Fantasy drawijg board progect to confuse british intellegence, never intended for actual production
The USN did a similar thing in the 1920s when congress wanted to reel in spending on battleships, cuz they kept getting bigger. To limit this congress asked the navy to submit a design of the largest possible battleship they might need so congress could legislate that no larger battleships than that could be built.
So naturally the navy produces a series of monster designs that make yamato look small.
>Fantasy drawijg board progect to confuse british intellegence, never intended for actual production
This thing isn't even that, it's just some lunatic on Deviantart's creation with no historical background at all
Yes - it was ridiculously big. Just like Bismark was a 52 ton beast underperforming 35-42 ton BBs in every significant way. Germans were just learning how to make front line capital ships in WWI, and then after versailles they forgot everything, and went back to the board with kludgy, inefficient, needlessly grandiose designs.
The only thing they did right was submarine warfare, and rather than put all their assets into that area of strength, they went for vanity projects, to their ultimate detriment. It's totalitarianism's fatal flaw writ large.
Fantasy drawijg board progect to confuse british intellegence, never intended for actual production
The USN did a similar thing in the 1920s when congress wanted to reel in spending on battleships, cuz they kept getting bigger. To limit this congress asked the navy to submit a design of the largest possible battleship they might need so congress could legislate that no larger battleships than that could be built.
So naturally the navy produces a series of monster designs that make yamato look small.
Tillman's Maximum battleships >tl;dw Senator Tillman was unhappy with Navy asking for bigger and bigger ships so he asked them to just skip to the biggest battleship they can physically build
my personal favorite is 16 inch guns in sextuple turrets
There were feasibility studies done on 20 inch guns - reloading rates weren’t great and penetration improvement wasn’t seen as important when you could huck ~24 16 inch shells instead of only ~8 20 inchers in a salvo because big guns are heavy frickers. More guns also means more chances to hit at longer ranges.
it's just my speculation, but it was 1920s, so even if they could fire shells further, they could never hope to hit anything without radars and more advanced FCS
more guns = more likely to hit
16 and 18in were more than enough for WWI era dreadnaughts
This tbh. Even with ceiling railways to move shells around the ship, and greased floors in the actual shell rooms to allow men to push them to where they're needed, there comes a point when you just can't man-handle them anymore.
Technically, the requirement was for the largest battleships that the Navy could USE. They could have (theoretically of course) designed and built one even bigger, but it would be crippled by the fact that it couldn’t go through the Panama Canal.
given she took 3-4 torpedoes the same time as she 'scuttled' she might have lasted a whole 5 minutes longer, she certainly wouldnt have lasted an hour.
ship was on fire except for the parts under water, had uncontrolled progressive flooding was listing so badly that one side of her deck was at sea level and was meters deeper in the water than designed, and that was before the torps
What always killed me was the old 90s and 00s history channel boomer-bait programs which proclaimed the Nazis and Japs were insane for proposing such vessels. Now everybody knows about the Tillman's which were designed a decade earlier, really puts the whiny israelites and boomer's objections in the grave when you realize that the US wasn't thinking "how can we sink the Japanese navy?" but rather considering "how can we sink Japan?". If 24 16" 50cal rifles are wrong I don't want to be right.
>Now everybody knows about the Tillman's which were designed a decade earlier
The Tillmans where a design to scope out what rediculous costs could be because you need to realize that we went from the 1st battleship to dreadnaught in 40 years, then from Dreadnaught to the Hood or Colorado in 20
And the politicians where looking at the budget train and ask "Where does this end?"
I'm fully aware that it was a plot by the penny pinchers in congress, who had been penny pinching since the civil war causing boom and bust cycles in naval procurement. But remember that right now the US suffers a fiscal cost of 1 Trillion bucks for the nogs in its territory, another Trillion for all the beaners, and god knows what when you factor in all the malinvestment due to the israelites. A genocidal racist American Empire could afford several more carriers or a dozen more SSNs every year if we cut the fat and by fat I mean undesirables. I want modern tillmans but using the surplus 16" 50s we have in stock with low friction ceramic barrel inserts that reduce the barrel diameter down to 11" firing the canceled HVP rounds at some obscene velocity with massive fast burning charges. I'd rather have cool shit that kills people than that Nazi "solidarity" homosexualry like healthcare any day. I value long hard objects filled with able seamen which have a tendency to explode more than "human" lives. No homo.
I just want to murder the world in cool ways, let me have this.
If it helps you may brother in christ - there is a Bong Naval historian by the name Dr Alexander Clarke who is convinced that the Bongs where 90% through a conversion of a QE class Battleship to twin 18" batteries - Because frick your nerd books, we'll see if it works for ourselves
You're a big boat.
bump
Was getting mogged by inter-war bi-planes part of your plan?
TWINKIE SHACK
Was it to have been even bigger than Japans successor to the Yamato?
No because it's not a real project
>Fantasy drawijg board progect to confuse british intellegence, never intended for actual production
This thing isn't even that, it's just some lunatic on Deviantart's creation with no historical background at all
Yes - it was ridiculously big. Just like Bismark was a 52 ton beast underperforming 35-42 ton BBs in every significant way. Germans were just learning how to make front line capital ships in WWI, and then after versailles they forgot everything, and went back to the board with kludgy, inefficient, needlessly grandiose designs.
The only thing they did right was submarine warfare, and rather than put all their assets into that area of strength, they went for vanity projects, to their ultimate detriment. It's totalitarianism's fatal flaw writ large.
the fuhrer is thick as frick
Fantasy drawijg board progect to confuse british intellegence, never intended for actual production
The USN did a similar thing in the 1920s when congress wanted to reel in spending on battleships, cuz they kept getting bigger. To limit this congress asked the navy to submit a design of the largest possible battleship they might need so congress could legislate that no larger battleships than that could be built.
So naturally the navy produces a series of monster designs that make yamato look small.
And where are these designs anon? Don't tease us now
Tillman's Maximum battleships
>tl;dw Senator Tillman was unhappy with Navy asking for bigger and bigger ships so he asked them to just skip to the biggest battleship they can physically build
my personal favorite is 16 inch guns in sextuple turrets
Why did nothing ever get over 16 and 18 inch? Could Gerald Bull have done it?
There were feasibility studies done on 20 inch guns - reloading rates weren’t great and penetration improvement wasn’t seen as important when you could huck ~24 16 inch shells instead of only ~8 20 inchers in a salvo because big guns are heavy frickers. More guns also means more chances to hit at longer ranges.
it's just my speculation, but it was 1920s, so even if they could fire shells further, they could never hope to hit anything without radars and more advanced FCS
more guns = more likely to hit
16 and 18in were more than enough for WWI era dreadnaughts
Simple size considerations
16" is roughly the same size as a sailor
18" is bigger than a man
20" is space marine sized
The shells fundamentally needed to be man handled to the hoists so you couldn't have really done 20" without laughably destroying rate of fire
This tbh. Even with ceiling railways to move shells around the ship, and greased floors in the actual shell rooms to allow men to push them to where they're needed, there comes a point when you just can't man-handle them anymore.
>Why did nothing ever get over 16 and 18 inch?
no one had ships or fortifications that required bigger guns
Technically, the requirement was for the largest battleships that the Navy could USE. They could have (theoretically of course) designed and built one even bigger, but it would be crippled by the fact that it couldn’t go through the Panama Canal.
I'd give my left nut for Tillman 4-2
Even though Tillman 4-2 is better, I'm partial to Tillman 4. Something about the absurdity of sextuple turrets really activates my almonds.
Bismark was built for speed as a blockade breaker, never was a real battle ship
Bismarck was a battlecruiser
Just like Bismark
>lol 8 undersized guns
>large useless secondary battery
>pitiful AA
>stupidly oversized
German ww2 ships were garbage.
>German ww2 ships were garbage.
In their defense, Treaty Of Versailles greatly hampered their warship development.
Did they pick the name "Kriegsmarine" so they could keep the "KM" naming from Imperial days?
Probably. It's a bit a superfluous redundancy, because in German "Marine" always means the naval forces, never the merchant navy.
>giant bote
>still only 2x4 main armament
Truly germoids will never into naval architecture
you have my attention
You're a grown up man drawing up plans for fictional Nazi battleships with cringe names. You more than likely will die alone an live as permanent KHV.
>8x20'in. guns
Pathetic
You supposed to put an H on the landing pads not pinwheels
I look forward to seeing it in World of Warships in a few years.
>"It's the most modern battleship ever devloped!"
>"Can BTFO THREE Home Fleets!"
>Gets sunk by the oldest most obsolete plane in the war
A big juicy target for any dive bomber.
Torpedo bomber*
Even the Yamatos' deck armor was basically immune to dive bombing.
no such thing as an unsinkable ship
No ship could have saved the shitshow that was the German surface navy in WW2.
Daily reminder that Bismarck was scuttled, not sunk.
yeah bro, it would have held up for sooo much longer if those damn krauts didn't scuttle her
given she took 3-4 torpedoes the same time as she 'scuttled' she might have lasted a whole 5 minutes longer, she certainly wouldnt have lasted an hour.
ship was on fire except for the parts under water, had uncontrolled progressive flooding was listing so badly that one side of her deck was at sea level and was meters deeper in the water than designed, and that was before the torps
>gets fricked by a swarn of torpedo bombers
Finally, a worthy opponent.
So much deck space, enough for four angled flight decks.
What always killed me was the old 90s and 00s history channel boomer-bait programs which proclaimed the Nazis and Japs were insane for proposing such vessels. Now everybody knows about the Tillman's which were designed a decade earlier, really puts the whiny israelites and boomer's objections in the grave when you realize that the US wasn't thinking "how can we sink the Japanese navy?" but rather considering "how can we sink Japan?". If 24 16" 50cal rifles are wrong I don't want to be right.
>Now everybody knows about the Tillman's which were designed a decade earlier
The Tillmans where a design to scope out what rediculous costs could be because you need to realize that we went from the 1st battleship to dreadnaught in 40 years, then from Dreadnaught to the Hood or Colorado in 20
And the politicians where looking at the budget train and ask "Where does this end?"
I'm fully aware that it was a plot by the penny pinchers in congress, who had been penny pinching since the civil war causing boom and bust cycles in naval procurement. But remember that right now the US suffers a fiscal cost of 1 Trillion bucks for the nogs in its territory, another Trillion for all the beaners, and god knows what when you factor in all the malinvestment due to the israelites. A genocidal racist American Empire could afford several more carriers or a dozen more SSNs every year if we cut the fat and by fat I mean undesirables. I want modern tillmans but using the surplus 16" 50s we have in stock with low friction ceramic barrel inserts that reduce the barrel diameter down to 11" firing the canceled HVP rounds at some obscene velocity with massive fast burning charges. I'd rather have cool shit that kills people than that Nazi "solidarity" homosexualry like healthcare any day. I value long hard objects filled with able seamen which have a tendency to explode more than "human" lives. No homo.
I just want to murder the world in cool ways, let me have this.
If it helps you may brother in christ - there is a Bong Naval historian by the name Dr Alexander Clarke who is convinced that the Bongs where 90% through a conversion of a QE class Battleship to twin 18" batteries - Because frick your nerd books, we'll see if it works for ourselves
Captcha: Du Segs
Then do it, pussy. Build the American Empire from the ashes of this decadent republic.
ALRIGHT, JEEZ!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-class_battleship_proposals
>Thoughts?
Twin gun primary battery
Triple gun secondary battery
Still no DP heavy AAA turret
moronic