I'm sick of paying 700€+ a month for the sole purpose of existing on this world, it's such a bugman form of existence. I have a normal day job and I earn 2.5k a month but seeing those 700 disappear just like that rubs me in a wrong way.
Im thinking of going voluntarily homeless for a couple of years. I will just register my address at my friends place and get myself pic related for sleeping, a gym membership for showers and shits and a library card to have a place to stay during the days (also might study or something useful during that).
I ran the calculations and I could live off 500 euros a month in a trailer, since I will not have to pay anything except food, laundromats and the memberships. I will not own a car as that is also really bugman type of behaviour, cars around here typically set you back 300 a month. The trailer will be moved by a mover tool/hand.
I will probably live like this until I have build a business that is profitable enough to escape me from the bugman existence, should be doable if I save 24k per year. Plus I would not be distracted by the shit of modern society throws at you since I don't plan to use electronics outside of the library, maybe some rudimentary lights.
Back to topic, any tips fellow PrepHolemen on what to do with the trailer? I need:
> a bed
> a bit of storage
> a way to store valuables
> a way of storing clean water
> a way of staying undercover
Just give me general living trailer ideas I guess. Also it has to be pic related or else I'm gonna be paying hefty fines since the german bugmen police can't have people living outside of designated rent pods™ and it's much easier to go stealth in a trailer that looks like it is not even usable for living.
>get myself pic related for sleeping
>soft side enclosed trailer for sleeping
Yes unironically soft side.
There are barely hard side enclosed ones, and they tend to cost much more for not a lot of benefit. It will be freezing cold anyways, but it shouldnt be worse than winter camping. I will not spend any time inside of that trailer except the nights, since germs like to watch over their streets and report anything to the fitting behörde.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but shouldn't I be good if I go for a sleeping bag that is rated for minus degrees + a stratrgic layering of clothes
Dumb. It would be easier to get a part time job and make an extra $700/month. Living in a trailer isn't easy, it will suck hard.
I cannot get another part time job that is more than 500 legally as I work full time + I value having my time to figure things out more than minimum wageslaving.
It is also a quicker solution than waiting for a wage increase.
Also I know it's gonna suck, but what specifically is gonna suck the most in your opinion?
I'll spell out a few things that will suck
>getting ticketed/tagged when people complain about this random trailer parked outside
>having to be sneaky or otherwise uncomfortable living in your 'home' will be very stressful
>rent prices increasing all over, if you hate it, you wont find a place for $700 it will be more expensive
>not being able to invite people into your home anymore "hey anon, want to come have a beer in my windowless trailer"
>weather, elements, other people in a soft sided trailer
Honestly, you are better off finding a room to rent instead of an apartment for cheaper than the $700 you pay, much nicer than worrying about living in a trailer on the side of the road.
> find a room
There are no cheaper rooms to rent, they all cost approximately that much. My apartment rent was set 3 years ago.
> getting ticketed
I know parking laws, I have to move the trailer a bit once in a while, and I will in a well researched manner because I want to avoid pissing off the neighbors exactly.
That is not a terrible burden.
> not being able to invite people into your home anymore "hey anon, want to come have a beer in my windowless trailer"
I usually don't invite people anyways, and I plan to focus on myself the next few years.
> weather, elements
Thats my primary concern. The weather I have to endure would be mostly the cold, as I firmly believe that the day was not meant to be spent inside of your home. Winter nights would be tough
It sounds like you've put some thought into this Genosse, I say go for it and report back on your success. You could max most of that 700 Euro rent and whatever you're paying on bills back. God speed.
Maybe get the trailer and try living in it for a month while still paying rent to make sure you're happy with it. Since you're not going tk be paying rent on your trailer or whatever
Exactly, I figured im gonna try sub renting my apartment out for a few months and test the waters. If it is doable then I will go permanent
Promise you'll come back afterwards anon. Post updates and prove the haters wrong
There are a million YouTube channels that answer all of your questions better than most people here.
That applies to 95% of the threads in the catalog, what is your point?
I like PrepHole, it seems authentic (also I'm here forever)
>700€+ a month to live like a normal human being
>way too much
>being a smelly, piss-soaked hobo wallowing in his own filth in a trailer for 500 euros a month
>yeah that's the stuff
> being a smelly, piss-soaked hobo wallowing in his own filth
I will wash my clothes just as I do now, I will shower just as I do now, I will brush my teeth just as I do now, why should I become filthy? I am giving up on comfort because I see more potential use for the money, I am not giving up on life.
I barely put value on materialistic things or comfort. In the winter I did not heat my apartment and I showered in the gym just because I liked the thought of saving a couple of euros every month more, and I did not feel like it was a drastic cut into my life. Also warm water became unreasonably expensive because of the US doing some funny shit and Germany having no will on their own.
Pic related is my gas use for this winter, I showered every day after my gym workout
Why not buy a house
Europoor
Why not leave Europe? Otherwise you'll be poor for life.
Where in the heck are you going to park this thing OP?
>euros are so israeliteed they need 500/month just to be homeless
meh it's pretty similar in Canada unless you wanna hang out with fentanyl crowd in Vancouver
t. former homeless
I mean, homeless still have to eat and most have things like a phone bill
>German puts himself in roaming ghetto
Table status: Turned
I spat out my coffee, anon
>sick of paying 700€+ a month for the sole purpose of existing on this world,
>I have a normal day job and I earn 2.5k a month
Now imagine that but making 1.2k as an engineer because some kraut fricking country said we had to have a EU. God I hate you all, I hope Russia drops a nuke on your homosexual asses.
this is such a shitty idea it boggles my mind that you think this is and OK thing to want to do
you need help
Do you have a driving license? Buy a buss and PrepHole it into mobile home, there is plenty of tutorials on youtube
A bus is as expensive as paying rent for a month
But then you'll never have to pay rent again, think about it, anon.
You'd need somewhere to park it permanently
No, in Germany you are allowed to park them outside in normal parking spots if they have active registration (20 Euros a year), you just have to move a few spots over every two weeks (which is not hard to do since I don't plan on having electricity or plumbing, I will just use the gym/library for that).
I am not allowed to live in parking spaces, and it's pretty obvious that someone is living in filename related so they will come checking. It's easier to stay hidden in op pic. Also the trailer you posted will easily set me back 5k, while you can get a normal one for 500 Euros and a bigmac. Putting the bare basics of furniture into a normal trailer won't be 4.5 to offset it
A bus won't fit in a normal parking space, is a bus still OK? Also you should look up videos on YouTube I've seen people build bigger comfier looking trailers themselves for pretty much frick all
Sorry I was not talking about a bus, I mean a trailer. Did not read the referred post
I don't want to pay for living, in fact I don't want to pay for anything except the things that I actively consume.
Call me autistic for that, but I just can't cope with the fact that one day of me simply existing costs one hour of work. One day of me eating food costs another 30 minutes of work. A car is not 300 a month, but 12 hours of work.
Every spoon of rice I eat my brain quantifies in minutes/hours that I have to work at a job I fricking hate every active minute of. I feel emasculated.
I want to escape this hell as fast as possible, and the only way out that I figured is always through some sort of serious capital building.
I will increase my income, I will make more money in the future, but I want to do it as early as possible because I don't want to keep spending a single minute more than needed in the rat race working for the paycheck of someone else. I am 21 now.
I know this thread generally might sound straight up moronic for a lot of people reading here, but I feel dead and trapped.
Life is a game
Money is just points in the game
Start living your life trying to maximize your money in any way possible.
Youve got the right kind of mind for it
Its a doggy dog world, it feels good taking the piece of the pie for yourself
It's "dog eat dog" you fricking tool.
>
You have to work if you want other people's things. The trick is to use as few of those things as possible and work as little as possible in return. Doing this usually means becoming self employed or gaming the system to get your needs met.
are you a homosexual? Just get one of these...
You're profoundly moronic but some people have to find out the hard way, and that's ok. Ventilation will be your best friend in summer. Cut vents into the walls and put solar panels on the ceiling (install a lip around it if you want to hide it) to power dc fans blowing in and out of the vents. This will also give you some shade. A good (not cheap) hooded sleeping bag will get you through winter if you're tough but you will have condensation which will freeze on everything. Take your socks off and let your feet dry out every day or you will get infected. If you have electronics they won't handle summer or winter unless you baby them extremely well. Save gatorade bottles to piss in overnight.
>I'm sick of paying 700€+ a month for the sole purpose of existing on this world, it's such a bugman form of existence. I have a normal day job and I earn 2.5k a month but seeing those 700 disappear just like that rubs me in a wrong way.
Its entirely psychological. What the government should so is pass a law so you only make 1800 a month and a free house, hence you dont pay the rent. Same should be done for taxes, almost all taxes should be paid by your employers and you just get a lower net salary, then you can be relieved of not paying tax
>tfw this is how the government fools people in my country (there are taxes employer has to pay for every employee, which do not show on a pay stub because technically employees don't pay them or w/e)
Its like that in every country. In the USA, employees lose about 30% of their income to taxes before they even receive it, but the company also has to pay a similar amount from their pocket. So the government gets like 60% of your salary just because.
correct, I reserve at least 30% of my revenue for taxes, and that's after deductions
>employees lose about 30% of their income to taxes before they even receive it,
in german
30% would be a dream come true.
It's about 40% for me not including what the company pays on top. It's even worse when you earn more. The only good things about Germany is if you earn enough you can actually get health care deserving it's name and stupid boomer landlords often don't have inflation adjusted rents so if you stay in an apartment for long you will have very cheap rent compared to market. The latter is probably the reason why this country is still holding together somehow.
>Ordnungsamt only does something when someone complains about the trailer.
It's Germany so someone is 100% going to complain.
>How would you go about getting a job on the black market?
Generally you don't. There isn't really a black market besides maybe for illegal immigrants where you really don't want to get into because you will get fricked big time and earn less than minimum wage. Mostly it's tradesmen doing jobs on the side and they get their clients over their dayjob.
>Could you also elaborate more on the business thing?
It's not a 2go option you have to already be collecting Bürgergeld or ALG1 and then you can apply for a Gründungszuschuss (maybe it's called differently now with Bürgergeld). Basically you don't have to do the annoying stuff, put in a business plan which they have to approve and get 50% on top of ALG1/H4 to work on your business. The hard part is finding someone who's willing to support you in this. A lot of people working in the administration are garbage you can't work with.
You should look into getting a part time job at the gym so you can shower for free. You would also have access to the laundry equipment.
If you can save 24k a year without the rent then you would still be able to save 15.6k a year with it. Are utilities included in rent or do you pay separately? Even then just don't use the utilities.
Ah, another manchild thread, cool.
>DA GREEDY JOO LANDLORDS WANT THE MUNNY I WANT TO SPEND ON TOYS"
Followed by other manchildren and forever poors who think living in a trailer is "neat".
LOL
Imagine how fricking miserable you would be living in a soft skin trailer
you will never do this. this whole thread is just you vicariously living out a fantasy through your posts. you will not do this and you will not prove me wrong.
I will prove you wrong, and I will post when I do so. I will attach a screenshot of your post in archive
OP, I recommend getting a used cargo van and converting it. Way more comfy than a trailer, better sealed from the weather---insulate it and make yourself a rolling neet-box to take anywhere you go!
https://cheaprvliving.com/
Bob is a good resource for becoming a nomad.
Problem is a van is easily 500 Euros a month in running costs, I would but it just doesn't make sense
>a van is easily 500 Euros a month in running costs
how the hell a van that is only moved to not be in the same spot too much time can be 500€ per month?
Good luck owning anything when you have no storage. Add storage to the list. Also.
>solar powered/battery powered phone chargers
>no fridge
>mini gas stove with refills
>no way to clean dishes so plastic utensils everywhere
>no room for trash do you'll be making a ton of trash trips
>drive to work
>trash trips
>10x grocery store trips because no room to store basic necessities like food and water
>increased food price from eating out
You're not thinking this through. You want justification for a moronic idea.
Just insurance for an old ass mercedes sprinter sets you back 200 a month, plus you would have to pay taxes, repairs, inspection and the occasional moving around easily comes to 500 monthly
Are you 12? You pay for inspection once a year, and taxes? On what? Other gas, what the actual frick are you babbling about?
Inspection is 140 Euro, thats 12 a month.
In Germany we have KFZ-Taxes, for a sprinter those are 379 a year or 30 a month.
We are in total at 242 Euros a month just for standing around.
There are average values for repairs you can look up on the net, those are around 100 a month.
342, now 158 Euros are left for gas.
Gas is currently around 1,80 per Liter (7,4 dollars per gallon), that should get you around 800 km of range per month.
what
that's 43.25 a month
you missed something in your post or you can't count
they guzzle gas like motherfrickers
I vote you try to find some farm accommodations in exchange for labour nearby where you're currently living.
I did the voluntarily homeless thing for three years now (currently houseless, not homeless as I managed to buy an acreage after one year of living in a storage unit, and it sucks but as long as you retain the idea that you CHOSE to become homeless to achieve a greater goal the autonomy you work towards will be worth it.
>houseless, not homeless as I managed to buy an acreage
I guess that's one way of looking at it...
that's funny, i would give up nearly anything so i can live in a safe, comfortable place
I thought about that a lot but in the end living in the cheapest apartment you can find is still the best option. Living in a converted cargo van would be okayish the last years because you bearly loose any value on the used market but dumping waste water etc in Germany is a pain. Parking somewhere is pain. Buying land and live there in a van until you saved up enough is impossible. Tiny houses are not a thing it's exactly the same shit you have to do for a trailer than for a real house. And all the shit you have to do which robs you of time, money or both. For now i decided to stay in my apartment (i only pay 450€ though) i don't have to care about waste water, trash, heating, being robbed, i always have a place where i won't have to deal with other people and i don't have to use public rest and washrooms which is probably the biggest plus in my book.
I try to minimize my cost of living in other places. Use little gas and electricity, no extra internet connection, low phone bill, not eating expensive stuff etc. My pension contribution, health care, income taxes and other cost of living each is higher than rent why loose a massive amount of quality of life for so little gain.
They only options i have seen done successfully is living in a Schrebergarten for 0.5-1.5k a year which isn't illegal but against statutes in most cases so you will get kicked out if somebody notices or going the Bürgergeld route with black work and investing. The last one is a very chill life if you set it up right. In a city you will hover around 1.2k so you will have to put in some effort to at least be on a similar level financially. (the difference is not really a good argument for 40hrs of work each week though).
+There are ways to get funding for starting your own business or even basically get paid from the state to run your business when it's not generating enough income. I also know a guy who pulled that of.
How would you go about getting a job on the black market? It's not like they will advertise anywhere, but it sounds good.
Also thank you for the insight, really helpful. I think the waste water might be the biggest issue, together with removing trash.
Could you also elaborate more on the business thing? Never heard of that actually
Just live in a windowless van, there's like a billion of them in Schland
a box trailer is far better than a soft one
>shitskins cut them open to check if there is something valueable inside
cons for a soft trailer:
>cant close them from inside
>zero insulation
>noisy when its raining
>will be cut open
>will always leak somewehere
You also at least want to be able to stand inside your living space.
I would get a van. Sure its more expensive but there are many positive aspects
>you can drive somewhere else
>you can park it indefinitly
If you really want to use a trailer, get a horse trailer.
They are dirt cheap, tall and quite big for the price.
Also no one cares about them.
Trailers in general in germany:
No one actually cares when they are parked for longer than two weeks.
Ordnungsamt only does something when someone complains about the trailer.
On the other side simply moving the trailer to the next parking spot is illegal, you need to leave the area for a certain amount of time.
You could spend winter in warmer countries like italy
(assuming OP is a germangay)
Why not ask yourself how can I bring in more money now? rather than having this cuckish saving mentality. I recommend you read Rich Dad Poor Dad. Unless this type of living sounds like a fun adventure/phase of life type of thing, in that case go for it!
You cannot really make more money quickly here, there is no such thing as a side hustle really.
If you want to make more you need to either
a) wait for your boss to increase your wage by 3% after 5 years of work
b) switch jobs (which is a pain in the ass)
If you want to do anything outside of normal work you have to register a business immediately, and that includes registering for all sorts of insurances that are required by law and that you pay monthly. Those will break your neck big time, so you better have a good idea on what to start. Even shit like fixing homes or repairing furniture will set you back big time even if you don't take any orders because you still have to pay membership fees for trade associations and insurance.
Basically almost no advice from american books on how to make money/build a business apply here since you get raped for your money on day one
West Euro?
One myself, and I've faced this dilemma of reading American finance authors and not being sure how much of it applies to my countries laws.
I know there's workarounds on side hustle/starting a business and dealing with the insane taxation laws if you are indeed West Euro a lot of people register business in a neighbor country but I have no experience with it so no practical advice. You can always get into (crypto) trading. (It's basically don't do anything for weeks then when something happens in the market you jump on it and make a nice profit)
Yeah, German. I always wonder at what point laws in general became so cucked.
Exactly this.
What rules would you suggest to just ignore? Or in general, how would one get a list of all the rules that apply for a given field?
I know for example that my parents run a gardening Gewerbe, but they do so because my uncle does and he navigated them through the process of not fricking up registration.
I know for example that you should always lie when you fill out the field on what services you offer, since if you put in "mowing lawns" you won't pay anything, but if you put in "handyman repairs" you will get assfricked because it's protected.
I just don't even know where one would get a general overview of this, should I shill out some cash for a lawyer if I ever go the business route?
>What rules would you suggest to just ignore?
All the zoning shit unless you do load industrial things. Just do it and pray that when the administration fricks you you already are established enough to move in a real business location. Definitely do a lot of research what you can get away with in your certain case. If you do something you technically need qualification for your business could potentially be shut down completely. If you get away with it by just doing it or slightly modifying your type of business for a few years you might be elligable for certification via your experience by that time. I would try to avoid the high penalty things like breaking environmental and tax laws. Things like health violations or technical violations (using not up to code machines etc.) you can deal with when you have to. Unless you plan on being an employer then you would get fricked big time (potentially). Also there are lists for "Zulassungsfreie Handwerksberufe" where you might have to pay some stupid organisation fees but you can do it without certification.
>I just don't even know where one would get a general overview of this, should I shill out some cash for a lawyer
A LOT of googling. Unless specialised a lawyer will advise you on general things like how to start a business and which Gesellschaftsform to choose etc. but most won't know how to trick the system for your special case.
>save almost 1.5k a month, you put down a deposit
The market cooled down a bit but the last years you would be further from owning a house then when you started. Also with 2.5k no bank will give you a mortgage of 1.5 to 2.5k a month which you need to buy a house unless it's a very unattractive area.
With 18k down and 1.5k a month you could maybe buy a shitty apartment in 15 years.
Nice post,
do you happen to know some general tricks when it comes to IT-Businesses?
I'm bookmarking this thread
IT is probably one of the easiest of them all. You don't have any conditions on your location (unless you plan on haven a lot of customers in) so basically you can do it from anywhere if you can get an adress for it and it's very easy to do as "Freiberufler" mostly without qualifications instead of a real business which has some advantages like less and easier taxes, less accounting, afaik you don't need to pay stupid fees to IHK or something. You just have to inform the tax office and you should check beforehand if your idea classifies as "freiberuflich".
If you plan on consulting or programming remotely i'd advise to start parallel to your main job so that health care, care insurance, unemployment insurance and pension contribution is paid for (and maybe also general living expenses) and reduce your hours (if you can) as you gain more customers/income. That's basically the most risk free way to do it.
Not sure if you need/should have liabilty insurance or if that's even affordable but depending on your use case it's probably a good idea. Just imagine your error leads to some company IT going down and them loosing income for days. I don't think there is any limit to personal liabilty otherwise.
>Basically almost no advice from american books on how to make money/build a business apply here since you get raped for your money on day one
Pretty accurate.
>for all sorts of insurances that are required by law
In most cases you won't have to do anything. You can just start working unless it's a protected field. Taxation is a nightmare then and you have complete liability.
In most cases you have to inform your bossman of your side hustle and they can decide if they let you ort not.
In my experience it is close to impossible to start a business if you decide to abide by all rules. Every single business i ever had insight to started with a frick it mentality and mostly very underexperienced/educated founders. No you can't start a production facility or the next Apple in your garage. It is illegal to even store stuff in there. No you won't start a heavy equipment company on your old farm. It's Außenbereich and you're not getting approval for Gewerbe because it will destroy the roads. Buy a 350k industrial lot from the town 500m down the road from the county instead. No you won't start a consulting business in from empty spare room. Your landlord will cancel your rent contract because they don't want you to do business from their place. Oh and of course you need mandatory health insurance. The great advantage is you can get private health care even without any income yay. It's only 800€ a month. Shouldn't be a problem for a start up founder who is getting financially raped anyway.
You may save some money by living in your workplace? Nope it's illegal to live there.
They only thing somewhat easy to do is fast food. But then you'll compete with thousands of immigrants willing to work for less than you and with a lot of black capital coming from their homeland. There's a reason why there is near zero start up scene here.
>Trailer
>No car
It's gonna get stolen, OP. tbh if you're laying out cash for services during the day and presumably keeping a job why not just live out of a duffel bag instead. you don't need whatever storage space a trailer provides, and whatever is kept there will be stolen anyway. a tarp and blankets and clothes can fit on your back.
You probably buy a shitty small house really far away from the city. If you get 2.5k after tax you can save almost 1.5k a month, in a year you'll have 18k, you put down a deposit and another 2 years of wageslavery will buy you a shitty flat or shed-like home in a place nobody wants to live in.
Unfortunately society is structured in a way that you aren't allowed to live in a city without working unless you've been lucky to have rich parents and a house which you clearly don't.
This is a horrible idea all around. I've lived in actual travel trailers and it's a fricking nightmare, I'll never go back.
>5 minute showers
>no room for dishware
>no dishwasher
>smells like shit
>bugs everywhere
>gotta empty black water tank
>no insulation so always hot as frick or freezing
>if you flush the toilet even from a piss the whole trailer smells for 2 hours
>no laundry machines
>no clean clothes
>no noise insulation so when working nights you're up all day from outside noises
>had 2 large dogs from before the house was destroyed, definitely no room for them for months on end in a trailer
>no electricity, gotta run off travel solar panels or a generator
>must refill propane tanks for 5 minute showers, warm air and hot water regularly
in the winter this is a pain in the fricking ass
>any form of ventilation is just an invitation for gnats, flies, mosquitoes
>double this for the dog's food and water
I've also slept in repurposed old uhaul trailers made up as little campers with a mattress before. They suck just as bad. As a lifestyle it's fricking awful. 700 euro a month is fricking nothing rent out here is $1,650/m. Find a roommate and upgrade then.
>gym membership
That doesn't work anymore. Gyms train their staff to spot transients and bums and you will be asked to leave.
This is a really bad idea and it's clear you have no idea how unsafe being homeless is. Get a car, and live in that. I know you want to keep it megacheap but being able to move your house when you get rolled up on by police or hassled by vigilante neighbors or other homeless is extremely important to ensure your safety.
Germany is not the USA.
I'll give you the solution for free rent.
Find future homes in foreclosure that people have just left.
It takes a lot of time sometimes 2y.
Ask the owner if you can live in the property until the bank takes it.
You think they would sell it but sometimes that just means they would end up with more debt.
So I did this for 2y.
Just look up auctions track a place down
Find the owners and just ask.
I did it in Italy the home was supposed to be gone in 3 months and the owners had already decided to leave.
The home was put up for sale and they left.
I stayed and COVID hit so everything stopped.
Anyway at first I had electricity gas water even internet from the library next door.
Then the utilities got cut off one by one water was last.
The town was truly dead and getting a job was impossible.
Basically the local church gave me food and clothes.
And I use to search the Lidl trash cans when that wasn't enough.
It's all a meme and so I Europe.
I have a professional driving license and never got any job 4k down the drain.
Ended up moving to east Europe got some forest land and built a cabin in the woods.
I now have 150 goat's and make about 2k a month and have 0 cost of living expenses.
Have you considered making a tube framed "foamy"? Foamular laminated in fiberglass. Extremely light, strong and, well insulated for the money.
That will blow apart at highway speeds.
OP doesn't have a car.
op, you must be young- enjoy your youth. Live where other youth live, and you'll be happy you did.
Get a roommate to save money, and visit your parents with the extra money... live in a van or trailer when life has you down, and blue.
Learn to code, and make money on the side with a project... most importantly, enjoy yourself
Life goes on even after you stop enjoying it
>That will blow apart at highway speeds.
That sounds like the guy behind me's problem
Nope