Sauce on that?
It (hypothermia) been a part of post cardiac arrest ROSC protocol for a while, but hypothermia is also part of the lethal triad of trauma. >t. a neverserved fat-frick IFT stretcher jocky. You are welcome for my service in advance.
ngl i like the idea of several men with guns around me while i'm wounded but this might be the more survivable option in a peer war, since it can go at treetop level. i know the ukrainians have complained about being unable to get anyone out of certain areas except by humvee.
Yeah, that's another issue. For someone who's stable, no attendant works. For someone who's critically injured and needs to be evacuated immediately? No fricking way, you need someone on hand to monitor the patient.
That said, better a high-risk evacuation than being left to die in a trench.
>being left to die in a trench
The thing is a trench run by a competent army of humans would have medkits and at least one person with a working knowledge of battlefield triage who can keep you going through anything short of serious internal bleeding
Fortunately vatBlack folk are neither competent nor human
That Saddam meme just will not die. Unlike Saddam.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see the presence of new Saddams as an indicator of a healthy autist population in the ecosystem. Technical diagrams and cutaways are the preferred habitat of the wild Saddam, and autists have a deep stock of them in their caches, in case they need to swoop in to infodump.
>Doing this shit instead of just making a droppod
Either you have a multiple person or single person pod with a parachute & rocket assist on the final phase before landing, but this stuff is just stupid.
Wait, as stupid as that looks, isn't that basically functionally an IFV? Technologically they were entirely do-able with WW2 era tech, it's just a concept. Instead of a tank pulling a bunch of infantry, just have a bigger tank with less armor and a smaller gun.
IFV would have been hugely effective in WW2. Shame we didn't get any.
Light tanks are just smaller tanks, whereas IFV are meant to both transport troops AND support them in the field. Light tanks have bigger guns while IFV have some kind of machinegun or chaingun.
https://i.imgur.com/6VrykRt.jpg
>Shame we didn't get any
Those are still classified as APC's, and they were sticking machine guns to APC's since they had them. An IFV is between an APC and light tank and is neither.
There is no exact definition between APC and IFV, and many different armies define all these concepts differently. Typically APC's are more lightly armored and the idea was to be a bus shuttling units to and fro. The gun was an emergency backup weapon. IFV in contrast stay and are meant to support infantry.
3 months ago
Anonymous
In German doctrine Panzergrenadiers were supposed to do as much fighting as possible while still mounted in their Sdkfz 251s (In order to keep up with rapidly advancing tanks, wich worked out great for them in the early war). This is in sharp contrast to US doctrine with the M3 halftrack, where the infantry was supposed to dismount and fight on foot, while the M3s stayed out of combat. So doctrinally yes, Germany basically had an IFV, even if it was kinda shit at its job.
There is no exact definition between APC and IFV, and many different armies define all these concepts differently. Typically APC's are more lightly armored and the idea was to be a bus shuttling units to and fro. The gun was an emergency backup weapon. IFV in contrast stay and are meant to support infantry.
A lot of it is a question of doctrine, as demonstrated by the varying definitions of "tank". One way to define an APC is that it deploys troops outside of LOS of the enemy and then remains outside of LOS while the troops go and do their thing. An IFV, on the other hand, deploys its troops and then supports them with a gun and armor package capable of dealing with enemy small arms fire and perhaps light autocannons on enemy IFVs--and, in many cases carries a small number of ATGMs in order to give itself a chance if it runs into enemy tanks.
>Light tanks have bigger guns while IFV have some kind of machinegun or chaingun.
Eh, not really a good way to divide them up, especially when it comes to looking at historical examples. Modern light tanks do definitely tend to have larger caliber guns because it’s redundant for them to have the same guns as IFVs in modern warfare doctrine, but light tanks early on had very small guns, some even just had machine guns. The CV-90 has a larger caliber gun than a bunch of WW2 era light tanks and the BMP-1 has a 73 mm smoothbore gun which basically gives it the same caliber size as most medium tanks in WW2. You could slap a low velocity 120mm on an IFV and it would still be an IFV, it just wouldn’t be a very good one. Really you should only divide IFV from light tanks on the basis of troop carrying capacity and doctrinal use since historically their combat capacity overlapped so aggressively.
>grew up with a Irish pointer >I would lay on a blanket and give him a corner for tug of war >he would drag me around the kitchen
I haven't thought about that in a decade, I still miss you Sam.
>you're not dying bro, hang in there >whilst we put you in this coffin shaped box
tbh you'd take it if it was your only option, and ofc many casualties are pretty out of it anyway (i.e. due to shock, blood loss, ketamine, etc)
>This rescue has been brought to you by RAID:Shadow Legends
You can let me out here. Yes, I know we're 5000 feet in the air over jagged rocks in the middle of nowhere.
No thanks, that pod door doesn't look like it can be opened from inside
Imagine being inside that thing when it's getting EW'd, landed, and can't be found because it's painted like that
call me a pussy if you like, but if I were designing this, I would be looking at a window in the nose, or two windows at the sides, and most importantly, a little mobile phone-sized screen on the top of the hatch, which gives the person inside information of time to landing, and ideally a map with "you are here"
I can see being packed into a box, presumably when wounded, with a load of noise but no information - particularly how long this is going to last - being cause for panic and disorientation.
At the very least a GPS display yeah. Some people might be afraid of heights so maybe drop the windows, I've known people who are OK in 737s but get fricking terrified in ferris wheels or small helicopters because there's less apparent "structure" around them.
window blinds you can pull down would be obvious soution.
I figure the "in a glorified coffin with no light from outside" is what's likely cause panic. the GPS/Info is what gives you a sign its only temporary.
Not knowing how long you're in the coffin is what freaks you out, more than knowing you're in a coffin, if that makes sense. And little things like portholes to let you get light in can radically change a person's perception of how claustrophobic a location is. I've never been evacuated after a warfare injury, but I've been in an air ambulance, and when you hurt and are disoriented like that, that's when you can start to panic even further - especially without someone beside you to say "you'll be ok, we're landing in 5 mins"
That'd be me. I am fine with a 737 but a cessna and having doors flimsier than my car door but 1000 feet or so made my gorilla brain go OOK OOOK OOOK meltdown.
My girlfriend is the same anon. Fine with 737s/A320s IRL, could even play DCS in VR flying something like a F/A-18, got a bit weird about the F-16 (apparently the feeling of sitting "on top" of the plane instead of in it spooked her), had a panic attack on a ferris wheel about half way up the thing and refuses to get in any helicopter. She's mentioned being nervous about having to go in an medical helicopter even, and those things are huge.
I think it's just a monkey brain thing as you said.
ITT: >wow that's fricking stupid it's literally a coffin what kind of russian/chinese insectoid contraption is this >*sees the BAE logo* >you know what this is actually pretty smart and efficient, it sure beats laying the the mud hehe
Nobody ever said that dumbass, quadcopters of this size are more than capable of transporting ~100 kg loads. Are you annoyed one of your Ukraine slide threads got deleted?
If it keeps you in the golden hour, sure, why not give it a go? Can think of a bunch of awkward terrain where having a personal casevac drone could save your life without having to send two guys back to carry you.
Ukrainians in Bakhmut and other heavy areas of the front have complained about being unable to CASEVAC people by any way other than light vehicles speeding down roads trying to dodge ATGMs, so this could be a good solution for that scenario. It can fly low to the ground between obstacles (so mines and destroyed vehicles aren't an issue), it can dodge between trees, and when it's away from enemy forces it can climb.
It could also be helpful for outposts. Instead of having to drive minimum a humvee or M113/similar to a location to pick up wounded you can just send out one of these.
Lets be honest here. If it can carry a grown man, then sure as frick someone will get a idea to sling a bundle of 155mm shells under it and make a funny video.
If both sides agree to paint them white with a red cross sure. To the ones who want a window mate one of your legs is gone somebody just pumped a shot of morphine in you and youre out cold for the ride.
>If both sides agree to paint them white with a red cross sure
That isn't going to change anything, both sides will be landing them next to trenches full of ammo and food. >muh both sides
If you think nations facing complete destruction don't warcrime for any advantage they can get you are delusional.
I sure as shit hope they pumped me full of drugs first. Just imagine being fully cognizant because you've got a concussion and they don't want to put you on pain meds.
I've been hit with a pretty heavy dose of fentanyl for a major accident before, it does not put you out, it just numbs the pain. Druggies taking massive doses that put them on their asses isn't normal medical dosage.
I'm light and small so it should be ok
but I think the average soldier or slightly heaver / bulky types would reduce the performance of the lifting platform
I wonder if they plan on sedating the guy before putting him in a dark metal box or if there's a screen and some speakers to play calming videos and music. I mean I can't be the only one that thinks being shot and then put in a flying metal coffin wouldn't be downright terrifying. I'm not claustrophobic at all but they have to understand someone wounded is gonna not be in the best state of mind and may thrash about in fear
>get shot in the leg, bleeding but yougonnamakeit.jpg >head is full of adrenaline and morphine >they put you in a small dark space for a bumpy ride all alone
that thing is going to break people unless you sedate them to hell and back first
What happens if your condition worsens while in the pod? I think pulling corpses out of there would worsen morale.
No, I think a medical team is needed for casualties if for no other reason than to keep them sane and comfortable.
>What happens if your condition worsens while in the pod? I think pulling corpses out of there would worsen morale.
The drone dumps your corpse mid flight to save power and returns to the field to evacuate someone else.
>Drone encounters turbulence. >Heart monitor electrodes get dislodged >Drone registers this as patient dying >Live patient gets dumped out at 5000 feet.
yes
Frick that, I want chaingun protection.
>evac storm shadow.jpg
ghad demn they r launching evac right into hospital
captcha: MNHTN
The pod is overkill. Just hook the stretcher to the drone. Hypothermia is used as a first aid protocol to keep people alive now.
Sauce on that?
It (hypothermia) been a part of post cardiac arrest ROSC protocol for a while, but hypothermia is also part of the lethal triad of trauma.
>t. a neverserved fat-frick IFT stretcher jocky. You are welcome for my service in advance.
anon it was a joke...
Add moronic and or autistic to the previous list of descriiptors then I guess
>Hypothermia is used as a first aid protocol to keep people alive now.
elaborate.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=135&contentid=393
i hate you Black folk so much
hEH
Really seems like you should go in head first, considering the nose of the Apache will tilt down when it's going forwards.
frick that, I want to BE the gun
what's the brevity code for launching an unguided E2?
Fox-You?
>CASEVAC by way of single person pods
Who let the techbros i to the MIC?
Accept the cookies, or die.
Gadgetbahns will come for the army too.
I'd prefer to have someone with me
Yeah I need someone to hold my hand and make me feel less scared
ngl i like the idea of several men with guns around me while i'm wounded but this might be the more survivable option in a peer war, since it can go at treetop level. i know the ukrainians have complained about being unable to get anyone out of certain areas except by humvee.
Yes, I really would
It needs to come equipped with AI anime waifu that will soothe you with their voice.
Yeah, that's another issue. For someone who's stable, no attendant works. For someone who's critically injured and needs to be evacuated immediately? No fricking way, you need someone on hand to monitor the patient.
That said, better a high-risk evacuation than being left to die in a trench.
>better a high-risk evacuation than being left to die in a trench
Unless you're a Russian. Then the latter is vastly more preferable.
>being left to die in a trench
The thing is a trench run by a competent army of humans would have medkits and at least one person with a working knowledge of battlefield triage who can keep you going through anything short of serious internal bleeding
Fortunately vatBlack folk are neither competent nor human
tight fit, but I'll squeeze in with ya bro
I guess it beats freezing to death in a mud filled trench or eating a grenade as soon as you're wounded.
Thanks anon, I need company when being medevac"d
actually a pretty good idea but i mean i wouldn't want to be in one of those if it gets shot down, at least a helicopter can attempt to autorotate
>you will never get Harrier CASEVAC'd
WHAT?!
They are called "Exint pods" if you want to have a search, lots of weird shit.
WHAT? YOU NEED TO SHIT? I CAN'T HELP YOU THERE!
comfy
Needs a saddam pod
Hey! Diver Dan and crew!
That Saddam meme just will not die. Unlike Saddam.
I see the presence of new Saddams as an indicator of a healthy autist population in the ecosystem. Technical diagrams and cutaways are the preferred habitat of the wild Saddam, and autists have a deep stock of them in their caches, in case they need to swoop in to infodump.
>pilot
>Vietnamese prostitute
>diver
>officer
Hmmm
>let me guess, you NEED more?
We need to go back and find the future we predicted.
So that what they meant by "human payload".
>hey goose?
>...yeah?
>which weapons station was that spook on?
>post yfw you thought you dropped the Mk 77’s but it was actually the Spook Pod (tm)
>Doing this shit instead of just making a droppod
Either you have a multiple person or single person pod with a parachute & rocket assist on the final phase before landing, but this stuff is just stupid.
you would literally die from the noise
for you.
>You are fired
Veeee~
Wait, as stupid as that looks, isn't that basically functionally an IFV? Technologically they were entirely do-able with WW2 era tech, it's just a concept. Instead of a tank pulling a bunch of infantry, just have a bigger tank with less armor and a smaller gun.
IFV would have been hugely effective in WW2. Shame we didn't get any.
>Shame we didn't get any
>IFV would have been hugely effective in WW2.
IFVs are just light tanks you homosexual
Light tanks are just smaller tanks, whereas IFV are meant to both transport troops AND support them in the field. Light tanks have bigger guns while IFV have some kind of machinegun or chaingun.
Those are still classified as APC's, and they were sticking machine guns to APC's since they had them. An IFV is between an APC and light tank and is neither.
>an Armored Personnel Carrier which the Infantry Fight from is not the same as an Infantry Fighting Vehicle which is Armored and Carries Personnel
I know /k/ is not the place to make this argument, but you're literally just splitting semantic hairs.
There is no exact definition between APC and IFV, and many different armies define all these concepts differently. Typically APC's are more lightly armored and the idea was to be a bus shuttling units to and fro. The gun was an emergency backup weapon. IFV in contrast stay and are meant to support infantry.
In German doctrine Panzergrenadiers were supposed to do as much fighting as possible while still mounted in their Sdkfz 251s (In order to keep up with rapidly advancing tanks, wich worked out great for them in the early war). This is in sharp contrast to US doctrine with the M3 halftrack, where the infantry was supposed to dismount and fight on foot, while the M3s stayed out of combat. So doctrinally yes, Germany basically had an IFV, even if it was kinda shit at its job.
A lot of it is a question of doctrine, as demonstrated by the varying definitions of "tank". One way to define an APC is that it deploys troops outside of LOS of the enemy and then remains outside of LOS while the troops go and do their thing. An IFV, on the other hand, deploys its troops and then supports them with a gun and armor package capable of dealing with enemy small arms fire and perhaps light autocannons on enemy IFVs--and, in many cases carries a small number of ATGMs in order to give itself a chance if it runs into enemy tanks.
wrong, moron
>Light tanks have bigger guns while IFV have some kind of machinegun or chaingun.
Eh, not really a good way to divide them up, especially when it comes to looking at historical examples. Modern light tanks do definitely tend to have larger caliber guns because it’s redundant for them to have the same guns as IFVs in modern warfare doctrine, but light tanks early on had very small guns, some even just had machine guns. The CV-90 has a larger caliber gun than a bunch of WW2 era light tanks and the BMP-1 has a 73 mm smoothbore gun which basically gives it the same caliber size as most medium tanks in WW2. You could slap a low velocity 120mm on an IFV and it would still be an IFV, it just wouldn’t be a very good one. Really you should only divide IFV from light tanks on the basis of troop carrying capacity and doctrinal use since historically their combat capacity overlapped so aggressively.
they did this in world war 2
I HATE Kangaroo spam so much.
Grab some beer and that looks like a frickin awesome Saturday afternoon
>mfw ww2 experimental tech safer than a russian IFV
Anyone else used to do this as a kid?
>grew up with a Irish pointer
>I would lay on a blanket and give him a corner for tug of war
>he would drag me around the kitchen
I haven't thought about that in a decade, I still miss you Sam.
why not post sam then?
that is a lady dog pictured
Because I'm old and any photos of Sam are at my mums place on paper.
Samantha.
>give him a corner
>he would drag me
Didn't know dogs could be trannies
I had a dog named Sam when I was a kid too. RIP buddy, see you on the other side.
Same here, the frick? We even did the sheet pulling thing
Yeah, mine dragged me arpund on a towel or rug when I was little. You can't beat a dog named Sam. Mine was a shepherd/beagle mix.
hope the tank doesnt need to back up at any point
>*hits a mine*
>you're not dying bro, hang in there
>whilst we put you in this coffin shaped box
tbh you'd take it if it was your only option, and ofc many casualties are pretty out of it anyway (i.e. due to shock, blood loss, ketamine, etc)
Kamikaze was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that
is there at least a little tv screen that i can watch season 1 of the bear on?
To get to watch an unskippable ad, it's practically the same.
Alright but I swear to god it better not be for raid shadow legends
>This rescue has been brought to you by RAID:Shadow Legends
You can let me out here. Yes, I know we're 5000 feet in the air over jagged rocks in the middle of nowhere.
[ground crews noticed the injured grunts screaming in muffled agony as they approach the aircraft]
>Command refuses to remove adds. Claims it motivates the troops to fight harder.
An offer you can't refuse.
Remember what they took from you.
yeah
soul
It brings on many changes.
If mobiks have taught me anything, it's that suicide isn't painless.
Sure as long as this plays during the entire duration of the flight
Claustrophobia, much? It would be better with a window or with sedation but as is this is basically packing someone into a coffin before they're dead.
If the choice is between that and no casevac i would chose this.
It's all a step to reaching the tech necessary for drop pod deployment.
How about a cup of liber-tea
Does it extract semen from israeli soldiers post mortem for Israel? Or is that a separate drone.
No thanks, that pod door doesn't look like it can be opened from inside
Imagine being inside that thing when it's getting EW'd, landed, and can't be found because it's painted like that
Stupid design, half of the american military would be too far to fit in it anyway.
call me a pussy if you like, but if I were designing this, I would be looking at a window in the nose, or two windows at the sides, and most importantly, a little mobile phone-sized screen on the top of the hatch, which gives the person inside information of time to landing, and ideally a map with "you are here"
I can see being packed into a box, presumably when wounded, with a load of noise but no information - particularly how long this is going to last - being cause for panic and disorientation.
At the very least a GPS display yeah. Some people might be afraid of heights so maybe drop the windows, I've known people who are OK in 737s but get fricking terrified in ferris wheels or small helicopters because there's less apparent "structure" around them.
window blinds you can pull down would be obvious soution.
I figure the "in a glorified coffin with no light from outside" is what's likely cause panic. the GPS/Info is what gives you a sign its only temporary.
Not knowing how long you're in the coffin is what freaks you out, more than knowing you're in a coffin, if that makes sense. And little things like portholes to let you get light in can radically change a person's perception of how claustrophobic a location is. I've never been evacuated after a warfare injury, but I've been in an air ambulance, and when you hurt and are disoriented like that, that's when you can start to panic even further - especially without someone beside you to say "you'll be ok, we're landing in 5 mins"
That'd be me. I am fine with a 737 but a cessna and having doors flimsier than my car door but 1000 feet or so made my gorilla brain go OOK OOOK OOOK meltdown.
My girlfriend is the same anon. Fine with 737s/A320s IRL, could even play DCS in VR flying something like a F/A-18, got a bit weird about the F-16 (apparently the feeling of sitting "on top" of the plane instead of in it spooked her), had a panic attack on a ferris wheel about half way up the thing and refuses to get in any helicopter. She's mentioned being nervous about having to go in an medical helicopter even, and those things are huge.
I think it's just a monkey brain thing as you said.
Agreed, I would even go as far as to have a parachute trigged by a decent rate over X.
this is never gonna be a thing just due to the fact of how many people its gonna make puke
ITT:
>wow that's fricking stupid it's literally a coffin what kind of russian/chinese insectoid contraption is this
>*sees the BAE logo*
>you know what this is actually pretty smart and efficient, it sure beats laying the the mud hehe
More like
>OP thinks it's moronic
>everyone points out it's been done before
>most agree it's better than bleeding out in a ditch
Nobody ever said that dumbass, quadcopters of this size are more than capable of transporting ~100 kg loads. Are you annoyed one of your Ukraine slide threads got deleted?
If it keeps you in the golden hour, sure, why not give it a go? Can think of a bunch of awkward terrain where having a personal casevac drone could save your life without having to send two guys back to carry you.
Ukrainians in Bakhmut and other heavy areas of the front have complained about being unable to CASEVAC people by any way other than light vehicles speeding down roads trying to dodge ATGMs, so this could be a good solution for that scenario. It can fly low to the ground between obstacles (so mines and destroyed vehicles aren't an issue), it can dodge between trees, and when it's away from enemy forces it can climb.
It could also be helpful for outposts. Instead of having to drive minimum a humvee or M113/similar to a location to pick up wounded you can just send out one of these.
Lets be honest here. If it can carry a grown man, then sure as frick someone will get a idea to sling a bundle of 155mm shells under it and make a funny video.
>windowless coffin
Don't know about that one chief
If both sides agree to paint them white with a red cross sure. To the ones who want a window mate one of your legs is gone somebody just pumped a shot of morphine in you and youre out cold for the ride.
>If both sides agree to paint them white with a red cross sure
That isn't going to change anything, both sides will be landing them next to trenches full of ammo and food.
>muh both sides
If you think nations facing complete destruction don't warcrime for any advantage they can get you are delusional.
I sure as shit hope they pumped me full of drugs first. Just imagine being fully cognizant because you've got a concussion and they don't want to put you on pain meds.
I've been hit with a pretty heavy dose of fentanyl for a major accident before, it does not put you out, it just numbs the pain. Druggies taking massive doses that put them on their asses isn't normal medical dosage.
Objectively a good idea but its shaped like a pod so we cant like it
Skyhook needs to come back
You mean the Fulton Extraction system? Because technically that system that let biplanes dock with zepplins was known as Skyhook
I vould like to live in zat
VEDEVEH at Hostomel seems to be delivered that way
>wasting resources and manpower on evacuating casualties
That’s stupid
is that how Solid Snake entered Shadow Moses in the first 3d game?
Why not have the person pilot the drone and turn it into a flying infantry. Maybe this will make paratroopers (dronetroopers?) viable again.
Too dark inside, needs a window.
I hope that's not really how the container locks together on the production model; it looks sketchy af.
think it floats or will it fill with water
There's a point where this needs to stop and we have clearly passed it.
I'm light and small so it should be ok
but I think the average soldier or slightly heaver / bulky types would reduce the performance of the lifting platform
i am 6 ft 3 and 250 lbs. good luck drone
>well, looks like the explosion took off both his legs from the knee down...
>You have been demoted to manlet
I wonder if they plan on sedating the guy before putting him in a dark metal box or if there's a screen and some speakers to play calming videos and music. I mean I can't be the only one that thinks being shot and then put in a flying metal coffin wouldn't be downright terrifying. I'm not claustrophobic at all but they have to understand someone wounded is gonna not be in the best state of mind and may thrash about in fear
there's a screen and you can watch tik toks of how the frontline is doing while it flies you out.
>get shot in the leg, bleeding but yougonnamakeit.jpg
>head is full of adrenaline and morphine
>they put you in a small dark space for a bumpy ride all alone
that thing is going to break people unless you sedate them to hell and back first
>The Bae-pod
How did they miss the chance to anthropomorphize the shit out of it and advertise it with a cute nurse drone logo? Are they stupid?
What happens if your condition worsens while in the pod? I think pulling corpses out of there would worsen morale.
No, I think a medical team is needed for casualties if for no other reason than to keep them sane and comfortable.
>What happens if your condition worsens while in the pod? I think pulling corpses out of there would worsen morale.
The drone dumps your corpse mid flight to save power and returns to the field to evacuate someone else.
>Drone encounters turbulence.
>Heart monitor electrodes get dislodged
>Drone registers this as patient dying
>Live patient gets dumped out at 5000 feet.
>flying machine
>blends in with the ground
>you vill get evacuated in ze pod
Oh no, ive seen how that goes
good idea
That would make for a great "Saddam Hussein in Red" meme