Reload your own. I’m at 55 cents per round and could do even cheaper if I would cast my own. Check out castbullet.com The author unfortunately passed away but he did good loads in 30-30.
i make less than $100 an hour so it certainly is. I prime or reload a hundred or two hundred rounds every night while im sitting by my desk shitposting or watching tv before bed and it adds up fast
I can't imagine what it's like to be a money grubbing israelite who can view time in nothing other than shekels. A being so hell bent on increasing their portfolio that they have no life. Some of us find value in entertainment and hobbies. If we save a few pennies doing it, that's only a plus. Be it autobody work, gardening, or reloading. I would feel pity for your kind, but it's not worth my time. I'm too busy having fun.
Yah, the Mormons can be weird as frick sometimes but they are pretty based when it comes to anything firearms related. Lived in Utah for 3 years, its a good state as long as you can put up with the stupid as frick alcohol laws.
Serious question. Is there any reason besides aesthetics to run a 30-30? Isn't it basically outperformed by literally every modern cartridge? Even intermediate cartridges like 6mm arc, 6.8 spc or 300blk (Supersonic) seem like they'd outperform it. Then again I'm a non hunter citygay
It's an old cartridge with a rim, so that alone means lever action, which is going to be a deal breaker. However...
> Outperform it
That's a topic that's a mile wide. If you mean external ballistics, lots of rounds surpass it. But .30-30 is all about chunking 150-170gr .30 bullets over 2000fps, with recoil lower than a lot of other full power cartridges. If you wanted a slightly upjumped 7.62x39 that shot heavier bullets, .30-30 is pretty much the ticket. Older shooters who cannot shoot .308 comfortably due to arthritis can switch to a lever gun for easy shots inside 150-200y.
That said, I am picking up a Ruger 77/44 because it is even lighter than a Win 94 or a 336. I have a bunch of 30-30s and love them tough. Not bad on most things here in PA that benifit from a center fire rifle.
I'm going to guess you've never watched a man who did manually labor everyday of his life get worn down by age, but it fricking sucks man. And eventually, it will happen to us too, if we're lucky.
Maybe so, but my old man used it to put his kids through engineering and tech schools, so it's good for that. Shade of trees they will never sit under, etc.
>Serious question. Is there any reason besides aesthetics to run a 30-30? Isn't it basically outperformed by literally every modern cartridge? Even intermediate cartridges like 6mm arc, 6.8 spc or 300blk (Supersonic) seem like they'd outperform it. Then again I'm a non hunter citygay
I used to carry a 30-30 when in thick brush.
I switched to a 16" 300blk, ballistics are pretty identical, OAL is shorter than the 336, it's lighter, better sling set up, etc.
I'll actually answer the question because no one else is. Lots of midwestern and eastern states have weird cartridge restrictions on what you can shoot deer with. In many of these states your options are shotgun slugs, pistol calibers, or (usually straight walled) rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards, including but not limited to .300 blackout, .350 legend, 7.62x39, 30-30, 45-70, .450 bushmaster, .458 socom. Why would you go for 30-30 over one of the others? Because your dad or grandpa gave you a marlin or henry or left you one in a will. Or because you like leverguns and don't want an unnecessary amount of recoil for an easy to kill animal.
30-30 is actually illegal for deer in my state. so is 7.62x39. 300 blackout is legal, so is .350 legend. all of them perform extremely similarly. I used .300 blackout last year but I'll probably switch to .350 legend this year. picrel. 308 is illegal, .357 sig is legal. hunting laws are not written by hunters, they're written by people like you. no offense
Only three of your listed cartridges are straight wall dawg. 300aac, 458socom, x39, and 30-30 are not straight wall. You’re well intentioned but you might be a tad moronic
.30-30 has been used to kill pretty much every animal on the North American continent, possessing about the same energy as the og black powder .45-70 load (that, coincidentally, also has 7.62x39 esque energy). yes, it'll kill black bear.
[...]
Anon... .458 isn't straight wall. Neither is ak food or .300. The big straightwall cartridges in states like Ohio or Indy are >.450 >.350 is the new hotness and is genuinely a banger round at short range, accidentally becoming a great AR pdw round if you're into that. If not, it's still great as a pseudo .30-30 >.44 and .357 magnum, for the people who want to pistol hunt AND rifle hunt with 1 common ammo (ie., levers) >.45-70 if you want deer to be dead like it got hit by a slug, but actually want to pay more per round than just a 20/12g slug in exchange for more range.
Then you of course have shotgun slugs
>or (usually straight walled) rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards
So in this context I'm actually talking about rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards. (usually straight walled) is in parentheses because it's not essential to the main idea. The main idea being a list of cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards. The reading comprehension on this board seems to get worse as the years go by.
Assuming you don't already have the gun, not really. you could get better performance and range out of a .223 due to its velocity and better bullets available for it.
>this game
Why bother with 6mm ARC when 240 Weatherby magnum seems like it outperforms it?
I don't understand your point when 6mm arc also mogs 30-30 while having less recoil and greater range.
I use it because I inherited grandpa's old marlin. It's what I learned to hunt with, and I still enjoy using it. "Outperform" is a gay term. It kills deer and does it well. >yfw the fudds were right for once
>Isn't it basically outperformed by literally every modern cartridge?
No you're right anon, with the 9/11 balance patch all rimmed calibers received a 25% damage debuff, and to make encounters in the woods more balanced deer got a +20 HP boost. For what it's worth Squirrels got a venom buff too, but no one ever gets bit by them so nobody noticed.
30-30 in a lever action like a Win94 or Marlin 336 is just about the perfect deer rifle. In fudd states like Pennsylvania you cannot use autoloading rifles on big game, so lever action is the next best thing. A lot of deer hunting is done in thick, brushy mountains where the light weight of a lever action carbine is very handy. The short range of the 30-30 isn't a limitation when most deer are taken within 30-40yards.
Then why go with an absolute minimum cartridge? A .308 is arguably more common and outshoots, outperforms and straight up rapes the 30-30 fuddchester in every conceivable way.
Probably because I have an old Glenfield chambered in it and I live in the south? Why buy the new hotness when I have something that's more than capable of killing anything down here? Even with lasik I can't see 200yds through dense foliage.
2 years ago
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I'm just saying there is exactly 0 reason to buy a .30-30 today when it gets absolutely and utterly mogged by a .308. Platform is also an issue. Lever guns are comfy but they're just a pain in the ass to hunt with when you're shooting past 100-150 yards.
30-30 isn’t even close to the absolute minimum and people like Winchester 94s and Marlin 336s. >308 is arguably more common
For plinking ammo sure, for hunting ammo it’s about the same.
Why bother arguing that people shouldn’t use extremely common ammo that’s perfectly suited for whitetail deer? That seems like a stupid game to play. Why use 308 when 300 win mag is extremely common and outperforms it in every way?
>For plinking ammo sure, for hunting ammo it’s about the same.
I'd argue .308 has the most factory hunting ammo options out of any cartridge. >Why bother arguing that people shouldn’t use extremely common ammo that’s perfectly suited for whitetail deer?
Because it's obsolete. >Why use 308 when 300 win mag is extremely common and outperforms it in every way?
The difference between .30-30 and .308 is not the same as the difference between .308 and .300 WM. Besides, there's many reasons why someone would choose .308 over the .300 WM. Recoil, rifle weight, necessity etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cool thing most game is taken under 100yds in the US.
Gatekeeping shit because you don't like it, goddamn.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person, if you're shooting white tail at 100 yards, why are you even having this argument? Might as well whack them with a .223 out of an AR-15.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is 30-30 not enough or is 223 fine? Make up your mind. Can’t wait to see what kind of goal post moving scenario you come up with where 30-30 isn’t adequate. >what kind of dumbass would use 30-30, you can’t even hunt goats in the rocky mount with that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ruining peefextly good meat to own the fudds
velocitygays, everyone
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Lever guns are comfy but they're just a pain in the ass to hunt with when you're shooting past 100-150 yards.
I don’t know what region you’re in but for much of the US deer hunting occurs well within 100 yards. >Besides, there's many reasons why someone would choose .308 over the .300 WM. Recoil, rifle weight, necessity etc.
Do you have some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? The same applies to 30-30 compared to 308.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The same applies to 30-30 compared to 308.
Not really, both have negligible recoil. Rifle weight also isn't an issue as a 20" bolt gun in .308 with a 3-9x40 scope or something is hardly heavier than a lever gun while being a vastly more capable rifle.
Is 30-30 not enough or is 223 fine? Make up your mind. Can’t wait to see what kind of goal post moving scenario you come up with where 30-30 isn’t adequate. >what kind of dumbass would use 30-30, you can’t even hunt goats in the rocky mount with that
The gripe I have with .30-30 is not the lack of power. It's the lack of maintaining that power over a distance because the ballistics coefficient of the projectiles it shoots simply can't compete with .308 pills. Trajectory's also garbage.
>ruining peefextly good meat to own the fudds
velocitygays, everyone
Cringe fudd-think
2 years ago
Anonymous
>30-30 hater has to use a magnified optic
It’s all coming together now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The gripe I have with .308 is not the lack of power. It's the lack of maintaining that power over a distance because the ballistics coefficient of the projectiles it shoots simply can't compete with .30-06 pills. Trajectory's also garbage.
Boomers win again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You've taken a perfectly correct statement and made it entirely untrue. Very boomeresque.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s crazy that the ideal cartridge for short range hunting isn’t good for long range hunting. Can I borrow that 3-9 optic? The goal posts are moved so far I can’t see them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You do realize that a lot of people are hunting like 50 or 70 yds and under due to topography and flora, right? If youre hunting a specific property with 55yd sight lines then you really dont need a .308 with glass on top, its either going to be heavier or lighter and heavier recoiling than a 30-30. A decently loaded 30-30 will provide as much wound cavity as you want(assuming youre concerned with meat waste) inside 150yds while being lighter, lower recoiling, and aesthetic. I get not personally liking 30-30 but i really dont get people who hate the thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I get not personally liking 30-30 but i really dont get people who hate the thing. >older than the fudds who shoot it >obsolete >rimmed >stupidly long moron neck while only ever seating 150gr bullets
2 years ago
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>kills shit fine, particularly within 150yds >more energetic than 7.62x35, 7.62x39, way heavier than 5.56x45 and moderately heavier than 6.5 grendel or 6.8 SPC, providing it with a terminal ballistics niche for broad use against medium and largish game at close ranges >muh lever gun >muh KISS >muh light weight
I get youre autistic and all but nobody cares about the rim or neck/oal since they arent trying to shoehorn the cartridge into an autoloader. They care that it works really good on a lot of medium/largish game in typical densely forested/hilly areas while keeping shit very simple and allowing for a bit of cowboy larp on the side. Stop min-maxing, try enjoying life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Much heavier
You do know that a naked 336 or win94 is like, 5 lbs even right? They are absurdly light. If they discover poly furniture I bet you could get them down to 4.5
The depression was a bad time. It gave us hunting regs and gun control for a reason.
*Dust Bowl + Great Depression
People forget that time America had a famine and it led to us eating literally everything
2 years ago
Anonymous
>People forget that time America had a famine and it led to us eating literally everything
Except the ~~*rich*~~, unfortunately.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>yuros and chinks have famine >resort to cannibalism
>Americans have famine >poach every animal in sight
Based
30-30 isn’t even close to the absolute minimum and people like Winchester 94s and Marlin 336s. >308 is arguably more common
For plinking ammo sure, for hunting ammo it’s about the same.
Why bother arguing that people shouldn’t use extremely common ammo that’s perfectly suited for whitetail deer? That seems like a stupid game to play. Why use 308 when 300 win mag is extremely common and outperforms it in every way?
2 years ago
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>300 win mag outperforms it in every way
only if you enjoy eating bloodshot meat.
Eh lots of waiting depending on where you hunt and takes commitment but not your wallet like others would lead you to believe. 90% of the fun comes from figuring out how you want to cook it afterwards.
based, more deer have been taken with 30-30 in my area than any other round. I like 35 rem personally but its a bit harder to find nowadays.
not really, deer are like rats where i live. I counted 90 the other day on my way home from work. I treat it more like an extermination when i go hunting. I dont even eat the meat, I just use it to feed my dogs or bait coyotes.
I'm just saying there is exactly 0 reason to buy a .30-30 today when it gets absolutely and utterly mogged by a .308. Platform is also an issue. Lever guns are comfy but they're just a pain in the ass to hunt with when you're shooting past 100-150 yards.
[...] >For plinking ammo sure, for hunting ammo it’s about the same.
I'd argue .308 has the most factory hunting ammo options out of any cartridge. >Why bother arguing that people shouldn’t use extremely common ammo that’s perfectly suited for whitetail deer?
Because it's obsolete. >Why use 308 when 300 win mag is extremely common and outperforms it in every way?
The difference between .30-30 and .308 is not the same as the difference between .308 and .300 WM. Besides, there's many reasons why someone would choose .308 over the .300 WM. Recoil, rifle weight, necessity etc.
Have you ever gone hunting? Most all animals I take within 200 yards, if they are further i close the distance. This is common practice to ethically take game and to track your animal easier. I know some homosexuals like to take elk at extreme ranges but they are the minority.
>I know some homosexuals like to take elk at extreme ranges but they are the minority.
I don't consider 400 yards "extreme range", fudd. Also nobody goes elk hunting with a fricking .30-30.
>I don't consider 400 yards "extreme range", fudd
calm down there kiddo, you might lose sight of the blood spoor. oh you couldnt find it, thats a shame. >Also nobody goes elk hunting with a fricking .30-30.
Didnt say they did, the dudes i know use 300 win mag or 308 for elk. One madman i know uses 300 sav but he is the minority.
It depends.
Seems like some places where they sit over feeders and crop plots. Killing 3 deer a year seems boring.
Where I live the success rate is around 1 deer in 10 years, I'm slightly above that average.
The short of it is, I wouldn't purchase a new .30-30 unless I was already invested in an old one. There's not a whole lot that .30-30 can do that .243, 6.5 Creedmore, or even .350 Legend cannot. At some point, I'm sure I'll want a lever action, but .44 Mag does most of what .30-30 does inside 125y, plus it's straight walled, and I hate full neck resizing.
But I got no hate for .30-30, even if .35 Remington has always been it's superior.
I only hunt deer with my triple barrel 45-70. I fire the first barrel at 45 degrees, wait a few seconds, fire the next at 20 degrees, wait a few more seconds, and then fire the third at 10 degrees. I’ve killed deer up to 2 miles away before.
Yes.
I do prefer something that is more likely to exit the other side, not because it's needed to kill a bear, but it helps with blood trailing a shot bear.
.30-30 has been used to kill pretty much every animal on the North American continent, possessing about the same energy as the og black powder .45-70 load (that, coincidentally, also has 7.62x39 esque energy). yes, it'll kill black bear.
https://i.imgur.com/1UzTrqx.jpg
I'll actually answer the question because no one else is. Lots of midwestern and eastern states have weird cartridge restrictions on what you can shoot deer with. In many of these states your options are shotgun slugs, pistol calibers, or (usually straight walled) rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards, including but not limited to .300 blackout, .350 legend, 7.62x39, 30-30, 45-70, .450 bushmaster, .458 socom. Why would you go for 30-30 over one of the others? Because your dad or grandpa gave you a marlin or henry or left you one in a will. Or because you like leverguns and don't want an unnecessary amount of recoil for an easy to kill animal.
30-30 is actually illegal for deer in my state. so is 7.62x39. 300 blackout is legal, so is .350 legend. all of them perform extremely similarly. I used .300 blackout last year but I'll probably switch to .350 legend this year. picrel. 308 is illegal, .357 sig is legal. hunting laws are not written by hunters, they're written by people like you. no offense
Anon... .458 isn't straight wall. Neither is ak food or .300. The big straightwall cartridges in states like Ohio or Indy are >.450 >.350 is the new hotness and is genuinely a banger round at short range, accidentally becoming a great AR pdw round if you're into that. If not, it's still great as a pseudo .30-30 >.44 and .357 magnum, for the people who want to pistol hunt AND rifle hunt with 1 common ammo (ie., levers) >.45-70 if you want deer to be dead like it got hit by a slug, but actually want to pay more per round than just a 20/12g slug in exchange for more range.
The only commercially available 150gr spire point I've seen is fricking Tula 154gr, and it's going 2-300fps slower than matching loads of .30-30, depending on the barrel length of your AK, because the powder capacity isn't there. Now contrast that with the varieties of 150-170 projos available for .30-30, from boring old lead round nose to polymer tipped monolithic and bonded projectiles.
If you put one hand out with a stock Win 94 shorty and the other with a stock AK, explicitly for hunting whitetail or mule deer, I'm going to take the .30-30, just for a heavier, stouter bullet. Yeah it's fudd shit, but turns out fudds are good at killing deer.
I wish I could shoot my 30-30 lever gun but at $1.50 per round it just doesn't make sense anymore.
Reload your own. I’m at 55 cents per round and could do even cheaper if I would cast my own. Check out castbullet.com The author unfortunately passed away but he did good loads in 30-30.
I'll give you my load in your 20-20
just reload ur own. if u do 100 bullets an hour thats like saving $100 an hour or something
If the loss of hour of your freetime is worth it, sure.
i make less than $100 an hour so it certainly is. I prime or reload a hundred or two hundred rounds every night while im sitting by my desk shitposting or watching tv before bed and it adds up fast
I can't imagine what it's like to be a money grubbing israelite who can view time in nothing other than shekels. A being so hell bent on increasing their portfolio that they have no life. Some of us find value in entertainment and hobbies. If we save a few pennies doing it, that's only a plus. Be it autobody work, gardening, or reloading. I would feel pity for your kind, but it's not worth my time. I'm too busy having fun.
Fudd shit
underpowered, deer are being killed exclusively by
>8 x 57 IRS, KÖNIGIN DES WALDES
Most game is taken under 80yds so it's really a non issue.
Uh. Traditional pressure 8x57 would be weaker than .30-30.
Modern pressure 8x57 still fails bad to even .308
This post reeks of inexperience, foolishness and waste.
Utah uses 30-30 for their firing squads during executions.
Based
Yah, the Mormons can be weird as frick sometimes but they are pretty based when it comes to anything firearms related. Lived in Utah for 3 years, its a good state as long as you can put up with the stupid as frick alcohol laws.
That’s based. Do they use lever guns? Or is it some oddball rifle?
Serious question. Is there any reason besides aesthetics to run a 30-30? Isn't it basically outperformed by literally every modern cartridge? Even intermediate cartridges like 6mm arc, 6.8 spc or 300blk (Supersonic) seem like they'd outperform it. Then again I'm a non hunter citygay
Nah, rimmed cartridges are obsolete by modern standards
>this entire post
This is why people make fun of you.
no one is except you, and you just got triggered by 'run'
If you have it use it, if not pick whatever one you like. 99% of gun use comes down to personal preference.
It's an old cartridge with a rim, so that alone means lever action, which is going to be a deal breaker. However...
> Outperform it
That's a topic that's a mile wide. If you mean external ballistics, lots of rounds surpass it. But .30-30 is all about chunking 150-170gr .30 bullets over 2000fps, with recoil lower than a lot of other full power cartridges. If you wanted a slightly upjumped 7.62x39 that shot heavier bullets, .30-30 is pretty much the ticket. Older shooters who cannot shoot .308 comfortably due to arthritis can switch to a lever gun for easy shots inside 150-200y.
Lever guns are also lightweight compared to bolt guns in the same price range.
This. They are also handier.
That said, I am picking up a Ruger 77/44 because it is even lighter than a Win 94 or a 336. I have a bunch of 30-30s and love them tough. Not bad on most things here in PA that benifit from a center fire rifle.
>who cannot shoot .308 comfortably
I'm going to guess you've never watched a man who did manually labor everyday of his life get worn down by age, but it fricking sucks man. And eventually, it will happen to us too, if we're lucky.
Hate to break it to you, fuddster, but manual labor is for hispanics and Black folk
Maybe so, but my old man used it to put his kids through engineering and tech schools, so it's good for that. Shade of trees they will never sit under, etc.
>Serious question. Is there any reason besides aesthetics to run a 30-30? Isn't it basically outperformed by literally every modern cartridge? Even intermediate cartridges like 6mm arc, 6.8 spc or 300blk (Supersonic) seem like they'd outperform it. Then again I'm a non hunter citygay
>this game
Why bother with 6mm ARC when 240 Weatherby magnum seems like it outperforms it?
I used to carry a 30-30 when in thick brush.
I switched to a 16" 300blk, ballistics are pretty identical, OAL is shorter than the 336, it's lighter, better sling set up, etc.
I'll actually answer the question because no one else is. Lots of midwestern and eastern states have weird cartridge restrictions on what you can shoot deer with. In many of these states your options are shotgun slugs, pistol calibers, or (usually straight walled) rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards, including but not limited to .300 blackout, .350 legend, 7.62x39, 30-30, 45-70, .450 bushmaster, .458 socom. Why would you go for 30-30 over one of the others? Because your dad or grandpa gave you a marlin or henry or left you one in a will. Or because you like leverguns and don't want an unnecessary amount of recoil for an easy to kill animal.
30-30 is actually illegal for deer in my state. so is 7.62x39. 300 blackout is legal, so is .350 legend. all of them perform extremely similarly. I used .300 blackout last year but I'll probably switch to .350 legend this year. picrel. 308 is illegal, .357 sig is legal. hunting laws are not written by hunters, they're written by people like you. no offense
Only three of your listed cartridges are straight wall dawg. 300aac, 458socom, x39, and 30-30 are not straight wall. You’re well intentioned but you might be a tad moronic
>or (usually straight walled) rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards
So in this context I'm actually talking about rifle cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards. (usually straight walled) is in parentheses because it's not essential to the main idea. The main idea being a list of cartridges that are mediocre past 200 yards. The reading comprehension on this board seems to get worse as the years go by.
Assuming you don't already have the gun, not really. you could get better performance and range out of a .223 due to its velocity and better bullets available for it.
I don't understand your point when 6mm arc also mogs 30-30 while having less recoil and greater range.
I use it because I inherited grandpa's old marlin. It's what I learned to hunt with, and I still enjoy using it. "Outperform" is a gay term. It kills deer and does it well.
>yfw the fudds were right for once
>Isn't it basically outperformed by literally every modern cartridge?
No you're right anon, with the 9/11 balance patch all rimmed calibers received a 25% damage debuff, and to make encounters in the woods more balanced deer got a +20 HP boost. For what it's worth Squirrels got a venom buff too, but no one ever gets bit by them so nobody noticed.
30-30 in a lever action like a Win94 or Marlin 336 is just about the perfect deer rifle. In fudd states like Pennsylvania you cannot use autoloading rifles on big game, so lever action is the next best thing. A lot of deer hunting is done in thick, brushy mountains where the light weight of a lever action carbine is very handy. The short range of the 30-30 isn't a limitation when most deer are taken within 30-40yards.
this kills more deer
Kek, no
yes, and it's not even close. by the time the 30-30 hit the market the 32-20 had nearly wiped out north american deer populations.
The depression was a bad time. It gave us hunting regs and gun control for a reason.
>Not using rope and lube
>uses a .30 cal to get worse than .243 performance
Absolute garbage round shot only the most moronic of fudds.
There were a lot of rifles made before 1955.
Great point; all 30-30 fuddchester boomers are indeed stuck in 1955.
Or they've figured out min-maxing isn't all that impressive?
Then why go with an absolute minimum cartridge? A .308 is arguably more common and outshoots, outperforms and straight up rapes the 30-30 fuddchester in every conceivable way.
Probably because I have an old Glenfield chambered in it and I live in the south? Why buy the new hotness when I have something that's more than capable of killing anything down here? Even with lasik I can't see 200yds through dense foliage.
I'm just saying there is exactly 0 reason to buy a .30-30 today when it gets absolutely and utterly mogged by a .308. Platform is also an issue. Lever guns are comfy but they're just a pain in the ass to hunt with when you're shooting past 100-150 yards.
>For plinking ammo sure, for hunting ammo it’s about the same.
I'd argue .308 has the most factory hunting ammo options out of any cartridge.
>Why bother arguing that people shouldn’t use extremely common ammo that’s perfectly suited for whitetail deer?
Because it's obsolete.
>Why use 308 when 300 win mag is extremely common and outperforms it in every way?
The difference between .30-30 and .308 is not the same as the difference between .308 and .300 WM. Besides, there's many reasons why someone would choose .308 over the .300 WM. Recoil, rifle weight, necessity etc.
Cool thing most game is taken under 100yds in the US.
Gatekeeping shit because you don't like it, goddamn.
Black person, if you're shooting white tail at 100 yards, why are you even having this argument? Might as well whack them with a .223 out of an AR-15.
Is 30-30 not enough or is 223 fine? Make up your mind. Can’t wait to see what kind of goal post moving scenario you come up with where 30-30 isn’t adequate.
>what kind of dumbass would use 30-30, you can’t even hunt goats in the rocky mount with that
>ruining peefextly good meat to own the fudds
velocitygays, everyone
>Lever guns are comfy but they're just a pain in the ass to hunt with when you're shooting past 100-150 yards.
I don’t know what region you’re in but for much of the US deer hunting occurs well within 100 yards.
>Besides, there's many reasons why someone would choose .308 over the .300 WM. Recoil, rifle weight, necessity etc.
Do you have some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? The same applies to 30-30 compared to 308.
>The same applies to 30-30 compared to 308.
Not really, both have negligible recoil. Rifle weight also isn't an issue as a 20" bolt gun in .308 with a 3-9x40 scope or something is hardly heavier than a lever gun while being a vastly more capable rifle.
The gripe I have with .30-30 is not the lack of power. It's the lack of maintaining that power over a distance because the ballistics coefficient of the projectiles it shoots simply can't compete with .308 pills. Trajectory's also garbage.
Cringe fudd-think
>30-30 hater has to use a magnified optic
It’s all coming together now.
>The gripe I have with .308 is not the lack of power. It's the lack of maintaining that power over a distance because the ballistics coefficient of the projectiles it shoots simply can't compete with .30-06 pills. Trajectory's also garbage.
Boomers win again.
You've taken a perfectly correct statement and made it entirely untrue. Very boomeresque.
It’s crazy that the ideal cartridge for short range hunting isn’t good for long range hunting. Can I borrow that 3-9 optic? The goal posts are moved so far I can’t see them.
You do realize that a lot of people are hunting like 50 or 70 yds and under due to topography and flora, right? If youre hunting a specific property with 55yd sight lines then you really dont need a .308 with glass on top, its either going to be heavier or lighter and heavier recoiling than a 30-30. A decently loaded 30-30 will provide as much wound cavity as you want(assuming youre concerned with meat waste) inside 150yds while being lighter, lower recoiling, and aesthetic. I get not personally liking 30-30 but i really dont get people who hate the thing.
>I get not personally liking 30-30 but i really dont get people who hate the thing.
>older than the fudds who shoot it
>obsolete
>rimmed
>stupidly long moron neck while only ever seating 150gr bullets
>kills shit fine, particularly within 150yds
>more energetic than 7.62x35, 7.62x39, way heavier than 5.56x45 and moderately heavier than 6.5 grendel or 6.8 SPC, providing it with a terminal ballistics niche for broad use against medium and largish game at close ranges
>muh lever gun
>muh KISS
>muh light weight
I get youre autistic and all but nobody cares about the rim or neck/oal since they arent trying to shoehorn the cartridge into an autoloader. They care that it works really good on a lot of medium/largish game in typical densely forested/hilly areas while keeping shit very simple and allowing for a bit of cowboy larp on the side. Stop min-maxing, try enjoying life.
>Much heavier
You do know that a naked 336 or win94 is like, 5 lbs even right? They are absurdly light. If they discover poly furniture I bet you could get them down to 4.5
*Dust Bowl + Great Depression
People forget that time America had a famine and it led to us eating literally everything
>People forget that time America had a famine and it led to us eating literally everything
Except the ~~*rich*~~, unfortunately.
>yuros and chinks have famine
>resort to cannibalism
>Americans have famine
>poach every animal in sight
Based
30-30 isn’t even close to the absolute minimum and people like Winchester 94s and Marlin 336s.
>308 is arguably more common
For plinking ammo sure, for hunting ammo it’s about the same.
Why bother arguing that people shouldn’t use extremely common ammo that’s perfectly suited for whitetail deer? That seems like a stupid game to play. Why use 308 when 300 win mag is extremely common and outperforms it in every way?
>300 win mag outperforms it in every way
only if you enjoy eating bloodshot meat.
I've killed deer with 5.56 green til from a 16 inch ar.
ive never killed a deer. is it really as fun as people make it out to be?
Eh lots of waiting depending on where you hunt and takes commitment but not your wallet like others would lead you to believe. 90% of the fun comes from figuring out how you want to cook it afterwards.
Only if you're white. I've never seen a Black person hunt. They're genetically predisposed to be scavengers and berry pickers..
based, more deer have been taken with 30-30 in my area than any other round. I like 35 rem personally but its a bit harder to find nowadays.
not really, deer are like rats where i live. I counted 90 the other day on my way home from work. I treat it more like an extermination when i go hunting. I dont even eat the meat, I just use it to feed my dogs or bait coyotes.
Have you ever gone hunting? Most all animals I take within 200 yards, if they are further i close the distance. This is common practice to ethically take game and to track your animal easier. I know some homosexuals like to take elk at extreme ranges but they are the minority.
>I know some homosexuals like to take elk at extreme ranges but they are the minority.
I don't consider 400 yards "extreme range", fudd. Also nobody goes elk hunting with a fricking .30-30.
I don’t believe that you actually hunt.
>t. the Black person who feeds the deer he shoots to his dog
Fricking reddit cringe
>he doesnt deny it.
Stay in the city
>he doesn't deny being a redditor
Stay on reddit
It’s about time we see your guns.
>I don't consider 400 yards "extreme range", fudd
calm down there kiddo, you might lose sight of the blood spoor. oh you couldnt find it, thats a shame.
>Also nobody goes elk hunting with a fricking .30-30.
Didnt say they did, the dudes i know use 300 win mag or 308 for elk. One madman i know uses 300 sav but he is the minority.
>One madman i know uses 300 sav
Savage 99?
Remington 81, if it works it works i guess
Shit bro, I'd take a model 8 or even an 81 in .35 Remington and get my Frank Hammer LARP on.
>300 sav
>tfw .308 short and weak is still better than .30-30 fuddchester.
It depends.
Seems like some places where they sit over feeders and crop plots. Killing 3 deer a year seems boring.
Where I live the success rate is around 1 deer in 10 years, I'm slightly above that average.
>1 deer in 10 years
where the frick are you that deer are like dahl sheep
Yes. Picrel got my first one last year, it's fricking awesome. The feeling when you get one is wild.
The short of it is, I wouldn't purchase a new .30-30 unless I was already invested in an old one. There's not a whole lot that .30-30 can do that .243, 6.5 Creedmore, or even .350 Legend cannot. At some point, I'm sure I'll want a lever action, but .44 Mag does most of what .30-30 does inside 125y, plus it's straight walled, and I hate full neck resizing.
But I got no hate for .30-30, even if .35 Remington has always been it's superior.
>But I got no hate for .30-30, even if .35 Remington has always been it's superior.
based
you do realize people were taking bison with black powder ball and cartridges. read some of teddy's hunting stories if you want to learn something.
You a Ukraine tourist or something? Post your guns
I only hunt deer with my triple barrel 45-70. I fire the first barrel at 45 degrees, wait a few seconds, fire the next at 20 degrees, wait a few more seconds, and then fire the third at 10 degrees. I’ve killed deer up to 2 miles away before.
I am you, but with better ballistic coefficient.
yeah
>took the pistolpill 8 years ago
>tried to go back to rifle last year
>was fricking terrible
If your state allows it try a pistol out you wont go back to rifle after.
I sometimes carry a pistol for when I in the brush, but you can also see deer at 400 yards through canyons here, so pistol only is a bit meh.
>bear on the box
can a 30-30 reliably kill a black bear in one shot?
Why is this even a question? If you whack that thing under 150 yards with one, it‘s of course going down.
Yes.
I do prefer something that is more likely to exit the other side, not because it's needed to kill a bear, but it helps with blood trailing a shot bear.
.30-30 has been used to kill pretty much every animal on the North American continent, possessing about the same energy as the og black powder .45-70 load (that, coincidentally, also has 7.62x39 esque energy). yes, it'll kill black bear.
Anon... .458 isn't straight wall. Neither is ak food or .300. The big straightwall cartridges in states like Ohio or Indy are
>.450
>.350 is the new hotness and is genuinely a banger round at short range, accidentally becoming a great AR pdw round if you're into that. If not, it's still great as a pseudo .30-30
>.44 and .357 magnum, for the people who want to pistol hunt AND rifle hunt with 1 common ammo (ie., levers)
>.45-70 if you want deer to be dead like it got hit by a slug, but actually want to pay more per round than just a 20/12g slug in exchange for more range.
Then you of course have shotgun slugs
>350 pdw
Suggest me a suppressor
Dead Air Wolfman
I white tail hunt with a 45-70, I'm lazy and don't like to track
Literally inferior to plain jane 7.62x39 in every way.
The only commercially available 150gr spire point I've seen is fricking Tula 154gr, and it's going 2-300fps slower than matching loads of .30-30, depending on the barrel length of your AK, because the powder capacity isn't there. Now contrast that with the varieties of 150-170 projos available for .30-30, from boring old lead round nose to polymer tipped monolithic and bonded projectiles.
If you put one hand out with a stock Win 94 shorty and the other with a stock AK, explicitly for hunting whitetail or mule deer, I'm going to take the .30-30, just for a heavier, stouter bullet. Yeah it's fudd shit, but turns out fudds are good at killing deer.
Go away, fudd.
Tru
Ok grandpa.