>What actually is the range of GMLRS?
84 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_Multiple_Launch_Rocket_System#GMLRS
plus favorable wind conditions...
There's no way Ukrainians would rely on wind for it to be able to to go far enough to hit their target, right? That seems like gambling with the odds against you
Maybe it hitched a ride on the jetstream. Winds up there do seem to be blowing the right way.
Still, what's the expected range of a HIMARS rocket, 70km? 83 doesn't seem to big of a stretch.
It's a bit of a stretch to imagine such a high value asset like the himars being less than 10km from the line of contact, never mind being right on it.
Some HIMARS rocket variants, like certain species of spider, can deploy long strands of gossamer silk webbing to catch and ride the wind if conditions are favourable
Also, I think I'd finally be on board with calling HIMARS a war crime if it deployed a billion spiders upon reaching its target. On anyone other than Russians.
It turns out that when russians were inflating and overstating the capabilities of their weapons, NATO was actually keeping lid on the true performance of some of their systems.
always has honestly, the unclassed specs have always been wrong on just about anything.
It's one of the big reason people keep stealing and posting classified spec to win arguments on the war thunder games.
It just keeps happening because people are autists.
Yeah, my friend was trained on the starsteak and the range in Wikipedia is deduced by over 30% of the range that he was told was normal and even 45% in perfect conditions.
I wonder, is it possible there's ~~*civilian engineers*~~ in Ukraine slapping modern American GPS guidance to Tochkas? It would explain a lot, like the Berdyansk ship hit.
I wonder, is it possible there's ~~*civilian engineers*~~ in Ukraine slapping modern American GPS guidance to Tochkas? It would explain a lot, like the Berdyansk ship hit.
Entirely possible, there was Smerch modernization with a new guided rocket with increased range.
Was already replaced with the RQ-180 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-180
Also shows the difference between US and Russian Wunderwaffens, you only learn about US ones decades later or if the frick up massively and even then they never actually say what they do.
Only documented statistic for range is that it has a 5m CEP at 70km.
That doesn’t mean that’s it’s max range, only that it’s the max range for it to have threshold CEP
thus far there is only proof that HIMARS destroyed one (1) ammo depot based on wreckage there >inb4vatnikshill
this is based on austrian military commander
I am aware of the quoted range. This however would require that they place the units less than a km from the front line, which would be a huge blunder. The contrails would be easily visible. You could feasibly hunt them down.
Did anyone observe incoming missiles? If not, it could have been partisans/saboteurs. There is even a chance that it was unironically The Smooker—after all, Russians consider "safety" to be a concept for soft decadent Westoid pansies, if not indeed a fabrication by the MIC to defraud the American taxpayer.
What are the chances that Russian officers are blowing up ammo dumps to hide the fact that half of the boxes are empty because they embezzled the money...
Could be Tochka-U. Could be saboteurs - special forces, partisans or even Russian soldiers who want to stall so they have better survival chances. Could even be an air raid, as we've seen them doing air raids into Russia itself before
I wouldnt worry about it.
>everything is himars
fricking idiot
its ciggarete
>Russian smokes are so bad theyre the leading cause of not only infantry losses, but infrastructure and naval losses as well
it was a tail wind. god is on ukr side.
I wonder if there might unironically be some truth to this. GMLRS after all experiences drag like everything else.
The captchas are getting ridiculous.
There's no way Ukrainians would rely on wind for it to be able to to go far enough to hit their target, right? That seems like gambling with the odds against you
I doubt that it actually was a HIMAR, I don't think they would place one that close to the front, the Russians are obviously hunting for them.
HIMARS isn't plural, it's an acronym, the singular isn't HIMAR, it's still HIMARS
The plural is himarses
or maybe it's just HIMARS like moose.
Isn't that meese?
the plural is Himarii, the collective is "a murder". Russian ammo depots have been targeted by a murder of Himarii.
HIMAR balls
If you want to refer to the ammo they'll be using for the foreseeable future, they're firing M31 rockets.
The Lugansk strike was reportedly launched from Bakhmut
Also - according to Russian sources - it took out the main air defense battery for Lugansk, lol.
Here's the vid
Maybe it hitched a ride on the jetstream. Winds up there do seem to be blowing the right way.
Still, what's the expected range of a HIMARS rocket, 70km? 83 doesn't seem to big of a stretch.
It's a bit of a stretch to imagine such a high value asset like the himars being less than 10km from the line of contact, never mind being right on it.
Some HIMARS rocket variants, like certain species of spider, can deploy long strands of gossamer silk webbing to catch and ride the wind if conditions are favourable
Nature is so beautiful.
Also, I think I'd finally be on board with calling HIMARS a war crime if it deployed a billion spiders upon reaching its target. On anyone other than Russians.
They had a running start
>What actually is the range of GMLRS?
If we told you it wouldn't be a surprise!
It turns out that when russians were inflating and overstating the capabilities of their weapons, NATO was actually keeping lid on the true performance of some of their systems.
>NATO was actually keeping lid on the true performance of some of their systems
always has honestly, the unclassed specs have always been wrong on just about anything.
It's one of the big reason people keep stealing and posting classified spec to win arguments on the war thunder games.
It just keeps happening because people are autists.
Yeah, my friend was trained on the starsteak and the range in Wikipedia is deduced by over 30% of the range that he was told was normal and even 45% in perfect conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka
I wonder, is it possible there's ~~*civilian engineers*~~ in Ukraine slapping modern American GPS guidance to Tochkas? It would explain a lot, like the Berdyansk ship hit.
the cluster bomb radius of the modern tochka is about 2x the CEP.
No, the ukies usually fire a couple of them at a time to guarantee a hit
This/
Entirely possible, there was Smerch modernization with a new guided rocket with increased range.
the rocket got excited and went a little too far, it happens sometimes, nothing to be concerned about fren
Sorry I forgot there was limit, won't happen again.
yeah
Was already replaced with the RQ-180 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-180
Also shows the difference between US and Russian Wunderwaffens, you only learn about US ones decades later or if the frick up massively and even then they never actually say what they do.
with the amount of intel we are feeding Ukraine I would be very surprised if these aren't flying over there right now
>growing evidence points to the existence of the RQ-180 and its use in regular front-line service.
Spooky
Only documented statistic for range is that it has a 5m CEP at 70km.
That doesn’t mean that’s it’s max range, only that it’s the max range for it to have threshold CEP
But it's fricking gps how can it become 10m there?
Rocket’s ability to correct it’s course is energy dependant
The rocket knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
Don't worry about it bud.
What are winds aloft?
>UNFURL THE GALLANTS, GET THAT MAINBRACE INTO THE WIND!
>STEP LIVELY LADS, WE'RE BOUND FOR KHERSON AMMUNITION DEPOT!
Because it's probably Tochka U
thus far there is only proof that HIMARS destroyed one (1) ammo depot based on wreckage there
>inb4vatnikshill
this is based on austrian military commander
this
>What actually is the range of GMLRS?
84 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_Multiple_Launch_Rocket_System#GMLRS
plus favorable wind conditions...
I am aware of the quoted range. This however would require that they place the units less than a km from the front line, which would be a huge blunder. The contrails would be easily visible. You could feasibly hunt them down.
shoot and scoot
The only people that close to the front line on the Russian side are DNR/LNR meatshields with no night fighting capabilities and inefficient comms
I agree with you and I don't like how all artillery hits now are attributed to himars without any sort of proof.
But on the other hand Russia has no night fighting capabilities and NATO could just tell them where to launch. The risk is fairly low.
is it possible the Wikipedia stats are not 100% accurate?
Guess the cat is out of the bag now.
84 km
Did anyone observe incoming missiles? If not, it could have been partisans/saboteurs. There is even a chance that it was unironically The Smooker—after all, Russians consider "safety" to be a concept for soft decadent Westoid pansies, if not indeed a fabrication by the MIC to defraud the American taxpayer.
What are the chances that Russian officers are blowing up ammo dumps to hide the fact that half of the boxes are empty because they embezzled the money...
That actually sounds somewhat possible.
>G-Guys we got hit by a HIMARS all of our ammo is gone
HIMARS is just a cover story. It's actually rods from god.
Could be Tochka-U. Could be saboteurs - special forces, partisans or even Russian soldiers who want to stall so they have better survival chances. Could even be an air raid, as we've seen them doing air raids into Russia itself before
It was climate change
What happened here?