Please Note:
I know CT has the Quiet Corner.
I know DE has some fun marshlands.
I know NE, KS, and IA have more than cornfields
But I am ranking states relative to one another.
Oh, and the reason CA and CO are not higher because of all the very annoying people over-crowding the parks.
>WV not a 10
this map is broken, anon
too many meth-addled hillbillys who have never left the holler and think its "wilderness"
If they don’t leave the holler why are they a problem? You’re not making sense.
I am making sense. Your meth-addled brain is broken.
OR/WA/ID should all be about the same, 9 is about right. so close
MI,WI,MN should all be higher as well
MO, what the frick man? 🙂 the ozarks are cute and totally valid.
It's weird how he overrates Arkansas and underrates Missouri because those states are very similar. Take 2 points from Arkansas and give them to Missouri for more accurate ratings for both states.
Rating Nebraska a 1 has become its own meme at this point. If this perception keeps Californians and Chicagoans out I'm all for it.
and then texas as a 7.5?
i don't even know. i'm guessing he's from TX? but everything i've heard is that there's like 20 acres of public land there, the rest is owned by ranchers or the chinese.
so glad to live in OR.
Finally a map that doesn’t underrate Texas. I believe New Mexico is a little low though.
Good, stay in your crowded and foggy shit weather containment zone coastie.
>doesn’t understate texas
Texas should be understated. It’s the biggest state outside Alaska and there isn’t shit to do outside Big Bend. The coast is all tourist garbage, the cities are shit outside maybe San Antonio. Hill Country has some cool areas but again it’s the biggest state in the lower 48
If you think Big Bend is the only thing then you simply haven’t done any research. The great thing about Texas is that it’s empty because tourists get filtered so easily.
Where is this!?
A mountain range in Texas. There are about 6 or 7 of them so if you spend like 15 minutes researching you can probably figure out which one this is just based on the flora and rock formations. That’s the minimum bar to pass for entry. I believe in you champ.
Texas is fun as frick if you do free walks in the desert
awww, don't be mad texas bro. we have a common enemy here, CA.
besides, not all of OR is the cloudy/foggy bullshit 8 months of the year that you're assuming. like pic related, oregon outback. the population density in eastern OR is probably on par with west texas to be honest (climate isn't too far off either)
Just shit talking back Eastern OR looks nice. I vastly prefer West TX to Western OR though. I like finding ruins in the desert of old churches petroglyphs etc. whereas everything gets eaten away in the moist places.
yeah i hear ya. i grew up in eastern OR, but wound up settling down in western OR after college.
as bad as the rain is, the people are far worse (we're about 30 miles from eugene). driving into town is just a brutal reminder of how badly progressives ruin everything they touch.
>hobos everywhere
>crazy schizos walking down sidewalk wearing nothing but their underwear and blankets screaming at cars
>trash/grafitti/littering
>shantytown tent cities in every public area
Lived in eugene for a few years to fight forest fires
I moved back to Kentucky, I just couldn't handle those people. You can't trust anybody out west. I don't know how people live with such a derelict social contract.
lol texass..their main source of air is inhaling cow shit fumes...no one even thinks about texas but California lives rent free in your head 24/7...californians don't even think about California as much as texans do...its like the cringe fat kid who can't stop thinking of the popular dude dating his crush what a nightmare existence texans must have
That New Mexico rating is criminally low
A good part of New Mexico is boring plains which hurts its overall rating
>Oregon bad!
Go leave
Texas ranks 24th in population density with 112 people per square mile. Oregon is 39th, with 44.1 people per square mile.
About a third of Oregon is desert, as it’s in the shadow of the Cascades. The “foggy weather” (I think you meant rainy) is only in the eastern part of the state. But really there’s no comparison; Texas is shit for outdoor recreation and the weather is garbage anyway.
>is only in the eastern part of the state
he meant western.
i grew up in eastern oregon, it is a very sparsely populated area with everything from mountains to plains to high desert.
living in western oregon now and i can confirm, it's a rainy mess 8 months out of the year
obviously extremely biased, but if it weren't for the people in portland and about 60% of the population of eugene, it would be the best state in the US (well tied w/ washington. they have the same issue with moronic clown-shit crazy problem progressives that we do)
i grew up in lewis county, wa and this looks exactly like it. very cozy country.
100% agree. Lower the texas ranking, please.
t. Texas Ranching Anon
Ranchers are queers, ranking stays. Your kind is the only thing standing between Texas getting a 7.5 and Texas getting a 9.
WA is brought down because the east side is boring and the west side PrepHole shit is too close to the big cities.
Why do westoids hate the Appalachian mountains so much?
It's a good thing anon, trust me.
do you really want smarmy trash from CA infesting your comfy hollers and shitting things up with progressive, garbage politics?
Ah, you're right. Hahaha... y-yeah, it sucks out here! Deliverance is a documentary.
This but unironically.
there's nothing comfy about a bunch of drunk appalachia mutant methbillies trying to rape you....nobody wants to see that shithole
Your tallest mountain is base elevation in Colorado. If it doesn't have snow on it year round it's just a big hill.
Who the frick cares about tall desert rock? There's literally nothing to do there but walk, what's the point? I like hunting and fishing instead of jerking off to elevation numbers.
>There's literally nothing to do there but walk,
>hurrdurrr there is no hunting or fishing in the Rockies.
you've never actually been /out in the West, have you?
appalachia is 4 times smaller and over 4 times more densely populated than just the mountain states, and it comes with the caveat that it is full of delusional morons and universally industrially polluted water ways.
I hiked the entire Appalachian Trail.
Didn't see a single mountain the entire time.
2 lies for the price of one.
Frick off with your gay ass 9.5 shit. I don't need more homosexuals coming here.
>Hawaii 6.5
Can’t swim anon?
Ayyy lived in 5 states long term, each of them 9 or above. Spend hours and hours outside. Life is truly good.
>because of all the very annoying people over-crowding the parks
exactly what the res of us in our states don't want, quit making these frickin maps ugh
>Louisiana
>7
It's good for hunting in the colder months and there's good fishing, but it's hot, muggy, and mosquito infested 9 months out of the year. Not to mention the entire landscape is basically flat and swampy/marshy
NY is a 1, the Adirondacks are overly full. This is not even a joke, stop coming here.
>IA 1
yeah, stay the frick out, we don't want any coast homosexuals here
IA is legit a 1 tho.
>she doesnt know about the Driftless area
you mean the thing that is mostly in other states?
>TX and LA rated higher than MI, WI, and MN
into the trash
Trash map. Interesting attempt at objectivity, but rating Texas higher than Virginia or West Virginia (or really any state that forms a portion of Southern Appalachia) is patently ridiculous.
Texas' big problem, well known on PrepHole, is that rich, fat old cowboy LARPers or corporations own almost all of the land. There's significantly less publicly accessible land in Texas in absolute terms than exists in much smaller states. This torpedos it's score, which wouldn't even be 10 to begin with even if all the land weren't owned by Yosemite Sam Inc.
Virginia, West Virginia, and Tennessee have their problems, and Virginia has some of the biggest (NOVA is home to DC scum and their hangers-on; the entire Virginia coast is commercialized/militarized trash; etc), but West Coasters ignoring Appalachia and its beauty and biodiversity over much sandy/big rocks means that your opinions are discarded every time.
That being said, it sucks here and I recommend avoiding it. Try Montana, I hear it's one of the best.
Pretty sure the amount of public land in Texas is actually higher in square miles than most of the Eastern states besides Maine. It just looks bad as % of total land. Also you cannot get nearly as remote in Virginia, WV, or Tennessee. You can get so remote in Texas that the closest human / settlement is 4+ hours away. The mountains in Texas are also higher and have more interesting terrain.
Elevation is good, and so is remoteness, but some of you value those things far too highly while ignoring factors such as biodiversity, foraging potential, and even the denseness of remote fishable waters (the latter is sky-high in GW/Jeff. Nat'l Forest).
For my druthers, there are steep (heh) diminishing returns on both elevation and remoteness, though they do continue to have value as they increase. For some of you, they gain exponentially more value with each additional 100 ft. of elevation/minute decrease in population density.
100% of Nebraska is nicer than 75% of Wyoming
So you mark CA and CO down for having a ton of annoying leftists, and dislike of them is understandable, but did you also mark down Appalachian states for all the meth heads?
If you’re gonna take the state’s residents into account when making an PrepHole map, you should at least be consistent and do that for all of them
>but did you also mark down Appalachian states for all the meth heads?
No need, as OP wasn't referring to all residents taken as a whole, only those who frequent PrepHole areas. They beshit cities, towns, and rural sprawl, and local fishing holes to a certain extent, but they by and large stay out of National and State Parks, National Forests, trailheads, the trails themselves, and certainly off-trail/in the backcountry.
It's fairly obvious you've never been to Appalachia. In your simplistic view, there's a homogeneous coating of rednecks and drug addicts evenly coating the entire region. In reality, the worst thing you'll find in Appalachian PrepHole areas are obnoxious bear hunters who drive their trucks around access roads like buttholes all season with their dogs crated in the bed or running loose, but you'll only find them near roads.
Nah I’m taking off 1.5 points off all of them for being chock full of toothless people in the rural areas and hills
Believe it or not this is inside DC
I live nearby and I fricking hate DC but I like to explore the more hidden parts of it, the city is majority Black person now but luckily "10 foot of woods keeps out the hood"
now all you have to do is teleport to june and out of this sub-freezing windy cold front...
Watch your back out there.
WA is the best state in the lower 48
>Dense rainforest
>Extremely rugged glacier covered mountains
>Massive volcanoes
>Open desert in the east
I visited WA for the first time last year (from Idaho), literally the most beautiful place I had ever seen. Maybe Montana has got it beat by a hair.
The population centers and people made it absolutely fricking unbearable though, even rural. I thought caligays were the worst drivers but holy shit WA drivers must be doing a bump of coke and meth all at once every 5 god damn seconds while on the road.
I’m from California. Suburban central. Washington drivers are the fricking worst. Whenever we’re in Oregon, and someone is driving like a Black person, it’s always wish Washington plates.
I’ve only ever lived out here. How do you mean?
Any Vegas anons here? Whats the cost of living like out there?
Texas is a solid 4 at best. 3.5 because it’s too hot to be outside
>Utah 9.5
>NV 6
>AZ 8
They all should be just about the same ranking. 8.5 for Utah, 8's for NV and AZ. All 3 have absolute gem destinations for different outdoor activities, some considered "meccas" in their respective hobbies, and all 3 have the same diversity of environment.
CA shouldn't be an 8.5, easily a 9. Western America in general is just too fricking good.
A moron clearly made this, NH and VT lower than Louisiana? Wisconsin less than Minnesota?
Also the Quiet Corner isn't even the best PrepHole in CT.
What are some good spots in CT?
The northwest Taconic hills are nice, especially Bear Mountain. Also the Quinnipiac Trail in central western CT is some of the best scrambling in the northeast.
>Wisconsin less than Minnesota?
MN has the boundary waters...sconny doesnt.
LA clearly wins for water and coastal activities. The Mississippi River delta is fricking Amazing. That said the weather sucks and is very unpleasant, particularly for out of staters. Hunting is good on both land and water/swamp (hog, nutria, whitetail, gator), fishing is amazing too, can go crabbing and crawfishing.
Definitely loses in hiking/biking/trail category though. Not any vistas to speak of unless you count looking at cypress swamps, they're pretty but hardly count.
Ultimately comes down to how much you weight certain activities relative to one another really.
I live in Maryland and I think it’s not good but it’s not terrible. We have some nice mountains and the Chesapeake bayl. I think people rate us low because nobody knows anything about us. Maryland is a pretty state. It’s just little Virginia. I get that we’re liberal and we’re built around DC but I think we are a solid 4.
Like how the frick is Massachusetts better than Maryland? The Chesapeake mogs their coast and were much more biodiverse.
A lot of people think outdooring = hiking and forget that you can go PrepHole on the water as well.
I‘m an Allegany native and Garrett is some of the best winter mountains especially that I‘ve seen anywhere. The western part is solid all the way down to Frederick really.
>NY only a 5
Why? I love New York. You've got the long path, the Adirondacks, the Catskills. Lots of great small towns all over WNY, CNY, Upstate and the north country with their own little parks. Lots of rivers and lakes. There's a lot of variety in New York. Great rock climbing as well. As far as outing goes, I feel comfortable saying New York is a 10.
pretty decent, a little harsh on NM and VT though I think.
NH deserves a 4, full of snowmobile rednecks
>Texas higher than Arkansas and Missouri
Texas narrowly beats Arkansas but it sure beats the hell out of Missouri.
Doesn’t apply to high desert.
Take meds.
For those struggling to understand why TX deserves a medium high rating, take a look at this light pollution map. This essentially tracks areas of true wilderness in the lower 48. The biggest continuous dark patch in the southwest is centered right on the Texas border with Mexico. Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, New Mexico, and Montana all have nice continuous patches as well. Commiefornia is dogshit on the other hand. The only place in the state as remote as the Texas backcountry is Death Valley, and even that is quite close to Las Vegas. There’s no real wilderness there when everything is that crowded. Doesn’t matter how high the mountains are. Remoteness > elevation
the other component is land use, those swaths of low pop areas in west texas are mostly private range land right?
out here in the west those areas are state/fed forest.
i think it's a function of population density as you stated, but also public access to land.
corner crossing should be legal, and land holders shouldn't be able to encircle public lands with privately held parcels, then block access to the public land.
right to roam/cross private land to public should be a legal condition to owning such land =/
A lot is private but the most remote areas are largely public. Green is hikeable land in this pic. Agree with you on the corner crossing thing. A lot of boomers sitting on amazing land that they turn into exotic wildlife ranches and other lame shit.
it's not even a 'boomer' problem per se though anon (that moronic term is so horribly abused). But yeah, it's typically ranchers or outfitters who'll use their plot of land to basically block public access to the much larger swathes of public land behind theirs. like if you look at a map of BLM holdings, there's this fricky checkerboard pattern of public/private land that's 100% devised to frick the peasants over.
pic related, the rancher here has de factor control over all of that land, but he'd gladly sell your party a weekend hunting pass for a grand or so. (and he'd go absolutely ballistic if you corner crossed to avoid his blockade)
(full disclosure, my property abuts BLM forest on 2 sides, there's no road access. i think i'd be more than a little upset at people traversing my property to get to the BLM forest. But there's a distinction between someone's private residence/smallholding and some rancher with frickoff huge amounts of land who weaponizes gates and corner crossing prohibitions for economic benefit)
>100% devised to frick the peasants over.
Checkerboard lands are a legacy of the railroad grants and not some sinister plot to keep you oppressed.
can you explain away the corner crossing bullshit as well?
maybe it's a legacy from the railroads, but they're definitely being misused today
I wasnt "explaining" it away just pointed out the origin of it...and that it wasnt some sinister plot to persecute you. We have a lot of checkerboard where I live in MT.
Corner crossing is techincally illegal but people do it all the time. There are a couple of court cases here in MT that are bring the issue to a head.
>KS is a 1
good, stay the frick out
My thoughts: i hate you. I want to choke you. I wat you hit you in the head with a shovel
Terrible list bro. Your shit is all fricked up. You never been to the Midwest? You don’t know about the UP? homie thinks florida covered in golf courses and swamp is somehow higher than Nevada, Tennessee, or South Carolina. The 1s you gave out make literally no sense, WI and MN are far too underrated, bro doesn’t know about the north woods, hunting or fishing obviously. Try again after traveling more and not just guessing
7 is pretty fricking high for Florida, it has nice parts of course like the springs and the not super touristy beaches and the Everglades are interesting if shit to actually be on foot in, but like 90% of the state is just flat endless expanses of saw palmettos too tall to see over and too short to provide shade.
It's not the worst state for PrepHole by any stretch but it's pretty dismal outside of fishing and swimming.
>Texas rated higher than New Hampshire or Hawaii
I’ve hiked throughout New Hampshire and Texas, NH is better during those short few weeks in fall where the foliage makes everything look fantastic and the weather is crisp, but for all season hiking West Texas totally mogs NH. It’s much more remote and the views are way more expansive. Idk about Hawaii.
>but for all season hiking
casual detected
piddling through the snow with snowshoes in negative windchill isn’t really hiking, nor is skiing.
MO Bro here (STL area), it really does fricking suck. There are some nice areas nearby but most of them are just small parks with sub 5 mile hiking trails. I like guns and I don't really have any BLM or public land I can go be a moron on.
Nevada as 6
But please keep thinking that, don't spoil my unmolested Nevada outback