This video shows precisely what Ukraine tried to do two weeks ago.
It apease that they failed at Phase 3, the breach.
According to this video, the beach is supposed only to take 20 min
Why did it fail?
and no, it was not the ka-52 because they arrived the late
My guess is that they failed at counter artillery
Me so tired.
They failed to penetrate the minefields, likely something to do with the rainy weather. And it all went downhill from there
Sure thing Rasheed
>likely something to do with the rainy weather
reports say they got ambushed by artillery
also those mine clearing tanks are probably shit, they just push the mines to the side but some mine might slip through
>ambushed by artillery
Yes, because they took too long to get past the mines.
I doubt /k/ would ever attempt a breach without massive reserves and with only plows for mine clearing.
It would either be some incredibly cautious probing attack with recon infantry leading the way or some ridiculous shock and awe operation where every single air asset is focused on bombing this area of the front and the sky is flooded with loitering munitions for immediate counter-battery or just casual warcrimes.
>I doubt /k/ would ever attempt a breach without massive reserves and with only plows for mine clearing.
the reality is they would drive the leos and bradleys straight through the mine field for epic tiktok videos
I mean id be over cautious frankly.
I be doing constant by light pressure with a main focus on trying to draw in reserves assets to prevent nasty suprises later with a high focus on breaking metal.
IE high focus on counter battery and striking Jammers Radars ect.
Then while apply pressure use it to map out logistics routes to locate depots as well as locating comm centers to try and find the commanders.
Obviously I don't know for sure, but this seems like almost exactly what Ukraine has been doing. They've been doing small pushes all along the front, baiting Russian artillery then hitting it with counterbattery fire from western systems that outrange everything the Russians have. They've been hitting supply depots and large troop concentrations with Storm Shadows pretty regularly too. I wonder how long it'll be before we start to see the effects of these efforts.
Honestly the dam being blown provided a large short term benfit for russia in allowing them to massively narrow the front line letting them move all troops to counter the offensive the hard oppiste of what ukraine was attempting to do by putting pressure everywhere and raiding russia with "little blue men" to thin them out but the fact the south is basically an unclean wasteland achives the russian objectives of making ukraine uninhabitable and ruining them but also creates a higher logisical demand to also supply clean water for defense lines and crimea.
Ukrainians have the same increased logical burdern but frankly thier intenal logicistics are far denser network and more protected to supply thier side rivers clean water while the russian side is thinner IE less routes and has to handle ammo food and water from the army and crimea
>Ukrainians have the same increased logical burdern
their depots don't have daily smoking accidents as far I know
I was talking same increased logisical burden from not having clean running water due to blown dam.
Logistics isnt just ammo but everything logistics my move Fuel Food Ammo People.
Both sides had running water making the any transport of it be very short or locally availible or reduced amount needed for transport.
Now same logistic systems require the water burden not just added for troops but civilians in those areas.
russian troops don't even have clean water or food. they have to drink from puddles and contaminated water from the dam. ukraine is way better at this.
This. The rain thing has been confirmed by Brigadegeneral Freuding in German TV.
Another factor was that the forces that defended the other side of the Nova Kakhovka dam could be moved to where the Ukies attempted to break through.
However, he also said this wasn't it yet, it's still to be regarded as probing and shaping, as the main forces haven't been committed yet.
stop with this cope the strongest of the newly formed brigades have already been committed
Where are the 190 Leo1 in your FSB provided table?
Be honest do you think that Ukraine publishes which piece of equipment goes where or is this just the pentagon leaks + random osint. Why the frick would I know where the leo 1s are. This list isn't even mine I ripped it from here a couple weeks ago
>Why the frick would I know where the leo 1s are
You knew that Ukraine has spent it's force already and provided a FSB provided document as proof. Surely you know where the Leo1 are. Make something up, Vatnik, that's what you are good at.
I get what your trying to do but thats not what I said at all.
The strongest brigades have been committed. Read the spreadsheet and go look for yourself on the osintowl map or some other equivalent
The only brigades remaining that haven't been committed (I count 6/12) are the ones populated mostly by Soviet gear with some western MRAPs/APCs thrown in. I'm sure you'd agree they are weaker then the ones already seen. We haven't actually seen the 82nd but the Pentagon said that they are replacing lost Strykers so they've probably also already been committed.
Your main force is less than half of the new brigades and equipped with Soviet mbts/ifvs and western MRAPS/gavins. I seriously doubt the main force for this offensive is this poorly equipped but I am an FSB agent after all so dont take what I said as gospel
shut up vatnik
>pls trust the spreadsheet bros
no, why would I?
Russia confirms, all Leopard 2 and Challenger have been destroyed.
Ukraine has nothing left, Russian sources say!
They are just picking them apart until August.
>Why did it fail?
the commander was a moron
you are supposed to attack at night and use superior western optics
they were going YOLO into a minefield during the day without clearing the are first
>the commander is a moron
the uke commander deserves some blame, however it's NATO that came up with the plan since NATO is the one with all the fancy ISR capability. blame NATO for doling out equipment and new toys in a piecemeal fashion. It's almost as if they want to drag this war out for as long as possible
>NATO
>NATO
rent free
They did attack at night but underestimated how long it would take to clear the minefield. The attack went on until after sunrise. Given the information they had their main mistake was not pulling out sooner
notice how the video starts with air support clearing the area first of main threats
that was the main failure, they didn't properly clear the area and had no support against an ambush
the commander was incompetent like straight someone from /k/
>leopards and bradleys will roll over the russians that will be so kino
The video relies on the military being highly capable with strongly developed doctrines — things which AU are NOT. "No breaching operation may ever be standardized they must be meticulously planned with quality intel and full command support etc". Yeah, lol.
this video is under perfect conditions
>desert
>no cover
>no SAMs
>air superiority
>all tanks and artillery destroyed
if there's just one tank or artillery the mine clearing tank would get destroyed and the whole operation fails just as did for ukies
but I have no idea why those morons put all bradleys on one spot for an easy kill
one guy with an ATGM is enough to stop this operation
The entire line is being stretched as thin as possible until supplies/communications/defenses sort of collapse from pressure. Russia has too much real estate to hold forever and both sides know it, hence the layers/extra lines on the map.
Not watching the video but they didn't get through the minefileds. No air support shutting down immidiatr threats only made things harder.
This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if you have air superiority. Ukrainian airspace is currently heavily mutually contested and neither side is capable of effectively suppressing artillery during an assault. In the video from the initial assault that the vatniks kept reposting, all the armor was bunched up because they either need to stay behind a mine plow or move through the thin corridor cleared by a MICLIC, and both in both cases it's a great way to catch a shell.
This is actually probably one of the best applications for UGVs. Just have a big stockpile of dirt cheap RC go carts to systematically sweep an entire field
>This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if
Russian sources confirm, only Russian doctrine works all the time, any time.
>only Russian doctrine works all the time, any time
NTA, but let's be fair: Russian doctrine has quite consistent in achieving the caliber of results that the world has come to associate with the Russian Army over the past year and a half.
>jomini of the kino
I miss him, apparently he's working on some new maps for the counter-offensive.
So basically Ukraine is thinking of doing a Flank Attack here? Curious.
>This tactic, like most NATO doctrine, only works well if you have air superiority
and when you fight in a desert
or just make drones with mine clearing devices
>The attack went on until after sunrise.
looks like russians were ready for them so they should immediately retreat
the most moronic thing was pulling all vehicles into one place, that's just inexcusable
Why not create a small tracked drone that weighs enough to set off anti-vehicle mines and just drive hundreds of those through the fields?
Do this to several areas, monitor them with aerial drones to make sure they are not re-mined, then pick the best place to attack, roll through at night.
You'd be better off making unmanned plows or using line charges. Your method would require a vehicle for every mine you wanted to clear.
I was thinking in terms of cheap, replaceable, but yeah, a plow attached to the front of this tracked vehicle would probably increase the odds of survival, but it requires a lot more torque from the engine and a lot more operator skills.
https://www.bozena.eu/portfolio/bozena-5/?lang=en
>Russian doctrine has quite consistent in achieving the caliber of results that the world has come to associate with the Russian Army over the past year and a half.
incompetency, corruption, terrorist attacks against civilians
Russian defenses proved far more dogged than I think anyone was expecting. Ukraine still hasn't made it past outpost line defences. That shows their willingness to respond effectively and their willingness to adapt after almost a year of fighting
5 bradleys and a leopard is a platoon of infantry with fire support. It's not a counteroffensive. The Ukrainians haven't done anything except probe so far.
It's over.... Ukraine should just bow down to the great Russian bear....
I know why it failed.
This was due to active communication suppression via electronic warfare, explosive demining vehicle shot its load to an incorrect bearing, two out of three demining tracks pussied out because of the EW communication blackout, instead of three line breach had to do one column breach, rest is known.
In short, it was a flop from beginning but commanders proceeded anyway.
it's over.... the thousands of vehicles ukraine had.... gone... poof... like cotton candy in the rain..... if only they had surrendered to mother russia..... if only they hadn't listened to the evil anglo-satans.... this is where they went wrong..... it's literally over...... the fields full of hundreds of burning wrecks.... fields littered with thousands of dead.... russia speeding all the way to Lviv..... they could have avoided this fate.........
Fundamental problem is because of the big open fields flat terrain and summer conditions the overwatch on the minefields is kilometers. Its not possible to clear kilometers deep of overwatched minefield and was never done before. Iraqi minefields in Desert Storm were mostly bypassed except by the marines where they were hard against the border and not in depth.
Future wars is going to be attrition to last man standing rather than taking ground and fooling out surrenders. Its fine, many wars have been like this before.
Can somebody explain the picrel in depth to me? I have a hard time understanding this (despite that I often sketch random Military Unit Structure Diagrams).