamned right. A base has three people in it. A Captain, a Master Chief, and an LS. Everybody else is just sightseeing.
The USA lost more sailors died opposing the Japanese at sea than Marines and soldiers ashore.
The Skeleton Coast off of Africa is another cool area named for wreckes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Coast
Hasn't china been actively dredging these ships up and mulching them for non-irradiated steel to make particle accelerators and shit with.
Not in Iron Bottom Sound I don't think but they've been ripping up a lot of the easier to reach wrecks. HMS Exeter for example is nothing more than a discoloured depression in the seadbed where a ship should be, along with USS Perch, HNLMS De Ruyter and others. More recently they were caught red handed pulling apart HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse. The low-background steel thing is largely exaggerated though since not only have background radiation levels dropped dramatically, it's also possible to produce suitable steel for medical equipment and such now anyway, the demand has dropped massively. What they're mostly after is general high quality scrap steel as well as copper and other metals from wiring, boilers, condensers and such. That's where the real money is at these days.
So it's not even for super rare meme steel that can only be found on shipwrecks, but rather it's just for frickin' copper wiring? Jesus
yes
I make no excuse for the chinks, but the salvaging was actually begun by Indonesian / Papuan divers, this is an incredibly poor region and they can actually eke out a modicum of a living this way
how do they do it? freediving, no shit. think pearl divers, but for salvaged metal
no doubt it would have been better to pay them to guard the wrecks, but since none of the governments whose ships they are bothered to do so, I don't begrudge these poor people the stuff
it was only sometime later that companies with dredgers came into the picture. those guys, frick em
Yeah, it's a rough situation for those locals doing the salvage work just to get by. Chinks somehow manage to make the worst out of any somewhat sympathetic situation however.
>it was only sometime later that companies with dredgers came into the picture. those guys, frick em
It'd be a crying shame if some of that well degraded ammunition and propellant they brought up along with the rest of the mangled ship decided to have a little moment not long after being loaded onboard, wouldn't it
Isn't that suggesting that Chinese domestic metal production is so bad that 70 year old wrecks are preferable?
Not any more than that the existence of beggars in the USA suggests that the entire country is poor and destitute
If you want low-background radiation steel it's better to go after the Scuttled Imperial German Navy. There's ten thousand ton warships just sitting at the bottom of Scapa Flow as a giant Frick You to the Triple Entente.
but anon, they're chinks and live an entire continent away from those wrecks
Better than Powerbottom Sound.
>those two pics depicting Kiri getting fricked by wash for both KC and AL
Gonna need a link anon.
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/81808697 (AL)
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93339852 (KC)
its a shame battle scenarios turned into a bedroom scene are somewhat rare
dead links?
no, just don't include the parts that say which franchise
Still need an account. Post them here?
sorry man but I'm not willing to get a vacation for posting lewd anime version of wash fricking kir
haha ok
https://litter.catbox.moe/s3q620.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/u7al2z.png
please stop spoonfeeding tourists
frick you, I'm not joining pixiv for 2 pics.
Thank you.
those pics are on the boorus too.
fricking degens
>sigh
>unzips
>this fanboy
frick King, if not for him the Second Happy Time would never have been
they're thicc ships
King's biggest flaw was hating the British, and for that I can't blame him
no, he was just an ornery bastard, the kind who believe that they can bully and shout anyone down and will only back off when they meet someone willing to call them out on their bullshit, as Cunningham did to King
and he managed to tard wrangle the ordnance department exactly because of that
Not sure the merchant marine would agree that it was a strictly necessary tradeoff.
not sure that your mom was worth it but you know, that's life
>fanboying this hard
sad
listen bro your mom was the one fanboying earlier not sure what you're talking about
>REEE DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS moronic ADMIRAL KING YOUR MOM YOUR MOM YOUR MOM
you do realize he would've probably chewed up and spat out a sad sack like you?
what a simp
you seem upset, did it hurt that much to learn about your mother?
>NO I'M NOT UPSET YOU ARE!!1!
right, right, that's why you got so triggered so fast lol
by the way, your hero King would've done frick-all about the torpedoes if not for Lockwood, who also operationally unfricked the US submarine service.
my caps lock key remains untouched, can you say the same?
>no argument
I'm not here to argue, just make fun of angry morons
I accept your concession
he's upsetti spaghetti
>angry morons
So, (You).
>t. british
SubPac had to find all of the problems and solve 2 before King thought there was a problem.
King's biggest flaw was thinking he was always right.
Post it on /b/ instead then do not link but mention it's posted.
Imagine showing these to one of the survivors.
how many survivors for either bb involved are still around
LINK
NOW
Cape Matapan must have been equally horrifying for those on the receiving end. I imagine it takes a fair bit of force to rip an 8" turret completely out of its mounting and carry it away from the cruiser it previously called home.
Mare Nostrum
"Sink, burn and destroy: Let nothing pass"
we gaan?
>Local old hag battlecruiser gets taken apart by half blind good ol boy.
>Lee'd
Man this battleship took multiple hits no fricking problem! What a beast!
What a champ!
honestly impressive it stayed afloat long enough to take that many 16" hits
Sometimes it takes a couple volleys to put one down, other times, it takes one good shell...
Jesus imagine being the guy with the logbook whose job is to write down where all your shells hit, and which type and hope your ship isn’t sunk rendering the entire ordeal pointless
Most of those were determined from examining the wreck itself.
That reminds me: apparently during the Battle of the Denmark Strait, Bismarck's crew was documenting it all through writing and photography/video. All of it lost when Bismarck later tried to launch one of the Arado floatplanes to preserve it and instead had to toss it overboard when the catapult wasn't working.
iirc the Arado itself was damaged, but yes they tried to send the ship's logs, crypto books, etc back to France
Is she okay?
I'm gonna say it
carriers and naval aviation are cooler than battleships
You can say what you like, it's wrong but you can still say it
I'm just gonna say it
>HMS Warspite is the coolest battleship name
Feels good to have a piece of her teak
that's almost a wallpaper worthy pic
shame about the resolution
Unfortunately the only really really high-res photo of Warspite I think I have at the moment is this one; HMS Warspite off Le Havre bombarding German gun positions in support of the Sword Beach landings, 6th June 1944 - https://files.catbox.moe/xxp22u.jpg