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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they seem to have invented an AR platform

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >another AR15 clone

      WHY CAN'T NOBODY INNOVATE?

      WHY IS EVERYTHING AN AK OR AR VARIANT?

      WHERE IS KELTEC WHEN YOU NEED THEM?

      Boring. Not even an interesting AR-15 variant. Scope looks nice, I guess.

      https://i.imgur.com/nf3u0SM.jpeg

      We're in the modern age, it's easier and cheaper to just build upon an existing platform. We have to wait until some autistic person with incredible knowledge comes along out of the blue and creates something actually new and innovative.

      Taiwan has been using gas piston AR-15 derivatives since the 1970s. Their current rifle is the type 91 which has been in mainline service for 20 years.
      Taiwan continuing the trend with AR-type rifles should not come as a surprise since they’ve been making them for 50 years, much longer than other nations and companies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what gas piston setup? Is it shared with other piston ARs?

        Basically wondering what the most standardized AR piston setup is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          T65 and T91 use different types of gas piston system.
          You have to take the upper handguard off first if you want to remove the piston system of the T65.

          ?si=GToaNWbh0RvQ7X1t
          T91's piston system is much easier to remove, you can pull it out from the gas block without using tools.

          ?si=XEHThxbsljjoCxaM

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That channel is crazy based look at this

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >nazi temporal scouts share captured future technology with allies, 1952, colorized

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Sign in to confirm your age
              >This video may be inappropriate for some users.

              What is it?

              I hope they dump more t91 parts if or when they adopt it, I never got to finish my clone

              T91 tactical is never in stock and it pisses me off. I got a wolf upper collecting dust.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What is it?
                Taiwanese dressed as DPRK soldier, disassembling a T91.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's airsoft but still kinda cool

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, it's an airsoft. But the company that made it used real T91 parts except for the barrel, bolt carrier group, and trigger. A guy bought a T65K2 from the same company, he converted that "airsoft" into a real rifle and got arrested last year.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another AR15 clone

    WHY CAN'T NOBODY INNOVATE?

    WHY IS EVERYTHING AN AK OR AR VARIANT?

    WHERE IS KELTEC WHEN YOU NEED THEM?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We're in the modern age, it's easier and cheaper to just build upon an existing platform. We have to wait until some autistic person with incredible knowledge comes along out of the blue and creates something actually new and innovative.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are other types of rifles, but nobody wants to buy them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >X95
        Why is it on the same list as these good rifles?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is that a fricking mini14 with a new stock in the bottom left?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It fricking is. It's got the same foreend connecting the barrel and stock underneath all that plastic, and the mag is absolutely a Mini-14 mag.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bermuda Regiment rifle

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think even Israel uses the Tavor since every video and image I've seen since Oct 7 has IDF soldiers holding M4s

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You would be wrong
          They're in the minority but I have seen entire units armed with Tavors in some videos

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They got plenty of units using Tavors but are in the process of replacing it with one of 3 ARs, it's between the Arad, the non meme version of the Gilboa and an Emtan rifle
          Experiences in Gaza cited as main reasons behind the move
          https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hju8hfrat

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >look inside
        >an AR

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a fricking boot
        >iwi trash
        >bullpup meme
        >is that a bren?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I will buy that steyr Aug, you Black person

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its only $1500 you cheap Black person. I can afford $1500 on my bullshit Uber Eats pay, why can't you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WHY IS EVERYTHING AN AK OR AR VARIANT?
      am I a joke to you??

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >4.7kg hunk of shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >heavy
        >shit stock
        >shit trigger
        >shit ergos
        >no last round hold open
        >expensive
        >1/12 twist
        Yes,
        t. owned one

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WHY CAN'T NOBODY INNOVATE?
      Mexico innovated but no one cared because the exterior looks a lot like HK.

      >WHY IS EVERYTHING AN AK OR AR VARIANT?
      Because said platforms JUST WERK, and there's a frick surplus parts and magazines laying around. Same reason the most common PCC's in the market use Glock magazines.
      Also plenty of HK variant rifles are still used to this day so not EVERYTHING is an AR/AK, just mostly everything.

      >WHERE IS KELTEC WHEN YOU NEED THEM?
      Held back by DC cronyism and SIG bribes.

      https://i.imgur.com/pUpvUna.jpeg

      There are other types of rifles, but nobody wants to buy them.

      The AUG is such a kino bullpup, especially the LMG variant (personal opinion).

      I've been meaning to get the wolf T91 upper but I'd never bother to make it clone correct. Maybe now is the time

      >I've been meaning to get the wolf T91 upper but I'd never bother to make it clone correct.
      Your apathy and laziness is exactly what Xi wants anon. Support the Taiwanese province/country? or you love Maoism, famine, locusts, and stone soup.
      >Maybe now is the time
      Yes, be a better (You) today.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      List any errors with the AR15/AK/AR18 and how they're solved in a way that results in a demonstrably different system than what is out there already.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who do I have to bribe to get Keltec a government contract?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *Sigh* Yet another AR platform. I guess the AR platform is the 21st century Brown Bess.

      Keltec standard issue rifle when?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ANON YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE M4IS THE PERFECT GUN AND NOTHING WILL EVWR REPLACE IT. QE WILL ALL BE CRABS FIGHTING WITH AR-15'S IN THE FUTURE

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WHY CAN'T NOBODY INNOVATE?
      There is a lot of innovation and if you go digging, you find out there have been tons of promising projects that were abandoned once they exited the "proof of concept" stage
      And the issue always turns out to be that THERE IS NO FUNDING for properly finishing any novel firearm projects to a level where they can be considered as reliable and proven as another AR or AK clone
      You don't just need to design a gun, you also need to have several thousand morons in camo do exercises with it for a few years so you can fix issues that aren't immediately apparent in the design room or small scale testing
      If you're a NATO country or an ally, it's practically impossible to convince the people holding the money bag that you need a better gun than an AR clone especially since NATO compatibility acquisitions tend to be viewed as big and "necessary" political moves, and unfortunately politicians (both civilian and military people in what are arguably political positions) are fricking moronic and in control of the money
      There's also the issue of political timeframes. Elections are every 4 years. Finishing out a novel gun design and proving it's reliable enough for mass scale adoption is an 8 year process if it goes well
      No modern politician cares enough about their country to push for a project that won't immediately benefit their career. They'll push for AR clone, go on about muh NATO compatibility and get fat stacks of votes and big publicity

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boring. Not even an interesting AR-15 variant. Scope looks nice, I guess.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks better than most AR-15 variants these days so it has that going for it.

      Name me an interesting AR-15 variant in the past decade. Everything has been bland for a long time now.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    where the frick is the forward assist?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In the trash

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been meaning to get the wolf T91 upper but I'd never bother to make it clone correct. Maybe now is the time

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is that scope?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Acog? Self made optic? not sure, they didn't mention the model. they did say it's 4x though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Acog? Self made optic? not sure, they didn't mention the model. they did say it's 4x though.

      I like the baby-waby toprail on the scope. Tottemo kawaii.

      To make MP Sports cycle?

      what's up with Americans with their forward assists? I've never had to use them.

      The FA has two proven uses, and one semi-apocryphal use. And I'm annoyed that 90% of the supposed YTube "experts" and even Stoner himself didn't get it.

      Proven (2):
      1) in degraded logistical conditions, if your ammo is shit, the bolt may not cycle consistently. FA is a shorter and smaller motion than cycling the charging handle. There's a field report from Vietnam of this working as intended.
      2) if your training is shit, or you're terrified shitting your pants, you might whiff the charging handle pull. FA smaller and quicker. Rittenhouse demo'd this fix.

      Apocryphal:
      Needing to be quiet when recharging the weapon. Instead of a bufferspring smacking the bolt forward, you ride the bolt to the chamber and then "click" into locked position with the FA.

      "FA is only there because the Charging T-handle is a broken design!"
      Some say the top charging handle is purely a quick-fix resulting from relocation of the AR-10's handle. Because it got too hot in that original position.
      But there is a utility to its top-rear position.
      Similar to the purpose of the Darne model shotguns: imagine you are in a blindage. Your barrel is resting on the environment, protruding to some degree. Maybe it's pressed up to the magwell, even. Charging from top-rear of the receiver means you don't need to tilt or retract/re-extend the barrel in order to reach a handle located towards the front. You also don't need clearance to either side.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Admirable work Anon but you're never going to convince the morons. The AR charging handle is an elegant design. Its inherently ambidextrous, low profile and requires only a minor opening in the receiver which prevents shit from getting in the action.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's also strategically placed to spit gas in your face if you use a suppressor.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If that's happening then you've set up your rifle poorly and you only have yourself to blame.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wow incredible!…looks like an AR

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no FA
    into the trash it goes...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Taiwan never had a forward assist on their ARs tbf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what's up with Americans with their forward assists? I've never had to use them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there's a good reason it exists.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To make MP Sports cycle?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You've never seen combat either.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah well my mom has
          get owned moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the only combat she's seen is between the sheets amirite

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dust and grit can absolutely cause an AR to not go into battery.
        As can very rarely, firing from an unsupported position due to not giving the gun enough mass to cycle into.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          just rewiener the gun then?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is a chance the cartridge hasn't engaged in the extractor doing that.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Herrow prease smol china adpots new Short Stroke AT
    >I STILL dont have a T65K2

    What the frick

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And a ching chong ping pong to you too

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you have to be 18 to post here

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    American client states have the most boring military equipment.
    And will probably fail.
    Cant wait to see these in a pile in Beijing, after the reunification.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hahaha Taiwanese guns weak
      Meanwhile, in China.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ar15

    [...]

    NEW RIFLE OMG xD PLS UPBOAT

    you need to be 18 or older to post here

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why complain? We have manufacturing costs on these so low they practically give them away.
    I would have gone with 6.8 spc II but it doesn’t really matter because America is going to kick China’s butthole down the court and Taiwan won’t even get a chance to use them.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope they dump more t91 parts if or when they adopt it, I never got to finish my clone

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dislike the AR-15 (controversial I know) but if I had to have one it would probably be this (I like integrated front sights).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, weird ass trigger guard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >integral low profile folding irons
        >Reasonable heavy reasonably long barrel, no moronic gov't profile or HBAR
        >full ambi controls
        >m-lok rail that isn't skeletonized to absurdity
        >combo muzzle-brake/flash-hider (guessing by the prong design at the end)
        >bayonet lug
        Honestly a pretty sensible build minus the gay as frick 2 round burst instead of full-auto and the dropping of the forward assist. It looks like they built it a bit beefier than your ultra light civilian builds and for a combat rifle that's a good choice. I wonder who makes the scope and if they'll try integrate a suppressor to mount on that brake.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and of course the enlarged trigger guard for bulky gloved shooting and a flat trigger (implying some effort to make the trigger pull more competition esque than a standard mil-spec trigger)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          agree with the 2 round burst

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Enlighten me on why. I see a burst as more constricting than full auto but less accurate than semi. The few cases where you need select fire in any case are either suppressive fire or panicked close quarter mag dumping. In both cases I don't see much of an advantage to burst besides keeping poorly trained scared conscripts from emptying their magazine quite as fast (a few seconds vs a few more seconds at most).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that's what I meant, I agreed that it's gay. it's a bureaucratic design. it might seem sensible from a statistical view to implement burst, but irl it's useless.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          agree with the 2 round burst

          Enlighten me on why. I see a burst as more constricting than full auto but less accurate than semi. The few cases where you need select fire in any case are either suppressive fire or panicked close quarter mag dumping. In both cases I don't see much of an advantage to burst besides keeping poorly trained scared conscripts from emptying their magazine quite as fast (a few seconds vs a few more seconds at most).

          that's what I meant, I agreed that it's gay. it's a bureaucratic design. it might seem sensible from a statistical view to implement burst, but irl it's useless.

          T112 can still fire full automatically. It's has four mode: safe, semi, 2 round burst, auto.

          [...]
          That explains how those parts make it into the USA. Pity about Taiwan’s gun laws but your airsoft culture seems pretty awesome.
          Is it legal to purchase those parts and bring them to the USA or have them shipped?
          The T65 is a classic and I find the K2 very neat.

          It's 100% legal to own those parts in Taiwan, but I'm not sure if you can bring them into the US or not.

          >T86 in service since 2000 but only a limited amount was actually procured
          >T91 introduced instead, with 300k produced
          >T112 to replace both
          >all within 20~ years
          Not suspicious, not even a little.

          I know what you're implying, but the Taiwanese Government are not going to send them away. Those T91s will replace the reserve units' old M16A1, T65K1, and T65K2.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >2 round burst
            Are the people in charge of procurement and training fricking boomers? How hard can it be to train conscripts to pull and then let go of the trigger and not mag dump all their ammo into the ocean? It's an AR not a full auto FN FAL. Do they not understand that the more bullshit you add to a rifle the more points of failure you introduce?

            Last I checked not even the French were doing this nonsense anymore.

            >integral low profile folding irons
            >Reasonable heavy reasonably long barrel, no moronic gov't profile or HBAR
            >full ambi controls
            >m-lok rail that isn't skeletonized to absurdity
            >combo muzzle-brake/flash-hider (guessing by the prong design at the end)
            >bayonet lug
            Honestly a pretty sensible build minus the gay as frick 2 round burst instead of full-auto and the dropping of the forward assist. It looks like they built it a bit beefier than your ultra light civilian builds and for a combat rifle that's a good choice. I wonder who makes the scope and if they'll try integrate a suppressor to mount on that brake.

            >I wonder who makes the scope
            Probably some Korean or Japanese company that releases their products under a million different names.

            >a fricking boot
            >iwi trash
            >bullpup meme
            >is that a bren?

            >>is that a bren?
            IT JUST WORKS, why not make a modernized Bren?

            Who do I have to bribe to get Keltec a government contract?

            >Who do I have to bribe to get Keltec a government contract?
            Start with a poor irrelevant country that cares more about aesthetics than practicality and convince their dictator that their government security forces would look dope as frick with a R50 Series carbines which wouldn't be hard for Kel-tec to fulfill. Either that or mass produce enough RFB's or RDB's (depending on what form of ammo is more common there) and dump them in the hands of some ethnic separatist movement in Asia or Africa then hope they win and achieve nationhood, if the do win well their national rifle of choice will likely be the one they're already use to and have dozens of, they'll be a life long customer for Kel-tec after that. Then Kel-tec will get to humor the idea of producing APC's, battle tanks, and artillery too after birthing a new nation into existence.

            Quick someone with official or a contacts and maybe a green glowing aura that sticks out at night scheduled a meeting between the CEO of Kel-tec and the rebels of Rahmanland. the Cabinda Province, and Tigray's in Ethiopia. If just one of them wins their independence Kel-tec will finally go international and finally get to compete with the likes of FN, Sig, and H&K. It would be the greatest underdog story ever told.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Are the people in charge of procurement and training fricking boomers?
              Yes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              2 rounds burst is unironically decent for low recoiling guns in 5.56

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No forward assist is a big plus.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When are we getting T65 and T91 parts kits? No. Don't mention the beat to shit, pverpriced T65's over on HK(ike)Parts.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not sure about the t91 but the t65 is no longer being produced. t65 was never officially exported to the us, so the parts are most likely smuggled which would continue to be more and more expensive.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was my point anon. When are we getting ex-Taiwanese military parts kits. These are coming into service apparently so they are going to want to dispose of their older rifles.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When are we getting T65 and T91 parts kits? No. Don't mention the beat to shit, pverpriced T65's over on HK(ike)Parts.

        That was my point anon. When are we getting ex-Taiwanese military parts kits. These are coming into service apparently so they are going to want to dispose of their older rifles.

        T65 kits are very expensive. the occasional set on fun timer goes for big bucks so the ones on HKparts aren’t too heavy in the grand scheme of things. they’re rare, unusual, and simply need a regular AR lower and A1 style barrel to be competed (unless i’m missing something). they were never formally imported from taiwan but i think the mrs are ex service rifles from nations that did procure the guns.

        That was my point anon. When are we getting ex-Taiwanese military parts kits. These are coming into service apparently so they are going to want to dispose of their older rifles.

        Taiwan will probably store them for the foreseeable future, sell them to a friendly nation, or scrap them. we haven’t got any ex-taiwanese or KMT weapons yet despite both Taiwan and USA being buddies for decades, no Taiwan M14 parts either.
        One day i hope Crypto king and conquer of gang bangers, Bukele, sells El Salvador’s on T-65s to the US as kits.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not sure about the t91 but the t65 is no longer being produced. t65 was never officially exported to the us, so the parts are most likely smuggled which would continue to be more and more expensive.

      That was my point anon. When are we getting ex-Taiwanese military parts kits. These are coming into service apparently so they are going to want to dispose of their older rifles.

      [...]
      [...]
      T65 kits are very expensive. the occasional set on fun timer goes for big bucks so the ones on HKparts aren’t too heavy in the grand scheme of things. they’re rare, unusual, and simply need a regular AR lower and A1 style barrel to be competed (unless i’m missing something). they were never formally imported from taiwan but i think the mrs are ex service rifles from nations that did procure the guns.
      [...]
      Taiwan will probably store them for the foreseeable future, sell them to a friendly nation, or scrap them. we haven’t got any ex-taiwanese or KMT weapons yet despite both Taiwan and USA being buddies for decades, no Taiwan M14 parts either.
      One day i hope Crypto king and conquer of gang bangers, Bukele, sells El Salvador’s on T-65s to the US as kits.

      You can legally buy T65 and T91's front sight block, handguard, buttstock, pistol grip, and even gas system in Taiwan. But the barrel, bolt carrier group, trigger, and receiver are illegal here.
      t. Taiwanese

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it's an airsoft. But the company that made it used real T91 parts except for the barrel, bolt carrier group, and trigger. A guy bought a T65K2 from the same company, he converted that "airsoft" into a real rifle and got arrested last year.

        That explains how those parts make it into the USA. Pity about Taiwan’s gun laws but your airsoft culture seems pretty awesome.
        Is it legal to purchase those parts and bring them to the USA or have them shipped?
        The T65 is a classic and I find the K2 very neat.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems better than the chang one that keyholes at arm's length.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      think that was caused by using rubber bullets designed for type 95. new rifles use different 5.8 ammo.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >T86 in service since 2000 but only a limited amount was actually procured
    >T91 introduced instead, with 300k produced
    >T112 to replace both
    >all within 20~ years
    Not suspicious, not even a little.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get it

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AR15
    >one of the most interesting rifles ever made
    >utilizes an operating mechanism almost completely unique to it when introduced
    >incredibly versatile and adaptable design suitable to a wide variety of uses
    >now one of, if not the most proven rifle designs in all history
    >underdeveloped morons now think it's 'bland' because it's not some obscure piece of shit 'solution' that doesn't solve any problems
    Yeah

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >its a PSA freedom ar15 with a troy handguard
    uhhhh....yeah. they should have adopted this.

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