This video show what ukraine tired to do

This video shows precisely what Ukraine tried to do two weeks ago.
It apease that they failed at Phase 3, the breach.

According to this video, the beach is supposed only to take 20 min
Why did it fail?
and no, it was not the ka-52 because they arrived the late
My guess is that they failed at counter artillery

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Me so tired.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They failed to penetrate the minefields, likely something to do with the rainy weather. And it all went downhill from there

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sure thing Rasheed

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >likely something to do with the rainy weather
      reports say they got ambushed by artillery
      also those mine clearing tanks are probably shit, they just push the mines to the side but some mine might slip through

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ambushed by artillery
        Yes, because they took too long to get past the mines.

        notice how the video starts with air support clearing the area first of main threats
        that was the main failure, they didn't properly clear the area and had no support against an ambush
        the commander was incompetent like straight someone from /k/
        >leopards and bradleys will roll over the russians that will be so kino

        I doubt /k/ would ever attempt a breach without massive reserves and with only plows for mine clearing.
        It would either be some incredibly cautious probing attack with recon infantry leading the way or some ridiculous shock and awe operation where every single air asset is focused on bombing this area of the front and the sky is flooded with loitering munitions for immediate counter-battery or just casual warcrimes.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I doubt /k/ would ever attempt a breach without massive reserves and with only plows for mine clearing.
          the reality is they would drive the leos and bradleys straight through the mine field for epic tiktok videos

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean id be over cautious frankly.
          I be doing constant by light pressure with a main focus on trying to draw in reserves assets to prevent nasty suprises later with a high focus on breaking metal.
          IE high focus on counter battery and striking Jammers Radars ect.
          Then while apply pressure use it to map out logistics routes to locate depots as well as locating comm centers to try and find the commanders.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously I don't know for sure, but this seems like almost exactly what Ukraine has been doing. They've been doing small pushes all along the front, baiting Russian artillery then hitting it with counterbattery fire from western systems that outrange everything the Russians have. They've been hitting supply depots and large troop concentrations with Storm Shadows pretty regularly too. I wonder how long it'll be before we start to see the effects of these efforts.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly the dam being blown provided a large short term benfit for russia in allowing them to massively narrow the front line letting them move all troops to counter the offensive the hard oppiste of what ukraine was attempting to do by putting pressure everywhere and raiding russia with "little blue men" to thin them out but the fact the south is basically an unclean wasteland achives the russian objectives of making ukraine uninhabitable and ruining them but also creates a higher logisical demand to also supply clean water for defense lines and crimea.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ukrainians have the same increased logical burdern but frankly thier intenal logicistics are far denser network and more protected to supply thier side rivers clean water while the russian side is thinner IE less routes and has to handle ammo food and water from the army and crimea

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukrainians have the same increased logical burdern
                their depots don't have daily smoking accidents as far I know

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was talking same increased logisical burden from not having clean running water due to blown dam.
                Logistics isnt just ammo but everything logistics my move Fuel Food Ammo People.
                Both sides had running water making the any transport of it be very short or locally availible or reduced amount needed for transport.
                Now same logistic systems require the water burden not just added for troops but civilians in those areas.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                russian troops don't even have clean water or food. they have to drink from puddles and contaminated water from the dam. ukraine is way better at this.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. The rain thing has been confirmed by Brigadegeneral Freuding in German TV.
      Another factor was that the forces that defended the other side of the Nova Kakhovka dam could be moved to where the Ukies attempted to break through.
      However, he also said this wasn't it yet, it's still to be regarded as probing and shaping, as the main forces haven't been committed yet.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        stop with this cope the strongest of the newly formed brigades have already been committed

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Where are the 190 Leo1 in your FSB provided table?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Be honest do you think that Ukraine publishes which piece of equipment goes where or is this just the pentagon leaks + random osint. Why the frick would I know where the leo 1s are. This list isn't even mine I ripped it from here a couple weeks ago

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why the frick would I know where the leo 1s are
              You knew that Ukraine has spent it's force already and provided a FSB provided document as proof. Surely you know where the Leo1 are. Make something up, Vatnik, that's what you are good at.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I get what your trying to do but thats not what I said at all.
                The strongest brigades have been committed. Read the spreadsheet and go look for yourself on the osintowl map or some other equivalent
                The only brigades remaining that haven't been committed (I count 6/12) are the ones populated mostly by Soviet gear with some western MRAPs/APCs thrown in. I'm sure you'd agree they are weaker then the ones already seen. We haven't actually seen the 82nd but the Pentagon said that they are replacing lost Strykers so they've probably also already been committed.
                Your main force is less than half of the new brigades and equipped with Soviet mbts/ifvs and western MRAPS/gavins. I seriously doubt the main force for this offensive is this poorly equipped but I am an FSB agent after all so dont take what I said as gospel

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                shut up vatnik

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pls trust the spreadsheet bros
                no, why would I?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russia confirms, all Leopard 2 and Challenger have been destroyed.
          Ukraine has nothing left, Russian sources say!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are just picking them apart until August.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did it fail?
    the commander was a moron
    you are supposed to attack at night and use superior western optics
    they were going YOLO into a minefield during the day without clearing the are first

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the commander is a moron
      the uke commander deserves some blame, however it's NATO that came up with the plan since NATO is the one with all the fancy ISR capability. blame NATO for doling out equipment and new toys in a piecemeal fashion. It's almost as if they want to drag this war out for as long as possible

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >NATO
        >NATO
        rent free

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They did attack at night but underestimated how long it would take to clear the minefield. The attack went on until after sunrise. Given the information they had their main mistake was not pulling out sooner

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    notice how the video starts with air support clearing the area first of main threats
    that was the main failure, they didn't properly clear the area and had no support against an ambush
    the commander was incompetent like straight someone from /k/
    >leopards and bradleys will roll over the russians that will be so kino

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The video relies on the military being highly capable with strongly developed doctrines — things which AU are NOT. "No breaching operation may ever be standardized they must be meticulously planned with quality intel and full command support etc". Yeah, lol.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    this video is under perfect conditions
    >desert
    >no cover
    >no SAMs
    >air superiority
    >all tanks and artillery destroyed
    if there's just one tank or artillery the mine clearing tank would get destroyed and the whole operation fails just as did for ukies
    but I have no idea why those morons put all bradleys on one spot for an easy kill

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    one guy with an ATGM is enough to stop this operation

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The entire line is being stretched as thin as possible until supplies/communications/defenses sort of collapse from pressure. Russia has too much real estate to hold forever and both sides know it, hence the layers/extra lines on the map.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not watching the video but they didn't get through the minefileds. No air support shutting down immidiatr threats only made things harder.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if you have air superiority. Ukrainian airspace is currently heavily mutually contested and neither side is capable of effectively suppressing artillery during an assault. In the video from the initial assault that the vatniks kept reposting, all the armor was bunched up because they either need to stay behind a mine plow or move through the thin corridor cleared by a MICLIC, and both in both cases it's a great way to catch a shell.

    This is actually probably one of the best applications for UGVs. Just have a big stockpile of dirt cheap RC go carts to systematically sweep an entire field

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if
      Russian sources confirm, only Russian doctrine works all the time, any time.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >only Russian doctrine works all the time, any time
        NTA, but let's be fair: Russian doctrine has quite consistent in achieving the caliber of results that the world has come to associate with the Russian Army over the past year and a half.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >jomini of the kino
          I miss him, apparently he's working on some new maps for the counter-offensive.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          So basically Ukraine is thinking of doing a Flank Attack here? Curious.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if you have air superiority
      and when you fight in a desert

      Why not create a small tracked drone that weighs enough to set off anti-vehicle mines and just drive hundreds of those through the fields?

      Do this to several areas, monitor them with aerial drones to make sure they are not re-mined, then pick the best place to attack, roll through at night.

      or just make drones with mine clearing devices

      They did attack at night but underestimated how long it would take to clear the minefield. The attack went on until after sunrise. Given the information they had their main mistake was not pulling out sooner

      >The attack went on until after sunrise.
      looks like russians were ready for them so they should immediately retreat
      the most moronic thing was pulling all vehicles into one place, that's just inexcusable

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why not create a small tracked drone that weighs enough to set off anti-vehicle mines and just drive hundreds of those through the fields?

    Do this to several areas, monitor them with aerial drones to make sure they are not re-mined, then pick the best place to attack, roll through at night.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You'd be better off making unmanned plows or using line charges. Your method would require a vehicle for every mine you wanted to clear.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if you have air superiority
        and when you fight in a desert
        [...]
        or just make drones with mine clearing devices
        [...]
        >The attack went on until after sunrise.
        looks like russians were ready for them so they should immediately retreat
        the most moronic thing was pulling all vehicles into one place, that's just inexcusable

        I was thinking in terms of cheap, replaceable, but yeah, a plow attached to the front of this tracked vehicle would probably increase the odds of survival, but it requires a lot more torque from the engine and a lot more operator skills.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.bozena.eu/portfolio/bozena-5/?lang=en

          https://i.imgur.com/Wfuh8IX.jpg

          >only Russian doctrine works all the time, any time
          NTA, but let's be fair: Russian doctrine has quite consistent in achieving the caliber of results that the world has come to associate with the Russian Army over the past year and a half.

          >Russian doctrine has quite consistent in achieving the caliber of results that the world has come to associate with the Russian Army over the past year and a half.
          incompetency, corruption, terrorist attacks against civilians

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russian defenses proved far more dogged than I think anyone was expecting. Ukraine still hasn't made it past outpost line defences. That shows their willingness to respond effectively and their willingness to adapt after almost a year of fighting

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    5 bradleys and a leopard is a platoon of infantry with fire support. It's not a counteroffensive. The Ukrainians haven't done anything except probe so far.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's over.... Ukraine should just bow down to the great Russian bear....

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know why it failed.
    This was due to active communication suppression via electronic warfare, explosive demining vehicle shot its load to an incorrect bearing, two out of three demining tracks pussied out because of the EW communication blackout, instead of three line breach had to do one column breach, rest is known.

    In short, it was a flop from beginning but commanders proceeded anyway.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's over.... the thousands of vehicles ukraine had.... gone... poof... like cotton candy in the rain..... if only they had surrendered to mother russia..... if only they hadn't listened to the evil anglo-satans.... this is where they went wrong..... it's literally over...... the fields full of hundreds of burning wrecks.... fields littered with thousands of dead.... russia speeding all the way to Lviv..... they could have avoided this fate.........

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fundamental problem is because of the big open fields flat terrain and summer conditions the overwatch on the minefields is kilometers. Its not possible to clear kilometers deep of overwatched minefield and was never done before. Iraqi minefields in Desert Storm were mostly bypassed except by the marines where they were hard against the border and not in depth.

    Future wars is going to be attrition to last man standing rather than taking ground and fooling out surrenders. Its fine, many wars have been like this before.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can somebody explain the picrel in depth to me? I have a hard time understanding this (despite that I often sketch random Military Unit Structure Diagrams).

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