Unless you're willing to concede and manage to negotiate their withdrawal from the country, its not possible. America stopped ground operations against the taliban in 2014 and in 2020 they stopped providing air support for the ANA in accordance for the doha agreement.
>ad hominems
Anon, Afghanistan is not a good example because of how the taliban were forced to go to the negotiation table. Because after 2014, the only thing that wiener blocjed the taliban from taking over Afghanistan was small wing of american air support.
So just like the Viet Cong? Tire your enemy out in decades of guerrilla warfare until they sign a 'treaty' with you to save face which you immediately betray without repercussions?
Anon, there was barely any fighting in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the very definition of a low intensity conflict because either the taliban gets destroyed by coalition forces or they hide until the coalition is gone and start targeting Afghan republic affiliates. The peak of US involvement in Afghanistan was in 2010-12. After that, there was barely 2k in the country alone until the doha agreement happened. The taliban made concessions about distancing themselves from al-Qaeda and also commit to anti terrorist commitments. In exchange america gets to leave and the americans/taliban establish a cease fire with each other.
> over 116000 men either lost or hurt by foe
Why do you downplay the War in Afghanistan? The war shows that NATO cant turn a Muslim country into a liberal country for long
11 months ago
Anonymous
There was barely that much fighting and barely 100 U.S. soldiers die each year in Afghanistan. Afghanistan by definition was a low intensity conflict. Especially after 2014 when operational objectives changed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most of the fighting was between Afghan troops and Taliban, not between Jihadis and NATO especially as NATO reduced their numbers and were hold up at forts to fly planes
11 months ago
Anonymous
>injured
Those injuries are vague as frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>> over 116000 men either lost or hurt by foe >posts a picture showing less than half that many casualties when you include contractors rather than just NATO military
What did he mean by this?
I think that OP (and in extension, Stonetoss), is trans.
The North Vietnamese Army did the vast majority of the fighting in Vietnam, because they were actually properly equipped, supplied, and trained. The Vietcong is kind of a meme.
>>>or all the chechen insurgents who all died...
Actually the son of the leader of the Chechen rebellion is now the president of chechnya which is borderline independent from Russia. Bad example.
Taliban had constant gibs from Pakistan which allowed them to fight ad infinitum. Are you willing to shill out to a foreign country? (Probably China/Iran/Russia/Norks)
>you willing to shill out to a foreign country?
The only reason the US exists is constant gibs from France during the Revolutionary war, so it wouldn't be anything new.
How will the US government exist if the citizens don't want to play ball? Fighting an insurgency overseas is one thing, but going against one that has access to your instructor is suicide
>Pakistan a country woth a military budget of $ 8 billion >managed to support talibs against tge worlds strongest economies.
Have you ever thought that, the Mutt strategy from the get go was dum?
>Have you ever thought that, the Mutt strategy from the get go was dum?
This. We started a war, with no clear end goal, fought forever, got bored, then left with no exit strategy. Thankfully we learned this lesson and our leaders aren't planning another forever war against something equally intangible like drugs. Also without local support, and without any sort of clear ending, and without a strategy for peace afterwards.
Pakistan gave refuge to the jihadis, but thats more incompetence than evil intent. The country has over 200 million people and more Pashtuns than even Afghanistan has. Her North West Frontier province (now called Khyber Paktunwa) is a lawless wild west where the troops are holed up in forts. The jihadis just get cash from taxing folks like the poppy farmers and they buy guns from workshops. They craft their own bombs. Then they cross the unguarded "border" to Afghanistan, raid NATO and Afghan posts, lay traps like mines and ambush to hit patrols and pursuers, then leave. Most "men" there were boys no older than 14
>Pakistan gave refuge to the jihadis, but thats more incompetence than evil intent.
Bin laden was found living 2 mi away from the Pakistani army officer training academy while his neighbors all knew him as Mr bin laden. That's not even incompetence that's just being borderline moronic.
The very moment the US ends up in a civil war, you can bet your sweet cuppin' cakes that every actor that wants to see a weaker America will be helping the revolutionaries.
The only way a civil war could happen in America is if the government strayed from the world elite's path, in which case Israel would be the biggest supporter of the rebels
>were like the hecking talibans guys! >no were not like the iraqi insurgents who all died... >or all the chechen insurgents who all died... >d-dont pass another AWB or ill ill try and sue you really hard!
>>>or all the chechen insurgents who all died...
Actually the son of the leader of the Chechen rebellion is now the president of chechnya which is borderline independent from Russia. Bad example.
Doesn't matter kek Russian laws don't apply in chechnya, Putin has to consistently bribe him to not ape out, openly traffics in chechnya with prosecution etc
>the iraqi insurgents >who then murdered most of the country to the point of causing an international refugee crisis >and ended in the nation becoming an iranian puppet
i don't get it anon, are you saying you're fine with the US becoming iraq?
>insurgents get uppity because of various reasons >americans/russians move in to b***hslap them >bloody initial phase until all the insurgents are killed and youre left with larpers >keep the peace by throwing some bread at new gov >local police deal with the occasional LARPers who try and fulfill their ancestors wishes
This is your fate lmfao, russia and the US objectively won
You do realise the US had to leave Iraq right? You do also realise that the US sponsored regime in Iraq fell pretty much instantly, right? You're high on copium anon. The Iranians won in Iraq, and Kadyrov won in Chechnya.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>iranians won in iraq
Not talking about them, talkin on how your homosexual insurgencies rose up and got stomped down during 2003-2017 (and the few larpers left now) >and Kadyrov won in Chechnya.
sure he won(by becoming putins wienersleeve bravo lmao), but those who wanted an independent Chechnya got fricking b***h slapped and are all 6 feet under lmao
also >comparing yourself to muslim fanatics
Your homosexual insurgency pipe dream will never be real, and if and larpers pop up to try anything they will be handled swiftly and promptly by the CIA/FBI/ local LEO
You will never be a real insurgent. You have no bombs, you have no will, you have no bumpstocks. You are a larping homosexual man twisted by memes and incels into a crude mockery of jihadi fanaticism.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “goons” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You seem nervous.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Glowies gonna glow
11 months ago
Anonymous
>hehe homosexual insurgencies, words words words
Let me simplify it for you because you have a reading comprehension level worse than a fifth grader. You don't need an insurgency to "win", by having an insurgency at all you irreparably damage a nation state. You can kill literally every single "LARPer" if you want, it won't unfrick your country, and you'll suddenly become someone else's b***h. Do you really want the US to go down that path? I'm saying this with sincerity, I love the US, I'm a pretty moderate guy all in all, and I'm probably going to invest in Lockheed Martin or Boeing stock, but you're extremely deluded if you think this scenario ends in anything other than a complete clusterfrick for all involved. You start drone striking Americans, you start getting an OKC every other day, you start seeing desertions and attacks on military bases, you might even see some places seceding (unless it's poor blacks, for some reason they're free game a la the MOVE bombing).
Right now, there's little reason for people to start anything. The closest you'll get are some fundies getting uppity about something like trannies, or the Trump indictment, or who knows what. Most everyone else is content with just living life and non-compliance in the face of moronic laws. Instead of sabre rattling, just accept that's a good status quo to maintain and stop acting like a Zigger.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it won't unfrick your country
So? The ZOG will remain in control and now they have a righteous justification for oppressing you. You'd damage your own nation for nothing, and that's treason.
You start doing terrorism every day and GWOT is going to look like a walk in the park.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Even a single percent of the male population operating as hostile agents could permanently cripple the logistics of the nation and there isn't a single thing that the government could do to stop them.
Team Fed is cities only, cities are massive tumors that need constant feeding from their enemies. There aren't enough drones or soldiers on the planet to protect America's power grid or interstate system. A week without power and Black folk would be barbequing the white cityoids in the street.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>by having an insurgency at all you irreparably damage a nation state >i dealt some damage so i won! >You can kill literally every single "LARPer" if you want, it won't unfrick your country, and you'll suddenly become someone else's b***h. >the us will become.....the EU'S(who else realistically) b***h in my pipe dream insurgency
you cant actually believe what youre typing right now >Do you really want the US to go down that path?
killing a few bandits is no problem, weve been doing it for 20+ years afterall > but you're extremely deluded if you think this scenario ends in anything other than a complete clusterfrick for all involved.
A clusterfrick for you when you become a living turkeyshoot for special forces lmfao >You start drone striking Americans, you start getting an OKC every other day, you start seeing desertions and attacks on military bases, you might even see some places seceding
No lol, you wont be considered an american if shit pops off youll simply be labeled as another bandit/terrorist by every media outlet >local formation of terrorists deleted by the 11th attack squadron! >report any suspicious activity!
also I doubt it would ever escalate to drone strikes, just three letter agencies + special forces rofl stomping homosexual larpers
>Right now, there's little reason for people to start anything. The closest you'll get are some fundies getting uppity about something like trannies, or the Trump indictment, or who knows what. Most everyone else is content with just living life and non-compliance in the face of moronic laws. Instead of sabre rattling, just accept that's a good status quo to maintain and stop acting like a Zigger.
Pendos, armed to the teeth but cowards. They talk a lot but dont do shit lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dumb. Frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>this screencap is objectively true because uhhhhh i like it!
this is why i hate PrepHole NPCs so much. you morons tout your individualism and free-thinking but cling to greentexts like they are law. you realize that greentext was probably written by some bored grunt on an army base right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Profoundly moronic glowie doesn't have any compelling counter arguments to a legendary PrepHole greentext because he's objectively wrong
Many such cases
11 months ago
Anonymous
>a legendary PrepHole greentext
its only legendary because it was the 'tips fedora' moment for wannabe revolutionaries. before that, none of them had a single real argument against 'cant beat them drones' but now they had their own fun catch phrase: "an f-16 can't police a street corner!" without really understanding what that meant but they didn't care, they finally had their zinger.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It isn't true because I don't like it
Add to it the fact that drone operators have families.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Add to it the fact that drone operators have families.
ok cool, how are you finding these families, how are you kidnapping them, how are you spinning the optics of this to not demonize your movement?
also, what if the government specifically chooses drone operators who have zero ties to their families?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>kidnapping
Why do you think it's gonna be a kidnapping and not a suicide vest attack or spray and pray shooting? Oh that's right fed glow Black folk try kidnapping all the time so you are just reading your "So you want to be CIA" informational booklet at Langley.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Why do you think it's gonna be a kidnapping and not a suicide vest attack or spray and pray shooting?
1. stop comparing yourself to muslim fanaticals lmao pendos dont have the strength to pick up a gun let alone a suicide vest
2. youre not about to do a fricking drive by on a military base
https://i.imgur.com/YCLVLSu.png
You seem like the kind of person to have a Blue Lives Matter sticker on their rear window and a bunch of vaguely patriotic stuff on their Facebook page (if you even have the latter).
[...]
You are a terrorist if you kill unarmed civilians. How the frick does Dorner relate to what I've told you? Quit wanking off to the idea of blowing up civilians because you got pissy over someone telling you it's moronic to needlessly start shit.
[...]
I'm telling you what will happen if you start pissing off large segments of your population. For God sake man, Waco and RR were enough to cause OKC. You don't kill civilians en masse without it causing problems, you should know this already. Quit being a moron for five minutes.
>moron still thinks an armed combatant is a civillian the second he hides his gun >in any timeline da gubment is just going to start killing (actual) civillians en masse because...........they just will okay?
You need to go back.
The frick happened to /k/, literally nothing but boot licking Black person lovers and reddit israelites sucking globalist wiener.
touch grass, sorry for stomping out your little insurgency pipe dream
11 months ago
Anonymous
>in any timeline da gubment is just going to start killing (actual) civillians en masse because
Because accurately separating irregular combatants from the civilian population they're from is really hard, and everyone who has ever tried to do so inevitably catches some actual civilians? Even if we take the government's figures and definitions of combatant/noncombatant at face value, around 11% of drone strike kills were innocent civilians between 2011 and 2017. Let's take the threeper's eponymous rule of thumb at face value, limit it to men between the ages of 18 and 45, and say the government attempts to drone a quarter of them. That's still over forty-five thousand dead innocents.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No gun no opinion lol post gun
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'll play your Incel games, in return post evidence that you've had sex in the past 30 days
11 months ago
Anonymous
We won in Iraq, you're getting Iraq confused with Afghanistan
11 months ago
Anonymous
where is the evidence youve had sex?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You seem like the kind of person to have a Blue Lives Matter sticker on their rear window and a bunch of vaguely patriotic stuff on their Facebook page (if you even have the latter).
>you are a terrorist.
No you aren't. Source: those cops who drone-bombed a cop killer. Refusing to wear a uniform doesn't make you a protected murderer. You, and you alone, are fantasing aobut murdering American soldiers' children because you hate them for following the law.
You are a terrorist if you kill unarmed civilians. How the frick does Dorner relate to what I've told you? Quit wanking off to the idea of blowing up civilians because you got pissy over someone telling you it's moronic to needlessly start shit.
[...] >dey gone drone strike da civilians
if you pick up a gun against the gov you are not a civilian but a combatant, and with you talking about how youre going to funky town military families you cant backpedal on this statement
I'm telling you what will happen if you start pissing off large segments of your population. For God sake man, Waco and RR were enough to cause OKC. You don't kill civilians en masse without it causing problems, you should know this already. Quit being a moron for five minutes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Waco and RR were enough to cause OKC
Waco was a false flag and Tim was a patsy
11 months ago
Anonymous
You need to go back.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The frick happened to /k/, literally nothing but boot licking Black person lovers and reddit israelites sucking globalist wiener.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Grow up. Get a real job and a wife. Maybe then you won't be laughed out of the room every time you bring up your dumb political opinions.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You couldn’t stop Black folk from burning down a PD and federal courthouse in Wisconsin. They then proceeded to match across the city and burn cars. One 17 year old tried to stop them when they burned a car lot owned by a friend (you might of head of him in the news). That’s literally the side you’re cheerleading for and the people who guided/oversaw their destruction of literal America lol. FFS your national guard kneeled
11 months ago
Anonymous
oh god hes resorting to BLM riot posting.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I fail to see the issue, an insurgency in the US would destroy the nation in a matter of months to a few years. There is no winning against it, in Iraq it didn't matter if we shit down the nation and policed the frick out of it because we didn't lose anything.
If we shut down any major city in the US congratulation you now have destroyed your own economy and caused massive unrest. Without them sweet tax dollars the government is useless, it can't even pay it's troops it's using to subjugate the people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I fail to see the issue, an insurgency in the US would destroy the nation in a matter of months to a few years. >meanwhile in reality, North Ireland still isn't independent
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You do realise the US had to leave Iraq right?
Are you sure you're not confused? The US still has active military bases in Iraq.
>You do also realise that the US sponsored regime in Iraq fell pretty much instantly, right?
You're DEFINITELY confused, because the entire point of a transitional government is to transition to a democracy. You know, where elections happen.
>The Iranians won in Iraq
I'm going to assume you mean politically and you just missed the news of Iran's political puppets being absolutely BTFOd, because the only alternative is you're from an alternate timeline where Iran won the war, the US invaded and were later kicked out by a Shia insurgency of some sort. If that is true, please tell us more about your world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Are you sure you're not confused? The US still has active military bases in Iraq.
And?
>You're DEFINITELY confused, because the entire point of a transitional government is to transition to a democracy. You know, where elections happen.
Right, because Iraq is a prospering democracy these days.
>I'm going to assume you mean politically and you just missed the news of Iran's political puppets being absolutely BTFOd, because the only alternative is you're from an alternate timeline where Iran won the war, the US invaded and were later kicked out by a Shia insurgency of some sort. If that is true, please tell us more about your world.
Obviously politically, war is an extension of politics, not the other way around. Some morons fired qassam rockets at a base and got stomped, ooooooh scary. You still haven't convinced the populace to like you and now they suck Tehrani wiener for gibs.
Doesn't matter kek Russian laws don't apply in chechnya, Putin has to consistently bribe him to not ape out, openly traffics in chechnya with prosecution etc
>if you become a Fleshlight to the tyranny-- you win
>the iraqi insurgents >who then murdered most of the country to the point of causing an international refugee crisis >and ended in the nation becoming an iranian puppet
i don't get it anon, are you saying you're fine with the US becoming iraq?
You don't have to defeat the oppressor's military, you only have to make it impossible for them to enforce their laws.
Small arms are the necessary and sufficient weapon to achieve this.
>Unlike in Afghanistan, the US armed forces aren't thinking of leaving the US anytime soon.
That's true and I don't think America is going to be invaded anytime soon.
The difference being most of the Taliban were extremely religious and willing to keep dying like flies to the point the US just realized there was no point fighting them because no matter how many they killed they just kept coming back.
Most Americans don't even wanna risk getting fined.
>The difference being most of the Taliban were extremely religious and willing to keep dying like flies ... Most Americans don't even wanna risk getting fined.
I'm not expecting too many of the would-be revolutionaries in the U.S.A. to be willing to strap an IED to their kid and send them walking toward the nearest convoy. I suppose it's theoretically possible, but when Americans go hiking, it's usually for recreational purposes and they bring their kids with them along with their Yeti coolers.
Where, pray tell, do you expect drone operators operating on domestic soil to work from? How, pray tell, are you going to prevent them or their families being suspended from an overpass Funky Town style? How pray tell are you going to prevent servicemembers from going apeshit on each other once they find out some other unit bombed their family home?
You morons didn't think this through.
>Where, pray tell, do you expect drone operators operating on domestic soil to work from?
Your local police department. It's not the military but they do have ranks and tactical gear, which is not bad in itself, but pitching the tactisexual look to Meal Team Six is just plain mean. XXXXL Is not a rank! Snatch-and-grab teams have to train for more than high-speed cheeseburger runs through the drive-thru.
If we're discussing civil war scenario, the US Armed Forces are invariably going to wind up being about as compromised as the ANA so it would make little difference. Either they would have to cut troop numbers down to politically reliable force that is incapable of holding onto entire swathes of territory or have an Army that is invariably prone to mutiny.
I like tigers... The animal
They're absolutely adorable creatures (so long as they're not hungry)
the taliban won their country back. if not through battle they won by making the us' position in afghanistan untenable. in a colonial war it's always the accountants who surrender, not the generals
the US tried to help afghani people form a proper country but middle eastern people can only be three things, inbred serfs, corrupt hedonists or religious extremists. the moment we gave them the reigns the entire country fell apart.
>if not through battle they won by making the us' position in afghanistan untenable. i
They didn't, though. The US could have financially and militarily oppressed them another 20 years. They won because the US got bored, annoyed, and took pity on them instead of slaughtering them all.
> the US could have oppressed them for another 20 years
Another 20 years of American vets blowing their brains out. More American troops died from suicide than there were jihadi suicide bombings
Majority of the people that blew their brains out did not see combat in any form. Pretty sure majority of the suicides you're talking about are from national guards. In which case, its an issue to how soldiers are able to go back to normal life than them getting into combat. Billy at a rando national guard base may have committed suicide because he didn't get the proper help he needed to go back to civilian life and also recieve VA benefits.
afghanistan itself by being the eternal shithole made the US leave
the taliban just blew up a truck every once in a while and chilled in pakistan
the afghan societal structure and difficulty of carving out a modern democratic state out of a nation stuck in the medieval times is what made the US position in afghanistan unsustainable, that and of course that we were not getting benefits out of it anymore
I unironically believe we should have open source documentation on how to build and operate heavier weaponry than guns. I don't think it would be that hard to put together either
jet turbines yes, you'll probably have to dig for guidance systems. you will never personally look yourself because you lack the drive to even make your own firearms.
yeah and you are vulnerable to sword bombs. unlike afghanis, you are not willing to blow yourself up in a suicide attack. most americans are not willing to do that because most of us are not absolutely convinced we go somewhere when we die.
Where, pray tell, do you expect drone operators operating on domestic soil to work from? How, pray tell, are you going to prevent them or their families being suspended from an overpass Funky Town style? How pray tell are you going to prevent servicemembers from going apeshit on each other once they find out some other unit bombed their family home?
You morons didn't think this through.
11 months ago
Anonymous
*You* didn't think this through. Drones are satcom operated. They can be outsourced to an anonymous pilot in China or Switzerland and land in Canada, Mexico or Russia and you can't do shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cool
>rapes and kills his entire family >uploads the footage
11 months ago
Anonymous
nice power fantasy. how are you going to find out who the drone operators are? they would be living on base, their families too if the government was worried they're a liability.
you heard someone on PrepHole say drone pilots have families that are vulnerable and immediately started parroting it every time someone says 'cant beat them drones' because you are desperate for a counter-argument.
do you think the taliban/isis didn't have the funds or means to kidnap or murder the families of drone operators?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>nice power fantasy
Yes, I agree you do have a nice power fantasy of thinking the US military has ever been capable of defeating a partisan force and not running away with their balls tucked behind
11 months ago
Anonymous
How are they going to run away from their own country? You've committed the classic Sun Tzu error of not leaving an escape route, which makes you vulnerable to a force famous for its capability at pure k/d ratios on partisans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>drones bro >sun tzu >k/d ratio
Go ahead and tell me all about psyops too
11 months ago
Anonymous
> psyops
You're in one. You're fantasizing about doing evil to patriotic Americans and thereby discrediting your movement which is what the opposition wants. You're an agent of psychological warfare and you're so owned, so demoralized you don't even know it. You think anyone trying to snap you out of your schizo spiral is an evil fed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You're fantasizing about doing evil to patriotic Americans
I'm not the one wanting to bomb civilians because they got mad
11 months ago
Anonymous
Timothy McVeigh is burning in hell. Cry harder.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's your final answer? Imaginary places that never existed?
11 months ago
Anonymous
In reality America is under firm control of the American people, American military, and American government; so keep seething. If you ever act on your disgusting beliefs you'll get what he did.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In reality America is under firm control of the American people
Bro I'm American and even I know that isn't true
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you'll get what he did
Everyone dies anon, Hell doesn't exist and you're scared of a final outcome that doesn't happen
11 months ago
Anonymous
>a final outcome that doesn't happen
you mean nonexistence? thats a pretty final and scary outcome.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You were mentioning hell
11 months ago
Anonymous
only if ur a b***h
11 months ago
Anonymous
This
Colonel H. Stinkmeaner said "Hell ain't shit!"
11 months ago
Anonymous
This
Colonel H. Stinkmeaner said "Hell ain't shit!"
>false bravado to help you when the dread comes when you're trying to sleep
11 months ago
Anonymous
Y'know for all the civil war and insurgency talk, I think America's pretty cool and comfy, but I think we all know what you said is complete bull. Plus, y'know, the dude was suicidal already, he wasn't exactly afraid of consequences so the threat of death isn't really some "Gotcha!" to these folks.
I think we can all accept that there are some improvements that can be made and these hypotheticals ought to stay hypothetical.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>my side will just exist in a perfectly self sustaining bubble even though your side does all the production that keeps me from being cannibalized by Black folk every single day.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'll totally have the backing of the average working American while I go around murdering the wives and children of other Americans for my cause!
>net fiscal loses to the us >anti-gun >weak sub-85 IQ
All those thing statistically correlate to brown genius.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>they would be living on base, their families too if the government was worried they're a liability.
You mean the military bases that everyone knows about and are clearly marked on maps? The military bases that are not self sufficient and rely on importing food from the surrounding area which may or may not be hostile? The military bases that also rely on parts and materials manufactured in other parts of the country that have to be transported to them through that same area?
>do you think the taliban/isis didn't have the funds or means to kidnap or murder the families of drone operators?
Yes. I beleive they didn't have the funds or means to repeatedly conduct armed kidnappings or assualts on US soil just to go after a specific soldiers family.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They can be outsourced to an anonymous pilot in China or Switzerland and land in Canada, Mexico or Russia and you can't do shit. >Handing over TS/SCI related shit to random morons in foreign hostile nations
And you think everyone else is LARPing. moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so youre going to do all the following with a straight face >im going to make a super sophisticated plan to attack my local airbase >then im going to attack the base housing >locate, kidnap their families successfully >who totally dont own guns xddd >MP/secfo doesnt exist xddd >and murder them, aswell and secfo/MPS >im going to successfully escape the base with their families >now with local + state law enforcement on my ass >with EVERY three letter agency on my ass >then im going to execute them
good plan
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, moron. Corporal Johnny McGee who had his kid get hit by shrapnel from Frickface Burgersmith's reaper is going to go postal when he receives news his kid died in the ER. You fricking dolt. If people find out the address of an operator after such a tragedy, and they're within two states, they'll probably pay it a visit too. Stop being a dumbass an accept your idea is moronic from the get go. Even Americans in Afghanistan had to deal with the local Afghani army turning on them every five minutes, alongside the mortar strikes and car bombs. Don't shit where you eat.
>it won't unfrick your country
So? The ZOG will remain in control and now they have a righteous justification for oppressing you. You'd damage your own nation for nothing, and that's treason.
You start doing terrorism every day and GWOT is going to look like a walk in the park.
You fricked the justification the moment you started killing your own citizens dumbass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're the only person advocating murdering American soldiers' kids because their parents might defend the country against OKC-style mass murdererers. You're a piece of shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you drone strike civilians, you are a terrorist. You are exerting lethal force on non-combatants for political gain. You are the text book definition of a terrorist. You share more in common with the average suicide bomber than I, especially since I'm just holding up a mirror to your moronic tyrant wank fantasy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you are a terrorist.
No you aren't. Source: those cops who drone-bombed a cop killer. Refusing to wear a uniform doesn't make you a protected murderer. You, and you alone, are fantasing aobut murdering American soldiers' children because you hate them for following the law.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>"aaaaa you can't drone strike me I decide who dies" -t. serial killer ass incel Black person murdering* innocent people because he can't follow the law
*fantasizing. We all know you're too much of a coward to ever act on your degenerate narcissism.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're moronic and incapable of engaging in discussion. Your glowie fantasies of door kicking and/or massacring civilians with drones are extremely cringe. You will never be a tier one operator.
>Waco and RR were enough to cause OKC
Waco was a false flag and Tim was a patsy
Schizophrenic but tell me more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I actually agree with Waco being a false flag too
11 months ago
Anonymous
Mhmmm, bootloader must taste good this time of year. Get fricked Black person loving zog bot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>murder the children of those who oppose your ideal American Empire
Yeh
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you drone strike civilians, you are a terrorist. You are exerting lethal force on non-combatants for political gain. You are the text book definition of a terrorist. You share more in common with the average suicide bomber than I, especially since I'm just holding up a mirror to your moronic tyrant wank fantasy.
>dey gone drone strike da civilians
if you pick up a gun against the gov you are not a civilian but a combatant, and with you talking about how youre going to funky town military families you cant backpedal on this statement
11 months ago
Anonymous
You really don't think some nutter will just strap 20 pipe bombs to themselves and drive full speed into a barracks building. So what if they don't kill the family of the drone operator that specif8cally killed their kin, it sends a message that they ar vulnerable. Why do you think Haji terrorists randomly detonate Svests, it's not a surgical strike more like blindly throwing a rock and hoping to hit at least 1 window.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You really don't think some nutter will just strap 20 pipe bombs to themselves and drive full speed into a barracks building. >t. someone who isn't from the US
Suicide bombers really aren't common outside of religious extremists who have been convinced that's what their god wants.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sigma rule #087: Torture and mutilate women and children and hang their ruined corpses from public areas to gain public support and show the justness of your cause to the American public (This will not alienate or horrify potential moderate or neutral supporters, pinky promise)
>search "did i strike a nerve" on pastebin >you now can make nerve agents >mix nitric acid and glycerin >add diatomaceous earth or sawdust >you have have a way to aerosolize the nerve agents >take to urban area populated with those you hate >detonate >eat >sleep >repeat
How are drones going to counteract that? Being brave moronic shtiskins never won a war, genocide has won every war when it has been properly imprinted. I'm more murderous than the government and immune to reprisal, society collapses. I murder everybody I don't like. I win.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Society will get along fine without you, larper. It's not like you're contributing anything anyway.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Too bad because in this hypothetical I don't die while they do. What your homosexual society wants won't stop people from shitting themselves to death. Terrorists don't tend to drop dead when their ideological opponents signal their moral superiority at them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I was only pretending to be a terrorist!
You don't have the balls. "homosexual society" aka productive civilization has preemptively defused you and turned you into a coping loser fantasizing about hurting innocents, which ensures your political beliefs will always be rightfully condemned by normal people.
That's if you believe in MKULtra deradicalization efforts ofc. I think it's not society which castrated you. You debased yourself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Now I won't say what I do or don't do but look up the missing persons reports for Clearfield and Jefferson County PA. Those counties are 99%+ white yet nearly all the missing perons are not white. Many non-white individuals find their houses burnt down. Many people who offer their houses for Section 8(for the money) to import non-white find those properties burnt down if they are lucky. They found 400 bodies in the Moshannon State forest over the last 5 years and none of them were white as determined by the dentition. Now I have a camp up there and I don't shit where I eat so those 400 at least aren't mine. But every time you homosexuals whistle in the wind about how everybody you fear is a larper just remember that. Or don't believe me, it really makes no difference and serves my purposes just as well. Honest question, since darkies have no utility to you why don't you want them gone? I'm not even talking about killing them, why don't you want them to cease to exist as a factor in this empire if they have no utility to you and only serve as an impediment to your interests?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>they're not disgusted by me! they're not laughing at me! they're, uh, afraid of me!
Coping by changing your terrorist larp theme for a serial killer theme? Gross.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You do realize that serial murder for political reasons is by definition terrorism right? Terrorism doesn't require a weapon with an area of effect, assignation of political opposition with fricking poisoned toothpaste is terrorism, just ask Mossad.
> the US could have oppressed them for another 20 years
Another 20 years of American vets blowing their brains out. More American troops died from suicide than there were jihadi suicide bombings
Combat forces generally don't have problems unless they are wrangled in from general enlistees. The door kickers like murder and excitement. I mean if you wanted to pacify Afghanistan you could just murder the entire population to a man, that would certainly lead to peace and be a more expedient method of achieving victory. Can't have an insurgency if there is no population to be insurgent.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if you wanted to pacify Afghanistan you could just murder the entire population to a man
The Soviet Union did that and still got btfo. And if liberalism requires murdering more people than Mao ever could, perhaps its not worth it
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Soviet Union did that and still got btfo
Did I say kill 20% of the population? Did I say kill everyone who opposes you? No, I said KILL EVERYONE. Shoot every goat. Drive over every field with a mine clearer. Poison every well. Kick over every pile of more than 3 stones. Total Sandmonkey Death.
>liberalism requires murdering
Imply that I'd do it for liberalism. I'd do it because the pebbles under their feet are worth more than their lives. I want all the land everywhere for me.
Those are 40-80 year old technologies at this point. It's actually a huge obstacle to freedom that the wider populace is so ignorant of them. I feel similarly about microelectronics, power generation, nuclear tech, and chemistry. We need a better educated people to be free and prevent power from overconcentrating in the hands of a nefarious few who will seek to subjugate us.
dude you can learn that stuff right now. the only thing stopping you is your drive, which you lack. all you want to do is b***h.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's not about just me. People don't een know this information is out there and that they can understand it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>People don't een know this information is out there
u sho bout dat
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most people don't even know how easy it is to make a machine gun. It's just not in the public conscience the way it should be
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that one guy machining autosears by the hundreds a day
Imagine...
11 months ago
Anonymous
it doesn't need to be in the public conscience, anyone who wants to learn can learn it quickly and easily. stop trying to make it sound like this shit is obfuscated on purpose. research is always going to take a modicum of effort.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It does actually. Having it be in the public conscience is a hedge against tyranny much the same way private weapon ownership is. Right now most of the population is ignorant of the fact this information is so readily available to them
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Right now most of the population is ignorant of the fact this information is so readily available to them
do you actually know that? it seems to me like you've been talking out your ass this whole time and simply want americans to tear down our functional but not-perfect country.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>do you actually know that?
With regards to nuclear tech, yes, I am acutely aware. >want americans to tear down our functional but not-perfect country.
What do you base this on?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, everybody knows. Street Black folk have Glock switches and blast each other daily. Stop pretending petty crime is some high-minded patriotic myth only you are moral enough to jerk off too.
The difference being most of the Taliban were extremely religious and willing to keep dying like flies to the point the US just realized there was no point fighting them because no matter how many they killed they just kept coming back.
Most Americans don't even wanna risk getting fined.
A situation like what happened in the middle-east wouldn't happen in the states because 99.9999% of people are at least tolerant of the government as long as they get there bread and circus and feel like there's people in it that represent their interests. But for the sake of the argument, lets pretend every man, woman and child in some southern state was in agreement that they want to secede from the US. Sure, the US could roll in with tanks and jets and occupy the state to maintain order. The question is how long until the other states are tired of pouring money into keeping this one state in line and hearing about soldiers constantly getting killed in ambushes over and over and over again. You also can't just flatten the rogue state into a parking lot because almost nobody would support doing something like that.
Americans won’t do anything and already live in a very comfy country. Best thing to do is to have kids, a marriage, be self sustainable and build communities
American conservatives from what we have seen will March themselves into prison and not do anything and now the demographic of Whites who will actually do something and is getting replaced by 70iq Latinx who are just Democrat slaves
Obviously, but incels hate successful people who do this and fantasize about murdering their kids, although they launder their beliefs through the lens of civil war in hope they won't be found out.
6 year term limits and a ban on geriatrics would probably help a little but honestly politician types in general tend to be a little fricked in the head so there's only so much you can do.
What's funny to me about the militia "well the Taliban won so therefore an insurgency sounds like a good idea I think" is that the Taliban was a political organization with structure that had meetings and committees and administered areas they controlled. They collected taxes. They provided services. They provided some semblance and law and order and security in areas under their control (albeit in a rough-and-ready religious beardo style). They did a lot of things governments do in a country in which there was very little central government control where most of the population lived. And they recruited cadre out of religious schools with structure and discipline and a hierarchy.
And it was after they had all that did they make videos of jumping through flaming hula hoops and looking cool and driving around in pink Toyotas.
I'm not an expert on the Taliban, but wars are political. Ukraine has an army. It also has a government. The U.S. has a government. Afghanistan... didn't. Really. It was a sack of people hanging onto U.S. government cash, and once the cash ran out, it collapsed, because there wasn't really anything... there. But the Taliban was there. Because the Taliban already ran everything.
Which OP doesn't do. Does he even know the name of his mayor? His local city council members? If you ask me, in the U.S., threats of violence and civil war are best made by old men sitting in a BarcaLounger in front of a 19" television while watching Gunsmoke reruns. Preferably after six Coors and a bag of Spicy Doritos.
>direct attacks because he didn't just get a dozen replies of 'based' to his original post and had to actually argue with people who don't fold after he posts a single gotcha image from his 'argument winners' folder.
Yeah that's also true. A lot of people think it's just gonna be some situation where some Good Old Boys go out and slot feds or whatever, but all that ends up in is some dead morons, some grieving families, a headline and then the world keeps on turning. Things tend to fizzle out before they ever get to the point of warfare, especially so in a place as decentralized as the US, it's the whole point of federalism after all. Go to some city or town council meetings, have some input, bring some friends. It's probably mostly boomers so be a little politically active and don't feel the need to be restricted to any one party line. Hell, even voting can help, you don't actually need to vote for either party, sometimes just doing it for the ballot initiatives is a good idea.
There's probably somewhere in the US you can fit in, regardless of who you are. That's the beauty of it, and it ought to stay that way. It's when people start trying to enforce their will on others in a way that can't be escaped that problems start to arise.
>There's probably somewhere in the US you can fit in, regardless of who you are. That's the beauty of it, and it ought to stay that way. It's when people start trying to enforce their will on others in a way that can't be escaped that problems start to arise.
Yeah that's America. It's a country where, theoretically, a drag queen in a Phyllis Diller fright wig can co-exist with the Amish without destroying each other. But everyone is also trying to influence the situation in some kinda way, or do whatever it is they're doing and "doin' it on purpose."
When this attitude comes back around on us is exerting aggression I think... like the U.S. military shows up in a country and it's going to just blast "America" at everything around them as we deploy air-dropped Burger Kings because the more badass you are, the less likely people are gonna wanna mess with you. Americans want to be treated like the troops liberating Paris where you give a thumbs up and look cool doing it. Trump's supporters act like this. The irony is that the LGBT Pride and drag queens, which they're reacting to, are doing it too, it's like a logical extension of the same culture and attitude and 80s Boomerism about keeping your chin up and influencing the situation and inspiring other people by your example in a highly public fashion.
I think the Trump supporters with big, brash pickup trucks flying Trump flags during the 2020 election actually did this while thinking it would inspire people to vote for Trump because of how badass they were supposed to look. It's a funny thing. But I think it actually got on people's nerves too after a certain point. So you have to be careful with it. The drag queens probably have to back off a bit to keep it well regulated. It's hard to demand people reign it in tho.
Americans can also have a wise-cracking Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck sense of humor. They're all real Americans for sure, which is something you can say about them:
>comparing a counter-insurgency occupation halfway across the world in mountainous terrain vs religiously motivated zealots to a domestic crackdown of first worlders
absolutely moronic.
>Right just harass the government until it packs up and goes.... oh right the government already is home so they can't just pack up and leave
There was literally nothing that the Taliban could have done to stop the US from camping in Afghanistan another 200 years killing their children and great grandchildren.
Based on the state of the board it's been flooded with shills since uke war and was probably pretty bad before that because it's a chan board that lets people learn about weapons.
No country that fights by RoE and LOAC has won a single war since the ~~*lawyers*~~ invented "war-crimes" in 1946 to justify their Nuremburg show-trials of the failed Nazis.
Even the Soviets in Afghan were bound by 'international PR' to not go total-war on the Muj.
It was only when nobody cared about Chechens as an internal matter that were they able to turn Grozny into a traditional razed-earth victory.
Shooty shooty pew pew pew!
Let's all learn what guns can do!
Liberals in the USA
Love to nod their heads and say,
"You bought your guns from a store!
You can't fight a civil war!
Fight the army, you will lose!
They have jets and tanks to use!"
That's not where the story ends!
They have homes, and kids, and friends!
Tyrants threaten you with bombs?
Just remember: they have moms!
You can't live inside your jet!
Can we find you? Yes, you bet!
You send soldiers and marines
Up against AR-15s?
They're outnumbered ten to one.
That is why I need a gun.
Don't forget, because it's true:
Government is scared of you.
>They have homes, and kids, and friends!
Killing people who are not involved in the conflict and have no responsibility for the actions of the hostile power is a disservice to any cause and immediately can be turned into justification for violent counteraction, mass repressions, worsening of imprisonment conditions, mass executions in retaliation etc.
Americans are big larpers who never dealt with modern guerilla warfare or almost third-worldish rule on their own land.
The Taliban and even the Vietcong never managed to actually beat the US military. They got utterly destroyed in direct combat. The reason they both won in the end is that it's impossible to get rid of them permanently and it's impossible to permanently occupy a country like Vietnam or Afghanistan with sufficient military presence. You can't say this about the US. They absolutely can and would send in the army to shut down dissidents.
That being said, it's worth keeping your guns simply to have more of a chance than zero.
You just need the support of every single enemy of your government and sacrifice 55,000 insurgents over a 20 year long guerilla war that results in the utter destruction of your country. Seems like a reasonable deal, no?
I think failure of american army in afghanistan can directly be compared to failure of ukraine nato mercenaries in the smo. arrogance against force seen as weaker but ultimately their technological wonder weapons cannot beat enemy who knows terrain and is able to knuckle down and persevere
>I think failure of american army in afghanistan can directly be compared to failure of ukraine nato mercenaries in the smo. arrogance against force seen as weaker but ultimately their technological wonder weapons cannot beat enemy who knows terrain and is able to knuckle down and persevere
The failure in Afghanistan was because we dumped food and free money on them creating a shit economy where all you could do was cowtow to an American aligned regime that gets gibs. Farmers were growing poppies because food prices collapsed and no one did anything to establish an actual economy with the tribals.
Yeah bro the United States Military will totally get bored and leave the United States after 2 decades of your militia hiding in the Canadian Rockies and slaughtering you whenever you poke your head into the country.
If they think the us goverment is going to handle an internal, armed, insurrection like a "democracy building" adventure, like vietnam or the gwot, they are going for a bad time, a very, very bad one.
If they piss the feds hard enough it won't be afghanistan with all the roes and shit, it will be the Philippine-American war, you know, the COIN conflict America won but no one like to get into details about how.... for reasons.
>Half the govt
They've spent the last 30 years proofing for that my guy by ousting those that they feel would resign in the event of something like that and replacing them with those that won't. It's been a very long game.
To be fair, the people like that tend to be some of the most physically unfit and mentally deranged individuals on the planet, there are few exceptions.
>aaaa they didn't give us enough welfare -t. loser identifying with a faction defeated by the feds
The feds compromised instead of going full force and destroying southern culture like the Republicans wanted.
I'm not even Southern dumbass, they completely left Southern political institutions intact which directly led to the perpetuation of the Lost Cause myth, which in turn stripped African Americans of their civil rights pretty much a generation post-war. They also decided it'd be a great idea to place a bunch of military training camps there and name them after dead Confederate leaders, because all these former Confederates got leadership positions and started influencing federal and state level politics again.
The reason they compromised by the way, is because full scale occupation was not at all tenable, and people were already pretty tired with the war. I like Sherman posting as much as the next guy, but when you're actually threatening full scale annihilation, folks tend to fight with all they got left, which means bad news if you're already struggling to keep the peace. I mean for frick sake, some Confederates didn't even surrender then, bandits and insurgents were still a problem post-war. This bloodthirsty fed larp is tiresome, it was a problem of logistics and competency, not some massive display of mercy.
>it was a problem of logistics and competency, not some massive display of mercy.
That's how the merciful view has been rationalized, since it won out and the north settled for Reconstruction, but the men of the time, particularly the Radical Republicans felt differently.
Yeah political radicals feel animosity, but that doesn't affect material reality. The reality is if they tried they'd get swamped and it'd cause a litany of issues.
Ask the Philippine revolutionaries about that, oh, yeah, that's right, no one survived and the ones who did behaved very well after the war was over.
You all are making the mistake of confusing restraint with fear, that's a mistake you do once.
Unironically half the government will resign in protest if that happens
>Unironically half the government will resign in protest if that happens
Or after the third or four terrorist attack of fundie/far rigth/three percenter/incel militas against some urban center the public opinion decides that going medieval against them is the only solution to their problem.
The "wrath of the meek" has enabled terrible things in the past.
>Or after the third or four terrorist attack of fundie/far rigth/three percenter/incel militas against some urban center the public opinion decides that going medieval against them is the only solution to their problem.
This. In the event of a civil war you can expect pretty much immediate false flags from the government to justify whatever they feel like doing.
this is the same government that came up with a plan to convince insurgents they were being hunted by vampires
there's no way they wouldn't plan false flags to justify hunting their enemy down with impunity
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the government coming up with wacky psyops to frick with the enemy means that they'd have no reservations about killing their own people
Explain your logic here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
if they're willing to burn children alive when they hear about the possibility of them being abused, they'll certainly turn against evil right wing terrorists.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if they're willing to burn children alive
The Branch Davidians burned themselves alive.
it will be even better for a domestic insurgency.
the taliban couldnt kill raytheon employees.
US citizens can.
And the main thing we have learned from the ukraine war is how fast ammunition gets depleted.
>And the main thing we have learned from the ukraine war is how fast ammunition gets depleted.
Yeah, that's a problem that some domestic insurgency in the US would be encountering long before the US military.
Its not fantasy it fricking happened in Ukraine and at the expense of many professional military units of Russias armed forces, turns out soldiers arent mindless killbots.
>the US Army is just going to abandon tons of gear without destroying it like the Russian Army
lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
I thought we moved on from talking about Afghanistan
11 months ago
Anonymous
The US Army destroyed the equipment it left behind in Afghanistan you moron. The equipment the Taliban ended up with was the equipment the US government gave to the ANA over the years.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So it's fine so long as they pawn it off to a proxy first? That makes it so much better anon, thanks for enlightening everyone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So it's fine so long as they pawn it off to a proxy first?
What proxy would they be giving significant quantities of equipment to in the US to make this applicable to this discussion?
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's these things called State Governments anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
>state governments are just going to hand over the national guard's equipment
Lol, and I'd like to remind you that the US didn't simply destroy the equipment they left with the ANA because there was a ceasefire between the US and the Taliban that wasn't broken. If a state was to do something similar with the goal of fighting the US government, you'd see national guard armories in that state either secured or destroyed by the US government before that state could do much of anything.
11 months ago
Anonymous
In a political civil war scenario where its neoliberal/economic left versus conservative/economic right you would have chaos in the early important days as random people may not show up for duty or worse. In an external threat case like say China bumrushing California in a moronic Call of Duty plot tier attack you are absolutely right as division in the ranks would almost evaporate as the number of far left communist infiltrators in the US military is dwarfed by the number of conservatives or anti left wing individuals in the military. If you really want to talk about civilians shooting eachother you will absolutely need to rely on the police as a mass force of bodies that have civil unrest training down. You will not create anything but a Black Hawk Down tier situation if you send 18 year old zoomers in to an area that has a dispersed domestic insurgent presence that is locally supported and you can't just bomb the frick out of things like you could in Afghanistan.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What the frick are you on about?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Adults are talking realpolitik, shoo child.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Literally none of that has anything to do with what I posted.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Please take your meds, schizo
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The US Army destroyed the equipment it left behind in Afghanistan you moron.
So those videos of the Taliban riding around in Humvees are just a meme then
11 months ago
Anonymous
>moron can't even read two whole sentences >thinks he stands a chance against the US government
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bro you are fricking moronic they are literally selling m4s in the gun markets in Afghanistan.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Again since you didn't read it the first time. The equipment the Taliban ended up with was the equipment the US government gave to the ANA over the years.
It isn't the tanks and planes that are the issue, its the Feds, State Police, and local cops that are the issue. Any would be insurgent movement is going to be destroyed before it gets off the ground unless they either have perfect opsec or the powers that be repeatedly drop the ball. Both are possible, but incredibly unlikely.
Armed Americans aren't all going to be as determined as the Taliban but the sheer numbers of them are enough to warrant never trying to take away guns. >an awb would only prevent the sale of new weapons as well as be a boon for panic buyers who can now mark up prices for pre-ban stuff
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>>an awb would only prevent the sale of new weapons as well as be a boon for panic buyers who can now mark up prices for pre-ban stuff
This has always been the case, and only morons on gun boards will tell you that it might not be. Even Canada works that way with simply moving weapons to prohibited status where existing owners get to keep them but they can't be sold and are handed over to the government when the owner dies.
Ultimately the Taliban was almost completely contained on the opposite side of the planet. They could only damage what we put there. If the entire population of Afghanistan was teleported into the united states spread out amongst the machinery and logistics of the nation, they could would done infinitely more damage.
>afghan peasants live in compounds to protect against bandits and tribal warfare >american hillbillies live in trailers
Arabs are shit at conventional warfare, Americans will be shit at unconventional warfare
You are thinking of an American civil war as a repeat of the Revolutionary War or modeling it on foreign insurgencies. But if such a thing did happen it would a be a white nationaist revolt against the state wherein the target wasn't miltiary personnel but rather civilians, ie anybody who isn't white with preference for israelites. Such an insurgency wouldn't try to bushwack patrols or get into firefights in the woods. Insuregents tend to loose those engagements anyway regardless of the specific war we are talking about. Rather they'd cut off utilities to urban centers(almost entirely non-white) these days. Destroy shipments of food or medicine to such places. Randomly kill anybody they saw they didn't like. Us nerve agents on major population centers. The war would be against the govenment but the coercion wouldn't be even classical terrorism. It would be murdering 100 million people or making life so shit they run away, thereby removing any political impetus against them in the first place. They probably would murder the families of military personnel who openly spoke against them but the activities they are engaging in aren't really something you can counter with drones. Unless you want to watch the entire population 24/7. And that itself would alienate the population and undermine the government position. That's how they would fight, that's the only way I've ever hear of them fighting along with simple political assassinations.
>surveillance cameras and droning terrorists in wartime will alienate Americans but terrorism and mass murder wouldn't
Is this schizophrenia? The mental inability to reconcile opposing beliefs is one of the symptoms IIRC.
Most rural whites are very racist if you talk with them in confidence and would have zero problem with the murder of people they hate. Women might not like it but their opinions are irrelevant.
See when somebody kills a black or even causes thousands of blacks to die by creating chaos in say Baltimore that has very little effect on a rural white. They might even find it amusing, as they find the constant murders the gang bangers commit on each other amusing already. While government actions against the effect THEM. They want their political opposition to suffer but will not tolerate imposition on their own lives. That is the attitude of a winner, take everything, never compromise, and if the opposition objects murder them. It worked on coal companies up here for a century. We were never abused and we also never had untions until 1919 unless the mine was full of wops or poles. Because if anybody stepped out of line whether owners, pinkterons, management, unionists, ect they were quietly murderd. Often they were burned in their sleep with their entire family. This isn's just about race you understand. Around these parts people simply murder, it is an expedient solution to the problem. If nobody knows who did it you can't very well suffer negative repercussions can you?
>Up north
Where, exactly?
My understanding of much of American coal mining history was that it was very exploitative towards the workers. Company towns and such.
>unconventional war
America is good at both conventional and unconventional war. The main issue is that america has a hard time establishing a proper host nation within a nation that is in chaos.
I think OP is a homosexual today as he is every day.
I am genuinely a homosexual IRL unironically
which of you motherfrickers taught sticks how to type?
Unless you're willing to concede and manage to negotiate their withdrawal from the country, its not possible. America stopped ground operations against the taliban in 2014 and in 2020 they stopped providing air support for the ANA in accordance for the doha agreement.
That’s like a CNN journalists siting huffington post. You just exist in a circle jerk of gay astroturfing and are probably a furry
>ad hominems
Anon, Afghanistan is not a good example because of how the taliban were forced to go to the negotiation table. Because after 2014, the only thing that wiener blocjed the taliban from taking over Afghanistan was small wing of american air support.
So just like the Viet Cong? Tire your enemy out in decades of guerrilla warfare until they sign a 'treaty' with you to save face which you immediately betray without repercussions?
Anon, there was barely any fighting in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the very definition of a low intensity conflict because either the taliban gets destroyed by coalition forces or they hide until the coalition is gone and start targeting Afghan republic affiliates. The peak of US involvement in Afghanistan was in 2010-12. After that, there was barely 2k in the country alone until the doha agreement happened. The taliban made concessions about distancing themselves from al-Qaeda and also commit to anti terrorist commitments. In exchange america gets to leave and the americans/taliban establish a cease fire with each other.
> over 116000 men either lost or hurt by foe
Why do you downplay the War in Afghanistan? The war shows that NATO cant turn a Muslim country into a liberal country for long
There was barely that much fighting and barely 100 U.S. soldiers die each year in Afghanistan. Afghanistan by definition was a low intensity conflict. Especially after 2014 when operational objectives changed.
Most of the fighting was between Afghan troops and Taliban, not between Jihadis and NATO especially as NATO reduced their numbers and were hold up at forts to fly planes
>injured
Those injuries are vague as frick.
>> over 116000 men either lost or hurt by foe
>posts a picture showing less than half that many casualties when you include contractors rather than just NATO military
What did he mean by this?
I include NATO's ally; the Afghan army
How is the American government going to go home from America, Black person?
The South isn't rising again.
who said anything about the south
Finally, a fellow NVA. I wish Covington didn't die so early, the movement has grown threefold at least since his death
>NVA
fictional organization (atm)
we NF my feller
>jet turbines
>fire and forget guidance systems
https://github.com/topics/autonomous-flight
>grown threefold
An increase in adherents to 300 from 100 is not something to brag about.
Mass deportation.
I think that OP (and in extension, Stonetoss), is trans.
The North Vietnamese Army did the vast majority of the fighting in Vietnam, because they were actually properly equipped, supplied, and trained. The Vietcong is kind of a meme.
Loving Every Laugh.
Can you prove they're wrong? Do you have any sources proving them wrong?
>and are probably a furry
w-why would you say that anon?...
Yeah you're a real badass OP, you should kick things off and I'm not a CIA agent!
I kick things off in the bedroom if you know what I'm saying? *Kck* *kck*
Taliban had constant gibs from Pakistan which allowed them to fight ad infinitum. Are you willing to shill out to a foreign country? (Probably China/Iran/Russia/Norks)
Isnt Pakistan basically an ally of China?
Superpowers have no allies, just interests. Or however the quote goes
It's complicated. They're technically an ally with the US but they do a shit job of it. They just hate India at the end of the day.
I highly doubt they were our ally when they were openly hiding Osama bin laden right next to a Pakistani military base
>you willing to shill out to a foreign country?
The only reason the US exists is constant gibs from France during the Revolutionary war, so it wouldn't be anything new.
How will the US government exist if the citizens don't want to play ball? Fighting an insurgency overseas is one thing, but going against one that has access to your instructor is suicide
>Pakistan a country woth a military budget of $ 8 billion
>managed to support talibs against tge worlds strongest economies.
Have you ever thought that, the Mutt strategy from the get go was dum?
>Have you ever thought that, the Mutt strategy from the get go was dum?
This. We started a war, with no clear end goal, fought forever, got bored, then left with no exit strategy. Thankfully we learned this lesson and our leaders aren't planning another forever war against something equally intangible like drugs. Also without local support, and without any sort of clear ending, and without a strategy for peace afterwards.
Pakistan gave refuge to the jihadis, but thats more incompetence than evil intent. The country has over 200 million people and more Pashtuns than even Afghanistan has. Her North West Frontier province (now called Khyber Paktunwa) is a lawless wild west where the troops are holed up in forts. The jihadis just get cash from taxing folks like the poppy farmers and they buy guns from workshops. They craft their own bombs. Then they cross the unguarded "border" to Afghanistan, raid NATO and Afghan posts, lay traps like mines and ambush to hit patrols and pursuers, then leave. Most "men" there were boys no older than 14
>Pakistan gave refuge to the jihadis, but thats more incompetence than evil intent.
Bin laden was found living 2 mi away from the Pakistani army officer training academy while his neighbors all knew him as Mr bin laden. That's not even incompetence that's just being borderline moronic.
Im not speaking of Bin Laden. His role after 9/11 was just being a mascot. Im talking about the ran and file Taliban
My point being that the country of Pakistan openly shielded Muslim terrorists and we did nothing about it
>Are you willing to shill out to a foreign country? (Probably China/Iran/Russia/Norks)
Half of these groups are already on the payroll of the FSB (the other half are on the FBI's) so that's kinda a given.
The very moment the US ends up in a civil war, you can bet your sweet cuppin' cakes that every actor that wants to see a weaker America will be helping the revolutionaries.
If it was going to happen it was going to be 2020 and it didn't because everyone b***hed out.
The only way a civil war could happen in America is if the government strayed from the world elite's path, in which case Israel would be the biggest supporter of the rebels
If a government uses tanks on their own people they kinda proved the opposition is right.
Harder to do when the tanks and planes don't have the option of just going home because the fight is already there
>were like the hecking talibans guys!
>no were not like the iraqi insurgents who all died...
>or all the chechen insurgents who all died...
>d-dont pass another AWB or ill ill try and sue you really hard!
>>>or all the chechen insurgents who all died...
Actually the son of the leader of the Chechen rebellion is now the president of chechnya which is borderline independent from Russia. Bad example.
That's fricking hysterical, pretending Khadyrov isn't Putin's wienerholster.
Doesn't matter kek Russian laws don't apply in chechnya, Putin has to consistently bribe him to not ape out, openly traffics in chechnya with prosecution etc
Without*
>insurgents get uppity because of various reasons
>americans/russians move in to b***hslap them
>bloody initial phase until all the insurgents are killed and youre left with larpers
>keep the peace by throwing some bread at new gov
>local police deal with the occasional LARPers who try and fulfill their ancestors wishes
This is your fate lmfao, russia and the US objectively won
You do realise the US had to leave Iraq right? You do also realise that the US sponsored regime in Iraq fell pretty much instantly, right? You're high on copium anon. The Iranians won in Iraq, and Kadyrov won in Chechnya.
>iranians won in iraq
Not talking about them, talkin on how your homosexual insurgencies rose up and got stomped down during 2003-2017 (and the few larpers left now)
>and Kadyrov won in Chechnya.
sure he won(by becoming putins wienersleeve bravo lmao), but those who wanted an independent Chechnya got fricking b***h slapped and are all 6 feet under lmao
also
>comparing yourself to muslim fanatics
Your homosexual insurgency pipe dream will never be real, and if and larpers pop up to try anything they will be handled swiftly and promptly by the CIA/FBI/ local LEO
You will never be a real insurgent. You have no bombs, you have no will, you have no bumpstocks. You are a larping homosexual man twisted by memes and incels into a crude mockery of jihadi fanaticism.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “goons” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
You seem nervous.
Glowies gonna glow
>hehe homosexual insurgencies, words words words
Let me simplify it for you because you have a reading comprehension level worse than a fifth grader. You don't need an insurgency to "win", by having an insurgency at all you irreparably damage a nation state. You can kill literally every single "LARPer" if you want, it won't unfrick your country, and you'll suddenly become someone else's b***h. Do you really want the US to go down that path? I'm saying this with sincerity, I love the US, I'm a pretty moderate guy all in all, and I'm probably going to invest in Lockheed Martin or Boeing stock, but you're extremely deluded if you think this scenario ends in anything other than a complete clusterfrick for all involved. You start drone striking Americans, you start getting an OKC every other day, you start seeing desertions and attacks on military bases, you might even see some places seceding (unless it's poor blacks, for some reason they're free game a la the MOVE bombing).
Right now, there's little reason for people to start anything. The closest you'll get are some fundies getting uppity about something like trannies, or the Trump indictment, or who knows what. Most everyone else is content with just living life and non-compliance in the face of moronic laws. Instead of sabre rattling, just accept that's a good status quo to maintain and stop acting like a Zigger.
>it won't unfrick your country
So? The ZOG will remain in control and now they have a righteous justification for oppressing you. You'd damage your own nation for nothing, and that's treason.
You start doing terrorism every day and GWOT is going to look like a walk in the park.
Even a single percent of the male population operating as hostile agents could permanently cripple the logistics of the nation and there isn't a single thing that the government could do to stop them.
Team Fed is cities only, cities are massive tumors that need constant feeding from their enemies. There aren't enough drones or soldiers on the planet to protect America's power grid or interstate system. A week without power and Black folk would be barbequing the white cityoids in the street.
>by having an insurgency at all you irreparably damage a nation state
>i dealt some damage so i won!
>You can kill literally every single "LARPer" if you want, it won't unfrick your country, and you'll suddenly become someone else's b***h.
>the us will become.....the EU'S(who else realistically) b***h in my pipe dream insurgency
you cant actually believe what youre typing right now
>Do you really want the US to go down that path?
killing a few bandits is no problem, weve been doing it for 20+ years afterall
> but you're extremely deluded if you think this scenario ends in anything other than a complete clusterfrick for all involved.
A clusterfrick for you when you become a living turkeyshoot for special forces lmfao
>You start drone striking Americans, you start getting an OKC every other day, you start seeing desertions and attacks on military bases, you might even see some places seceding
No lol, you wont be considered an american if shit pops off youll simply be labeled as another bandit/terrorist by every media outlet
>local formation of terrorists deleted by the 11th attack squadron!
>report any suspicious activity!
also I doubt it would ever escalate to drone strikes, just three letter agencies + special forces rofl stomping homosexual larpers
>Right now, there's little reason for people to start anything. The closest you'll get are some fundies getting uppity about something like trannies, or the Trump indictment, or who knows what. Most everyone else is content with just living life and non-compliance in the face of moronic laws. Instead of sabre rattling, just accept that's a good status quo to maintain and stop acting like a Zigger.
Pendos, armed to the teeth but cowards. They talk a lot but dont do shit lmao
Dumb. Frick.
>this screencap is objectively true because uhhhhh i like it!
this is why i hate PrepHole NPCs so much. you morons tout your individualism and free-thinking but cling to greentexts like they are law. you realize that greentext was probably written by some bored grunt on an army base right?
>Profoundly moronic glowie doesn't have any compelling counter arguments to a legendary PrepHole greentext because he's objectively wrong
Many such cases
>a legendary PrepHole greentext
its only legendary because it was the 'tips fedora' moment for wannabe revolutionaries. before that, none of them had a single real argument against 'cant beat them drones' but now they had their own fun catch phrase: "an f-16 can't police a street corner!" without really understanding what that meant but they didn't care, they finally had their zinger.
>It isn't true because I don't like it
Add to it the fact that drone operators have families.
>Add to it the fact that drone operators have families.
ok cool, how are you finding these families, how are you kidnapping them, how are you spinning the optics of this to not demonize your movement?
also, what if the government specifically chooses drone operators who have zero ties to their families?
>kidnapping
Why do you think it's gonna be a kidnapping and not a suicide vest attack or spray and pray shooting? Oh that's right fed glow Black folk try kidnapping all the time so you are just reading your "So you want to be CIA" informational booklet at Langley.
>Why do you think it's gonna be a kidnapping and not a suicide vest attack or spray and pray shooting?
1. stop comparing yourself to muslim fanaticals lmao pendos dont have the strength to pick up a gun let alone a suicide vest
2. youre not about to do a fricking drive by on a military base
>moron still thinks an armed combatant is a civillian the second he hides his gun
>in any timeline da gubment is just going to start killing (actual) civillians en masse because...........they just will okay?
touch grass, sorry for stomping out your little insurgency pipe dream
>in any timeline da gubment is just going to start killing (actual) civillians en masse because
Because accurately separating irregular combatants from the civilian population they're from is really hard, and everyone who has ever tried to do so inevitably catches some actual civilians? Even if we take the government's figures and definitions of combatant/noncombatant at face value, around 11% of drone strike kills were innocent civilians between 2011 and 2017. Let's take the threeper's eponymous rule of thumb at face value, limit it to men between the ages of 18 and 45, and say the government attempts to drone a quarter of them. That's still over forty-five thousand dead innocents.
No gun no opinion lol post gun
I'll play your Incel games, in return post evidence that you've had sex in the past 30 days
We won in Iraq, you're getting Iraq confused with Afghanistan
where is the evidence youve had sex?
You seem like the kind of person to have a Blue Lives Matter sticker on their rear window and a bunch of vaguely patriotic stuff on their Facebook page (if you even have the latter).
You are a terrorist if you kill unarmed civilians. How the frick does Dorner relate to what I've told you? Quit wanking off to the idea of blowing up civilians because you got pissy over someone telling you it's moronic to needlessly start shit.
I'm telling you what will happen if you start pissing off large segments of your population. For God sake man, Waco and RR were enough to cause OKC. You don't kill civilians en masse without it causing problems, you should know this already. Quit being a moron for five minutes.
>Waco and RR were enough to cause OKC
Waco was a false flag and Tim was a patsy
You need to go back.
The frick happened to /k/, literally nothing but boot licking Black person lovers and reddit israelites sucking globalist wiener.
Grow up. Get a real job and a wife. Maybe then you won't be laughed out of the room every time you bring up your dumb political opinions.
You couldn’t stop Black folk from burning down a PD and federal courthouse in Wisconsin. They then proceeded to match across the city and burn cars. One 17 year old tried to stop them when they burned a car lot owned by a friend (you might of head of him in the news). That’s literally the side you’re cheerleading for and the people who guided/oversaw their destruction of literal America lol. FFS your national guard kneeled
oh god hes resorting to BLM riot posting.
I fail to see the issue, an insurgency in the US would destroy the nation in a matter of months to a few years. There is no winning against it, in Iraq it didn't matter if we shit down the nation and policed the frick out of it because we didn't lose anything.
If we shut down any major city in the US congratulation you now have destroyed your own economy and caused massive unrest. Without them sweet tax dollars the government is useless, it can't even pay it's troops it's using to subjugate the people.
>I fail to see the issue, an insurgency in the US would destroy the nation in a matter of months to a few years.
>meanwhile in reality, North Ireland still isn't independent
>You do realise the US had to leave Iraq right?
Are you sure you're not confused? The US still has active military bases in Iraq.
>You do also realise that the US sponsored regime in Iraq fell pretty much instantly, right?
You're DEFINITELY confused, because the entire point of a transitional government is to transition to a democracy. You know, where elections happen.
>The Iranians won in Iraq
I'm going to assume you mean politically and you just missed the news of Iran's political puppets being absolutely BTFOd, because the only alternative is you're from an alternate timeline where Iran won the war, the US invaded and were later kicked out by a Shia insurgency of some sort. If that is true, please tell us more about your world.
>Are you sure you're not confused? The US still has active military bases in Iraq.
And?
>You're DEFINITELY confused, because the entire point of a transitional government is to transition to a democracy. You know, where elections happen.
Right, because Iraq is a prospering democracy these days.
>I'm going to assume you mean politically and you just missed the news of Iran's political puppets being absolutely BTFOd, because the only alternative is you're from an alternate timeline where Iran won the war, the US invaded and were later kicked out by a Shia insurgency of some sort. If that is true, please tell us more about your world.
Obviously politically, war is an extension of politics, not the other way around. Some morons fired qassam rockets at a base and got stomped, ooooooh scary. You still haven't convinced the populace to like you and now they suck Tehrani wiener for gibs.
Did Russia win like they're winning now?
>try to be clever
>actually come off as moronic
do esls really
>everyone I disagree with is Putin's wienerholster
>All the incorrect dumb shit I post is just a disagreement
>if you become a Fleshlight to the tyranny-- you win
>the iraqi insurgents
>who then murdered most of the country to the point of causing an international refugee crisis
>and ended in the nation becoming an iranian puppet
i don't get it anon, are you saying you're fine with the US becoming iraq?
You don't have to defeat the oppressor's military, you only have to make it impossible for them to enforce their laws.
Small arms are the necessary and sufficient weapon to achieve this.
But Russia has T-I-G-E-R-S, how do you beat that?
Stop! You will attach Slavic furries!
I like tigers... The animal
Where's the sus tho?
I think it's in the airplane
The snake
Unlike in Afghanistan, the US armed forces aren't thinking of leaving the US anytime soon.
>Unlike in Afghanistan, the US armed forces aren't thinking of leaving the US anytime soon.
That's true and I don't think America is going to be invaded anytime soon.
>The difference being most of the Taliban were extremely religious and willing to keep dying like flies ... Most Americans don't even wanna risk getting fined.
I'm not expecting too many of the would-be revolutionaries in the U.S.A. to be willing to strap an IED to their kid and send them walking toward the nearest convoy. I suppose it's theoretically possible, but when Americans go hiking, it's usually for recreational purposes and they bring their kids with them along with their Yeti coolers.
>Where, pray tell, do you expect drone operators operating on domestic soil to work from?
Your local police department. It's not the military but they do have ranks and tactical gear, which is not bad in itself, but pitching the tactisexual look to Meal Team Six is just plain mean. XXXXL Is not a rank! Snatch-and-grab teams have to train for more than high-speed cheeseburger runs through the drive-thru.
If we're discussing civil war scenario, the US Armed Forces are invariably going to wind up being about as compromised as the ANA so it would make little difference. Either they would have to cut troop numbers down to politically reliable force that is incapable of holding onto entire swathes of territory or have an Army that is invariably prone to mutiny.
They're absolutely adorable creatures (so long as they're not hungry)
disingenuous because the taliban didnt "win" anything
although the "dude the government has blah blah blah" arguement is still stupid
the taliban won their country back. if not through battle they won by making the us' position in afghanistan untenable. in a colonial war it's always the accountants who surrender, not the generals
the US tried to help afghani people form a proper country but middle eastern people can only be three things, inbred serfs, corrupt hedonists or religious extremists. the moment we gave them the reigns the entire country fell apart.
>we just wanted to help them bro
tf else are they supposed to export? they have lithium but is it really better to be lithium miners than opium farmers?
And some moronic people think it's a good idea to let Black folk run anything for some reason
>if not through battle they won by making the us' position in afghanistan untenable. i
They didn't, though. The US could have financially and militarily oppressed them another 20 years. They won because the US got bored, annoyed, and took pity on them instead of slaughtering them all.
You guys said this with Vietnam too. Quit huffing the copium already.
>vietnam
>you guys
Two strikes, since I'm neither a boomer or fed. Got any more copes?
> the US could have oppressed them for another 20 years
Another 20 years of American vets blowing their brains out. More American troops died from suicide than there were jihadi suicide bombings
Majority of the people that blew their brains out did not see combat in any form. Pretty sure majority of the suicides you're talking about are from national guards. In which case, its an issue to how soldiers are able to go back to normal life than them getting into combat. Billy at a rando national guard base may have committed suicide because he didn't get the proper help he needed to go back to civilian life and also recieve VA benefits.
afghanistan itself by being the eternal shithole made the US leave
the taliban just blew up a truck every once in a while and chilled in pakistan
the afghan societal structure and difficulty of carving out a modern democratic state out of a nation stuck in the medieval times is what made the US position in afghanistan unsustainable, that and of course that we were not getting benefits out of it anymore
I unironically believe we should have open source documentation on how to build and operate heavier weaponry than guns. I don't think it would be that hard to put together either
>I unironically believe we should have open source documentation on how to build and operate heavier weaponry
we do, you're just too lazy to look.
Including jet turbines and fire and forget guidance systems?
jet turbines yes, you'll probably have to dig for guidance systems. you will never personally look yourself because you lack the drive to even make your own firearms.
We don't need those things.
They have to have boots on the ground to control an area. Boots are vulnerable to small arms.
That doesn't explain how the US controls Appalachia. There's no need for boots when you control finance.
Financial enforcement doesn't help you when all your serfs start stealing food and supplies from you and shooting at you when you object.
>Boots are vulnerable to small arms.
yeah and you are vulnerable to sword bombs. unlike afghanis, you are not willing to blow yourself up in a suicide attack. most americans are not willing to do that because most of us are not absolutely convinced we go somewhere when we die.
Where, pray tell, do you expect drone operators operating on domestic soil to work from? How, pray tell, are you going to prevent them or their families being suspended from an overpass Funky Town style? How pray tell are you going to prevent servicemembers from going apeshit on each other once they find out some other unit bombed their family home?
You morons didn't think this through.
*You* didn't think this through. Drones are satcom operated. They can be outsourced to an anonymous pilot in China or Switzerland and land in Canada, Mexico or Russia and you can't do shit.
Cool
>rapes and kills his entire family
>uploads the footage
nice power fantasy. how are you going to find out who the drone operators are? they would be living on base, their families too if the government was worried they're a liability.
you heard someone on PrepHole say drone pilots have families that are vulnerable and immediately started parroting it every time someone says 'cant beat them drones' because you are desperate for a counter-argument.
do you think the taliban/isis didn't have the funds or means to kidnap or murder the families of drone operators?
>nice power fantasy
Yes, I agree you do have a nice power fantasy of thinking the US military has ever been capable of defeating a partisan force and not running away with their balls tucked behind
How are they going to run away from their own country? You've committed the classic Sun Tzu error of not leaving an escape route, which makes you vulnerable to a force famous for its capability at pure k/d ratios on partisans.
>drones bro
>sun tzu
>k/d ratio
Go ahead and tell me all about psyops too
> psyops
You're in one. You're fantasizing about doing evil to patriotic Americans and thereby discrediting your movement which is what the opposition wants. You're an agent of psychological warfare and you're so owned, so demoralized you don't even know it. You think anyone trying to snap you out of your schizo spiral is an evil fed.
>You're fantasizing about doing evil to patriotic Americans
I'm not the one wanting to bomb civilians because they got mad
Timothy McVeigh is burning in hell. Cry harder.
That's your final answer? Imaginary places that never existed?
In reality America is under firm control of the American people, American military, and American government; so keep seething. If you ever act on your disgusting beliefs you'll get what he did.
>In reality America is under firm control of the American people
Bro I'm American and even I know that isn't true
>you'll get what he did
Everyone dies anon, Hell doesn't exist and you're scared of a final outcome that doesn't happen
>a final outcome that doesn't happen
you mean nonexistence? thats a pretty final and scary outcome.
You were mentioning hell
only if ur a b***h
This
Colonel H. Stinkmeaner said "Hell ain't shit!"
>false bravado to help you when the dread comes when you're trying to sleep
Y'know for all the civil war and insurgency talk, I think America's pretty cool and comfy, but I think we all know what you said is complete bull. Plus, y'know, the dude was suicidal already, he wasn't exactly afraid of consequences so the threat of death isn't really some "Gotcha!" to these folks.
I think we can all accept that there are some improvements that can be made and these hypotheticals ought to stay hypothetical.
>my side will just exist in a perfectly self sustaining bubble even though your side does all the production that keeps me from being cannibalized by Black folk every single day.
>I'll totally have the backing of the average working American while I go around murdering the wives and children of other Americans for my cause!
>other Americans
lmao
>hey look, they're brown!
>PLEASE FEEL XENOPHOBIC!
sorry but im too good-natured to be moronic.
>net fiscal loses to the us
>anti-gun
>weak sub-85 IQ
All those thing statistically correlate to brown genius.
>they would be living on base, their families too if the government was worried they're a liability.
You mean the military bases that everyone knows about and are clearly marked on maps? The military bases that are not self sufficient and rely on importing food from the surrounding area which may or may not be hostile? The military bases that also rely on parts and materials manufactured in other parts of the country that have to be transported to them through that same area?
>do you think the taliban/isis didn't have the funds or means to kidnap or murder the families of drone operators?
Yes. I beleive they didn't have the funds or means to repeatedly conduct armed kidnappings or assualts on US soil just to go after a specific soldiers family.
>They can be outsourced to an anonymous pilot in China or Switzerland and land in Canada, Mexico or Russia and you can't do shit.
>Handing over TS/SCI related shit to random morons in foreign hostile nations
And you think everyone else is LARPing. moron.
so youre going to do all the following with a straight face
>im going to make a super sophisticated plan to attack my local airbase
>then im going to attack the base housing
>locate, kidnap their families successfully
>who totally dont own guns xddd
>MP/secfo doesnt exist xddd
>and murder them, aswell and secfo/MPS
>im going to successfully escape the base with their families
>now with local + state law enforcement on my ass
>with EVERY three letter agency on my ass
>then im going to execute them
good plan
No, moron. Corporal Johnny McGee who had his kid get hit by shrapnel from Frickface Burgersmith's reaper is going to go postal when he receives news his kid died in the ER. You fricking dolt. If people find out the address of an operator after such a tragedy, and they're within two states, they'll probably pay it a visit too. Stop being a dumbass an accept your idea is moronic from the get go. Even Americans in Afghanistan had to deal with the local Afghani army turning on them every five minutes, alongside the mortar strikes and car bombs. Don't shit where you eat.
You fricked the justification the moment you started killing your own citizens dumbass.
You're the only person advocating murdering American soldiers' kids because their parents might defend the country against OKC-style mass murdererers. You're a piece of shit.
If you drone strike civilians, you are a terrorist. You are exerting lethal force on non-combatants for political gain. You are the text book definition of a terrorist. You share more in common with the average suicide bomber than I, especially since I'm just holding up a mirror to your moronic tyrant wank fantasy.
>you are a terrorist.
No you aren't. Source: those cops who drone-bombed a cop killer. Refusing to wear a uniform doesn't make you a protected murderer. You, and you alone, are fantasing aobut murdering American soldiers' children because you hate them for following the law.
>"aaaaa you can't drone strike me I decide who dies" -t. serial killer ass incel Black person murdering* innocent people because he can't follow the law
*fantasizing. We all know you're too much of a coward to ever act on your degenerate narcissism.
You're moronic and incapable of engaging in discussion. Your glowie fantasies of door kicking and/or massacring civilians with drones are extremely cringe. You will never be a tier one operator.
Schizophrenic but tell me more.
I actually agree with Waco being a false flag too
Mhmmm, bootloader must taste good this time of year. Get fricked Black person loving zog bot.
>murder the children of those who oppose your ideal American Empire
Yeh
>dey gone drone strike da civilians
if you pick up a gun against the gov you are not a civilian but a combatant, and with you talking about how youre going to funky town military families you cant backpedal on this statement
You really don't think some nutter will just strap 20 pipe bombs to themselves and drive full speed into a barracks building. So what if they don't kill the family of the drone operator that specif8cally killed their kin, it sends a message that they ar vulnerable. Why do you think Haji terrorists randomly detonate Svests, it's not a surgical strike more like blindly throwing a rock and hoping to hit at least 1 window.
>You really don't think some nutter will just strap 20 pipe bombs to themselves and drive full speed into a barracks building.
>t. someone who isn't from the US
Suicide bombers really aren't common outside of religious extremists who have been convinced that's what their god wants.
Sigma rule #087: Torture and mutilate women and children and hang their ruined corpses from public areas to gain public support and show the justness of your cause to the American public (This will not alienate or horrify potential moderate or neutral supporters, pinky promise)
I'm a face in the crowd. I have a gun. Who are bomb?
>Who are bomb?
Who are you going to bomb?
>search "did i strike a nerve" on pastebin
>you now can make nerve agents
>mix nitric acid and glycerin
>add diatomaceous earth or sawdust
>you have have a way to aerosolize the nerve agents
>take to urban area populated with those you hate
>detonate
>eat
>sleep
>repeat
How are drones going to counteract that? Being brave moronic shtiskins never won a war, genocide has won every war when it has been properly imprinted. I'm more murderous than the government and immune to reprisal, society collapses. I murder everybody I don't like. I win.
Society will get along fine without you, larper. It's not like you're contributing anything anyway.
Too bad because in this hypothetical I don't die while they do. What your homosexual society wants won't stop people from shitting themselves to death. Terrorists don't tend to drop dead when their ideological opponents signal their moral superiority at them.
>I was only pretending to be a terrorist!
You don't have the balls. "homosexual society" aka productive civilization has preemptively defused you and turned you into a coping loser fantasizing about hurting innocents, which ensures your political beliefs will always be rightfully condemned by normal people.
That's if you believe in MKULtra deradicalization efforts ofc. I think it's not society which castrated you. You debased yourself.
Now I won't say what I do or don't do but look up the missing persons reports for Clearfield and Jefferson County PA. Those counties are 99%+ white yet nearly all the missing perons are not white. Many non-white individuals find their houses burnt down. Many people who offer their houses for Section 8(for the money) to import non-white find those properties burnt down if they are lucky. They found 400 bodies in the Moshannon State forest over the last 5 years and none of them were white as determined by the dentition. Now I have a camp up there and I don't shit where I eat so those 400 at least aren't mine. But every time you homosexuals whistle in the wind about how everybody you fear is a larper just remember that. Or don't believe me, it really makes no difference and serves my purposes just as well. Honest question, since darkies have no utility to you why don't you want them gone? I'm not even talking about killing them, why don't you want them to cease to exist as a factor in this empire if they have no utility to you and only serve as an impediment to your interests?
>they're not disgusted by me! they're not laughing at me! they're, uh, afraid of me!
Coping by changing your terrorist larp theme for a serial killer theme? Gross.
You do realize that serial murder for political reasons is by definition terrorism right? Terrorism doesn't require a weapon with an area of effect, assignation of political opposition with fricking poisoned toothpaste is terrorism, just ask Mossad.
Combat forces generally don't have problems unless they are wrangled in from general enlistees. The door kickers like murder and excitement. I mean if you wanted to pacify Afghanistan you could just murder the entire population to a man, that would certainly lead to peace and be a more expedient method of achieving victory. Can't have an insurgency if there is no population to be insurgent.
>if you wanted to pacify Afghanistan you could just murder the entire population to a man
The Soviet Union did that and still got btfo. And if liberalism requires murdering more people than Mao ever could, perhaps its not worth it
>Soviet Union did that and still got btfo
Did I say kill 20% of the population? Did I say kill everyone who opposes you? No, I said KILL EVERYONE. Shoot every goat. Drive over every field with a mine clearer. Poison every well. Kick over every pile of more than 3 stones. Total Sandmonkey Death.
>liberalism requires murdering
Imply that I'd do it for liberalism. I'd do it because the pebbles under their feet are worth more than their lives. I want all the land everywhere for me.
Those are 40-80 year old technologies at this point. It's actually a huge obstacle to freedom that the wider populace is so ignorant of them. I feel similarly about microelectronics, power generation, nuclear tech, and chemistry. We need a better educated people to be free and prevent power from overconcentrating in the hands of a nefarious few who will seek to subjugate us.
>We need a better educated people to be free
dude you can learn that stuff right now. the only thing stopping you is your drive, which you lack. all you want to do is b***h.
It's not about just me. People don't een know this information is out there and that they can understand it.
>People don't een know this information is out there
u sho bout dat
Most people don't even know how easy it is to make a machine gun. It's just not in the public conscience the way it should be
>that one guy machining autosears by the hundreds a day
Imagine...
it doesn't need to be in the public conscience, anyone who wants to learn can learn it quickly and easily. stop trying to make it sound like this shit is obfuscated on purpose. research is always going to take a modicum of effort.
It does actually. Having it be in the public conscience is a hedge against tyranny much the same way private weapon ownership is. Right now most of the population is ignorant of the fact this information is so readily available to them
>Right now most of the population is ignorant of the fact this information is so readily available to them
do you actually know that? it seems to me like you've been talking out your ass this whole time and simply want americans to tear down our functional but not-perfect country.
>do you actually know that?
With regards to nuclear tech, yes, I am acutely aware.
>want americans to tear down our functional but not-perfect country.
What do you base this on?
Bro, everybody knows. Street Black folk have Glock switches and blast each other daily. Stop pretending petty crime is some high-minded patriotic myth only you are moral enough to jerk off too.
What are you even talking about?
i think stonetoss, like all modern political webcomics, rely entirely on ignoring reality and just saying what their audience wants to hear.
Pretty much.
The difference being most of the Taliban were extremely religious and willing to keep dying like flies to the point the US just realized there was no point fighting them because no matter how many they killed they just kept coming back.
Most Americans don't even wanna risk getting fined.
A situation like what happened in the middle-east wouldn't happen in the states because 99.9999% of people are at least tolerant of the government as long as they get there bread and circus and feel like there's people in it that represent their interests. But for the sake of the argument, lets pretend every man, woman and child in some southern state was in agreement that they want to secede from the US. Sure, the US could roll in with tanks and jets and occupy the state to maintain order. The question is how long until the other states are tired of pouring money into keeping this one state in line and hearing about soldiers constantly getting killed in ambushes over and over and over again. You also can't just flatten the rogue state into a parking lot because almost nobody would support doing something like that.
AMOGUS
The beer that started it all
Do you want to fight a multi decade war where you could die at any moment from an air strike or just accept some pretty minor concessions?
>this thread
Americans won’t do anything and already live in a very comfy country. Best thing to do is to have kids, a marriage, be self sustainable and build communities
Trad pilled
That and to take advantage of your constitutional rights as an American to affect change in your communities if you feel something is amiss
American conservatives from what we have seen will March themselves into prison and not do anything and now the demographic of Whites who will actually do something and is getting replaced by 70iq Latinx who are just Democrat slaves
Thank you for the demoralization spiel. That was very nice.
Obviously, but incels hate successful people who do this and fantasize about murdering their kids, although they launder their beliefs through the lens of civil war in hope they won't be found out.
> Best thing to do is to have kids, a marriage
Sure bud. Please take your own advice
Ok ok politics aside, can we just agree that most politicians in Congress and senate need to be lynched by their genitals?
the kinds of people who have the drive for government positions are always gonna be like that. its never not been the case.
6 year term limits and a ban on geriatrics would probably help a little but honestly politician types in general tend to be a little fricked in the head so there's only so much you can do.
yeah that's fair
>neonazi comics
I think OP is a homosexual
You know if you people throw the word "neo-nazi" around like it's nothing suddenly the word loses its meaning and nobody takes you seriously
not him but stonetoss is pretty well known to be a neo nazi
>By ummmm and ummm
You got a picture of dis homie at a klan rally or sum?
have you read his comics? they're straight up white supremacist neo-nazi agenda
This was made by the same guy lmao
it really is funny how quickly /misc/ turned in milo and tried to act like they never really liked him
>t. troony
Back to plebbit tronny israelite
there's a containment bord you know
What's funny to me about the militia "well the Taliban won so therefore an insurgency sounds like a good idea I think" is that the Taliban was a political organization with structure that had meetings and committees and administered areas they controlled. They collected taxes. They provided services. They provided some semblance and law and order and security in areas under their control (albeit in a rough-and-ready religious beardo style). They did a lot of things governments do in a country in which there was very little central government control where most of the population lived. And they recruited cadre out of religious schools with structure and discipline and a hierarchy.
And it was after they had all that did they make videos of jumping through flaming hula hoops and looking cool and driving around in pink Toyotas.
I'm not an expert on the Taliban, but wars are political. Ukraine has an army. It also has a government. The U.S. has a government. Afghanistan... didn't. Really. It was a sack of people hanging onto U.S. government cash, and once the cash ran out, it collapsed, because there wasn't really anything... there. But the Taliban was there. Because the Taliban already ran everything.
Which OP doesn't do. Does he even know the name of his mayor? His local city council members? If you ask me, in the U.S., threats of violence and civil war are best made by old men sitting in a BarcaLounger in front of a 19" television while watching Gunsmoke reruns. Preferably after six Coors and a bag of Spicy Doritos.
Didn't read lol
>Didn't read lol
>lacks the drive to read mild criticism of his beliefs
>almost certainly lacks the drive to participate in his community
are you just banking on a protagonist to take the reigns and tell you what to do?
I was hoping that Stephen Hawking would build a time machine so I could finish what your mother's abortion doctor couldn't
>direct attacks because he didn't just get a dozen replies of 'based' to his original post and had to actually argue with people who don't fold after he posts a single gotcha image from his 'argument winners' folder.
You don't think anyone gives a hoot about what you just said, do you?
I do.
I was hoping that Stephen Hawking would build a time machine so I could have dirty dirty sex with Cleopatra
>Didn't read
Yeah that's also true. A lot of people think it's just gonna be some situation where some Good Old Boys go out and slot feds or whatever, but all that ends up in is some dead morons, some grieving families, a headline and then the world keeps on turning. Things tend to fizzle out before they ever get to the point of warfare, especially so in a place as decentralized as the US, it's the whole point of federalism after all. Go to some city or town council meetings, have some input, bring some friends. It's probably mostly boomers so be a little politically active and don't feel the need to be restricted to any one party line. Hell, even voting can help, you don't actually need to vote for either party, sometimes just doing it for the ballot initiatives is a good idea.
There's probably somewhere in the US you can fit in, regardless of who you are. That's the beauty of it, and it ought to stay that way. It's when people start trying to enforce their will on others in a way that can't be escaped that problems start to arise.
>There's probably somewhere in the US you can fit in, regardless of who you are. That's the beauty of it, and it ought to stay that way. It's when people start trying to enforce their will on others in a way that can't be escaped that problems start to arise.
Yeah that's America. It's a country where, theoretically, a drag queen in a Phyllis Diller fright wig can co-exist with the Amish without destroying each other. But everyone is also trying to influence the situation in some kinda way, or do whatever it is they're doing and "doin' it on purpose."
When this attitude comes back around on us is exerting aggression I think... like the U.S. military shows up in a country and it's going to just blast "America" at everything around them as we deploy air-dropped Burger Kings because the more badass you are, the less likely people are gonna wanna mess with you. Americans want to be treated like the troops liberating Paris where you give a thumbs up and look cool doing it. Trump's supporters act like this. The irony is that the LGBT Pride and drag queens, which they're reacting to, are doing it too, it's like a logical extension of the same culture and attitude and 80s Boomerism about keeping your chin up and influencing the situation and inspiring other people by your example in a highly public fashion.
I think the Trump supporters with big, brash pickup trucks flying Trump flags during the 2020 election actually did this while thinking it would inspire people to vote for Trump because of how badass they were supposed to look. It's a funny thing. But I think it actually got on people's nerves too after a certain point. So you have to be careful with it. The drag queens probably have to back off a bit to keep it well regulated. It's hard to demand people reign it in tho.
Americans can also have a wise-cracking Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck sense of humor. They're all real Americans for sure, which is something you can say about them:
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>comparing a counter-insurgency occupation halfway across the world in mountainous terrain vs religiously motivated zealots to a domestic crackdown of first worlders
absolutely moronic.
>Right just harass the government until it packs up and goes.... oh right the government already is home so they can't just pack up and leave
There was literally nothing that the Taliban could have done to stop the US from camping in Afghanistan another 200 years killing their children and great grandchildren.
I see OP still manages to suck vast amounts of wiener, just like Stonetoss.
>seething this hard a rockthrow
damn who knew /k/ was full if leftys?
Based on the state of the board it's been flooded with shills since uke war and was probably pretty bad before that because it's a chan board that lets people learn about weapons.
No country that fights by RoE and LOAC has won a single war since the ~~*lawyers*~~ invented "war-crimes" in 1946 to justify their Nuremburg show-trials of the failed Nazis.
Even the Soviets in Afghan were bound by 'international PR' to not go total-war on the Muj.
It was only when nobody cared about Chechens as an internal matter that were they able to turn Grozny into a traditional razed-earth victory.
Then we need to legalize recreational TOWs
i doubt the american government is going to leave america
Shooty shooty pew pew pew!
Let's all learn what guns can do!
Liberals in the USA
Love to nod their heads and say,
"You bought your guns from a store!
You can't fight a civil war!
Fight the army, you will lose!
They have jets and tanks to use!"
That's not where the story ends!
They have homes, and kids, and friends!
Tyrants threaten you with bombs?
Just remember: they have moms!
You can't live inside your jet!
Can we find you? Yes, you bet!
You send soldiers and marines
Up against AR-15s?
They're outnumbered ten to one.
That is why I need a gun.
Don't forget, because it's true:
Government is scared of you.
>They have homes, and kids, and friends!
Killing people who are not involved in the conflict and have no responsibility for the actions of the hostile power is a disservice to any cause and immediately can be turned into justification for violent counteraction, mass repressions, worsening of imprisonment conditions, mass executions in retaliation etc.
Americans are big larpers who never dealt with modern guerilla warfare or almost third-worldish rule on their own land.
Prolonged war is bloody, messy and lengthy, it may last for several generations with no visible effect.
>Thoughts?
there is more to the events than meets the eye
Afganistan is fricking hardcore. I wish my country was half as cool as Afganistan.
would be funny to see one of those guys just say it:
>the government has millions of homosexuals like me that will snitch on you
The Taliban and even the Vietcong never managed to actually beat the US military. They got utterly destroyed in direct combat. The reason they both won in the end is that it's impossible to get rid of them permanently and it's impossible to permanently occupy a country like Vietnam or Afghanistan with sufficient military presence. You can't say this about the US. They absolutely can and would send in the army to shut down dissidents.
That being said, it's worth keeping your guns simply to have more of a chance than zero.
You just need the support of every single enemy of your government and sacrifice 55,000 insurgents over a 20 year long guerilla war that results in the utter destruction of your country. Seems like a reasonable deal, no?
I think failure of american army in afghanistan can directly be compared to failure of ukraine nato mercenaries in the smo. arrogance against force seen as weaker but ultimately their technological wonder weapons cannot beat enemy who knows terrain and is able to knuckle down and persevere
>I think failure of american army in afghanistan can directly be compared to failure of ukraine nato mercenaries in the smo. arrogance against force seen as weaker but ultimately their technological wonder weapons cannot beat enemy who knows terrain and is able to knuckle down and persevere
>t enemy who knows terrain
is that what you call spamming tanks until the enemy runs out of ammo?
The failure in Afghanistan was because we dumped food and free money on them creating a shit economy where all you could do was cowtow to an American aligned regime that gets gibs. Farmers were growing poppies because food prices collapsed and no one did anything to establish an actual economy with the tribals.
Eh
While they were there the towlies couldn't force them to leave
Yeah bro the United States Military will totally get bored and leave the United States after 2 decades of your militia hiding in the Canadian Rockies and slaughtering you whenever you poke your head into the country.
How the frick would you know you moronic homosexual? All you do is sit on your couch and watch Seth rogen movies with a half eaten bag of Taco Bell.
Tanks and jets cant control a city, soldiers on foot with families do
wheres the amogus i dont see it
snake
sus
The people say toss is a Nazi just because they don't agree with his political views is hella cringe and actually legitimately facist
Thats because the people who hate stonetoss want a dictatorship of the weak and moronic.
True.
Stonetoss is a nazi moron
>Calls stonetoss a Nazi
>Posts closest equivalent to American SS, a federal agent
Cope, seethe, mald
Just curious why you idolize politicized paramilitary groups when you saw what happened in Nazi Germany.
Your life is sad
lol
REMINDER
Women and Noguns get NO VOTES in a civil war, and White votes count double.
Literal Nazi photo
Is that a baby pram in the foreground
No gun no opinion
If they think the us goverment is going to handle an internal, armed, insurrection like a "democracy building" adventure, like vietnam or the gwot, they are going for a bad time, a very, very bad one.
If they piss the feds hard enough it won't be afghanistan with all the roes and shit, it will be the Philippine-American war, you know, the COIN conflict America won but no one like to get into details about how.... for reasons.
Unironically half the government will resign in protest if that happens
>things ppl said before 9/11, pearl harbor, etc
>Half the govt
They've spent the last 30 years proofing for that my guy by ousting those that they feel would resign in the event of something like that and replacing them with those that won't. It's been a very long game.
Theyve done a shit job because they cant even run a kangaroo court properly.
To be fair, the people like that tend to be some of the most physically unfit and mentally deranged individuals on the planet, there are few exceptions.
Honey, the Feds couldn't even do Reconstruction right, quit talking out your ass.
>aaaa they didn't give us enough welfare -t. loser identifying with a faction defeated by the feds
The feds compromised instead of going full force and destroying southern culture like the Republicans wanted.
I'm not even Southern dumbass, they completely left Southern political institutions intact which directly led to the perpetuation of the Lost Cause myth, which in turn stripped African Americans of their civil rights pretty much a generation post-war. They also decided it'd be a great idea to place a bunch of military training camps there and name them after dead Confederate leaders, because all these former Confederates got leadership positions and started influencing federal and state level politics again.
The reason they compromised by the way, is because full scale occupation was not at all tenable, and people were already pretty tired with the war. I like Sherman posting as much as the next guy, but when you're actually threatening full scale annihilation, folks tend to fight with all they got left, which means bad news if you're already struggling to keep the peace. I mean for frick sake, some Confederates didn't even surrender then, bandits and insurgents were still a problem post-war. This bloodthirsty fed larp is tiresome, it was a problem of logistics and competency, not some massive display of mercy.
>it was a problem of logistics and competency, not some massive display of mercy.
That's how the merciful view has been rationalized, since it won out and the north settled for Reconstruction, but the men of the time, particularly the Radical Republicans felt differently.
Yeah political radicals feel animosity, but that doesn't affect material reality. The reality is if they tried they'd get swamped and it'd cause a litany of issues.
Ask the Philippine revolutionaries about that, oh, yeah, that's right, no one survived and the ones who did behaved very well after the war was over.
You all are making the mistake of confusing restraint with fear, that's a mistake you do once.
>Unironically half the government will resign in protest if that happens
Or after the third or four terrorist attack of fundie/far rigth/three percenter/incel militas against some urban center the public opinion decides that going medieval against them is the only solution to their problem.
The "wrath of the meek" has enabled terrible things in the past.
>Or after the third or four terrorist attack of fundie/far rigth/three percenter/incel militas against some urban center the public opinion decides that going medieval against them is the only solution to their problem.
This. In the event of a civil war you can expect pretty much immediate false flags from the government to justify whatever they feel like doing.
>hurr false flag
Or the reality is that the people fighting are actually that dumb.
nta but sometimes it's both.
Government loves its false flags, though.
this is the same government that came up with a plan to convince insurgents they were being hunted by vampires
there's no way they wouldn't plan false flags to justify hunting their enemy down with impunity
>the government coming up with wacky psyops to frick with the enemy means that they'd have no reservations about killing their own people
Explain your logic here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
if they're willing to burn children alive when they hear about the possibility of them being abused, they'll certainly turn against evil right wing terrorists.
>if they're willing to burn children alive
The Branch Davidians burned themselves alive.
The government cant even fix potholes reliably.
it will be even better for a domestic insurgency.
the taliban couldnt kill raytheon employees.
US citizens can.
And the main thing we have learned from the ukraine war is how fast ammunition gets depleted.
>And the main thing we have learned from the ukraine war is how fast ammunition gets depleted.
Yeah, that's a problem that some domestic insurgency in the US would be encountering long before the US military.
Yeah, no way the US people could get access to any of that.
>w-well it won't be a problem for the insurgents because they'll just steal all the military's stuff
And other fantasy land copes.
Its not fantasy it fricking happened in Ukraine and at the expense of many professional military units of Russias armed forces, turns out soldiers arent mindless killbots.
>the US Army is just going to abandon tons of gear without destroying it like the Russian Army
lol
I thought we moved on from talking about Afghanistan
The US Army destroyed the equipment it left behind in Afghanistan you moron. The equipment the Taliban ended up with was the equipment the US government gave to the ANA over the years.
So it's fine so long as they pawn it off to a proxy first? That makes it so much better anon, thanks for enlightening everyone.
>So it's fine so long as they pawn it off to a proxy first?
What proxy would they be giving significant quantities of equipment to in the US to make this applicable to this discussion?
There's these things called State Governments anon
>state governments are just going to hand over the national guard's equipment
Lol, and I'd like to remind you that the US didn't simply destroy the equipment they left with the ANA because there was a ceasefire between the US and the Taliban that wasn't broken. If a state was to do something similar with the goal of fighting the US government, you'd see national guard armories in that state either secured or destroyed by the US government before that state could do much of anything.
In a political civil war scenario where its neoliberal/economic left versus conservative/economic right you would have chaos in the early important days as random people may not show up for duty or worse. In an external threat case like say China bumrushing California in a moronic Call of Duty plot tier attack you are absolutely right as division in the ranks would almost evaporate as the number of far left communist infiltrators in the US military is dwarfed by the number of conservatives or anti left wing individuals in the military. If you really want to talk about civilians shooting eachother you will absolutely need to rely on the police as a mass force of bodies that have civil unrest training down. You will not create anything but a Black Hawk Down tier situation if you send 18 year old zoomers in to an area that has a dispersed domestic insurgent presence that is locally supported and you can't just bomb the frick out of things like you could in Afghanistan.
What the frick are you on about?
Adults are talking realpolitik, shoo child.
Literally none of that has anything to do with what I posted.
Please take your meds, schizo
>The US Army destroyed the equipment it left behind in Afghanistan you moron.
So those videos of the Taliban riding around in Humvees are just a meme then
>moron can't even read two whole sentences
>thinks he stands a chance against the US government
Bro you are fricking moronic they are literally selling m4s in the gun markets in Afghanistan.
Again since you didn't read it the first time. The equipment the Taliban ended up with was the equipment the US government gave to the ANA over the years.
Can you actually fricking prove that?!
Anon they do it all the time.
>US right wingers cheering on brownoids and asiatics as usual
It isn't the tanks and planes that are the issue, its the Feds, State Police, and local cops that are the issue. Any would be insurgent movement is going to be destroyed before it gets off the ground unless they either have perfect opsec or the powers that be repeatedly drop the ball. Both are possible, but incredibly unlikely.
Armed Americans aren't all going to be as determined as the Taliban but the sheer numbers of them are enough to warrant never trying to take away guns.
>an awb would only prevent the sale of new weapons as well as be a boon for panic buyers who can now mark up prices for pre-ban stuff
/thread
>>an awb would only prevent the sale of new weapons as well as be a boon for panic buyers who can now mark up prices for pre-ban stuff
This has always been the case, and only morons on gun boards will tell you that it might not be. Even Canada works that way with simply moving weapons to prohibited status where existing owners get to keep them but they can't be sold and are handed over to the government when the owner dies.
Ultimately the Taliban was almost completely contained on the opposite side of the planet. They could only damage what we put there. If the entire population of Afghanistan was teleported into the united states spread out amongst the machinery and logistics of the nation, they could would done infinitely more damage.
Are there people ITT that are suggesting that we won the war in Afghanistan somehow? There better not be.
Is that image implying that the right wingers will immediately lose to the US government and flee to pakistan?
>he forgets the part where the bulk of the Northern Alliance was just Taliban who took the bribe
epic maymay anon.
This thread is beginning to glow.
>Cause I'm radioactive!
>Radioactive!
>afghan peasants live in compounds to protect against bandits and tribal warfare
>american hillbillies live in trailers
Arabs are shit at conventional warfare, Americans will be shit at unconventional warfare
You are thinking of an American civil war as a repeat of the Revolutionary War or modeling it on foreign insurgencies. But if such a thing did happen it would a be a white nationaist revolt against the state wherein the target wasn't miltiary personnel but rather civilians, ie anybody who isn't white with preference for israelites. Such an insurgency wouldn't try to bushwack patrols or get into firefights in the woods. Insuregents tend to loose those engagements anyway regardless of the specific war we are talking about. Rather they'd cut off utilities to urban centers(almost entirely non-white) these days. Destroy shipments of food or medicine to such places. Randomly kill anybody they saw they didn't like. Us nerve agents on major population centers. The war would be against the govenment but the coercion wouldn't be even classical terrorism. It would be murdering 100 million people or making life so shit they run away, thereby removing any political impetus against them in the first place. They probably would murder the families of military personnel who openly spoke against them but the activities they are engaging in aren't really something you can counter with drones. Unless you want to watch the entire population 24/7. And that itself would alienate the population and undermine the government position. That's how they would fight, that's the only way I've ever hear of them fighting along with simple political assassinations.
>surveillance cameras and droning terrorists in wartime will alienate Americans but terrorism and mass murder wouldn't
Is this schizophrenia? The mental inability to reconcile opposing beliefs is one of the symptoms IIRC.
Most rural whites are very racist if you talk with them in confidence and would have zero problem with the murder of people they hate. Women might not like it but their opinions are irrelevant.
See when somebody kills a black or even causes thousands of blacks to die by creating chaos in say Baltimore that has very little effect on a rural white. They might even find it amusing, as they find the constant murders the gang bangers commit on each other amusing already. While government actions against the effect THEM. They want their political opposition to suffer but will not tolerate imposition on their own lives. That is the attitude of a winner, take everything, never compromise, and if the opposition objects murder them. It worked on coal companies up here for a century. We were never abused and we also never had untions until 1919 unless the mine was full of wops or poles. Because if anybody stepped out of line whether owners, pinkterons, management, unionists, ect they were quietly murderd. Often they were burned in their sleep with their entire family. This isn's just about race you understand. Around these parts people simply murder, it is an expedient solution to the problem. If nobody knows who did it you can't very well suffer negative repercussions can you?
>Up north
Where, exactly?
My understanding of much of American coal mining history was that it was very exploitative towards the workers. Company towns and such.
>unconventional war
America is good at both conventional and unconventional war. The main issue is that america has a hard time establishing a proper host nation within a nation that is in chaos.