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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i think you know where they're going, anon. expediting the process just means tiger kino before we're all too old to get it up

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you know Russia has tigers?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Siberian one, right?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hopefully the last Tigers are sent to Ukraine to get a chance to redeem their reputation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i think you know where they're going, anon. expediting the process just means tiger kino before we're all too old to get it up

      What is Ukraine going to do with them? Attack helicopters perform two tasks in this conflict. Either as a flying Grad or a a flying ATGM behind friendly lines. There are cheaper and better solutions for both than wasting time and money on training tiger crews.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I could honestly imagine it doing pretty alright in Ukraine, provided it has long range ATGMs installed
    it could snipe Russian tanks just like the Russians did with their Ka-52 last summer

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Germany has attack helicopters? Why? To pretend to help the americans?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so that little sons of prostitutes like you have something to ask

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tiger suffers the same issue all doctrinal dead-ends do: it's simply no longer suited for the current meta.
    The scout-attack concept worked in the '80s, but it's no longer a valid use case. You want unmanned vehicles for scouting (so your losses are limited if you frick up and mistakenly run right into the enemy's defenses) and a BIG HIGGER carrying gigahomie amounts of long-range ordnance, to thoroughly frick the enemy's shit up. The Apache fits the latter, the Tiger does not. And I say this as a massive fanboy of yuro weaponry.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The scout-attack concept worked in the '80s, but it's no longer a valid use case.
      Boy have I got some bad news for you concerning the Tiger's replacement.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/xqFwcmv.jpg

        we're just going back to the roots

        Honestly they look strangely cute.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like them, they're reliable and proven
          I wouldn't want to pilot one though while giving ground support, they don't seem very survivable against literally anything
          not very fast to get out quick and not armored in any significant way to survive direct hits either
          I guess we'll have to pray for the element of surprise for them to be effective or use them as ATGM lobbers from great distances

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Eh I'd trust the military on that one, they might be surprisingly tough with the addition of armor in certain places. I can see them toughening up the floor a bit and maybe adding some bullet resistant glass to the front you know? But yeah I think it'll be scouting plus JAGM lobbing or something.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they'll get gun pods and laser-guided rocket pods too besides the ATGMs, so they're clearly intended for relatively short range fighting too
              I guess it's better than nothing, and the US has things like Little Bird too which seem pretty similar so I guess it will be fine

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well the thing about the little birds was that they were so easy to make and so replaceable, and the pilots survived so often (often only falling 60-100 feet into Vietnamese trees) that they basically sent loss replacements without bothering to ask first. It was common to have a spare airframe around apparently, because the Army just kept getting them and it was assumed that even if you had an extra one now you'd need it in like a week.

                I'm not sure these things could be supplied the same way. But at the same time they're not dealing with DShKs and RPKs at treetop level so they'll probably be more survivable.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >or use them as ATGM lobbers from great distances

            Eh I'd trust the military on that one, they might be surprisingly tough with the addition of armor in certain places. I can see them toughening up the floor a bit and maybe adding some bullet resistant glass to the front you know? But yeah I think it'll be scouting plus JAGM lobbing or something.

            >I think it'll be scouting plus JAGM lobbing or something.

            https://i.imgur.com/Jcpt6CU.jpg

            they'll get gun pods and laser-guided rocket pods too besides the ATGMs, so they're clearly intended for relatively short range fighting too
            I guess it's better than nothing, and the US has things like Little Bird too which seem pretty similar so I guess it will be fine

            >they'll get gun pods and laser-guided rocket pods too besides the ATGMs
            >so they're clearly intended for relatively short range fighting too

            >replace light attack helo
            >replace it with glorified civilian helicopter to fill effectively the same role
            >"This makes sense."
            So Germany, after years of dicking around on defense, are still committed to the game of being moronic with their military and coping about it rather than being honest with themselves in their short-sighted, merchant-level cheapness and aversion to meeting their military commitments.
            >the US has things like Little Bird
            The US has AH-6s *in addition to* Apaches/Vipers, Blackhawks and Kiowas. There's capabilities Littlebirds do not fill that the other do. Germany lacks this operational depth.
            I like Germany quite a bit but you guys are (tragically) losing any right to even have a military.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >fenestron
            i will now procure our helicopter

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's just a shitty cope vehicle, like other multipurpose light helis converted into light attack roles throughout the decades, ex. Gazelle. or the MBB Bo 105 shown here:

        https://i.imgur.com/xqFwcmv.jpg

        we're just going back to the roots

        The main advantage is cheapness, due to parts commonality with its civvie variants. It's not a 'proper' combat heli.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's not a 'proper' combat heli.
          Well it's what Germany bought as their tiger replacement. They had the option to get Vipers but chose the up-gunned medicopter instead.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't they make some noises regarding Apaches? Or did the infamous kraut cheapness eventually strike in that instance as well?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Don't think so. The choice was between the H145M and the Viper. Bell promised to build a plant for local Viper production as well iirc. Eventually they went with the H145M because it's cheaper and already made in Germany. So you can have it faster and creates contracts for German manufacturers right away. Which all makes sense given the Bundeswehr has no funding and the 100€ billion special budget ended up a big joke.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Viper wasn't much of a choice in the first place, since functionally it's just an embiggened Tiger, with skids. It's also worse in some respects than the Tiger, since it has somewhat shorter range, and no Osiris optronic mast.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know man. The US isn't retiring the Viper and more countries are adopting it. Meanwhile the Tiger gets retired and nobody is buying it. Seems like the Viper does something right.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The US isn't retiring the Viper
                Well, of course they're not retiring it, they built a couple thousand of the things, plus it shares the engine with a lot of other helis in US service, so it's cheap to them. Also, since it's physically smaller than the Apache, you can fit more of them on the USMC's minicarriers.
                >more countries are adopting it
                Those countries adopt it as a first-instance, they don't replace an existing platform with it. And they do so because they're poorgays, and the Viper is cheaper than the Apache. Militaries who use a dedicated attack heli are not buying Vipers. Not Italy, nor c**tstralia, nor Erdoland. They all either went for an improved version of what they already have, or bought Apaches.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mfw Leonardo is trying their hardest to score a G2G agreement on AW249 for the Bundeswehr

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lynx, Leo2 and MGCS for them, helps for Germany.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t the Spike missiles outrange the Helffires?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Some of the versions, yes, but that's not an issue, since you can mount them on the Apache (like the merchants do).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Other way around, moron. Tiger retires because there is no doctrinal use for Gunships like it. Ordnance carriers are simply not needed, the AH is a weak concept from the cold war. Despite the Tigers stealth approach it couldn't offset that fundamental issue.

      Their replacement for now are militarized light civilian transport helicopters in a stronger pronounced scout role with less logistical footprint and less weaponry.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gunship
        But the German Tiger has no gun.
        >scout role
        Why not buy drones instead? Russia tried using helicopters in scouting roles and it resulted in significant losses. They stopped doing that once they had enough drones available.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gunship But the German Tiger has no gun
          But it does have gunpods? And they're as useless as a nose assembly. Precisely the dumb cold war stuff that makes gunships obsolete.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why not buy drones instead? Russia tried using helicopters in scouting roles and it resulted in significant losses. They stopped doing that once they had enough drones available.
          But they do buy drones as well?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But why waste money on a scout helicopter in the first place then?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >waste money
              >Russia tried x
              shut up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a medical helicopter with a green paint job in a scout role isn't going to get shot down by the first manpad carrying homie because...it just won't okay
                I guess risking a 9.7mil € helicopter and two pilots for something a much cheaper drone could do is the way to go.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its another anon doesn't understand what nap of the earth flying is thread
                Why do I even bother?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's another anon doesn't know that Ukrainian pilots have been doing it since 2014 but at high speed because otherwise you get fricked by anti-air
                Enjoy scouting at a cruise speed of 300km/h dickhead.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukrainians and Russians getting fricked up because they're flying literal garbage apparently means something to rich western nations with established military rotary aviation industries
                I see you started paying attention in like 2023. Kindly never speak on this topic again, we don't want the newbies to see your posts and think that you know anything.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ordnance carriers are simply not needed, the AH is a weak concept from the cold war.
        Lolno. Being able to dab on armor from 20-odd km (twice the range of even the longest-reach MANPADS) with 16x ATGMs never went out of fashion. And the Apache can carry those without breaking a sweat, thanks to its nearly-2000 hp apiece engines and heavy frame. Fact is, the Tiger never managed to do that, since its range with a full load (both sets of pylons occupied) drops massively, and causes accelerated airframe fatigue. Which is why you seldom see Tigers with a full load in actual combat operation photos.
        This is just krauts cheaping out of paying to develop the Tiger into an actual attack heli, and claiming they never actually wanted one in the first place.
        >in a stronger pronounced scout role
        Using manned aerial vehicles for scouting is an obsolescent idea. Moreover, the intended platform has frick-all in terms of actual dedicated sensors (rotorhead mast with multi-band optronics pod) to do so. It's just a cheapo civvie heli with a chinball IRST and two winglet pylons.

        >Ukrainians and Russians getting fricked up because they're flying literal garbage apparently means something to rich western nations with established military rotary aviation industries
        I see you started paying attention in like 2023. Kindly never speak on this topic again, we don't want the newbies to see your posts and think that you know anything.

        >This method of fighting is obsolete because cheap widely-available counters
        >"N-no, you're just doing it wrong!"

        Captcha: NWGGH

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >imagine getting replaced by a militarized version of a medical helicopter
    Tiger bros....not like this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we're just going back to the roots

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fugg just yesterday I glued together my first HKP 9 for my Team Yankee swedes. We goin back Cold War bros.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hope they add a laser gun

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this thing solos the entire Russian military no cap

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Es ist vorbei

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Going to get retired because German Gayrapeans have no shells for them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no shells
      The German version doesn't have a gun anyway, due to Mauser being c**ts, and the kraut gov't being morons.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also just like with Leopards 2 the Germans probably have barely any spare parts for them so when something breaks down they'll be out of action for the next half a year.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    H145M or Gazelle would be more useful in Ukraine than the Tiger or any attack helicopter actually.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    scouting->drone
    atgm carring->drone

    Why have a helicopter? These days there are so many powerful atgm´s with the ground forces you dont need those helis to strop armored advances.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw still using Alouette III

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope they never get replaced.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As Ukraine has shown us, Gunships are pretty useless.

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