because super soldier dj shipley said the fraction of a second it takes to tilt your eye line down to the sight means you will die in a firefight. now buy my $1000 riser mount
No, it has to do with keeping armor perpendicular to your target. The argument is that if you’re more upright, you have a higher percentage change of bullseye hitting your armor compared to having your torso angles. Also, ricochets off armor when you’re upright will be more favorable. A third component is that an upright stance makes you smaller in CQB scenarios.
Being effective at killing isn’t about looking cool. These risers look silly but the arguments make sense.
They make sense for a really niche corner of combat operations. They don't make sense for 98% of people with firearms. Even in a "collapse" the last thing you should be preparing for is CQB high speed room clearing with low drag
>ricochets >on plate
this is the absolute proof that people that buy steel plates are fricking morons.
for the rest i doubt on it, normally on house clearing you always look down your sight and only leave them when you have a friendly passing in front of you, and standing more uptight doesn't make you smaller. my guess is this is once again something that was marketed at a big scale and used the exposure effect to make sure it sells, and i'm sure that those that kept saying "it make shooting with NVG easier" are the same kind of people that tried to aim with their super low aimpoint Micro mount while using their PVS15.
I used night vision with a regular ass M68 CCO just fine. I used night vision with every single Eotech I've ever touched, just fine. This is just past full moron at this point, why the frick would you sacrifice cheek weld 100% of the time for 0.1 picosecond faster aiming down NODs?
because super soldier dj shipley said the fraction of a second it takes to tilt your eye line down to the sight means you will die in a firefight. now buy my $1000 riser mount
I am beginning to genuinely hate the gun community
>I used night vision with a regular ass M68 CCO just fine
nah bro, the nod collides with the gun hardcore if you don't have a riser, I have nods and it makes it really difficult to shoot without a riser
it's possible but it's fricking ass
>I am beginning to genuinely hate the gun community
it was always shit.
its just a constantly evolving form of shit.
you got everything from FUDDs to WOT 12 year olds to larperators and and everything in between.
>why the frick would you sacrifice cheek weld 100% of the time f
cheek weld was unironically a stupid boomer meme. like you seriously have trouble controlling an intermediate cartridge with a parallax free optic without smushing your face on the stock?? boomer moron
>I am beginning to genuinely hate the gun community
it was always shit.
its just a constantly evolving form of shit.
you got everything from FUDDs to WOT 12 year olds to larperators and and everything in between.
and yes. US marines are larperators.
"community" in this case is just some moronic excuse to sell derivative products to whichever moron buy them
Just buy guns and shoot them with friends, but never associate yourself with a distant and generalized community (as opposed to city/regional group to find such friends who are interested in it) because most are morons who will cast a shadow on you by association. Imagine if there was a BBQ community instead; just grill with your friends and family no need to buy some trendy shit and be some consumer cuck because your grill isn't fancy enough for social media upboats.
Try walking around over uneven terrain and trying to aim. You'll quickly realize even if you CAN aim using normal riser height, it's not ergonomic or fun to constantly be bumping your NODs into the gun.
When people say it doesn't matter and they can aim just fine, it usually is because they weren't doing any movement, or if you were it's on a flat surface.
I just used my PEQ like every other swinging dick and had no issues. I am unironically the most experienced dick ITT, there is almost nobody else in here who's even deployed, much less seen combat. I would bet money I'm the only one here who has seen combat with more than one army, and in more than one war. Rough terrain isn't nearly as insane as everyone ITT is making it out to be, trust your feet and your body will work with it.
You don't need a fricking 2.26" HOB for NODs, even a lower 1/3 will work with NODs, that's just pure bullshit. I prefer a 1.93 with NODs but you don't need anything over that it's just hype hypebeast homosexual shit that DJ Shipley sells because his disability payments suck dick.
I have nothing against modern shit, but too many people equate the absolute latest gear with skill. LMK when you have real world experience that’s not playing video games.
>Manlet thinks anything he says is of value
Lmao
See above.
Are you 5'1
No, I do actually get laid.
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Based and markpilled
Based Mk18 user.
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>YOU are defined as militia in the 2A
Incorrect, but good try. : ) One of first amendments in the document specifically created to outline the fundamental rights of common citizens was actually intended to be about the government giving itself the right to create a standing army. The military is the militia, so you don't actually have a right to a gun unless you're in the military. That's just history in proper context.
Imagine getting your talking points from Everytown or moron Moms when pic rel is current federal law.
I'm pretty sure the main "selling point" now is that it puts your body in a more upright position so when you're clearing rooms and CQBing you present your plates to the guy shooting at you point blank. You know, stuff every gun owner deals with on a day to day basis. Not to mention it'll be the main pastime after the collapse.
I cant wait to oper8 during the collapse. I am just as skilled as seal team 6. I watched all the GBRS group videos and took out a loan for pvs15s. My body is ready
And then when you think about it for a while and actually go navigate a couple times you realize that a suppressed, 8 inch 300blk SBR and a modular, minimalist, and stowable LBE approach along with copious outdoor skills and an emphasis on PT with the goal of never ever once in your life putting yourself in a position in which you fight someone else with a rifle is how you should be training on the farmable land that you own. The Art of the Rat.
I am convinced that the purpose of "totally retired I swear" CIA contractors in the gun training community is well poisoning. If they actually cared they would be teaching social dynamics in warfare, intelligence gathering, and Scout/Sniper skills.
And even before that, you should be focused on just being a regular, socially adjusted person who gets along with his community. And even before THAT, you should be focused on being somewhat active in your local community so even if the world went to shit, your community probably wouldn't.
This was the blackpill for me, being a gear queer doesn't fricking matter if everyone for 50 miles is a stranger and you have zero contingency to continue a normal life.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Turns out normies were the ultimate preppers all along bros....
I actually believe this to some extent. Although I think a lot are just grifting. I think at some level they put this stuff out there to make the mad max style apocalypse somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy. >verification VPSHOT
Improves situational awareness, works very well with helmet mounted NODs and moves the LLM to a place that actually makes sense because it's better for rifle ballance while not putting your hand in the way of beams.
It makes sense in military context. If you are a civillian that's not a full time metro area SWAT team member, you have zero use for the thing other than larping.
as long as you practice your holdovers theres really nothing wrong with these mounts. obviously if you're putting lasers and shit on your gun for no reason its a waste but its definitely not 37mm flare gun tier
The Army could do their job, but the Navy will never let them take the glory, especially now that boats don’t fight each other, so we just have to put up with them. At least feeding them is cheap, they’ll take crayons.
Yeah but we don't pretend we wear a promask 24/7 anon. If your justification for gear is "Okay well it's slightly less shit in these very specific uncommon circumstances", you're a credit card prostitute more than anything.
This thread is about the military having such a setup, do they not use gas masks? do they not have NODs? Do they not have criteria that may necessitate such a setup that will alleviate some complications shooting their firearms?
>This thread is about the military having such a setup, do they not use gas masks?
Anon you have literally zero clue how rare it is to wear a promask, let alone shoot with one. There are probably less than a dozen people killed by active duty who were wearing promasks in the last 20 years. >do they not have NODs
whatisaPEQ >Do they not have criteria that may necessitate such a setup that will alleviate some complications shooting their firearms
We don't have criteria that outweigh fundamental things like silhouette and height over bore or cheek weld, no. SOF could maybe, MAYBE make the argument that since they're spending all their time kicking doors and writing books that they don't have real downsides, but even they have to fight outdoors here and there. For grunts expected to fight in complex and varying terrain it's pointless.
>how rare it is to wear a promask
And they do have to wear one when it necessitate one, so whats the issue that they want to accommodate for this however rare it is? >whatisaPEQ
They still have it on there. Their shorter barrel and hand guard setup makes it difficult to have everything they need on the hand guard while still have good placement of their off hand. >We don't have criteria that outweigh fundamental things like silhouette and height over bore or cheek weld, no.
Then you don't have to, others will want to. What is the problem?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you being intentionally obtuse or something anon? >And they do have to wear one when it necessitate one, so whats the issue that they want to accommodate for this however rare it is?
U s e y o u r P E Q i t i s t h e r e f o r a r e a s o n >shorter barrel and hand guard setup makes it difficult to have everything >tfw greatest minds in SOCOM have forgotten how to run a switch on the same rail as a PEQ, or mount a light/laser on different sides of a rail (deep level technology DO NOT RESEARCH) >What is the problem?
You are mistaking basic criticisms for something else, I think.
>height over bore or cheek weld,
these are fuddlore and only relevant when shooting at deers from a deer stand sorry
Thisisbait
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Thisisbait
explain to me why a cheek weld is appropriate when shooting an intermediate cartridge with a modern shooting posture
are you too much of a pussy to control 5.56?? for real?? you need to smush your face into the gun?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This thread is about the military having such a setup, do they not use gas masks?
Anon you have literally zero clue how rare it is to wear a promask, let alone shoot with one. There are probably less than a dozen people killed by active duty who were wearing promasks in the last 20 years. >do they not have NODs
whatisaPEQ >Do they not have criteria that may necessitate such a setup that will alleviate some complications shooting their firearms
We don't have criteria that outweigh fundamental things like silhouette and height over bore or cheek weld, no. SOF could maybe, MAYBE make the argument that since they're spending all their time kicking doors and writing books that they don't have real downsides, but even they have to fight outdoors here and there. For grunts expected to fight in complex and varying terrain it's pointless.
>just use your peq bro
IR lasers are inherently less accurate and less effective than using your optic. Doctrinally, the IR laser is used for close-in and for designating targets. IR lasers give off an infrared signature which opposing forces can spot you with. We don't own the night anymore and it's a fair assumption to make that you may face combat threats with night vision these days. The Taliban has night vision, even before we left all of our shit in Afghanistan
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw shooting at people at night but can't give my position away so I don't use my PEQ
11 months ago
Anonymous
why do you think we have flash hiders
11 months ago
Anonymous
duh how could I forget, flash hiders completely hide the flash and make it completely invisible!
11 months ago
Anonymous
if you've ever taken a camoflage class you would know that you try and reduce your signature in every aspect possible, including glint from shiny metal objects or a watch face or worn parts on your weapon
so why the frick would you willy nilly shine a laser that leads directly back to your position and just say 'FRICK IT LOL' success in operations is all about attention to details. every little detail matters. just saying "WELL IT DOESNT MAKE ME INVISIBLE" "WOW THIS FIRING POSITION WONT MAKE ME INDESTRUCTABLE" "WOW SECURITY CAN BARELY SEE ANYWAY< FRICK IT" is not the right answer
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Are you being intentionally obtuse or something anon?
Are you misunderstanding something? or do you think everything is a shouting argument where there is no possible cordial discussion that can be had? >U s e y o u r P E Q i t i s t h e r e f o r a r e a s o n
Probably because constantly activating the LAM is not the preferred doctrine unless and passive aiming with the otpic is more preferred. >You are mistaking basic criticisms for something else, I think.
Sounds like that is the case, it is a (you) problem.
It's weird to see this being done on an actual MEU. It's like a YouTube LARP made into an actual deployment. What the frick, everything is just wrong. >extreme goofball riser on an already high as frick optic window >tactical handguard wrapping like some gay Costa shit >the weird larp "look both ways" shit taught in concealed carry courses
The frick is going on
You can see the handguard is short and has things on there that does not have enough rail space for the entire setup of pressure pad, LAM and WML and where the personnel likes to have their offhand on the handguard to support the rifle. The higher mount height for the optic is desired for NVD passive aiming, this has always been desired for military and was the original argument for the higher riser mount and was the butt of jokes for civilian (and to some extent LEO) because they are less likely to own or use NODs. Now there is a reversal and people like you are complaining that the military are using equipment and accessories that they actually will make use of?
There was a request for short-barreled uppers for the M27 for Recon Muhreenz last year. The two strips of velcro on his sleeve (Crye G3) and the MultiCam JPC both indicate he's part of Recon.
I used night vision with a regular ass M68 CCO just fine. I used night vision with every single Eotech I've ever touched, just fine. This is just past full moron at this point, why the frick would you sacrifice cheek weld 100% of the time for 0.1 picosecond faster aiming down NODs?
[...]
I am beginning to genuinely hate the gun community
wow, thank you for your service of being the mouthiest woman in the room.
>less than a paragraph is considered "mouthy"
You're a fricking moron kek
>why the frick would you sacrifice cheek weld 100% of the time f
cheek weld was unironically a stupid boomer meme. like you seriously have trouble controlling an intermediate cartridge with a parallax free optic without smushing your face on the stock?? boomer moron
t. has never once in his entire life, ever, had to use a rifle while maneuvering in any meaningful capacity
Ask me how I know you've never done frick all in MOUT anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ahh you don't know nothin' about shooting and moving
its funny because heads up shooting is more applicable in mout anyway please die and stop spending social security and VA money to keep your crusty ass alive
>can’t get a cheekweld with a skyscraper mount
Do you have a really short neck or something?
I'm pretty sure the main "selling point" now is that it puts your body in a more upright position so when you're clearing rooms and CQBing you present your plates to the guy shooting at you point blank. You know, stuff every gun owner deals with on a day to day basis. Not to mention it'll be the main pastime after the collapse.
The main selling point is that it’s more comfortable, especially with NODs.
>distance is from cheek to eye >tangent about neck length
Are you just pretending to be moronic
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its funny because heads up shooting is more applicable in mout anyway please die and stop spending social security and VA money to keep your crusty ass alive
Lol, what kind of moronation is this? You can shoot over your rifle in MOUT, because you are lowering your rifle to point shoot. Why the frick would you change your rifle to include an unwieldy riser that absolutely rapes your silhouette everywhere else (because you, anon, are a regular ass 11 series) for imaginary gains? Did you forget that MOUT doesn't literally mean 2 foot wide hallways 100% of the time, and you still have to aim reliably under stress, across streets, courtyards, down alley ways, etc? Or did your shit tier neverdeployed NCOs just not know how to teach that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>ll have to aim reliably under stress, across streets, courtyards, down alley ways, etc?
and i dont have to shove my face against the gun, ruining my situational awareness and peripheral vision, to do any of those things
11 months ago
Anonymous
Now I know you're gay
11 months ago
Anonymous
>can't keep both eyes open or communicate with his team
Many such cases, SAD!
>are you pretending to be moronic
Look man I can get a cheek weld just fine. Seems like you’re just asshurt that people are trying new things. SOCOM seems to like them. But keep posting: >WE DIDNT NEED NO RED DOTS IN MY DAY SONNY WE USED IRON SIGHTS!!
It’s kinda funny
>new technology can not EVER be pointless! Every criticism is the same as thinking the typewriter is newfangled garbage!
Kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
>lowers his head and eyes when faced with the enemy like a loser
MANY SUCH CASES, SAD!
11 months ago
Anonymous
You dumb frick PFC, lmao. Have fun getting murdered the first time you actually deploy anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Have fun getting murdered the first time you actually deploy anon
by fricking WHO???
11 months ago
Anonymous
by ME!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>new technology can not EVER be pointless!
sick straw man. High mounts make it easier to shoot passively with NODs >”B-but I used nods fine with my lower 1/3rd mount!!!” >”you don’t NEED a higher mount!!”
You’re moronic. There’s a reason guys currently fighting are using these mounts and it’s not because they’re all hype beasts. It’s more ergonomic for the majority of people that have tried them.
Don’t like the mount? Fine, don’t use it. But going on an autistic rant because people are using something that didn’t exist 30 years ago just makes you look like a moron. HAVE A GOOD ONE ‘SARNT o7 THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE
11 months ago
Anonymous
I hate high mounts and even if they're objectively better no one should use them!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he says, after making the initial strawman >>WE DIDNT NEED NO RED DOTS IN MY DAY SONNY WE USED IRON SIGHTS!!
moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
That’s not a strawman, it’s reductio ad absurdum. I’m not actually trying to imply that you think that red dots are pointless, I’m simply comparing your outdated way of thinking on mounts with the moronic boomers that used to b***h about red dots being unnecessary.
tl;dr you’re moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the entire thread is one regular grunt Private defending his heckin consumer toy and saying "oh yeah well don shipley likes it so it HAS to be good" >while the OP is showing a regular 0311 using his larp toy
Huh, I notice a distinct lack of GBRS mounts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>distinct lack of GBRS mounts
Move the goalposts further my dude. I just posted multiple GB’s using tall mounts. If you want some pics of the hydra in use, scroll up and look at the OP
I just used my PEQ like every other swinging dick and had no issues. I am unironically the most experienced dick ITT, there is almost nobody else in here who's even deployed, much less seen combat. I would bet money I'm the only one here who has seen combat with more than one army, and in more than one war. Rough terrain isn't nearly as insane as everyone ITT is making it out to be, trust your feet and your body will work with it.
t. Friendly Syrian civil war anon
>just use your peq bro
not every situation allows for active aiming.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Even if it weren't just some LARPing 0311, SOF dudes aren't infallible killing machines and robots. They chase trends and do stupid shit all the time as well, if they weren't complete utter morons a huge chunk of them wouldn't write gay ass books and start firearms training courses that teach absolutely nothing of value. People will be people and nobody is perfect, there will never be the perfect setup for a gun and I don't know why this is still argued 20-someodd years after I've had these very same discussions on ARFCOM and similar forums. People have their setup for their gun and it works for them in their situation, trying to apply that to every situation is gay and dumb.
11 months ago
Pistol Spincat [Pistol Spincat]
Hydra mount is only a few months old, or at least the production version of it is. That photo predates it's release.
11 months ago
Anonymous
why do you think people who actually shoot 10x more rounds and train 10x as much as you ever did use high mounts. do you think its because they never heard of a cheek weld before? maybe a cheek weld is just more boomer fuddlore that has more to do with shooting a deer with a remington 700 than it does with engaging targets while moving, with nods on, or while keeping awareness of people to the left and right of you
11 months ago
Anonymous
>anon is conflating gay hydra mount with all high mounts and not understanding why he's being mocked
You're fricking gay homie, some boot ass 0311 on an MEU isn't '10x more rounds hurr' than any regular grunt for the last 30 years
11 months ago
Anonymous
>are you pretending to be moronic
Look man I can get a cheek weld just fine. Seems like you’re just asshurt that people are trying new things. SOCOM seems to like them. But keep posting: >WE DIDNT NEED NO RED DOTS IN MY DAY SONNY WE USED IRON SIGHTS!!
It’s kinda funny
Mexico won the battle but in so doing lost the war.
Yes but it was defended by volunteers from almost every state, including a member of congress (Davy Crockett)
Also a shitload of English and Welsh and Scots-Irish, which I didnt know until I went there >they have flags for all the nationalities and numbers for each
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also a shitload of English and Welsh and Scots-Irish, which I didnt know until I went there >>they have flags for all the nationalities and numbers for each
That was one of the coolest parts of finally visiting the Alamo. As a native Texan I always knew there were tons of volunteers from around the country, but I had never really seen it put into that kind of detail before. There were so many folks united.
Davy Crockett's contribution, and that of his volunteers, is especially why I will always consider Tennesseans honorary Texans.
The US does this crazy thing where we accept and learn from our past mistakes, instead of pretending it just never happened like every other country on earth.
>a picture of a helicopter is supposed to be meaningful, as though the embassy personnel should have actually teleported out
11 months ago
Anonymous
>retreating from stone-age sand Black folk with rusty ak's
11 months ago
Anonymous
>occupy country for over a decade >prop up and supply local government so they can take control >local government is completely corrupt and incompetent, doesn't even pay its soldiers so they all just leave when the taliban rolls in >america wipes their hands of it >somehow this is a crushing american defeat and not simply another reminder that middle eastern people are completely incapable of governing in a way that isn't a religious dictatorship.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>fight and die for 20 years >waste trillions of dollars >oops, I guess we're too moronic to win even though we thought otherwise for 2 decades >leave in disgrace
Afghanistan was a winnable war, America is just fricking moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>fight and die for 20 years
this is the part where you try to inflate the numbers with suicides.
11 months ago
Anonymous
...less Americans died in 20 years of Afghanistan than in 2 days of Ukraine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
what the frick does 25% of non-hostile actions mean
11 months ago
Anonymous
truck rollover or something
11 months ago
Anonymous
>absolutely one sided occupation for 20 years tries to get twisted into some crushing defeat by a mind rotten /misc/gay
As usual
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Afghanistan was a winnable war,
How was it winnable? Define the objectives needed to win.
Hardmode: no genocide
11 months ago
Anonymous
Force everyone to act and think like Americans, through endless TORTURE
11 months ago
Anonymous
just kill all the bad guys, employ the survivors in Walmart, how do you think the West was won?
Unga bunga me see cargo helicopter cargo cultist neuron activate
...less Americans died in 20 years of Afghanistan than in 2 days of Ukraine.
>local government is completely corrupt and incompetent, doesn't even pay its soldiers so they all just leave when the taliban rolls in
Correct in the first part, wrong in the second part, it was a cultural problem
The only 'country' in Afghanistan was in Kabul
Everywhere outside of Kabul were goat herders, rock farmers, opium farmers, and warlords who have lived that way since the beginning of time
Imagine having to tell these people
Who by the way have >3rd grade education >Deep rooted inbreeding >More shared identity with their goat racing team than they do with a soccer team, even less than the idea of 'Afghanistan'
Tell them >Hello, you are now part of a democratic country called Afghanistan, please pay taxes for roads you have no access to and take care of your new found democracy
The population outside of Kabul are the embodiment of >I don't care, I just work here >New management? I still get to get off at the usual time tho?
There was genuinely no saving Afghanistan, it will return to opium farming, goat herding, and warlords at the end of each cycle
https://i.imgur.com/rJE83O7.png
>fight and die for 20 years
this is the part where you try to inflate the numbers with suicides.
>absolutely one sided occupation for 20 years tries to get twisted into some crushing defeat by a mind rotten /misc/gay
As usual
America has literally zero excuse for there being any Taliban being left alive. The Taliban didn't even have an airforce. The Taliban still managed to skullfrick the ANA using only AK's and RPG's.
When coalition troops actually decided to fight out in the open instead of cowering in their base, the Taliban were still able to inflict kills despite America having infinite resources and airpower
and a logistical support system Afghans can only dream of. If you combine ANA losses with Coalition losses, Taliban K:D is pretty respectable, and let's face it US didn't do a lot of high intensity
fighting for 20 years, only around the '08 surge.
Secondly, fighting a war for 20 years and then throwing literally EVERYTHING away show's that your government and military leaders have piss poor strategy and are incompetent.
When a nation sets a goal, it must be worth fighting for, and therefore America is the definition of a loser because it gave up on what it sought to do.
Who controls Afghanistan now? The Taliban. Who has destroyed the Opium crop? The Taliban. Who has united Afghanistan, something the US said was impossible? The Taliban.
You keep fricking up by never learning the lessons of history. It makes me sad that I have to share this country people who are so pigheaded that you will doom us all and drag us to hell with your arrogance and moronation.
You do realize Ukraine was invaded because America looks weak. China is taking over the Middle East, whihc matters because it means we will lose power. They will have total control of global trade, and WILL invade Taiwan because America is a pussy BLM worshipping homosexual country.
I wish tings were better, but please, let us not put our heads in the sand and deny the reality of the situation.
P.S. also comparing Ukraine to Afghanistan is stupi
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The Afghans still managed to skullfrick other Afghans. >This reflects poorly on America somehow.
True if big. >If you combine ANA losses with Coalition losses, Taliban K:D is pretty respectable
Not how that works, but whatever. >Who has united Afghanistan, something the US said was impossible? The Taliban.
They're currently fighting an insurgency, homes. >Blah blah blah America bad everyone is stupid except me.
You sure told 'em, anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>anon unironically trying to save face over the war in Afghanistan and GWOT as a hole
wew
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11 months ago
Anonymous
you forgot to mention the part where being in afghanistan to begin with was a huge mistake because there is nothing worth fighting over there
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Afghanistan was a winnable war
No it wasn’t as we had no definition of “win”.
It started that we wanted to indiscriminately bomb civilians until we got Bin Laden. The Taliban said “no.” So we prepared to invade to overthrow the Taliban, and went ahead with it even after they gave in and said we could kill as many civilians as we wanted.
This now put us at war with the majority of Afghanistan.
We got Bin Ladin. So now what was the fricking goal? Turn Afghanistan into the 51st state? Leave them a government that was a puppet to Western corporate interests so we could turn their country into wage slaves for the 1% who would then cry, “COMMUNISM ” to get the US to invade again if they ever tried to take control of their country back?
They are too shoot-happy to be corporate slaves. They just want to live in caves and frick their goats. You can’t win against a determined insurgency, since it will always cost you more to defend yourselves than you gain from the slavery.
We were never going to have the Afghans wage-slave arms at a rate that exceeded our use. So it’s nothing but a constant drain on America.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>local government is completely corrupt and incompetent, doesn't even pay its soldiers so they all just leave when the taliban rolls in
Correct in the first part, wrong in the second part, it was a cultural problem
The only 'country' in Afghanistan was in Kabul
Everywhere outside of Kabul were goat herders, rock farmers, opium farmers, and warlords who have lived that way since the beginning of time
Imagine having to tell these people
Who by the way have >3rd grade education >Deep rooted inbreeding >More shared identity with their goat racing team than they do with a soccer team, even less than the idea of 'Afghanistan'
Tell them >Hello, you are now part of a democratic country called Afghanistan, please pay taxes for roads you have no access to and take care of your new found democracy
The population outside of Kabul are the embodiment of >I don't care, I just work here >New management? I still get to get off at the usual time tho?
There was genuinely no saving Afghanistan, it will return to opium farming, goat herding, and warlords at the end of each cycle
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Who by the way have
You forgot 'an IQ of 60-70 on average.'
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
>completely forgetting the twenty years of mistakes that led to the outcome
>We're the battling bastards of Bataan; >No mama, no papa, no Uncle Sam. >No aunts, no uncles, no cousins, no nieces, No pills, no planes, no artillery pieces; >And nobody gives a damn
god the us military is cringe.
im honestly starting to hate it more and more every year.
i think im going to start changing my voting because of it.
I think ima vote for canidates that want to reduce the MIC and the DOD.
its just too cringe.
and on top fo that, such a massive military just sitting around will inexorably be abused by some neocon homosexual or liberal hegemon homosexual or some globalist corporation, or used to subsidize the never ending collosal frickups of the foreign policy establishment.
im turning into a peacenik, /k/
Yes peacenik, you and most of the sensible people who signed the declaration of independence shared your view, did not want a standing army, which is why YOU are defined as militia in the 2A and no private quartering of soldiers is the 3A, and for the very same reasons you articulated.
But now, with global communication, the US military is starting to be abused by fricking foreigners too. Poles and estonians and other fricking eurohomosexuals who have paid 1% GDP for god damned decades, have never touched a gun, and then spam the frick out of the internet to coerce and trick the US to use its military for their purposes. I wouldnt be suprised to see ukraine annexed by poland after this shit is over.
>YOU are defined as militia in the 2A
Incorrect, but good try. : ) One of first amendments in the document specifically created to outline the fundamental rights of common citizens was actually intended to be about the government giving itself the right to create a standing army. The military is the militia, so you don't actually have a right to a gun unless you're in the military. That's just history in proper context.
Yeah it's fricking cringe, imagine spending that much money on it and not using it. I would have nuked the soviets and stop the cold war blue balling, fun fact the Soviets had a lot less nukes even into the early 60s than the USA meaning it would have winnable for the west.
Russia would've conquered the west if Japan didn't get their ego damaged by some Korean American admiral in the early 1900s. America fricked up not becoming an empire that day, an empire of earth.
They couldn't beat the Nips that were barely more industrialized than them. They lost to Germans 10 years after despite the germs being split on two major fronts with the two biggest colonial empires on the other front and having to babysit their moronic allies.
OK, i'm not military genius, I admit, I'm one of those war tourists because I believe I could get somewhat objective info about war in Ukraine and that's why I mostly shut up and just watch whet interest's me and not being an wiseass in shit where is not my forte.
That being said, as we saw in this war:
10.000 soldiers= 200$/equipment
or
100 soldiers=20,000$ /equipment
Those mounts are the equivalent of having a grenade launcher mounted on your AR, of course it's a good idea and useful in some particular circumstance, but don't act like it's a "practical" choice. You're putting one on because its trendy and you want to mimic military guys you admire.
as long as you practice your holdovers theres really nothing wrong with these mounts. obviously if you're putting lasers and shit on your gun for no reason its a waste but its definitely not 37mm flare gun tier
This except the opposite. Heads up / high rise optics are better in all situations. More comfortable by day and removes one thing to worry about when shooting with nods. By contrast using a low mount is sacrificing the performance just because you're self conscious about how it looks. No one is sticking on the goober hydra to look cooler, it looks fricking moronic, but it's really hard to go back.
In other words, absolute or lower 1/3 cowitness is LARPing as gwot/cold war/muh soul to sacrifice performance, while these giraffe mounts are the boring, ugly, practical route.
its not that much of a difference, its all ergonomics. you can passive aim with a 1/3 mounted optic, people have done it for decades, its just slightly more annoying than doing it with a 1.93 mount.
i wouldn't call it cargo cult but its just this "i have to copy what the special forces guy is doing" mentality without properly understanding why they're doing it and why it might not be the best for you.
well I can quite frankly say this is one of the most pedantic and moronic threads on /k/ right now. very little in life has set guidelines that min/maxxers like the anons in this thread are focussing on >train with gear >get good with gear >enjoy life as God intended
This is just more proof that all /K/ommando's are just obese morons that know nothing about firearms or gear besides "More Expensive means more better"
Absolutely zero self accountability, zero useful firearm knowledge, zero training, and have zero military experience. Willing to take advice only from their favorite social media influencers, and also willing to shit on literally anything that is used in the real world by military forces for absolutely zero reason. Knowing full well that their weapons and gear are kitted out for a specific purpose that they are expected to fulfill.
Never change, /K/ you really keep all of us combat vets entertained.
>dude I invented an imaginary problem where I couldn't use my laser on the front of my rifle so I had to make it float and also couple it with my riser and also make it cost 8 gorillion dollars >no I do not care that my rifle is now huge, my cheek weld sucks wiener, any my silhouette is larger form all angles don't you know the meta right now is to stand straight up in a killhouse you stupid goy
I am convinced we will have this go full circle and in 5 years everyone will care about low silhouette and height/bore again, then forget it in another 5 and we will have even more ridiculous riser/laser/light/optic/bayonet combos.
Use the unity mount, buy a knock off, use regular risers to Black person rig your own, hell go old school and run it on top of a detachable carry handle. Lots of ways to get to that height that don't involve turning your hard earned goy gold and transfiguring it into GRBS israelite gold.
just use the bottom has for CQB
this was good enough in 2001
I seriously don't think we need to do anything else
Look, man, i just think the larue mount with a t2 is cooler.
nobody asked, sister.
>navy
their sexual orientation is wrong, so is there gun ricing
>durrr absolute cowitness irons w/ da red dot so you can line up ur irons quicker!
or just line up the dot and forget the irons.
I like absolute cowitness with flip up irons and backup sights. That's the best thing I've found.
Based and markpilled
I am convinced they focused on this one single rifle for the lulz/satire
Do MEU actually deploy, or do they just shoot guns off the deck their entire career?
a MEU, is a deployment. It is not your station, you are sent on a MEU.
I'm not gonna lie, I lold at this setup. It's so gloriously moronic
I legitimately don't understand the purpose of these things
because super soldier dj shipley said the fraction of a second it takes to tilt your eye line down to the sight means you will die in a firefight. now buy my $1000 riser mount
No, it has to do with keeping armor perpendicular to your target. The argument is that if you’re more upright, you have a higher percentage change of bullseye hitting your armor compared to having your torso angles. Also, ricochets off armor when you’re upright will be more favorable. A third component is that an upright stance makes you smaller in CQB scenarios.
Being effective at killing isn’t about looking cool. These risers look silly but the arguments make sense.
They make sense for a really niche corner of combat operations. They don't make sense for 98% of people with firearms. Even in a "collapse" the last thing you should be preparing for is CQB high speed room clearing with low drag
>ricochets
>on plate
this is the absolute proof that people that buy steel plates are fricking morons.
for the rest i doubt on it, normally on house clearing you always look down your sight and only leave them when you have a friendly passing in front of you, and standing more uptight doesn't make you smaller. my guess is this is once again something that was marketed at a big scale and used the exposure effect to make sure it sells, and i'm sure that those that kept saying "it make shooting with NVG easier" are the same kind of people that tried to aim with their super low aimpoint Micro mount while using their PVS15.
Go away, DJ
>keep armor facing the enemy
>*exposes entire body to enemy*
When did SOF become severely moronic and why do people listen to them?
Post GWOT zoomer hero worship where they want to larp as GWOT operators without just admitting it
>A third component is that an upright stance makes you smaller in CQB scenarios.
Wouldn't it be the other way around?
it's for use with night vision, if you owned nods you'd get it
I used night vision with a regular ass M68 CCO just fine. I used night vision with every single Eotech I've ever touched, just fine. This is just past full moron at this point, why the frick would you sacrifice cheek weld 100% of the time for 0.1 picosecond faster aiming down NODs?
I am beginning to genuinely hate the gun community
>I used night vision with a regular ass M68 CCO just fine
nah bro, the nod collides with the gun hardcore if you don't have a riser, I have nods and it makes it really difficult to shoot without a riser
it's possible but it's fricking ass
>I am beginning to genuinely hate the gun community
it was always shit.
its just a constantly evolving form of shit.
you got everything from FUDDs to WOT 12 year olds to larperators and and everything in between.
and yes. US marines are larperators.
>marines are just the wet Army
FTFY
Although every 11B getting out now likes to grow beards and make podcasts on how best to larperate.
the US Army is larperators too.
so marines are wet larperators.
Every 11B makes fun of those gays. They are just vocal weirdos, the rest of us just want to go the frick home.
He probably just bought the thing.
Imagine spending an entire per diem paycheck on a hydra mount just to magdump on an amphib.
>why the frick would you sacrifice cheek weld 100% of the time f
cheek weld was unironically a stupid boomer meme. like you seriously have trouble controlling an intermediate cartridge with a parallax free optic without smushing your face on the stock?? boomer moron
"community" in this case is just some moronic excuse to sell derivative products to whichever moron buy them
Just buy guns and shoot them with friends, but never associate yourself with a distant and generalized community (as opposed to city/regional group to find such friends who are interested in it) because most are morons who will cast a shadow on you by association. Imagine if there was a BBQ community instead; just grill with your friends and family no need to buy some trendy shit and be some consumer cuck because your grill isn't fancy enough for social media upboats.
Try walking around over uneven terrain and trying to aim. You'll quickly realize even if you CAN aim using normal riser height, it's not ergonomic or fun to constantly be bumping your NODs into the gun.
When people say it doesn't matter and they can aim just fine, it usually is because they weren't doing any movement, or if you were it's on a flat surface.
I just used my PEQ like every other swinging dick and had no issues. I am unironically the most experienced dick ITT, there is almost nobody else in here who's even deployed, much less seen combat. I would bet money I'm the only one here who has seen combat with more than one army, and in more than one war. Rough terrain isn't nearly as insane as everyone ITT is making it out to be, trust your feet and your body will work with it.
t. Friendly Syrian civil war anon
You don't need a fricking 2.26" HOB for NODs, even a lower 1/3 will work with NODs, that's just pure bullshit. I prefer a 1.93 with NODs but you don't need anything over that it's just hype hypebeast homosexual shit that DJ Shipley sells because his disability payments suck dick.
I have all of the above and know what works best
you wanna post your nods and red dots?
This is what we ran with PVS-21’s, early GWOT. Either wore a catcher’s mask or MICH.
holy shit I do not look forward to your grandpa simpson ass talking about GWOT for the next 80 years, frick
t. 31 year oldboomer
I have nothing against modern shit, but too many people equate the absolute latest gear with skill. LMK when you have real world experience that’s not playing video games.
See above.
No, I do actually get laid.
Based Mk18 user.
Imagine getting your talking points from Everytown or moron Moms when pic rel is current federal law.
>Manlet thinks anything he says is of value
Lmao
Are you 5'1
I'm pretty sure the main "selling point" now is that it puts your body in a more upright position so when you're clearing rooms and CQBing you present your plates to the guy shooting at you point blank. You know, stuff every gun owner deals with on a day to day basis. Not to mention it'll be the main pastime after the collapse.
I cant wait to oper8 during the collapse. I am just as skilled as seal team 6. I watched all the GBRS group videos and took out a loan for pvs15s. My body is ready
And then when you think about it for a while and actually go navigate a couple times you realize that a suppressed, 8 inch 300blk SBR and a modular, minimalist, and stowable LBE approach along with copious outdoor skills and an emphasis on PT with the goal of never ever once in your life putting yourself in a position in which you fight someone else with a rifle is how you should be training on the farmable land that you own. The Art of the Rat.
I am convinced that the purpose of "totally retired I swear" CIA contractors in the gun training community is well poisoning. If they actually cared they would be teaching social dynamics in warfare, intelligence gathering, and Scout/Sniper skills.
And even before that, you should be focused on just being a regular, socially adjusted person who gets along with his community. And even before THAT, you should be focused on being somewhat active in your local community so even if the world went to shit, your community probably wouldn't.
This was the blackpill for me, being a gear queer doesn't fricking matter if everyone for 50 miles is a stranger and you have zero contingency to continue a normal life.
Turns out normies were the ultimate preppers all along bros....
I actually believe this to some extent. Although I think a lot are just grifting. I think at some level they put this stuff out there to make the mad max style apocalypse somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy.
>verification VPSHOT
You’ve gotta kill your self broke nerd. Mega gay vibes and you have no drip
You talk like a homosexual man-child who just graduated high school.
Improves situational awareness, works very well with helmet mounted NODs and moves the LLM to a place that actually makes sense because it's better for rifle ballance while not putting your hand in the way of beams.
It makes sense in military context. If you are a civillian that's not a full time metro area SWAT team member, you have zero use for the thing other than larping.
it lets you C-Clamperino while keeping your laser device on the top of the gun. Ignore height over bore. We don't talk about that.
The Army could do their job, but the Navy will never let them take the glory, especially now that boats don’t fight each other, so we just have to put up with them. At least feeding them is cheap, they’ll take crayons.
gas mask makes normal cheek weld difficult without a riser.
Yeah but we don't pretend we wear a promask 24/7 anon. If your justification for gear is "Okay well it's slightly less shit in these very specific uncommon circumstances", you're a credit card prostitute more than anything.
This thread is about the military having such a setup, do they not use gas masks? do they not have NODs? Do they not have criteria that may necessitate such a setup that will alleviate some complications shooting their firearms?
no because civilians are the actual military and the military is just LARPers.
get with the times gramps
>This thread is about the military having such a setup, do they not use gas masks?
Anon you have literally zero clue how rare it is to wear a promask, let alone shoot with one. There are probably less than a dozen people killed by active duty who were wearing promasks in the last 20 years.
>do they not have NODs
whatisaPEQ
>Do they not have criteria that may necessitate such a setup that will alleviate some complications shooting their firearms
We don't have criteria that outweigh fundamental things like silhouette and height over bore or cheek weld, no. SOF could maybe, MAYBE make the argument that since they're spending all their time kicking doors and writing books that they don't have real downsides, but even they have to fight outdoors here and there. For grunts expected to fight in complex and varying terrain it's pointless.
>height over bore or cheek weld,
these are fuddlore and only relevant when shooting at deers from a deer stand sorry
>how rare it is to wear a promask
And they do have to wear one when it necessitate one, so whats the issue that they want to accommodate for this however rare it is?
>whatisaPEQ
They still have it on there. Their shorter barrel and hand guard setup makes it difficult to have everything they need on the hand guard while still have good placement of their off hand.
>We don't have criteria that outweigh fundamental things like silhouette and height over bore or cheek weld, no.
Then you don't have to, others will want to. What is the problem?
Are you being intentionally obtuse or something anon?
>And they do have to wear one when it necessitate one, so whats the issue that they want to accommodate for this however rare it is?
U s e y o u r P E Q i t i s t h e r e f o r a r e a s o n
>shorter barrel and hand guard setup makes it difficult to have everything
>tfw greatest minds in SOCOM have forgotten how to run a switch on the same rail as a PEQ, or mount a light/laser on different sides of a rail (deep level technology DO NOT RESEARCH)
>What is the problem?
You are mistaking basic criticisms for something else, I think.
Thisisbait
>Thisisbait
explain to me why a cheek weld is appropriate when shooting an intermediate cartridge with a modern shooting posture
are you too much of a pussy to control 5.56?? for real?? you need to smush your face into the gun?
>just use your peq bro
IR lasers are inherently less accurate and less effective than using your optic. Doctrinally, the IR laser is used for close-in and for designating targets. IR lasers give off an infrared signature which opposing forces can spot you with. We don't own the night anymore and it's a fair assumption to make that you may face combat threats with night vision these days. The Taliban has night vision, even before we left all of our shit in Afghanistan
>tfw shooting at people at night but can't give my position away so I don't use my PEQ
why do you think we have flash hiders
duh how could I forget, flash hiders completely hide the flash and make it completely invisible!
if you've ever taken a camoflage class you would know that you try and reduce your signature in every aspect possible, including glint from shiny metal objects or a watch face or worn parts on your weapon
so why the frick would you willy nilly shine a laser that leads directly back to your position and just say 'FRICK IT LOL' success in operations is all about attention to details. every little detail matters. just saying "WELL IT DOESNT MAKE ME INVISIBLE" "WOW THIS FIRING POSITION WONT MAKE ME INDESTRUCTABLE" "WOW SECURITY CAN BARELY SEE ANYWAY< FRICK IT" is not the right answer
>Are you being intentionally obtuse or something anon?
Are you misunderstanding something? or do you think everything is a shouting argument where there is no possible cordial discussion that can be had?
>U s e y o u r P E Q i t i s t h e r e f o r a r e a s o n
Probably because constantly activating the LAM is not the preferred doctrine unless and passive aiming with the otpic is more preferred.
>You are mistaking basic criticisms for something else, I think.
Sounds like that is the case, it is a (you) problem.
are we fricking serious here?
Everyone was running risers on their HKs
It's weird to see this being done on an actual MEU. It's like a YouTube LARP made into an actual deployment. What the frick, everything is just wrong.
>extreme goofball riser on an already high as frick optic window
>tactical handguard wrapping like some gay Costa shit
>the weird larp "look both ways" shit taught in concealed carry courses
The frick is going on
Every moronic 18 yo zoomer that enlists now is a YouTube addict, so of course they’re into this shit.
>the weird larp "look both ways" shit taught in concealed carry courses
we do it in the french army, thought it was a universal thing
>no irons
You can see the handguard is short and has things on there that does not have enough rail space for the entire setup of pressure pad, LAM and WML and where the personnel likes to have their offhand on the handguard to support the rifle. The higher mount height for the optic is desired for NVD passive aiming, this has always been desired for military and was the original argument for the higher riser mount and was the butt of jokes for civilian (and to some extent LEO) because they are less likely to own or use NODs. Now there is a reversal and people like you are complaining that the military are using equipment and accessories that they actually will make use of?
When did Muhreens get 10.4 HK416s? Did they take a hacksaw to their M27s like they did their M4s to make the original MK18?
There was a request for short-barreled uppers for the M27 for Recon Muhreenz last year. The two strips of velcro on his sleeve (Crye G3) and the MultiCam JPC both indicate he's part of Recon.
Did we seriously name a ship after a battle we lost and our men got put on a death march of the same name after?
>what are YOU going to do about it?
dangerously based
wow, thank you for your service of being the mouthiest woman in the room.
>less than a paragraph is considered "mouthy"
You're a fricking moron kek
t. has never once in his entire life, ever, had to use a rifle while maneuvering in any meaningful capacity
shooting moving and communicating is my fricking job description boomer tard
Ask me how I know you've never done frick all in MOUT anon
its funny because heads up shooting is more applicable in mout anyway please die and stop spending social security and VA money to keep your crusty ass alive
Ahh you don't know nothin' about shooting and moving
>can’t get a cheekweld with a skyscraper mount
Do you have a really short neck or something?
The main selling point is that it’s more comfortable, especially with NODs.
>distance is from cheek to eye
>tangent about neck length
Are you just pretending to be moronic
Lol, what kind of moronation is this? You can shoot over your rifle in MOUT, because you are lowering your rifle to point shoot. Why the frick would you change your rifle to include an unwieldy riser that absolutely rapes your silhouette everywhere else (because you, anon, are a regular ass 11 series) for imaginary gains? Did you forget that MOUT doesn't literally mean 2 foot wide hallways 100% of the time, and you still have to aim reliably under stress, across streets, courtyards, down alley ways, etc? Or did your shit tier neverdeployed NCOs just not know how to teach that?
>ll have to aim reliably under stress, across streets, courtyards, down alley ways, etc?
and i dont have to shove my face against the gun, ruining my situational awareness and peripheral vision, to do any of those things
Now I know you're gay
>can't keep both eyes open or communicate with his team
Many such cases, SAD!
>new technology can not EVER be pointless! Every criticism is the same as thinking the typewriter is newfangled garbage!
Kek
>lowers his head and eyes when faced with the enemy like a loser
MANY SUCH CASES, SAD!
You dumb frick PFC, lmao. Have fun getting murdered the first time you actually deploy anon
>Have fun getting murdered the first time you actually deploy anon
by fricking WHO???
by ME!
>new technology can not EVER be pointless!
sick straw man. High mounts make it easier to shoot passively with NODs
>”B-but I used nods fine with my lower 1/3rd mount!!!”
>”you don’t NEED a higher mount!!”
You’re moronic. There’s a reason guys currently fighting are using these mounts and it’s not because they’re all hype beasts. It’s more ergonomic for the majority of people that have tried them.
Don’t like the mount? Fine, don’t use it. But going on an autistic rant because people are using something that didn’t exist 30 years ago just makes you look like a moron. HAVE A GOOD ONE ‘SARNT o7 THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE
I hate high mounts and even if they're objectively better no one should use them!
>he says, after making the initial strawman
>>WE DIDNT NEED NO RED DOTS IN MY DAY SONNY WE USED IRON SIGHTS!!
moron
That’s not a strawman, it’s reductio ad absurdum. I’m not actually trying to imply that you think that red dots are pointless, I’m simply comparing your outdated way of thinking on mounts with the moronic boomers that used to b***h about red dots being unnecessary.
tl;dr you’re moronic
>the entire thread is one regular grunt Private defending his heckin consumer toy and saying "oh yeah well don shipley likes it so it HAS to be good"
>while the OP is showing a regular 0311 using his larp toy
Huh, I notice a distinct lack of GBRS mounts.
>distinct lack of GBRS mounts
Move the goalposts further my dude. I just posted multiple GB’s using tall mounts. If you want some pics of the hydra in use, scroll up and look at the OP
>just use your peq bro
not every situation allows for active aiming.
Even if it weren't just some LARPing 0311, SOF dudes aren't infallible killing machines and robots. They chase trends and do stupid shit all the time as well, if they weren't complete utter morons a huge chunk of them wouldn't write gay ass books and start firearms training courses that teach absolutely nothing of value. People will be people and nobody is perfect, there will never be the perfect setup for a gun and I don't know why this is still argued 20-someodd years after I've had these very same discussions on ARFCOM and similar forums. People have their setup for their gun and it works for them in their situation, trying to apply that to every situation is gay and dumb.
Hydra mount is only a few months old, or at least the production version of it is. That photo predates it's release.
why do you think people who actually shoot 10x more rounds and train 10x as much as you ever did use high mounts. do you think its because they never heard of a cheek weld before? maybe a cheek weld is just more boomer fuddlore that has more to do with shooting a deer with a remington 700 than it does with engaging targets while moving, with nods on, or while keeping awareness of people to the left and right of you
>anon is conflating gay hydra mount with all high mounts and not understanding why he's being mocked
You're fricking gay homie, some boot ass 0311 on an MEU isn't '10x more rounds hurr' than any regular grunt for the last 30 years
>are you pretending to be moronic
Look man I can get a cheek weld just fine. Seems like you’re just asshurt that people are trying new things. SOCOM seems to like them. But keep posting:
>WE DIDNT NEED NO RED DOTS IN MY DAY SONNY WE USED IRON SIGHTS!!
It’s kinda funny
>Do you have a really short neck or something?
Anon…is the cheek above or below the neck?
Depends on which type of cheeks.
See that would make sense if japan named the boat that. But they didn't, we did. The losers of that battle.
We remember the Alamo and we lost there
Who is we? Texas wasn't America when alamo happened.
Yes but it was defended by volunteers from almost every state, including a member of congress (Davy Crockett)
>we lost there
Speak for yourself, gringo!
Mexico won the battle but in so doing lost the war.
Also a shitload of English and Welsh and Scots-Irish, which I didnt know until I went there
>they have flags for all the nationalities and numbers for each
>Also a shitload of English and Welsh and Scots-Irish, which I didnt know until I went there
>>they have flags for all the nationalities and numbers for each
That was one of the coolest parts of finally visiting the Alamo. As a native Texan I always knew there were tons of volunteers from around the country, but I had never really seen it put into that kind of detail before. There were so many folks united.
Davy Crockett's contribution, and that of his volunteers, is especially why I will always consider Tennesseans honorary Texans.
It's not commemorating that we lost
It's to commemorate our soldiers who fought and died and sacrificed.
We fought at Bataan for months.
Singapore lasted a few days.
And we were fighting 2-3 times more Japanese than the British did.
The US does this crazy thing where we accept and learn from our past mistakes, instead of pretending it just never happened like every other country on earth.
>The US does this crazy thing where we accept and learn from our past mistakes
>a picture of a helicopter is supposed to be meaningful, as though the embassy personnel should have actually teleported out
>retreating from stone-age sand Black folk with rusty ak's
>occupy country for over a decade
>prop up and supply local government so they can take control
>local government is completely corrupt and incompetent, doesn't even pay its soldiers so they all just leave when the taliban rolls in
>america wipes their hands of it
>somehow this is a crushing american defeat and not simply another reminder that middle eastern people are completely incapable of governing in a way that isn't a religious dictatorship.
>fight and die for 20 years
>waste trillions of dollars
>oops, I guess we're too moronic to win even though we thought otherwise for 2 decades
>leave in disgrace
Afghanistan was a winnable war, America is just fricking moronic
>fight and die for 20 years
this is the part where you try to inflate the numbers with suicides.
...less Americans died in 20 years of Afghanistan than in 2 days of Ukraine.
what the frick does 25% of non-hostile actions mean
truck rollover or something
>absolutely one sided occupation for 20 years tries to get twisted into some crushing defeat by a mind rotten /misc/gay
As usual
>Afghanistan was a winnable war,
How was it winnable? Define the objectives needed to win.
Hardmode: no genocide
Force everyone to act and think like Americans, through endless TORTURE
just kill all the bad guys, employ the survivors in Walmart, how do you think the West was won?
America has literally zero excuse for there being any Taliban being left alive. The Taliban didn't even have an airforce. The Taliban still managed to skullfrick the ANA using only AK's and RPG's.
When coalition troops actually decided to fight out in the open instead of cowering in their base, the Taliban were still able to inflict kills despite America having infinite resources and airpower
and a logistical support system Afghans can only dream of. If you combine ANA losses with Coalition losses, Taliban K:D is pretty respectable, and let's face it US didn't do a lot of high intensity
fighting for 20 years, only around the '08 surge.
Secondly, fighting a war for 20 years and then throwing literally EVERYTHING away show's that your government and military leaders have piss poor strategy and are incompetent.
When a nation sets a goal, it must be worth fighting for, and therefore America is the definition of a loser because it gave up on what it sought to do.
Who controls Afghanistan now? The Taliban. Who has destroyed the Opium crop? The Taliban. Who has united Afghanistan, something the US said was impossible? The Taliban.
You keep fricking up by never learning the lessons of history. It makes me sad that I have to share this country people who are so pigheaded that you will doom us all and drag us to hell with your arrogance and moronation.
You do realize Ukraine was invaded because America looks weak. China is taking over the Middle East, whihc matters because it means we will lose power. They will have total control of global trade, and WILL invade Taiwan because America is a pussy BLM worshipping homosexual country.
I wish tings were better, but please, let us not put our heads in the sand and deny the reality of the situation.
P.S. also comparing Ukraine to Afghanistan is stupi
>The Afghans still managed to skullfrick other Afghans.
>This reflects poorly on America somehow.
True if big.
>If you combine ANA losses with Coalition losses, Taliban K:D is pretty respectable
Not how that works, but whatever.
>Who has united Afghanistan, something the US said was impossible? The Taliban.
They're currently fighting an insurgency, homes.
>Blah blah blah America bad everyone is stupid except me.
You sure told 'em, anon.
>anon unironically trying to save face over the war in Afghanistan and GWOT as a hole
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you forgot to mention the part where being in afghanistan to begin with was a huge mistake because there is nothing worth fighting over there
>Afghanistan was a winnable war
No it wasn’t as we had no definition of “win”.
It started that we wanted to indiscriminately bomb civilians until we got Bin Laden. The Taliban said “no.” So we prepared to invade to overthrow the Taliban, and went ahead with it even after they gave in and said we could kill as many civilians as we wanted.
This now put us at war with the majority of Afghanistan.
We got Bin Ladin. So now what was the fricking goal? Turn Afghanistan into the 51st state? Leave them a government that was a puppet to Western corporate interests so we could turn their country into wage slaves for the 1% who would then cry, “COMMUNISM ” to get the US to invade again if they ever tried to take control of their country back?
They are too shoot-happy to be corporate slaves. They just want to live in caves and frick their goats. You can’t win against a determined insurgency, since it will always cost you more to defend yourselves than you gain from the slavery.
We were never going to have the Afghans wage-slave arms at a rate that exceeded our use. So it’s nothing but a constant drain on America.
>local government is completely corrupt and incompetent, doesn't even pay its soldiers so they all just leave when the taliban rolls in
Correct in the first part, wrong in the second part, it was a cultural problem
The only 'country' in Afghanistan was in Kabul
Everywhere outside of Kabul were goat herders, rock farmers, opium farmers, and warlords who have lived that way since the beginning of time
Imagine having to tell these people
Who by the way have
>3rd grade education
>Deep rooted inbreeding
>More shared identity with their goat racing team than they do with a soccer team, even less than the idea of 'Afghanistan'
Tell them
>Hello, you are now part of a democratic country called Afghanistan, please pay taxes for roads you have no access to and take care of your new found democracy
The population outside of Kabul are the embodiment of
>I don't care, I just work here
>New management? I still get to get off at the usual time tho?
There was genuinely no saving Afghanistan, it will return to opium farming, goat herding, and warlords at the end of each cycle
>Who by the way have
You forgot 'an IQ of 60-70 on average.'
>completely forgetting the twenty years of mistakes that led to the outcome
Unga bunga me see cargo helicopter cargo cultist neuron activate
I mean Kabul was less of a shitshow than Saigon.
If Russia had done that, they'd've lost embassy staff like theatre-goers in Moscow
>We're the battling bastards of Bataan;
>No mama, no papa, no Uncle Sam.
>No aunts, no uncles, no cousins, no nieces, No pills, no planes, no artillery pieces;
>And nobody gives a damn
>remember the Alamo
>pearl harbor
The memory of defeats is what inspires
U.S.S. Kabul when?
god the us military is cringe.
im honestly starting to hate it more and more every year.
i think im going to start changing my voting because of it.
I think ima vote for canidates that want to reduce the MIC and the DOD.
its just too cringe.
and on top fo that, such a massive military just sitting around will inexorably be abused by some neocon homosexual or liberal hegemon homosexual or some globalist corporation, or used to subsidize the never ending collosal frickups of the foreign policy establishment.
im turning into a peacenik, /k/
That's terrifying
They dont call it IRIS-T for nothing
Yes peacenik, you and most of the sensible people who signed the declaration of independence shared your view, did not want a standing army, which is why YOU are defined as militia in the 2A and no private quartering of soldiers is the 3A, and for the very same reasons you articulated.
But now, with global communication, the US military is starting to be abused by fricking foreigners too. Poles and estonians and other fricking eurohomosexuals who have paid 1% GDP for god damned decades, have never touched a gun, and then spam the frick out of the internet to coerce and trick the US to use its military for their purposes. I wouldnt be suprised to see ukraine annexed by poland after this shit is over.
im getting disgusted by all of it.
>YOU are defined as militia in the 2A
Incorrect, but good try. : ) One of first amendments in the document specifically created to outline the fundamental rights of common citizens was actually intended to be about the government giving itself the right to create a standing army. The military is the militia, so you don't actually have a right to a gun unless you're in the military. That's just history in proper context.
>maybe if I keep posting it my moms will finally tell me they love me
Yeah it's fricking cringe, imagine spending that much money on it and not using it. I would have nuked the soviets and stop the cold war blue balling, fun fact the Soviets had a lot less nukes even into the early 60s than the USA meaning it would have winnable for the west.
Russia would've conquered the west if Japan didn't get their ego damaged by some Korean American admiral in the early 1900s. America fricked up not becoming an empire that day, an empire of earth.
They couldn't beat the Nips that were barely more industrialized than them. They lost to Germans 10 years after despite the germs being split on two major fronts with the two biggest colonial empires on the other front and having to babysit their moronic allies.
>moustache rides intensifies
in 2030 a rifle would have helicopter hanger too
Ahh yes Bullpup hob had always been best
OK, i'm not military genius, I admit, I'm one of those war tourists because I believe I could get somewhat objective info about war in Ukraine and that's why I mostly shut up and just watch whet interest's me and not being an wiseass in shit where is not my forte.
That being said, as we saw in this war:
10.000 soldiers= 200$/equipment
or
100 soldiers=20,000$ /equipment
Is that landing gear on that Eotech?
COOL!
>shooting on ship
dont lose your barrel
....How the hell does that even happen?
dont lock the barrel in, cachunk of bolt pushes it off
vive la France !
Who's sending grunts hydra mounts?
Those mounts are the equivalent of having a grenade launcher mounted on your AR, of course it's a good idea and useful in some particular circumstance, but don't act like it's a "practical" choice. You're putting one on because its trendy and you want to mimic military guys you admire.
as long as you practice your holdovers theres really nothing wrong with these mounts. obviously if you're putting lasers and shit on your gun for no reason its a waste but its definitely not 37mm flare gun tier
This except the opposite. Heads up / high rise optics are better in all situations. More comfortable by day and removes one thing to worry about when shooting with nods. By contrast using a low mount is sacrificing the performance just because you're self conscious about how it looks. No one is sticking on the goober hydra to look cooler, it looks fricking moronic, but it's really hard to go back.
In other words, absolute or lower 1/3 cowitness is LARPing as gwot/cold war/muh soul to sacrifice performance, while these giraffe mounts are the boring, ugly, practical route.
its not that much of a difference, its all ergonomics. you can passive aim with a 1/3 mounted optic, people have done it for decades, its just slightly more annoying than doing it with a 1.93 mount.
i wouldn't call it cargo cult but its just this "i have to copy what the special forces guy is doing" mentality without properly understanding why they're doing it and why it might not be the best for you.
Yes they are. Go back to your containment thread.
well I can quite frankly say this is one of the most pedantic and moronic threads on /k/ right now. very little in life has set guidelines that min/maxxers like the anons in this thread are focussing on
>train with gear
>get good with gear
>enjoy life as God intended
Much better to:
>buy gear
>look for more gear online
>seethe and forget god
Is this a new or old copypasta?
You're right, I forgot you never will
your GWOT police actions don't count as real deployments either : )
sourgrapes.GIF
ITT: People complaining about things people who use their weapons use on their weapons
>this is now past ridiculous
This is just more proof that all /K/ommando's are just obese morons that know nothing about firearms or gear besides "More Expensive means more better"
Absolutely zero self accountability, zero useful firearm knowledge, zero training, and have zero military experience. Willing to take advice only from their favorite social media influencers, and also willing to shit on literally anything that is used in the real world by military forces for absolutely zero reason. Knowing full well that their weapons and gear are kitted out for a specific purpose that they are expected to fulfill.
Never change, /K/ you really keep all of us combat vets entertained.
>dude I invented an imaginary problem where I couldn't use my laser on the front of my rifle so I had to make it float and also couple it with my riser and also make it cost 8 gorillion dollars
>no I do not care that my rifle is now huge, my cheek weld sucks wiener, any my silhouette is larger form all angles don't you know the meta right now is to stand straight up in a killhouse you stupid goy
I am convinced we will have this go full circle and in 5 years everyone will care about low silhouette and height/bore again, then forget it in another 5 and we will have even more ridiculous riser/laser/light/optic/bayonet combos.
Ok so, can this mount be used on a AR-15 carry handle?
We need to go H I G H E R.
do you even need sights for shooting things at 15 meters?
hipfire is effective at that point
Seen worse
I was too late to have a fixed rear with a riser
Why, anon, why?
>seen worse
unironically A E S T H E T I C
>an entire branch of the military is wrong
I know the USMC is dumbass central but at least they're the branch that embraces being killers before anything else
Anon he has a knockoff GBRS that he bought himself. That's a regular 0311 who is on an MEU rotation.
OP why use a Yellow arrow against a Blue background unless your a brainwashed drone?
What the frick are you going on about?
Least mentally deranged vatBlack person
Are you saying the gbrs hydra mount isn't totally practical?
Are you saying it doesn't promote a neutral spinal position and good posture?
ARE YOU NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS, BOY?!
Use the unity mount, buy a knock off, use regular risers to Black person rig your own, hell go old school and run it on top of a detachable carry handle. Lots of ways to get to that height that don't involve turning your hard earned goy gold and transfiguring it into GRBS israelite gold.
nearly every real operation is going to be at night, this mount is strictly better for night shooting while passive OR using a peq
the regular infantry does everything at night, SOF does everything at night, EVERYTHING is at night