>CH-47 Chinook in the skies over Ukraine
>https://nitter.net/zloneversleep/status/1550140030479392770
>inb4: Saigon and Kabul also had these, so the Khokhols lost!
This whole war is Russia's Vietnam, isn't it?
>CH-47 Chinook in the skies over Ukraine
>https://nitter.net/zloneversleep/status/1550140030479392770
>inb4: Saigon and Kabul also had these, so the Khokhols lost!
wasn't afghanistan supposed to be russia's vietnam?
Russia so Stronk it can have TWO VIETNAMS!
>Finland
THREE Vietnams.
>Chechnya
FOUR vietnams
>Chechnya 2: Electric Boogaloo
FIVE vietnams
>Georgia
SI-
no wait
Afghanistan was Russias vietnam..
Russia was actually superior in engagements, and killing the enemy compared to losses, it just couldn't stop the insurrection, and got bogged down in the quagmire.
The current situation in ukraine is closer to their operation barbarosa.
But even then the germans did well in the initial push.
Honestly I can't think of a time where the numerically superior enemy, with time to stage, launched an operation that stalled so hard so fast.
>Honestly I can't think of a time where the numerically superior enemy, with time to stage, launched an operation that stalled so hard so fast.
Maybe the Sino-Vietnamese war?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
Man, being an Easterner is honestly fricking embarrassing.
Easterners are basically insects
Germany did more than just well. They made it to the outskirts of Moscow. Look at an animated map on how much territory they actually took and how quickly they did it. It's the biggest invasion/gaining of territory in history, no army had ever taken that much that quickly.
Germany invaded Belarus, Moldova, and the Baltic States in June 1941 and by November their troops reported seeing the Kremlin's spires in Moscow.
Afghanistan was Russia's Afghanistan
No, no, no Afghanistan was USSR's vietnam. This one's is Russia's vietnam.
I always thought the ukraine invasion was similar to the sino-japanese war(the second one that mattered). Japan tried to achieve a quick easy victory without having to pour in heavy resources, and wound up tied down in china for years with massive combat action and losses, never breaking the enemy. I don't know the conflict in detail because I can't tell chinks and japs apart, but at a quick glance the similarities are there
Carthage took three wars to bring it down completely. Number one was WWII, number two was Afghanistan, and this is number three.
No.
If anything, comparing Ukraine to Vietnam would be a gross understatement.
What happened in Vietnam was disgraceful, wasteful, tragic, and should never be repeated (America has failed at this, twice). Ukraine is a catastrophe of the highest order. One that imperils the very existence of Russia as a polity and arguably the entire world. It's like the difference getting drunk and raping a girl, and getting shot to death by her father while doing so. The first one you'll come to regret it for the rest of your life, the second you won't be able to feel regret because you'll never feel anything ever again.
If Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam, Ukraine is its graveyard. Not merely in the physical sense of tens of thousands of Russian men dead and wrecked Russian military hardware left strewn on the road to Kiev, but the spiritual as well. This war has already cost Russia her honor and when it loses (and it will lose, its gross excesses and threats have left NATO with no choice but to ensure defeat or face existential crisis), it will shatter her dreams. Any notion that Russia be able to make a comeback, to rejoin the Great Powers, will die with the last Russian soldier in Ukraine. A nation can with time, recover from almost any material loss, but it cannot recover from having its spirit broken.
And that is in my opinion, the most terrifying thing about all of this. How will the Russians react to having their dreams shattered and their spirit broken? Will they take it and continue on as Germany and Japan did? Will they disintegrate as a nation as Yugoslavia did? Or will they lash out in one final act of spiteful rage and drag NATO into the fiery abyss with them?
Funny that you mention it. I felt compelled to rewatch Stalingrad after the retreat from Kiev because seeing all those men lying dead in the snow reminded me of the end of the movie.
It also adds an extra layer of humilation that it is right on there border, less than 500km from there most populous and important city.
>How will the Russians react to having their dreams shattered and their spirit broken
There were no dreams or spirit at the first place. Anons use word "vatnik" a lot, thinking it's kinda racial (ethnic) slur and don't dive deep in semantics.
But the essence of vatnik itself is being flexible in cognitive sense. Take any vatnik from Russia and put him in Europe or North America, and he will love local liberal values wholeheartedly.
74 years of USSR produced an ideal NPC, not asking questions, following official TV/Media way of thinking and sustainable for any cognitive dissonances.
The true Russian dreams died somewhere inbetween 1812-1920. The spirit was finally broken in the hell of collectivisation of 1930s.
>1812-1920.
More like 1912 to 1917
I agree with the rest of the post.
>Or will they lash out in one final act of spiteful rage and drag NATO into the fiery abyss with them?
Knowing vatniks nipp/germ is impossibru with their mentality. Lashing out is the most vatnik response as in they will try to flash storm the Baltics and if they succeed, genocide them all (balts are only about 6-7 mil combined) in a fit of rage during the months western military response is building up.
In their minds this "restores" their stronk and fearsom reputation. For a vatnik is a petty gangbanger at its heart and the biggest asset any mobster can have is the fear level he instills in everybody. Getting a face full of piss is worse then death for wannabe thugs like monke and his merry band of boyar mobsters
>Ranger: So ... when are we goin' to Moscow?
Back when MW was still good.
we never really got there to burn it down
>during the months western military response is building up
You Black person, Nato can get 100k troops on any eastern front in 24h. Article 5 would end Russia, they can not afford to strike NATO countries.
Nice Slayer shirt
I think these pathetic homosexuals are going to have a meltdown once shit gets really really real (Ukraine driving them out, taking Russian territory, etc) and are going to let nukes fly
Then its fricking over, for all of us, how long is dependent entirely on the response of the nuclear armed powers.
I don't think Ukraine will cross into Russia for more than a couple of miles
Unlikely. I don't get where all you doomsayers get your confidence from. Pootin and his buttbuddies have shown time and time again that they are unwilling to make personal sacrifices (even when it's just something as meaningless as a tiny shred of their own money) for R*ssia. Why would you think that such a person had the balls to go the self-annihilation route? They are far too cowardly for that. Given how thoroughly buckbroken the average R*ssian is (the good ones got culled) Pootin can hold onto the reigns even if this goes even more to shit than it already has. And if he cannot ... well, in that case he longer controls the nukes and in the chain that their activation entails someone would refuse besides.
>but it cannot recover from having its spirit broken.
What an ahistorical take. You even post two counter-examples right after.
Not him but Germany and Japan most definitely are not the same places they were in 1939. One might argue they’re culturally hollowed out even, hence their obsession with materialism.
Japan and Germany are a case of wounded pride, not broken spirit. I think a good example of nation with a broken spirit are the American Indians after the conquest of the Continental US. All they do nowadays, is waste away on the reservations. The could try to make a recovery, but there's no desire for it.
Whig version of history is the most moronic and boomer take imaginable. Read some new books boomer. The modern Russian state might collapse from this war but the Russian nation will live on (unless the Nazis genocide them, but once the tide turns against Russian then the globohomosexual boot will turn its sights on all the Nazi larpers in Eastern Europe)
Russia already suffered one "peaceful" political collapse in 1991, I have doubts it could survive that trauma a second time in 30 years without either fragmenting and losing large swathes of territory to secession (ex. Chechnya) or deciding to flip over the table and take NATO down with them.
>If Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam, Ukraine is its graveyard.
Are things really that bad in Russia right now?
Yes, and Ukraine is way worse
You're expecting redditors to remember things that happened more than two weeks ago.
The Soviet Union collapsed. The Putin Khanate is a kleptocratic cargo cult that worships the ashes of the USSR, not a legitimate successor state by any stretch of the imagination.
>not a legitimate successor state by any stretch of the imagination.
Then who is?
Transdnestria is the only true successor of the Soviet union.
Why would anyone want to become the successor to the USSR anyways? What did they accomplish within the 80 years that they were around other being a dictatorship that was always behind the West?
Uh uh uh ... they got the first satellite into orbit!!!1one
They are nostalgic for a time when things were simpler, harder but easier to understand and there was no uncertainty unless you decided to play dumb political games and even then you weren't gulaged after the Stalin era, you were just shuffled around unless you did or said something unfathomably stupid.
It won't ever come back and shouldn't but it's understandable why they would prefer the past.
When Che said "Two, three, many vietnams" probably he didn't realize he was talking about Russia.
Soviets arguably performed militarily better in Afghanistan than the United States (not that it made much of a difference)
*in Vietnam
Not even remotely.
Afghanistan was the Soviet Union's Vietnam. Russia is the cooling remnant of that disintegration.
I think this one is more accurate.
Vietnam had the russians send shitloads of support to vietnam and it was basically in their backyard.
Ukraine has the western ho-chi-minh trail and its literally next to nato country.
LOL,
5 months in and you compare this to vietnam?
I thought you homosexuals on /k/ are smart.
dont worry anon ill give you a (you)
My region(republic in Russia) have 70 KIA casualties in Afghanistan, and 85 KIA in two chechen wars. In Ukraine now more than 40 KIA(It`s only famous, regarding from local media and local VK community)
i believe you
Does the public there see ukraine as a serious conflict on the level with the Chechian wars?
>smart
they fricking post shit with sources from mayors and governors
ofc they arent smart
You doing okay there anon? need someone to talk to buddy?
comparing years to months. your pic agrees with his point idk why yours words dont
>I thought you homosexuals on /k/ are smart.
literally what make you think that? you need only spend five minutes here to realize it's stupider than even fricking /misc/.
War Tourists and fricking /misc/troons really fricked the board.
like there was the noticeable drop in quality when 2016 happened and every fricking millenial/zoomer homosexual from instagram and plebbit came here for le boogie lou maymay shit but this is something else.
More like Iraq
>Manufactures dumb reason to get in selling as a quick get and get out affair
>Gets bogged down
Granted the reasons for the stalling are different, but I think it is a better comparison
The US quickly toppled the Iraqi government and installed a new one. The fighting afterwards was just an insurgency. The Russians are still fighting the official Ukrainian military with very little in the way of insurgency. Vietnam is a better comparison.
the problem is the US was just straight up dealing with insurgency in vietnam and didn't want to take NV territory. Russia at the outset was actively looking for a massive swath of ukraine if them attemptingt to bullrush kyiv is anything to go by.
probably he is referring to Iran Iraq War
>Manufactures dumb reason
>14k innocent civilians killed by hohols
>Endless provocation since 2013
>Ignoring the Minsk agreement
YAAWSS, go king zelenskiy, you go beat putler
>innocent
Traitors don't deserve anything.
>>14k innocent civilians killed by hohols
The "14K"-figure counts all the people killed in that region (both civilians, paramilitary and military) throughout 8 years of time.
If you count civies deaths only, it'll count to 3,404 people killed by the both sides in 8 years.
Just reminding that Russia killed more civies in just 2 months of this year.
>Killed by hohols
>A figure of total deaths in the conflict military and civilian from BOTH sides
Why do Russians feel the need to lie about literally everything.
They’ve been indoctrinated to be disdainful of truth. Sad.
But it was never a quick in and out affair. The actual goal from the start was to take over all of Ukraine to satisfy Puti-kin's ego. They sent in fricking cops with the first wave.
It's literally Vietnam. "The people are too stupid to determine for themselves what government to have, so we superpowers need to show them through force!"
Puti-kins was all pouty that the Ukrainians didn't vote in a fawning pro-Kremlin government, just as France and the US were all upset the Vietnamese didn't want a government that schlobbed the West's knob over their own social welfare. Both were attempts to teach the people a lesson in what happens if they're uppity to their betters.
And both show that they're not better.
This is Russia's Sino-Vietnamese War
This, all the rest is bullshit
So….russia wins and Ukraine spends double digit percent GDP on fortifications and thus enter an economic death spiral?
>Sino-Vietnamese War
>Sino victory
Try reading a book on it next time.
Yeah. Book says Chinks got their asses kicked by militia mainly containing women, children and the elderly, while the Viet regular army blitzkrieged their moron ally in Cambodia. Chinks tried to get to Hanoi to get Viets off Misc Pot but got bogged down in just three weeks and left with their tails between their legs. Chinks just abandoned their ally and said 'it was all muh feint, we won lmao'.
>Got BTFOd in a three week fight by militia
>even with US backing
>won
lol
lmao even
>ESL posts
Opinions discarded. I'm not gonna bother deciphering this rubbish.
They should have said "objective completed" and returned back home, but Russia hasn't gotten any objectives. They've pushed into Ukraine but is losing a ton trying to keep those. Its unknown if Russia will claim theyve met their objective and pull out or whether full scale war will happen once Ukraine gets more equipments from the wartime economy of the west and push Russia back into Russia before the Ukkies stop the push.
Oh no, this is much worse, the US won the conventional war in nam, they lost the guerilla war
Afghanistan was russia's vietnam, won the conventional war, lost to the guerillas
This is an extremely costly conventional war for russia they could very likely lose
I saw someone compare it to the second sino-japanese war, and i can see that
>bogged down almost immediately
>international condemnation and sanctions
>plenty of material support for china
Bruh we knocked the VC so hard they didnt exist anymore, and the NVA just waited for us to leave
the US didnt know it at the time and it doesnt matter, the US still left, the NVA still stomped the south, 20 years of nothing
>20 years of nothing
Are you confusing Afghanistan for Vietnam
We didn't care about the South after we left. Same way the American reaction to Afghan welfare leeches trying to cling to planes and falling to their deaths was amusement.
Were you stabbed in the back?
>the US won the conventional war in nam, they lost the guerilla war
They didn't lose either war, dumb frick. They entered extensive peace talks between the two vietnam's, came to what was supposed to be a deal, and the Communists welched on it and invaded the incompetent South after the US left. This is the so-called victory you've been hearing about for almost 50 years now.
Afghanistan is practically identical. The Taliban welched on a peace deal with the Kabul government. The US said, "Whatever. We're going to evacuate people through the handover date anyway. Play nice or get droned." The Taliban didn't interfere.
Seems like a big L to me
you expect morons to have proper mental faculties while high on copium?
I say this as an american and someone who despises russia, I'm glad the USA lost to Taliban and North Vietnam.
I'm always on the side of people who are fighting for their own home and independence. Currently, its Ukraine. Back then it was Taliban and the NVA/VC
>MUH HIGHER IDEALS
Gay.
I might be gay but you're the homosexual
>I'm always on the side of people who are fighting for their own home and independence.
Opinion discarded, have a nice day.
American tires are now made with Vietnamese rubber, and "al Qaeda" is the answer to a trivia question. We achieve our strategic objectives and move on. Taking and holding territory is for deluded, aging kleptocrats.
And America buys cars from BMW and Toyota. I guess that means the Japanese empire and the Nazis accomplished their strategic objectives. Fricking moron.
>We achieve our strategic objectives
Letting South Vietnam collapse? Sending 50k Americans to die just to leave? Are you a student of the Russian school of victory? Was the 'feint of kiev' a masterclass for you top kek.
>Are you a student of the Russian school of victory? Was the 'feint of kiev' a masterclass for you top kek.
Made me chuckle
>I successfully built a house because it stood for a day before collapsing
A better analogy would be
> I gave a man the materials and land to build a house and he died trying to prop up one wall
it ain'tsk me
clever
It feels more like WW2 eastern front except reversed so the Russians are now getting the German experience.
bump
it’s not a symmetrical war, so no.
>Russia's Vietnam
Only insofar as a Speedrun for the deaths and casualties. It took 20 years for Americans to die as fast as Russians.
>believing muttBlack person numbers
No one brought up Russian MoD. Calm down.
>mongoloid/rice-Black person calls whites Black folk
K
>muttBlack folk still butthurt about getting their ass kicked and "losing face" in Vietnam
Why do mutBlack folk care so much about appearance?
not enough buzzwords go back and correct your posts
>59 secods between posts
and try to be more calm next time and sprinkle your trolling around like planting seconds you dont just drop it all in one spot.
again
lol samegay stovie
>muttBlack person
why are we discussing Russia again?
Vietnam, America had like 1/3d the KIA as the NVA.
This current situation the Ivan's aren't doing so good.
This was Russia's DashCon
youre underselling it, its the russian fyre festival
The Russian Burning Man
qrd?
moron trust-fund baby with a history of running cons in the dream of becoming a famous entrepreneur organized a luxury music festival, featuring several well-known artists on a beautiful tropical island, with lavish food and accommodations. It was promoted by several well-known influencers, and quickly became a sensation. However, upon the day of arrival guests learned that in fact there were no famous artists playing, the festival was not in fact on the island advertised but instead a small marina on a nearby island, accommodations included a series of sodden tents and waterlogged mattresses, and food was cafeteria-quality. In addition, it was revealed that all influencers who had advertised the event were paid lavishly to do so, without having stated that clearly. Guests were quickly evacuated, and moron trust-fund baby was indicted and charged with fraud. He was released earlier this year after serving four years in prison, and one can only hope we bear witness to another con of equally preposterous proportions in the future.
There were a couple documentaries released regarding it, I highly recommend watching it as the schadenfreude is quite unmatched when watching stupid people fall for his scam.
>Guests were quickly evacuated
Nope. There was very little transit access to the site and a bunch of people wound up being unable to leave for over 24 hours.
Rolling.
Why not?
>trust fund baby actually serving time in prison
Kek, that's a first
Also
>rolling
He fricked up hard, it's the equivalent of a politician getting up on stage and saying "Kill all Black folk." There's just not a lot of social credit you can do to stop that, you're going down. He left hundreds of rich morons stranded in the middle of nowhere, shit blew up immediately as people watched their misery kek
>a politician getting up on stage and saying "Kill all Black folk."
I'd vote that guy not for the message, but the guts.
Roll
This is kinda sad it shows those people have not matured so things like that make them happy.
It’s more Russia’s Woodstock ‘99
idk what to compare this thing to. I'm curious if this conflict just doesn't die when winter hits. it'll show just how invested both countries are.
>idk what to compare this thing to. I'm curious if this conflict just doesn't die when winter hits. it'll show just how invested both countries are.
The war started in the middle of winter. The cold won't change anything.
it started then because the russian command was banking on ukraine falling apart in a month. if they knew the ukrainians would fight back they would have never gone for a fight in winter.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Any plan that relies on your opponent not fighting back is a bad plan
This shouldn't need to be a military axiom but russia keeps proving the necessity of its existence
This was supposed to be Russia's Desert Storm and ended up being their Bay of Pigs
No. This is a MUCH worse frick-up than the bay of pigs.
nah. the cubans didn't take their stated objectives and only held a beach for like a minute, and were thrown out to die without backup and be more useful as martyred pr props (assuming they genuinely tried). the donetsk rebels are getting bloodied, but still getting the full support of their benefactor. however costly taking ground is to them, they're still slowly but surely advancing.
treason against globalism is duty to liberty, no matter the nation or people. (you)kroids should learn the lesson quick and remove zelensky and his ~~*financiers*~~.
>treason against globalism is duty to liberty, no matter the nation or people. (you)kroids should learn the lesson quick and remove zelensky and his ~~*financiers*~~.
>Yes goy! March to your death! We need to get le ebil Nazis out of Ukraine!
>Bay of Pigs
more like the battles of the isonzo river
>This was supposed to be Russia's Desert Storm
Not to brag but the Desert Storm is some rocket science compared to this assfrickery.
I FRICKING LOVE AIR SUPREMACY
I LOVE RAZING THE ENTIRETY OF THE ENEMY ARMY BEFORE THE FIRST SOLDIER SETS FOOT ON THE GROUND
America is basically like playing an RTS game with cheat codes.
-spawn air craft 9999
we really need to calm down with military or just start a new war again, we havent gone to south america in a few years
If you’re gonna invade us again, can you just kill everyone with an MS-13 tattoo please? Even the rich here aren’t safe from those buttholes.
Sincerely, El Salvador
To be fair it was a coalition of multiple military forces (though still NATO allies), but that just makes it all the more impressive.
I LOVE AIRPLANES I LOVE AIRPLANES I LOVE AIRPLANES ALL HAIL MIC
Russia completely lacks the ability to achieve anything of this strategic complexity, and yet people still believe they could go toe-to-toe with NATO forces?
All that matters for NATO is the air superiority they have over Russia, within a few hours the vast majority of Russia's air force would be incapacitated in any hot war that doesn't involve nukes.
>Russia completely lacks the ability to achieve anything of this strategic complexity, and yet people still believe they could go toe-to-toe with NATO forces?
Not him, but I believe the Russians are still going to try it, simply because why not? It's not as if they have anything to lose even after they've conquered Ukraine, considering that NATO is just waiting for a sufficient reason to trigger Article 5, Russia is sanctioned worse than Iran, North Korea, and Syria combined, their gas industry is breaking down due to them no longer having western replacement parts (they just defaulted on gas shipments to India a couple days ago), their oil starts backing up in the pipelines all the way up to the wellheads (deadly in permafrost) ... what do they have to lose, really? They're already permafricked.
That's what I'm worried about. I live in eastern Austria and that part was occupied by russians from 45 to 55. The horror stories of people who lived through this time were pretty terrible.
And Austria got off light. I cant fathom how awful shit was for everyone east of here.
Personally I think Putin will try something stupid before winter. I just hope he atleast doesn't use nukes.
If you're concerned about it, then you should do everything in your power to ensure that the Russian army dies in Ukraine. It's what the Americans are doing.
not him but the only realistic threat Russia poses to western Europe is its nuclear arsenal, and destroying the Russian army in Ukraine won't change that
No, but the Russians will feel justified in using nukes when they go up against NATO and get utterly crushed. If they can't even make it to NATO there's no national security threat hanging over them, and thus no reason to use them.
There’s plenty of shit they might still try. Every avenue has to be closed. Everyone needs to be strong. Not that we’d lose WW3 but we (the west collectively) have to be strong enough to forestall it.
Jo, viele scheinen die Horrorstories vergessen zu haben, lauter Putinversteher im Land
Man I wish a homie would
>Conquered Ukraine
With what supplies, lol?
Anything Russia can muster.
> after they've conquered Ukraine
stopped reading right there, keep dreaming vatnik concern shill
The funniest thing about Desert Storm was the Marines who had mental breakdowns because they didn't get to kill anyone in the one war they were ever likely to see.
Sophisticated air campaigns get my dick hard
And people wonder why the US Air Force consooms so much of the military's budget.
>this ADHD editing
seriously fricking have a nice day
You have to be THIS moronic or less in order to access this website.
Bay of Pigs is a great analogy because the intel arm of the military really let the trigger pullers down, basically filled with double agents to the point of being co-opted.
Bay of Pigs 2: Electric Boogaloo
>Not the Second Russo-Japanese War: Crimean Boogaloo
It's worse. The rate of material and personel loss is astounding compared to Vietnam or the USSR in Afghanistan. Its also a war where actions have taken place on Russian soil. The VC weren't blowing up depots in America. The U.S. economy was also not hurting due to the war.
>The VC weren't blowing up depots in America.
No, but that would have been much better than the subversives we got. Kent State wasn't enough.
Vietnam war was nowhere close as disastrous as what Ukraine is to Russia. This is more in line with Crassus' Parthia.
I found even better; Napoleon's Russia. Ironic, but the most fitting similarity. Just like with Napoleon, Putin got a bad case of extreme narcissism and delusions of grandeur.
Napoleon actually had some skills and victories on his CV
PutBlack person and his gaggle of retrads have nothing.
To be fair they have Crimea and Georgia, though it's not much of an achievement
Yes Napoleon was a master tactician and a charismatic leader. Putin is a mobster who uses Scorsese movies as inspiration to run a country.
>some
He easily ranked among the best generals of all time.
The thing about Napoleon is that everyone underestimates him by comparing his failure in Russia to Hitler's.
When you stop and think about however, Napoleobs campaign was on another level entirely. Unlike hitler, Napoleon actually did manage to capture Moscow and what's more, he did it with a pre industrial logistics network.
The man was an organisational genius, Napoleons invasion of Russia was a feat of logistics comparable to Hannibal's crossing of the Alps
....and yet him and his giant army lost to Russians. In light of what we're seeing today how could that be possible? Was Napoleon a massively over-hyped military leader who could only win as along as no one seriously fought him?
Hitler also got his ass kicked in Russia, but we know how that happened: Germany was simply too weak to decisively beat them. The generals knew that if they couldn't win by the time winter rolled in they would lose. It was a huge gamble that was supposed to invoke heavenly providence granting victory to those of strong spirit and courage. Intervention of fate didn't happen so Germany simply lost when winter came and the USSR was still alive. Ironically, Hitler refused to pull out even though the invasion had become a strategic failure -- because he didn't want to be Napoleon. Lol.
The belief in the protection of the gods and fate leading the brave to victory was all just bullshit of course. The reality was that the Germany economy was on its last leg, they needed to grab a resource-rich imperial domain or they would collapse and the Nazis might not survive the massive political upheaval. Even though they knew that the war was lost, Hitler simply couldn't admit it and retreat the army which may have also destroyed the Nazis politically. The top Nazis (although not Hitler) had grown very addicted to their new oligarch status. Basically the Nazis and their allies didn't want to surrender their power and wealth so it was much easier to keep pushing in Russia even though it was impossible.
>....and yet him and his giant army lost to Russians.
Second to last:
>and yet him and his giant army lost to Russians. In light of what we're seeing today how could that be possible? Was Napoleon a massively over-hyped military leader who could only win as along as no one seriously fought him?
>Wins the battle of Borodino after marching 600k men into russia, 130k fighting men survive to fight the battle
>Russians burn moscow rather that leave it for napoleons winter quarters
>Takes a scorched earth moscow, sends peace terms to the Tsar
>The tsar fricks off to st.petersburg and doesn't check his email
>Napleon sits on his ass to long hitting f5
>Winter is early and harsh
>Napoleon finally orders retreat while the Tzar picks his nose
>Cold.jpg
>Cossacks.jpg
The winter defeated Napoleon. Not the russians. They got btfo by every metric and just went afk until the server DC/d
Napoleon kicked the ass of the entirety of Europe four times before they finally beat him. No shit he thought he was invincible.
Comparing Napoleon to Putin is an insult to Napoleon
Putin is just like Napoleon at the Battle of Austerlitz, except instead of only pretending like his army was in a pitiful state before attacking Kiev, he actually used an army in a pitiful state.
Napoleon took Moscow, which is more than can be said of Putin and Kyiv (which is next door to Belarus and Russian invading troops which makes it even funnier).
A vietnam is a slow grind war that drags on for several years with no real win conditions, tangible objectives or enemy territory to take.
The vatniks have a hot war where they failed their objectives, fail to take territory and their original win conditions are far beyond their grasp.
More like Russia decided to fight the emus.
More like Russia's Sino-Vietnamese war. Powerful militaries Humiliated by a war torn third world country in less than a year.
I don't think the comparison is apt, because the US was able to develop and field new weapons and tech during and after the war. Russia will have a very difficult time replacing the equipment they're losing.
Ukraine is Russia's Ukraine, just as Vietnam was America's Vietnam, and Afghanistan is everyone's Afghanistan
Underrated post.
If Russia was Vietnam's Afghanistan, then Afghanistan was Vietnam's Ukraine
How the frick did they manage to put a chinook in such a box?
What are the estimates for Russians casualties so far? Deaths? Injuries? Captured?
United States estimates place Russian dead at roughly 15,000. Ukrainian ones put them at 39,000+. I won't even go into the Russian ones because they're a lie and everyone knows it.
Normally, I'd go with the US figure but given the abysmal state of the Russian Army, I'd say this is a gross underestimation. Dedicated MEDEVAC is basically nonexistent in the Russian Army and even when the wounded do receive speedy medical attention, the actual care is itself quite poor. I'll try digging it up but there was an article a few weeks ago saying that Russian medics were performing an abnormally high number of battlefield amputations, which is an indicator that that they're either running out of essential medical supplies like antibiotics (historically speaking, the most frequent cause of battlefield amputations was to mitigate the risk of potentially fatal infections), or that the supplies are themselves spoiled or being stolen.
I'd guess that the total number of dead (KIA, DOW, non-combat deaths, etc.) is actually closer to the Ukrainian estimate and will surpass Vietnam numbers by the end of summer.
>United States estimates place Russian dead at roughly 15,000
Isn't this number ones they can 100% verify through documentation, etc?
Russia didn't fail in A-stan, the Soviet Union did then finished failing which is why it is gone.
Russian Federation has a smoller GDP than troonyfornia and is running on Soviet leftovers without the Warsaw Pact or Ukraine to help.
US won in Vietnam
Russia will win in Ukraine
>US won in Vietnam
Wow, a survivour.
Now show the graveyards where his former comrades still lie.
>Now show the graveyards where his former comrades still lie.
Count the number of American and South Vietnamese flags that fly in Saigon
Show the graveyards.
>50k losses are acceptable as long as you killed a bunch of asiatics before they won the war
Whatever floats your boat I guess
>bunch of asiatics
Post the numbers, yellow Black person.
?
>North Vietnam & Viet Cong: 666.000 - 950,765
>Khmer Rouge: Unknown
>Pathet Lao: Unknow
Very funny. We know the Viet Cong was on its last legs by the time the US pulled out. I'd easily slap another 2 million dead traitors on there.
>"post the numbers yellow Black person"
>"they're obviously incorrect"
Why did you ask for the numbers if you don't like the numbers?
To show that yellow Black folk are lying even about their """""wins""""".
Well then you have yet to make your case
>Loses 10x the amount of men as the US.
>US gets bored of killing asiatics and leaves.
>Immediately turns country to shit for the next several decades.
b-but we won... right?
>Loses 10x the amount of men as the US
>wins
In truth Johnson defeated the US. And the media turn a clear Victory at Tet into a defeat which is still mindblowing.
We going to ignore how Nixon ratfricked Johnsons efforts to settle it by overpromising on military support if he was elected, which made the south go rogue from Johnsons attempts at peace, and just made the war into a bigger mess?
Peace was never a option for North Vietnam, they used this same as the Taliban did. You guys trust too much the Thirdworld to keep their words.
The limited war approach created this mess in the first place. Should escalated, march into North Vietnam and clean up Laos. The entire China would turn this into a second Korea was in the end just fear mongering. They where too busy with their cultural revolution
>And the media turn a clear Victory at Tet into a defeat which is still mindblowing.
Vietnam was a lost cause well before Tet. McNamara pretty much suffered a mental breakdown as he came to realize that the US would have to either start total mobilization and switch to a war economy just to maintain its foothold in Southeast Asia, or face defeat. The only thing that kept him from resigning his post in protest was his personal friendship with Johnson.
lol
What the frick is your disfunction?
That's some weird colouration for Azerbaijan.
Irl is the exact opposite
I post based Russian bantz here and sometimes get over a dozen copelies (cope replies)
Feels good being smarter than westerners thanks to Russian culture of education and intelligent discourse
No. Militarily, the Americans did well in Vietnam, and they never invaded the north.
In Ukraine, the Russians are getting slaughtered.
This is Russia’s Iran-Iraq war. Fricking idiots fricked the whole thing up
Russia's Afghanistan.
Only shit tier countries allow themselves to be over run by buttholes.
No, this is actually much worse, this has become a war of survival for Russia. If Ukraine pulls off a huge victory (such as encircling a lot of troops or taking a 100k city) the Russian people wont just go "oops we lost, too bad, now let's go back to normal" they will riot and demand answers from their government. There will be disorder, looting, mutinies. Maybe even a coup, or worse. It could lead to Russian civil war part 2. The fact that Putin refuses to mobilize people from st Petersburg and Moscow en masse tells me that maybe their social cohesion is much more vulnerable than it used to be. Right now the chances of such happenings are low, specially since the hyped Ukrainian counteroffensive hasn't materialized yet, but unless Putin can turn it around soon...
>This war is like... le Vietnam!
>Isn't nothing like Vietnam
What did OP mean by this?
Only difference is Russia is going to win, an Americans are gonna seeth for a bit and forget.
Just like how they forgot they lost every war since WW2
>Russia is going to win
OK, Vatnik.
>Just like how they forgot they lost every war since WW2
Except the one that actually mattered
>lost
...what? Korea was a "tie", although heavily in our favor. Setting aside Vietnam (which we also won but I don't feel like explaining basic history to brown people who don't want to learn) which wars did we lose since WW2? I'm seriously drawing a blank.
>which we also won but I don't feel like explaining basic history to brown people who don't want to learn
No.
Not even close.
NATO has yet to send it latest weapons in significant numbers, there are no NATO soldiers and ground crews in Ukraine.
And the terrain favors the attackers.
It's nothing like Vietnam. It's like Vietnam-lite at worst.
This is more like Russia's Iran-Iraq War. They're fighting another state's military in what's now practically a complete standstill with constantly rising body counts, and neither side will give up out of pure spite alone.
this new vatnig (subhuman dog) shilling cope of a 'standstill' is hilarious
'the whole invasion was a feint' comes next
I wouldn’t really call it a cope. Iraq objectively lost the war with Iran, failing to achieve any of its original objectives, being forced back to the status quo antebellum, and the regime only barely surviving by the thinnest of margins.
Sicilian Expedition, not Vietnam.
And since most of you don't know what I'm talking about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Expedition
>Athens managed to recover remarkably well from the expedition materially
Comparison dropped right there. The Russians are so fricked on the war material front that it's not funny.
Its more like russias Russo-Japanese war
They went in convinced that they were just inherently better than the other guys and reality slapped them right in their smug fricking face
Russia has lost or has been militarily embarrassed on multiple occasions over the past 117 years.
>Russo-Japanese War
>World War I
>various wars of independence during the Russian Civil War
>Winter War
>Soviet Afghan War
>Chechen Wars
>Russo-Ukraine War
It's Russia's War of 1812. As the USA.
i guess, if you consider ukraine is south vietnam, donbas is vietcong, and russia is the north. then it's kinda similar to 1963. except in this scenario the eventual fall of saigon would be an even more catastrophic event for the u.s., both globally and domestically. it'll be perhaps the most painful strategic disaster in american history.
No lol OP clearly ment the opposite. The Russian Army is in Ukraine while the West start turning this slowly into a Proxy War. Donbabwee is not even comparable to the VC because its literally a bunch of tards with sub 1960 equipment which failed hard to defeat the Ukraine Army in fricking 2014/2015 while being actively supported by Russia (Volunteers, Equipment and Artillery & Air support). Meanwhile Ukraine had some leftover units and some holigans volunteers.
Next time just think for a second and dont apply your politics on a war.
No, this war is Russia's Mexican-American war.
It's Russia's Texas Revolution. It even had it's own Alamo.
Ukraine will be EU state ten years from now.
>implying the eu nations will even exist in a decade
anon i...
It kind of is like Vietnam since russia is going for killcounts, not territory except wienerholes are not rice farmers and with KD ratios estimated 3,5-5:1 in Russia's favor their will to fight will eventually collapse - and unlike afghan or vietnam the population here does not have the will for insurgency since half of them support Russia anyway.
So this is going to be a straight win.
>the population here does not have the will for insurgency since half of them support Russia anyway.
Anon, it's been half a year. Surely if there were so many sympathizers they would show it already somehow.
Does anyone else feel that the vatnik shills aren't even really trying anymore?
I guess cope like this is necessary for vatnik mental health when in reality you can't even get past Sloviansk, or defend your ammuniton depots.
Russians may visit your country but they always leave their trash behind when they leave.
VatBlack folk went mad today, what happened?
Antonivsky Bridge was bombed and Ukrainians liberated some villages around Kherson.
there will never be a vietnam for russian. nothing can ever be so shameful and laughable as vietnam. whole world laughs at dead americans in vietnam, but sees russia slowly taking ukraine as will of god. идитe в жoпy, aмepикaнcкиe cвиньи!
Russia needs to get a little bit more desperate before it manifests something of value.
>Vietnam Guntrucks
Not really.
The US was WAY more competent in Vietnam than Ryssia has been in Ukraine and this despite the fact that Russia has EVERY advantage that the US did not have at that time, from sharing a border to having a larger military.
Russia, on paper, should be able to steam-roll Ukraine and I'm going to give an unpopular opinion: The US would have been in the "peace keeping" and "nation buikding" part of the war by now.
O e thing the mutts do very very well is manage their logistics.
SLAVA UKRANI
You know, as much as I fricking hate Russians, sometimes I wish they'd be barbarians to the right people
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You always know when this idiot is posting.
Never fails lol.