Many if not most 4-bores were designed to fire a round ball; my guess is that those are meant for that type of rifle so they're either a round ball or a slug that's very close to a round ball in shape. I also suspect it's a "nitro for black" loading--loaded with smokeless powder but designed to be used in a black powder gun. 70 grains of cordite is a lot generally speaking but not really when you consider the size of the cartridge. Also, you see those groves crimped into the sides of the brass? Those are stops for wads, most likely the cordite only fills the space from the case head up to that round groove, and that everything from the groove up to the base of the bullet is filled with wads, so these are pretty weak as far as 4-bores go. But even so they're going to be fricking huge, a 4-bore round ball weighs 1750 grains and any sort of slug would only be heavier than that.
OP kills the rabbit and the elephant behind the rabbit. All descended from the great, the one and only 577 snider the first mass issue brass infantry cartridge, built to power an empire so evil that darth vader would have been weak sauce compared to the average district commissioner. Used to go to Abyssinia slaughter a Christian monarch who asked for help against Muslim enemies. Used to keep the population of Ireland that survived the famine in their impoverished place and also to sustain the abomination that is monarchist Canada, also used by Indian forces in the second anglo afghan war, when the british killed all the fruit and other trees by cutting the bark off so they would die in winter. It's descendants slaughtered so much large wild game in Africa, some species are today facing extinction. Not just that but also used to massacre unarmed aborigines in Australia to clear land for cattle, run to exhaustion and then shot with a snider, women, kids the lot. The snider and its big game descendants are touch by the hand of Satan himself in the form of the British empire over which their flag flew like a butchers apron. Banned by the Geneva convention due to the explosive effect of the compressed gas cavity in the bullet, so devastating on humans than its successor the martin henry in 4650-577 was seen as 'weak', the bullet of elephant and people murder the 577, 4 bore and nitro descendants
Not exactly. There was very little actual massacre in the wars of the 1860's, and the vast majority of the land was taken by a cleverly designed piece of legislation called the Native Lands Act which ostensibly was to determine title of land in question and verify the identities of the true owners but in practice was used to drown the iwi in legal fees and other assorted costs that they would have to sell the land anyway.
Good. Glad you did not read it, people with no personality who need to signal their moronic tribe like you and trannies who are obsessed with US politics reddit and /misc/ have fricking nothing interesting to say and know frick all about anything anyway. Star wars may be dead but at least it was original and good once, unlike you reddit and /misc/
>Good. Glad you did not read it, people with no personality who need to signal their moronic tribe like you and trannies who are obsessed with US politics reddit and /misc/ have fricking nothing interesting to say and know frick all about anything anyway.
My moronic tribe? I don't think that spacetravel would be trivial within a millenia without racial cleansing
>Star wars may be dead but at least it was original and good once, unlike you reddit and /misc/ >Original and good once
Seems like a waste of time. Why not have a nice day?
It was also used to massacre and steal the land from the Maori in the New Zealand Land wars.
Most people who own elephant guns never go on safari. Because trophy hunting endangered species is evil.
Good. Glad you did not read it, people with no personality who need to signal their moronic tribe like you and trannies who are obsessed with US politics reddit and /misc/ have fricking nothing interesting to say and know frick all about anything anyway. Star wars may be dead but at least it was original and good once, unlike you reddit and /misc/
>darth vader
Stopped reading after that. Maybe you should copy and paste your post onto reddit?
>Stopped reading after that. Maybe you should copy and paste your post onto reddit?
So fricking bland. So stale. So boring. Muh Reddit. Muh 2016 moron.
You can give him all the ritalin you like and he'll still be a boring c**t
>built to power an empire so evil that darth vader would have been weak sauce compared to the average district commissioner.
I get this is bait, but the British Empire was actually the mildest of all the Imperialist nations. If you had to be colonised by someone, you'd want it to be them. In sheer brutality contests, noone really beats the Ottomans, but the Russians come close. The French and the Belgians would "only" take your hands off and the germans were genocidal c**ts even back then.
Meanwhile the Brits mostly just wanted you to behave yourself decently and participate in trade at mildly unfavourable conditions. >Used to go to Abyssinia slaughter a Christian monarch who asked for help against Muslim enemies.
Emperor Theodore wasn't really a Christian. He slaughtered literally thousands of his own people because he was fricking nuts, and held a dozen Westerners hostage because the Queen didn't answer his letter to her.
The rest of your post is similarly bullshit but I'm afraid I can't really be bothered to take it all apart.
>He slaughtered literally thousands of his own people because he was fricking nuts, and held a dozen Westerners hostage because the Queen didn't answer his letter to her.
Why didn't the Queen respond?
Many if not most 4-bores were designed to fire a round ball; my guess is that those are meant for that type of rifle so they're either a round ball or a slug that's very close to a round ball in shape. I also suspect it's a "nitro for black" loading--loaded with smokeless powder but designed to be used in a black powder gun. 70 grains of cordite is a lot generally speaking but not really when you consider the size of the cartridge. Also, you see those groves crimped into the sides of the brass? Those are stops for wads, most likely the cordite only fills the space from the case head up to that round groove, and that everything from the groove up to the base of the bullet is filled with wads, so these are pretty weak as far as 4-bores go. But even so they're going to be fricking huge, a 4-bore round ball weighs 1750 grains and any sort of slug would only be heavier than that.
Does anybody still make 4 bore ammo? Even as dummy rounds(pic related)
As far as loaded ammo goes, no, and they've been discontinued for years. The North American Migratory Bird Treaty Act from 1918 bans the use of anything larger than a 10ga for hunting in USA and Canada, the larger gauges were pretty much dead in the US at that point. Those large guns are legal to use for hunting in Scotland and England to this day but according to my books the commercial ammo stopped being produced back in the 1960s. Even then it was tricky because those old guns were made at a time before modern standardization so your 4-bore might take slightly different size cartridges than your hunting buddy's. People who shoot those guns today are handloading their own shells.
Ken Owen (gunsmith in TN) made a small run of custom 4 bore doubles a few years ago and produced loaded ammo (soft points and solids) at that time. Not sure if he does it anymore, but it's possible he might do special orders. There's a video on YouTube of a guy who brought one of the Owens 4 bores to Tanzania to hunt Cape Buffalo.
He doesn't actually shoot the 4 bore in the vid, which is pretty gay, but he talks about all three rifles he brought on safari at the beginning. A custom .500 Jeffery, .600 Overkill, and the 4 bore double. I believe those 4 bores retailed for like $100K. The 600 OK is custom built on a CZ550 action.
There are other videos out there of the dude shooting the 4 bore, but can't find them right now.
I'm not that anon, but if you're willing to go for the very-expensive-custom-made route I'd contact one of the big dealers of double guns and ask if they have any contacts. Contact someone like Hallowell & Co., Champlin, Steve Barnett Fine Guns, William Larkin Moore & Sons, Double Gun Headquarters, etc.
Heck, they might know of a round or two lying around somewhere if you just want one for a collection.
Also, I have a book on 8- and 4-bore shotguns published in 2007. It gives a few sources which might be of use.
Precision Reloading Inc in Mitchell South Dakota, 8002230900....is described as having 8 bore loading supplies and might know where to hook you up for 4 bore.
These two gentlemen, both in England, were described has having made 4 bore cartridges. No contact information was given, only names: Alan Myers and John Millar.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The spam filter wouldn't let me post the whole address for PRI.
124 Main Street
57301
Wait, WTF? Most of those cans of shot make sense. Stuff like AA, BB, AAA, etc, are large birdshot sizes, exactly the kind of thing you'd normally load a punt gun with. Now SSG? That's #1 Buckshot. #8? English #8 is even smaller than American #8. That's some small shit. Were they hunting doves with this thing? And fricking D? Aka "Dust" shot? That's like the stuff loaded in .22 shotshells. #12, if not smaller. Dafuq do you use a punt gun shell loaded with #12 birdshot for? Locust swarms?
I recall reading from early 90's Wooden Boat magazine that one alleged record for a single punt gun shot was more than 300 oxbirds. In a one shot.
I assume the pressure wave alone must have killed at least 1/3 of them. Really, the whole idea of punt gun was to get as much of catch as possible in one shot.
I believe the record.
The idea behind punt guns varied a LOT depending on if you were talking about North America or England. In England they were shot from boats (hence the name "punt" gun), and they were used to target waterfowl at a distance. Long distance means you need a large shot size to carry killing energy that far, and large shot size means you need a really big shell to have enough of them to have a reasonable pattern at distance. That was the basic logic. They would often get multiple birds at once, but they were not putting up numbers in the hundreds. In North America "punt" guns were usually used on land, and they shot birds over baited ground to get the maximum number for market hunting. That gun I posted is clearly set up for use on a boat and the shot containers all use English designations instead of North American, hence why I was expressing my confusion.
On the West Coast of the US people used "bull guns" like picrel. These usually had 4 barrels and were made by grafting a 2nd set of barrels on top of an existing double-barrel, and drilling touchholes through the chambers so the pairs of barrels would fire at the same time. They were also very short. As crazy as it sounds, the idea was that a hunter would sneak around behind a trained cow, working ever and ever closer to the birds (hence the name "bull gun"). When he got close to the flock he'd jump out from behind the cow and let er' rip.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This has a pair of 6ga barrels soldered on top of a 4ga base gun.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A vintage newspaper article on the subject
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine the recoil on that thing when all 4 barrel go at once...
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Os6xcMN.jpg
A vintage newspaper article on the subject
> 2 shots per trigger pull
Still a hell of a boom.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, only 2 fire at once but it would still be pretty brutal. 4-bores typically weighed about as much as that gun, but it's throwing a 6-bore load in addition to the 4-bore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, only 2 fire at once but it would still be pretty brutal. 4-bores typically weighed about as much as that gun, but it's throwing a 6-bore load in addition to the 4-bore.
I wish they'd all shoot at once. Not for any reason but it would make me happy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That and to IRL shotgun jump like its TF2
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/vjEIsyS.jpg
This has a pair of 6ga barrels soldered on top of a 4ga base gun.
Enough boomstick to make Doomguy blush.
Its insane the kind of mass wildlife killing that used to take place. Its no wonder we almost made so many species go extinct. We didn't even need anything particularly special for buffalo either, we just shot them to death with Sharps rifles and shit like that.
Its really interesting going back and reading about what people thought of animal conservation at that time. Many people knew it needed to be done, but there was enough of a desire for money made from it that the hunters didn't give a shit until it was finally banned.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Its insane the kind of mass wildlife killing that used to take place.
Sport shooting in the 19th century put market hunting with punt guns to shame.
For example, picrel, who is probably best described here:
https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill
But at the same time it wasn't all bad; in order to rack up those massive kill numbers at big shoots there was an awful lot of work done to get that many birds to live in the area in the first place. You'd probably have a hard time finding a pheasant in England if it weren't so popular to shoot them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill
Jesus Christ. No kids, shooting that quantity of game and that number of random shit. This man LOVED to kill.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And that sort of shit is why the Euros, mainly the Brits, got so good at building shotguns. Bird shoots were en vogue with the European royalty for the latter half of the 19th century and the first part of the 20th. The same way that CEOs hang out over a game of golf today, you'd have important people from different countries hanging out for a bird shoot. National pride got into the equation too, after all, no Brit wants to have a Frenchman shoot more grouse than he did, and vice-versa. You had a perfect situation for building top tier guns:
1) super experienced, very demanding customers
2) those customers had loads of money
3) plenty of skilled labor available
It's a situation I don't think will ever happen again in the history of firearms development. Sure we will have new modern materials and manufacturing methods they didn't have back then, but we will never again have the experience, either from the craftsmen or from the shooter. Where do you find someone today who has that kind of trigger time?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fricking pheasants. Stupidest bird to ever live. I should ask PrepHole how to butcher them because you can grab them off the road, live, by hand here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lay them on their back. Spread the wings. Stand on bird’s wings. Pull the legs straight up. Guts, head, and skin come off, then just snip the wings off. Voila.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and skin come off
You fricked up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's how you clean a bird anon, go look up how to clean a rabbit
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a fast lazy way to clean a bird that has the side-effect of fricking up the culinary experience later. Most game birds are lean as hell, you want the skin to keep the moisture in when you cook them. Not to mention the skin is the tastiest part.
Wait. So if you hand load a 12 gauge shell into an 8 bore as the projectile could this in theory have a slightly delayed reaction in triggering the primer on the 12 gauge and give it a tighter grouping, longer range, and higher velocity? /k/ needs the answer to this. The ballistic ramifications are enormous. You guys…we might have just uncovered the final solution to the humming bird question.
Does anyone know of a video of someone shooting small game with a ridiculously oversized round? Like smacking a rabbit with .300 winmag or something?
I just want to see the red mist and chunky salsa that occurs.
African wildlife preserves often auction off hunting tags for specific eldery animals and use the proceeds to fund conservation efforts. Ethical big game hunting is most definitely a thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ethical big game hunting is most definitely a thing. >Less and less animals every year despite the "conservative money"
is it possible you've been sold a lie that you wanted to believe in?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know hippos are a pest that is regulated right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think so. There would be fewer still animals without that conservation money. The vast majority of anti-poaching efforts in Africa are funded by hunters, and rather than legal hunting, it's the poachers who are the real problem. Until old, rich, Chinese men stop believing that consuming rhino horn or tiger penis will make their peepee hard again there will always be a poaching problem, money makes desperate people do stupid things.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Less and less animals every year
source?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>all african megafauna are the northern white rhino
why are the bullets so smoll?
The continue down into the brass cartridge o simple one.
Many if not most 4-bores were designed to fire a round ball; my guess is that those are meant for that type of rifle so they're either a round ball or a slug that's very close to a round ball in shape. I also suspect it's a "nitro for black" loading--loaded with smokeless powder but designed to be used in a black powder gun. 70 grains of cordite is a lot generally speaking but not really when you consider the size of the cartridge. Also, you see those groves crimped into the sides of the brass? Those are stops for wads, most likely the cordite only fills the space from the case head up to that round groove, and that everything from the groove up to the base of the bullet is filled with wads, so these are pretty weak as far as 4-bores go. But even so they're going to be fricking huge, a 4-bore round ball weighs 1750 grains and any sort of slug would only be heavier than that.
OP kills the rabbit and the elephant behind the rabbit. All descended from the great, the one and only 577 snider the first mass issue brass infantry cartridge, built to power an empire so evil that darth vader would have been weak sauce compared to the average district commissioner. Used to go to Abyssinia slaughter a Christian monarch who asked for help against Muslim enemies. Used to keep the population of Ireland that survived the famine in their impoverished place and also to sustain the abomination that is monarchist Canada, also used by Indian forces in the second anglo afghan war, when the british killed all the fruit and other trees by cutting the bark off so they would die in winter. It's descendants slaughtered so much large wild game in Africa, some species are today facing extinction. Not just that but also used to massacre unarmed aborigines in Australia to clear land for cattle, run to exhaustion and then shot with a snider, women, kids the lot. The snider and its big game descendants are touch by the hand of Satan himself in the form of the British empire over which their flag flew like a butchers apron. Banned by the Geneva convention due to the explosive effect of the compressed gas cavity in the bullet, so devastating on humans than its successor the martin henry in 4650-577 was seen as 'weak', the bullet of elephant and people murder the 577, 4 bore and nitro descendants
It was also used to massacre and steal the land from the Maori in the New Zealand Land wars.
did the Maori also use them when they genocided the Chatham islanders?
>did the Maori also use them when they genocided the Chatham islanders?
Nah to early for that the snider was 1866
Actually cool documentary about weapons and fricking and fighting
Not exactly. There was very little actual massacre in the wars of the 1860's, and the vast majority of the land was taken by a cleverly designed piece of legislation called the Native Lands Act which ostensibly was to determine title of land in question and verify the identities of the true owners but in practice was used to drown the iwi in legal fees and other assorted costs that they would have to sell the land anyway.
Formerly chucker
You tell 'em!
Everyone knows smallpox infected blankets are the gentleman's indigenous genocide tool.
You know that didn't happen right?
They don't know anything, anon.
mfw wrote 2 papers on why this was justified
>"hey white man! come outside your fort, lets play soccer!"
>darth vader
Stopped reading after that. Maybe you should copy and paste your post onto reddit?
Good. Glad you did not read it, people with no personality who need to signal their moronic tribe like you and trannies who are obsessed with US politics reddit and /misc/ have fricking nothing interesting to say and know frick all about anything anyway. Star wars may be dead but at least it was original and good once, unlike you reddit and /misc/
>Good. Glad you did not read it, people with no personality who need to signal their moronic tribe like you and trannies who are obsessed with US politics reddit and /misc/ have fricking nothing interesting to say and know frick all about anything anyway.
My moronic tribe? I don't think that spacetravel would be trivial within a millenia without racial cleansing
>Star wars may be dead but at least it was original and good once, unlike you reddit and /misc/
>Original and good once
Seems like a waste of time. Why not have a nice day?
>racial cleansing
dude just go back nobody wants you here
I hope you own a gun one day just so you can use it to have a nice day.
meds
>Stopped reading after that. Maybe you should copy and paste your post onto reddit?
So fricking bland. So stale. So boring. Muh Reddit. Muh 2016 moron.
You can give him all the ritalin you like and he'll still be a boring c**t
Do you work in marketing? Because you've sold me on this stuff.
>built to power an empire so evil that darth vader would have been weak sauce compared to the average district commissioner.
I get this is bait, but the British Empire was actually the mildest of all the Imperialist nations. If you had to be colonised by someone, you'd want it to be them. In sheer brutality contests, noone really beats the Ottomans, but the Russians come close. The French and the Belgians would "only" take your hands off and the germans were genocidal c**ts even back then.
Meanwhile the Brits mostly just wanted you to behave yourself decently and participate in trade at mildly unfavourable conditions.
>Used to go to Abyssinia slaughter a Christian monarch who asked for help against Muslim enemies.
Emperor Theodore wasn't really a Christian. He slaughtered literally thousands of his own people because he was fricking nuts, and held a dozen Westerners hostage because the Queen didn't answer his letter to her.
The rest of your post is similarly bullshit but I'm afraid I can't really be bothered to take it all apart.
>He slaughtered literally thousands of his own people because he was fricking nuts, and held a dozen Westerners hostage because the Queen didn't answer his letter to her.
Why didn't the Queen respond?
Because she didn't speak Abyssinian.
>and the germans were genocidal c**ts even back then
The Herero were kinda moronic though, half of that was on them in my opinion.
>70 grains of cordite
the forbidden spaghetti
Kinoglycerine
Does anybody still make 4 bore ammo? Even as dummy rounds(pic related)
As far as loaded ammo goes, no, and they've been discontinued for years. The North American Migratory Bird Treaty Act from 1918 bans the use of anything larger than a 10ga for hunting in USA and Canada, the larger gauges were pretty much dead in the US at that point. Those large guns are legal to use for hunting in Scotland and England to this day but according to my books the commercial ammo stopped being produced back in the 1960s. Even then it was tricky because those old guns were made at a time before modern standardization so your 4-bore might take slightly different size cartridges than your hunting buddy's. People who shoot those guns today are handloading their own shells.
Ken Owen (gunsmith in TN) made a small run of custom 4 bore doubles a few years ago and produced loaded ammo (soft points and solids) at that time. Not sure if he does it anymore, but it's possible he might do special orders. There's a video on YouTube of a guy who brought one of the Owens 4 bores to Tanzania to hunt Cape Buffalo.
>There's a video on YouTube of a guy who brought one of the Owens 4 bores to Tanzania to hunt Cape Buffalo.
link?
He doesn't actually shoot the 4 bore in the vid, which is pretty gay, but he talks about all three rifles he brought on safari at the beginning. A custom .500 Jeffery, .600 Overkill, and the 4 bore double. I believe those 4 bores retailed for like $100K. The 600 OK is custom built on a CZ550 action.
There are other videos out there of the dude shooting the 4 bore, but can't find them right now.
>that vid
nice
Got a contact link for the gentleman? Was looking to get some dummies made like in the picture above.
Nope, I don't, unfortunately. I couldn't find any contact info from googling.
I'm not that anon, but if you're willing to go for the very-expensive-custom-made route I'd contact one of the big dealers of double guns and ask if they have any contacts. Contact someone like Hallowell & Co., Champlin, Steve Barnett Fine Guns, William Larkin Moore & Sons, Double Gun Headquarters, etc.
Heck, they might know of a round or two lying around somewhere if you just want one for a collection.
Also, I have a book on 8- and 4-bore shotguns published in 2007. It gives a few sources which might be of use.
Precision Reloading Inc in Mitchell South Dakota, 8002230900....is described as having 8 bore loading supplies and might know where to hook you up for 4 bore.
These two gentlemen, both in England, were described has having made 4 bore cartridges. No contact information was given, only names: Alan Myers and John Millar.
The spam filter wouldn't let me post the whole address for PRI.
124 Main Street
57301
>24 ounces of British AAA
holy frick, that's pretty close to 500-pellet #4 buckshot.
>Punt Gun Cartridge
that's a big ass gun
>24oz
Man the brits used to be pretty based
Right up to the point the US started having international relevance. Real shame that rifleman didn't take the shot on Washington.
duck season already?
Wait, WTF? Most of those cans of shot make sense. Stuff like AA, BB, AAA, etc, are large birdshot sizes, exactly the kind of thing you'd normally load a punt gun with. Now SSG? That's #1 Buckshot. #8? English #8 is even smaller than American #8. That's some small shit. Were they hunting doves with this thing? And fricking D? Aka "Dust" shot? That's like the stuff loaded in .22 shotshells. #12, if not smaller. Dafuq do you use a punt gun shell loaded with #12 birdshot for? Locust swarms?
Mosquitos
I recall reading from early 90's Wooden Boat magazine that one alleged record for a single punt gun shot was more than 300 oxbirds. In a one shot.
I assume the pressure wave alone must have killed at least 1/3 of them. Really, the whole idea of punt gun was to get as much of catch as possible in one shot.
I believe the record.
The idea behind punt guns varied a LOT depending on if you were talking about North America or England. In England they were shot from boats (hence the name "punt" gun), and they were used to target waterfowl at a distance. Long distance means you need a large shot size to carry killing energy that far, and large shot size means you need a really big shell to have enough of them to have a reasonable pattern at distance. That was the basic logic. They would often get multiple birds at once, but they were not putting up numbers in the hundreds. In North America "punt" guns were usually used on land, and they shot birds over baited ground to get the maximum number for market hunting. That gun I posted is clearly set up for use on a boat and the shot containers all use English designations instead of North American, hence why I was expressing my confusion.
On the West Coast of the US people used "bull guns" like picrel. These usually had 4 barrels and were made by grafting a 2nd set of barrels on top of an existing double-barrel, and drilling touchholes through the chambers so the pairs of barrels would fire at the same time. They were also very short. As crazy as it sounds, the idea was that a hunter would sneak around behind a trained cow, working ever and ever closer to the birds (hence the name "bull gun"). When he got close to the flock he'd jump out from behind the cow and let er' rip.
This has a pair of 6ga barrels soldered on top of a 4ga base gun.
A vintage newspaper article on the subject
Imagine the recoil on that thing when all 4 barrel go at once...
> 2 shots per trigger pull
Still a hell of a boom.
Yeah, only 2 fire at once but it would still be pretty brutal. 4-bores typically weighed about as much as that gun, but it's throwing a 6-bore load in addition to the 4-bore.
I wish they'd all shoot at once. Not for any reason but it would make me happy.
That and to IRL shotgun jump like its TF2
Enough boomstick to make Doomguy blush.
Its insane the kind of mass wildlife killing that used to take place. Its no wonder we almost made so many species go extinct. We didn't even need anything particularly special for buffalo either, we just shot them to death with Sharps rifles and shit like that.
Its really interesting going back and reading about what people thought of animal conservation at that time. Many people knew it needed to be done, but there was enough of a desire for money made from it that the hunters didn't give a shit until it was finally banned.
>Its insane the kind of mass wildlife killing that used to take place.
Sport shooting in the 19th century put market hunting with punt guns to shame.
For example, picrel, who is probably best described here:
https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill
But at the same time it wasn't all bad; in order to rack up those massive kill numbers at big shoots there was an awful lot of work done to get that many birds to live in the area in the first place. You'd probably have a hard time finding a pheasant in England if it weren't so popular to shoot them.
>https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill
Jesus Christ. No kids, shooting that quantity of game and that number of random shit. This man LOVED to kill.
And that sort of shit is why the Euros, mainly the Brits, got so good at building shotguns. Bird shoots were en vogue with the European royalty for the latter half of the 19th century and the first part of the 20th. The same way that CEOs hang out over a game of golf today, you'd have important people from different countries hanging out for a bird shoot. National pride got into the equation too, after all, no Brit wants to have a Frenchman shoot more grouse than he did, and vice-versa. You had a perfect situation for building top tier guns:
1) super experienced, very demanding customers
2) those customers had loads of money
3) plenty of skilled labor available
It's a situation I don't think will ever happen again in the history of firearms development. Sure we will have new modern materials and manufacturing methods they didn't have back then, but we will never again have the experience, either from the craftsmen or from the shooter. Where do you find someone today who has that kind of trigger time?
Fricking pheasants. Stupidest bird to ever live. I should ask PrepHole how to butcher them because you can grab them off the road, live, by hand here.
Lay them on their back. Spread the wings. Stand on bird’s wings. Pull the legs straight up. Guts, head, and skin come off, then just snip the wings off. Voila.
>and skin come off
You fricked up.
That's how you clean a bird anon, go look up how to clean a rabbit
It's a fast lazy way to clean a bird that has the side-effect of fricking up the culinary experience later. Most game birds are lean as hell, you want the skin to keep the moisture in when you cook them. Not to mention the skin is the tastiest part.
Black folk
>tfw no punt machine cannon to eliminate a whole flock of geese in under 3 seconds
>punt machine cannon
what did the birds do to ever deserve this fate?
>24oz
Americans may lay claim to the top tier military armaments, but the Brits are responsible for the most kino civilian weapons.
ITT, /k/ goes wabbit hunting
>In b4 spear & magic helmet
SPEAR & MAGIC HELMET?
MAGIC HELMET
oh man, big chungus has seen better days.
>kill da wabbit kill da wabbit
Are 8Ga Slugs good enough for rabbit, or will I have to get something more potent?
The magnum ones ought to do the job 🙂
I have an 8-bore black powder rifle; here is a 12ga shell dropped down inside the brass.
Fill the 12 guage with .22lr
Can we see the rifle?
Wait. So if you hand load a 12 gauge shell into an 8 bore as the projectile could this in theory have a slightly delayed reaction in triggering the primer on the 12 gauge and give it a tighter grouping, longer range, and higher velocity? /k/ needs the answer to this. The ballistic ramifications are enormous. You guys…we might have just uncovered the final solution to the humming bird question.
>the humming bird question.
Peter Hofer made a .17 HMR double rifle, weighing 2.2 lbs, with a hummingbird motif.
Aw man, don't shoot the hummingbirds : (
What in the Frick am I looking at.
8ga industrial slugs. used for knocking built-up residue out of kilns and furnaces without having to shut them down.
>1000 grains
Those are at least 1750 grains if they are round balls, which it doesn't look like. They're probably 2000+ grain short fat slugs.
>rabbit hunting with guns
Does anyone know of a video of someone shooting small game with a ridiculously oversized round? Like smacking a rabbit with .300 winmag or something?
I just want to see the red mist and chunky salsa that occurs.
watch Prarie dog videos
Knowing I'll never own an elephant gun, maybe I'll start collecting their ammo
Why won’t you?
There really isn't a point when afaik all of the cartridges are out classed by .50bmg, which is cheaper too.
Go find a 50 BMG double gun.
Elephant guns are much smaller and lighter than .50bmg rifles. Plus I don't think you're allowed to hunt with one on safari.
Most people who own elephant guns never go on safari. Because trophy hunting endangered species is evil.
Myopic and homosexual pilled
I for one wish endangered species to be made more common so that more people can experience hunting them for generations to come.
Actual fricking moron. What even is herd management? Touch brass homosexual.
African wildlife preserves often auction off hunting tags for specific eldery animals and use the proceeds to fund conservation efforts. Ethical big game hunting is most definitely a thing.
>Ethical big game hunting is most definitely a thing.
>Less and less animals every year despite the "conservative money"
is it possible you've been sold a lie that you wanted to believe in?
You know hippos are a pest that is regulated right?
I don't think so. There would be fewer still animals without that conservation money. The vast majority of anti-poaching efforts in Africa are funded by hunters, and rather than legal hunting, it's the poachers who are the real problem. Until old, rich, Chinese men stop believing that consuming rhino horn or tiger penis will make their peepee hard again there will always be a poaching problem, money makes desperate people do stupid things.
>Less and less animals every year
source?
>all african megafauna are the northern white rhino
If you own something that can fire this, money is no object
Good thread
aye, but will it kill the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog? It is truly a ferocious beast, with nasty big pointy teeth.
It can’t kill a Jackalope. Check mate.
>not a spear and magic helmet
ngmi
Well no shit.
*wabbit
But it's duck season.