Kyle Rittenhouse claims that the forward assist saved his life because it helped his AR go into battery after initially failing to due to the pedo troony holding onto his rifle near the ejection port.
I don't know that this is fact, but it seems more than plausible.
Because the FA is literally a cope button. >army upper brass explains to Congress why they need it > “the M-1, the M-14, and the carbine had always had something for the soldier to push on; that maybe this would be a comforting feeling to him, or something."
Air Force, marines, special forces, everyone who designed the gun didn’t want it. The ineptitude of the army is the only reason it exists and now we’re stuck with it.
Only the air force protested. Marines and navy were ok with it if it didn't change the way the gun works normally like how it currently is. The air force didn't want it because lmao they're just gate guards.
I want you to take your AR, induce a partial-feed, and then try to fix it without racking your charging handle a half dozen times like a sap. Bonus points if you actually try to drop the mag out and stand dumbfounded at what happens next.
If the forward assist were actually useful all those gay ass nrch piston ar variants would have one, scar included
The forward assist is just not needed period.
>scar included
The SCAR literally does have one, the charging handle. Push it forward, the bolt goes forward. The AR needs one because the charging handle does not work this way on it.
Yes. Any time the CH is anywhere but fully forward, it couples itself to the bolt so pushing the CH forward pushes the bolt forward. It's actually sleeker to use than the "push CH in" system on the FAL, XCR or VHS in my opinion. Just pull it back, couple it to the bolt, and bring the bolt home.
It’s not an AR variant but the AUG also has one. Like
>scar included
The SCAR literally does have one, the charging handle. Push it forward, the bolt goes forward. The AR needs one because the charging handle does not work this way on it.
says with the SCAR, you fold the charging handle upwards and it locks into the bolt guide rod.
The removal of the FA is unnecessary and only gives marginal bemefits, probably not even enough to justify doing so. The only people shilling for it's omission are the ones interested in selling their rifles to guillable morons.
The only argument that I deem plausible is that it is possible to worsen a malfunction with improper use of the FA.
I can reasonably see how using the FA improperly could lead to the worsening of a malfunction, but I'd argue that the few malfunctions 'caused' by the FA were already going to happen anyways, regardless of the FA or not.
This series proves the forward assist is overall good. There are no remaining arguments left to have if you watch both. It weighs 1.7 ounces more than a slickside. Git gud
Ian is a hack. The test he went over proved that the forward assist is not causal to failures to extract and it worked 100 percent of the time, but that would have involved him taking time to actually actually read source material.
He actually was. He held the gas system patent and let Sullivan and Fremont and colt do all the work on the AR-15 while he was making a forward assist for the ar10 in euro markets. The gun he gave to colt was just plain not ready for mass issue in Vietnam and he pretended otherwise. He didn't think chrome lining the barrel was a good idea but chromed the carrier, he had only superficially seen either forward assist and never saw the testing, he even doubted increasing buffer weight would solve over gassing issues as we know it does.
Go look at the stoner and Kalashnikov tapes. Stoner is almost reluctant to talk about mechanical details but incredibly quick to talk about interpersonal drama that always puts him on the high ground. Contrast it to Kalashnikov and he loves talking about revisions and his own personal technical challenges with designing the rifle.
The FA is useful because the AR doesn't have controlled feed. The extractor only grabs the rim of the casing when the bolt does it's final bit of rotation, after the cartridge is in the chamber. This means that if the bolt rams a cartridge into the chamber, but the extractor doesn't grab the rim of the casing, and you try to simply pull the charging handle back, it won't pull the cartridge out, and then you can cause a double feed or OoB detonation by trying to load another round.
You might think "Isn't it simple enough to hold the charging handle back and shake the rifle to get the cartridge out?" But no, it wasn't easy. The early AR's had dimensional issues, including tight chambers. So just trying to shake it out while holding the charging handle back would'ntve helped much. Pressing the forward assist ensures the bolt is fully seated and that the extractor is on the cartridge rim, preventing FTE or OoB detonations.
Can you simply just remove the magazine, then try to repeatedly charge the rifle to remove the stuck cartridge? Yes, but for drafted room temperature IQ G.I.s, thats complicated and can get you killed in a fight. It's simpler to just press a button after seating a mag to ensure extractor grab.
Is this necessary in modern AR's? No, but it doesn't hurt to have it. It's extra peace of mind to smack the forward assist after charging the rifle.
While I don't see the need for a forward assist, never have and likely never would use mine, I also think it's kind of pointless to spend more to buy a special upper without one out of spite, vs the established pattern that's cheaper to make since that's what it's always been before. It's not like sitting there being useless gets in the way or is any kind of detriment
Why do gays hate the forward assist so much? Is it because of Kyle?
Kyle what?
I never use it anyway so I thought about ditching it
Kyle Rittenhouse claims that the forward assist saved his life because it helped his AR go into battery after initially failing to due to the pedo troony holding onto his rifle near the ejection port.
I don't know that this is fact, but it seems more than plausible.
wtf i love the forward assist now. why would that story make me hate the forward assist?
>yle Ritte
Army chiefs insisted the gun have a forward assist to moron-proof it for grunts so that checks out
source?
I believe it was his interview with Tucker where he said that
His gun failed to go into battery because it was a poorly maintained AR shooting shitty underpressure Wolf steel case.
>measure that comes in handy with a dirty weapon and subpar ammo
Gee sounds like it's a good idea to include it on a fricking combat rifle then.
I've use it a couple of times when I had a failure to feed.
Because the FA is literally a cope button.
>army upper brass explains to Congress why they need it
> “the M-1, the M-14, and the carbine had always had something for the soldier to push on; that maybe this would be a comforting feeling to him, or something."
Air Force, marines, special forces, everyone who designed the gun didn’t want it. The ineptitude of the army is the only reason it exists and now we’re stuck with it.
Only the air force protested. Marines and navy were ok with it if it didn't change the way the gun works normally like how it currently is. The air force didn't want it because lmao they're just gate guards.
I want you to take your AR, induce a partial-feed, and then try to fix it without racking your charging handle a half dozen times like a sap. Bonus points if you actually try to drop the mag out and stand dumbfounded at what happens next.
If the forward assist were actually useful all those gay ass nrch piston ar variants would have one, scar included
The forward assist is just not needed period.
>scar included
The SCAR literally does have one, the charging handle. Push it forward, the bolt goes forward. The AR needs one because the charging handle does not work this way on it.
so you’re saying the AR is inferior?
Without a forward assist, absolutely. With one, they're close enough.
Well, it kind of is in this regard + no option for a proper folding stock
>both need forward assist
>HURRRRR SO THE AR IS INFERIOR DURRRRRRRR
get a load of this moron
Yeah
Yes.
Does the non-reciprocating version of the SCAR have a forward assist? I know the CZ Bren 2 has one, but I didn’t think the SCAR nrch version did
Yes. Any time the CH is anywhere but fully forward, it couples itself to the bolt so pushing the CH forward pushes the bolt forward. It's actually sleeker to use than the "push CH in" system on the FAL, XCR or VHS in my opinion. Just pull it back, couple it to the bolt, and bring the bolt home.
Ah, same with the Bren. Gotcha
It’s not an AR variant but the AUG also has one. Like
says with the SCAR, you fold the charging handle upwards and it locks into the bolt guide rod.
The removal of the FA is unnecessary and only gives marginal bemefits, probably not even enough to justify doing so. The only people shilling for it's omission are the ones interested in selling their rifles to guillable morons.
The only argument that I deem plausible is that it is possible to worsen a malfunction with improper use of the FA.
I can reasonably see how using the FA improperly could lead to the worsening of a malfunction, but I'd argue that the few malfunctions 'caused' by the FA were already going to happen anyways, regardless of the FA or not.
Wilson ARs kinda blow. Not bargain bin quality, but not near the quality you expect of their 1911s. Their rail system sucks ass to deal with too.
bear creek side charger uppers just as good. love me reciprocating charging handle. simple as.
This series proves the forward assist is overall good. There are no remaining arguments left to have if you watch both. It weighs 1.7 ounces more than a slickside. Git gud
Ian is a hack. The test he went over proved that the forward assist is not causal to failures to extract and it worked 100 percent of the time, but that would have involved him taking time to actually actually read source material.
is eugene stoner also a hack? for thinking the fa is unnecessary and hoping that the military would get rid of the fa eventually?
He actually was. He held the gas system patent and let Sullivan and Fremont and colt do all the work on the AR-15 while he was making a forward assist for the ar10 in euro markets. The gun he gave to colt was just plain not ready for mass issue in Vietnam and he pretended otherwise. He didn't think chrome lining the barrel was a good idea but chromed the carrier, he had only superficially seen either forward assist and never saw the testing, he even doubted increasing buffer weight would solve over gassing issues as we know it does.
Go look at the stoner and Kalashnikov tapes. Stoner is almost reluctant to talk about mechanical details but incredibly quick to talk about interpersonal drama that always puts him on the high ground. Contrast it to Kalashnikov and he loves talking about revisions and his own personal technical challenges with designing the rifle.
Stoner made mistakes. Shocker, I know.
The FA is useful because the AR doesn't have controlled feed. The extractor only grabs the rim of the casing when the bolt does it's final bit of rotation, after the cartridge is in the chamber. This means that if the bolt rams a cartridge into the chamber, but the extractor doesn't grab the rim of the casing, and you try to simply pull the charging handle back, it won't pull the cartridge out, and then you can cause a double feed or OoB detonation by trying to load another round.
You might think "Isn't it simple enough to hold the charging handle back and shake the rifle to get the cartridge out?" But no, it wasn't easy. The early AR's had dimensional issues, including tight chambers. So just trying to shake it out while holding the charging handle back would'ntve helped much. Pressing the forward assist ensures the bolt is fully seated and that the extractor is on the cartridge rim, preventing FTE or OoB detonations.
Can you simply just remove the magazine, then try to repeatedly charge the rifle to remove the stuck cartridge? Yes, but for drafted room temperature IQ G.I.s, thats complicated and can get you killed in a fight. It's simpler to just press a button after seating a mag to ensure extractor grab.
Is this necessary in modern AR's? No, but it doesn't hurt to have it. It's extra peace of mind to smack the forward assist after charging the rifle.
They make a .338 Federal AR10 that I want. I like .338 Federal.
For those of you who don't know, it's like 8.6 Blackout but for the White man.
While I don't see the need for a forward assist, never have and likely never would use mine, I also think it's kind of pointless to spend more to buy a special upper without one out of spite, vs the established pattern that's cheaper to make since that's what it's always been before. It's not like sitting there being useless gets in the way or is any kind of detriment