there is literally no justification for bolt or pump action or revolvers

purely an aesthetic/budget choice on the part of wannabe badasses, similar to choosing a shitty gun because it looks cool or takes more skill in a video game
all of the supposed pros of revolvers, bolt actions, and pump action are pure fudd, like generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Uh, hun, sweety, are you uh, like uh, fricking stupid or something? Different actions have different, like uh, pressure ratings, meaning larger caliber rounds with higher propellant loads kind of like, you know, may require a more substantial action in order to not like, blow up when you shoot it, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >20mm Lahti
      >20mm Anzio
      >20mm NTW-20
      All semi auto.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Also not as accurate, and they don't need to be for their use.

        Sniper rifles remain largely bolt action because of pressure issues, weight, and accuracy.

        There is less of a case for revolvers, although tactical revolvers for raids have been made since the 2000s with the premise that they are less likely to jam after being banged on walls and ballistics shields. They never really took off though because the higher capacity and select fire of the smaller machine pistols makes more sense.

        SMGs also aren't "obsolete" they are just niche. Armed forces still put out new RFPs for them because they will always do some things better.

        Shotguns are also not obsolete. They have a role in breeching, MP work, and law enforcement.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Shotguns are also not obsolete. They have a role in breeching, MP work, and law enforcement.
          Also hunting. Why is it that everybody on /k/ thinks every gun needs to be built specifically for cops& soldiers? Shit's moronic & is an indication of people who don't shoot& get all their information on guns from vidya& movies

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's the case for shotguns on MPs guarding prisoners? I know they still use them a lot.

            I was thinking:
            >Can switch to less lethal rounds if needed, beanbags, etc.
            >No need to worry about armor
            >Apparently best CQC accuracy in some British/American test (followed by SMG burst)
            >Best one shot lethality
            >If a prisoner happens to get one they don't have that much ammunition.
            >For the guys up close, and then other guys still have rifles so capacity isn't an issue.

            Or is it just because it looks cool?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Or is it just because it looks cool?
              No, dipshit. That is not the reason. It's all the other reasons you listed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Budget choice
      Well yeah, everything's a budget choice. You have less than infinity dollars to spend on any single firearm, will you be spending that budget on accuracy or rate of fire?

      Bolt actions are cheaper to make then semi-automatics.

      Try making a sub 1 MOA 338 LM semi-automatic that weighs less than 7 pounds like the picture in your OP
      Pro tip: Its not possible

      not a practical issue for any 1st world police or military compared to ability to repeat fire especially at long range. Bolt actions are more effective at short range than long range because you don't get follow up shots.

      The mechanical parts do, the only reason bolt actions aren't always lighter is because they typically have heavier stocks than necessary.

      Because when it's too light it's a pain to shoot, who would have thought? I wonder why we don't all adopt full auto pistols, they would be the perfect PDWs and weigh so much less!?!?!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >police or military
        Well I'm neither of those things and I happen to just enjoy using revolvers and pump guns. Rage harder newbie

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >not a practical issue for any 1st world police or military compared to ability to repeat fire especially at long range. Bolt actions are more effective at short range than long range because you don't get follow up shots.
        Then why do almost all of them use bolt-action sniper rifles anyway?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick you, I like them. Thats all the justification I need you bird wristed nancyboy homosexual.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Budget choice
    Well yeah, everything's a budget choice. You have less than infinity dollars to spend on any single firearm, will you be spending that budget on accuracy or rate of fire?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1 minute of angle difference is way less of a hindrance than no follow up shots

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Budget choice
        Well yeah, everything's a budget choice. You have less than infinity dollars to spend on any single firearm, will you be spending that budget on accuracy or rate of fire?

        and the differences we're talking about are generally way less than 1 MOA. The garand had 2 moa accuracy way back in WW2 lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > The garand had 2 moa accuracy way back in WW2 lol
          No they absolutely weren’t. Ammo wasn’t within 2 MOA then

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        at 1000 yards, 1 MOA is 10 inches - nearly a foot - the difference between a clean hit and a complete miss. This is why snipers use bolt action rifles with high accuracy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Precision, not accuracy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        and the differences we're talking about are generally way less than 1 MOA. The garand had 2 moa accuracy way back in WW2 lol

        Garands were 3 MOA with match ammo, and running the bolt takes a fraction of the time of lining up your next shot. What are you going to be shooting at with the rifle in the OP that you will need to snap off a second shot as fast as possible, assuming you didn't miss the first time? Semi auto is just a cope for bad shooters, at least at 300+ yards.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bolt actions are cheaper to make then semi-automatics.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If that's true, why are semi auto .22s cheaper than bolt actions with magazines?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      someone call desert tech and tell them stahp.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *and stronger
      *and more accurate

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Try making a sub 1 MOA 338 LM semi-automatic that weighs less than 7 pounds like the picture in your OP
    Pro tip: Its not possible

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's about 10lbs with that scope/ bipod.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now do the math for adding accessories to an equivalent semi-auto.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A SWORD International Mk-18 is 11.8 pounds without a scope and bipod, 12.8 pounds with an empty magazine, it is the lightest semi-auto 338 on the market

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Semi autos usually dont weigh more

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The mechanical parts do, the only reason bolt actions aren't always lighter is because they typically have heavier stocks than necessary.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Already compared the Christensen Arms MPR to the Mk 18 in this thread
        Another comparison between guns built to be light weight:
        Q-Fix with 16'' 308 barrel: 6.3 pounds
        Sig Cross with 16'' 308 barrel: 6.8 pounds
        FN Scar-H with 16'' 7.61x51 barrel: 7.9 pounds

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Christensen Arms

          lol normie fudd 'gucci' brand

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They need more parts and nearly always will. Post some exceptions

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BAIT THREAD BAIT THREAD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      explain how I'm wrong fudd
      >chamber pressure is expensive
      >muh 1-2 lbs weight reduction in exchange for follow up shots
      deboonked

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Post your semi auto .338 Lapua. Post your .475 wildey

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if that were true, with regards to bolt action rifles, no military in the world would field them - in reality, he sturdyness, reliability, and accuracy inherent to an accurized, bedded-stock bolt action is unbeatable for the practical applications of military sharpshooters.
    I do precision shooting, and wouldn't dare try doing it with a semi-auto.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bolt rifles have soul

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go frick yourself. There's nothing wrong with the inherent strength, accuracy, and dependability of bolt guns. It's why they're still the choice of hunters. Have fun shooting off all your ammo

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1 semi-auto in .458Lott, please, OP.
    oh wait, is it impractical to adapt semi-auto actions to a variety of calibers or something?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's cheaper

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bolt action is more accurate and likely always will be. We put brand new gucci AR10s up against our old beat to shit Rem 700s and they weren't as accurate. Are they an acceptable level of accuracy? Sure depending on your use. Are they a superior or equal level of accuracy? No, so if accuracy is your primary concern go with a bolty.

    Pump actions are for shitty shotgun ammo or ammo pressure variations, and considering most shotgun ammo is shitty it varies greatly in pressure, they're still the only realistic option to shoot every type of ammo. All shotguns should be pump/semi hybrids by now though, the industry is skimping us on that simple technology.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >brand new gucci AR10s

      inb4 gucci AR10 mean aero

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Revolvers are sick and I can shoot the same .357 in my Smith K frame as my Henry levergun.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're the same kind of moron who shits up PrepHole with "why do people drive pickups" threads.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Btw why do people ride pickups? They're impractical. A proper truck (especially an off-road truck like GAZ-66 or Pinzgauer) or ordinary jeep would be much better depending on the amount of passengers and cargo load.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > depending on the amount of passengers and cargo load.
        Hmmmm so what if you have more passengers or more cargo? Really gets the noggin jogging

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    funny, is that why the army is ditching the m110 in favor of a bolty boi? its almost like people who use the things know something you dont

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >why the army is ditching the m110 in favor of a bolty boi

      are they?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        EOD are trialing it, strictly for the role of shooting IEDs; because M107s are heavy; 7.62 is unreliable at triggering them and static half-buried ordnance doesn't require quick follow up shots. Nobody else has even considered it; you know this well, but you're a seething disingenuous boltcuck so you left all that out.

        No they aren't, moron. The M2010 and M107 are on their way out in favor of the Mk22 but the 110 is staying on the MTOE.

        >the future is now old man

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      EOD are trialing it, strictly for the role of shooting IEDs; because M107s are heavy; 7.62 is unreliable at triggering them and static half-buried ordnance doesn't require quick follow up shots. Nobody else has even considered it; you know this well, but you're a seething disingenuous boltcuck so you left all that out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No they aren't, moron. The M2010 and M107 are on their way out in favor of the Mk22 but the 110 is staying on the MTOE.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bolt action
    sealed chamber and no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto

    >pump action
    will never have feeding issues due to underpowered shells

    >revolvers
    actually fair

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >actually fair
      Wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > sealed chamber and no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto
      No OP but I’ll argue against this. I hate always going to mud tests, but ARs and other sealed guns do very well. After the first shot a bolt action is going to plug up with mud. The dust (mud) cover makes a huge difference.

      That said bolt actions and lever actions will always be quieter with a suppressor. That alone is worth it. A suppressed .22 bolt action is so much fun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well that's certainly a point in the favor of the AR as long as you close the dust cover before you accidentally slip in the mud and don't bother to wipe off your bolt action before cycling it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dude have you not seen the videos or ARs working fine with the dust cover open?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto
      Also it's easier to clean a bolt action

      > sealed chamber and no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto
      No OP but I’ll argue against this. I hate always going to mud tests, but ARs and other sealed guns do very well. After the first shot a bolt action is going to plug up with mud. The dust (mud) cover makes a huge difference.

      That said bolt actions and lever actions will always be quieter with a suppressor. That alone is worth it. A suppressed .22 bolt action is so much fun.

      What about ammo quality? If ammo is wrong, the AR (or AK or any other system) won't cycle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > What about ammo quality?
        Yeah you’re right. No argument from me. I’m just pointing out they aren’t always more reliable

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    your a no guns child who has no exposure to firearms outside video games and are incredibly stupid and lack any self awareness of that. You have to be 18 to post here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post sniper rifle

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"
    you realize generals in ww1 deployed water cooled belt fed machine guns you worthless moron?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/FGjywxB.jpeg

      >generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"

      Tbh that's why M1903 has magazine locking switch. And that's why introduction of Fedorov gun was met with troubles. And that's why Lee Enfield is not meant to be reloaded with magazines.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Soldiers were always wasting ammo. In WWI, they were there to absorb artillery and machine gun fire, not shoot other troops. Lrn 2 history.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What raifle is in OP photo? Looks awesome

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I own a nugget because I was a 18 year old poorgay before
    I own a kar98 because I’m racist and antisemitic
    I own a mk13 (waiting on correct receiver) because I must gunsoom

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Semi-automatic rifles are less accurate at range than bolt action rifles.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So post your <.5 MOA semi auto then?
    Oh wait that’s right you won’t do that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >won’t
      *can't
      OP doesn't shoot

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >there is literally no justification for bolt or pump action or revolvers
    The only justification I need is because I want it you dumb Black person, you sound like one of those autistic germans who make a spreadsheet to see how many dicks you suck on a week. And like any other german, God hates you with good reason

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      anon we already have 5 other posts exactly like yours

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well OP needs to understand the depth of his autism and homosexuality.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't care, germans should suffer, any punishment against the german race is a gift from God

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You type like a hommosexual

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i like sniper rifle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're a moron.
      Post the firearms you own.
      >not having multiple guns in different actions for fun
      >ignoring benefits of a bolt action design and why it's still used by pretty much every military for marksman rifles

      how well do the CF sleeve barrels hold up? I've shot out the barrel on my tikka t3 and need to replace the barrel at some point and it's my hunting rig so light is always interesting to me.

      https://i.imgur.com/B1olNTa.jpeg

      I own a nugget because I was a 18 year old poorgay before
      I own a kar98 because I’m racist and antisemitic
      I own a mk13 (waiting on correct receiver) because I must gunsoom

      fellow aics chassis appreciator

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >CF sleeve barrels

        nah steyr just leaves the hammer forge marks on their barrels cause it looks cool

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          oh thought it was one of them fancy newfangled forged carbon barrels lmfao.
          gotcha, never really looked into stery so don't know much about them, love Tikka and Sako though.

          https://i.imgur.com/NhjuJav.jpeg

          Good thing I'm carrying a break action.

          If the picture posted shows a break action rifle, OP is a gay.

          based

          >Shotguns are also not obsolete. They have a role in breeching, MP work, and law enforcement.
          Also hunting. Why is it that everybody on /k/ thinks every gun needs to be built specifically for cops& soldiers? Shit's moronic & is an indication of people who don't shoot& get all their information on guns from vidya& movies

          because they're underage and/or noguns, even syria era /k/ I'd wager less than 20% of posters actually had guns, that has dramatically dropped over the years.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >never really looked into stery

            id say for americans, steyr boltguns are a weird choice cause they're usually great from the factory but simply have NO aftermarket. I got that THB used on guns.com for basically half-off so i dont mine it being a 'dead-end' sorta gun. i also really like steyr's scroll wheel safety

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >checked
              and that's a good point, don't even know any chassis manufacturers that support them.
              Maybe KRG does I'll check for shiggles.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                im almost glad it has no chassis support because i dont want any temptation to throw more money at this thing. its why i just threw a swfa 10x on it and called it a day, at least until i actually LEARN how to do long range shooting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I loved my SFWA SS 10x, incredible value glass, I've beaten the frick out of mine till it finally broke.
                Took almost 8k 308 rounds, at least 2-3 dozen multi feet drops onto concrete and rocks over 12 years.
                Only thing that broke is the windage turret toob is loose, still held fricking zero. I will NEVER shill for a product but I will say that is probably the best under 1k glass option.
                Totally feel that, reason why I go for tikka instead of sako for builds lmfao.
                Unironically tikka t3 is by FAR the best OEM action and trigger you can get under 1k. Hell I'd wager better than most 1500-1700 bolties.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree fully on the tikka but my swfa fixed 10x had its reticle rotate from a toss onto a soft bed after less than 2 months and seeing ~300 rounds of 6.5 creed. Maybe I got unlucky but I quickly realized I prefer variable power anyways. Running a p2 on top the swfa helped but wasn’t enough. Also was kinda moronic having a dot that costed 2x the main scope.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Also it wasn’t awful but I didn’t really care for the reticle, something about the diamonds irked me

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That seems highly odd you had a reticle rotation from something that trivial, may have gotten a bad scope.
                The mil wouldn't have used them for as long as they did if they weren't robust in that regard.
                To be honest the tech has surpassed them and more cheaper options that are decent have came around the past 5-10 years but hard to pass it up for it's value.
                Same with my Burris XTR III, especially when I got that on a 25% sale.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Swfa chads show these newbies what they're missing

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What an idiot, you are completely ignorant about pressure bearing actions and load capabilities. You stupid filthy casual. Magnum missing hot loads kick ass frick you

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd like to point out that OP, after making ridiculous claims, has not posted a gun he owns, and has not posted his hands. If OP posts timestamped guns and hands, we'll know this isn't a bait thread

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Barrett M82A1 seems kind of light,
    although their web sight lists its weight as being 14.8 kg.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good thing I'm carrying a break action.

    If the picture posted shows a break action rifle, OP is a gay.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FALLING BLOCK CHADS RISE UP

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't need to justify shit, c**t. Frick off noguns

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like 'em. All the justification I need.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bolt action
    Still in use for extreme long range shooting. Learn barrel harmonics and watch the barrel whip videos.
    >pump action
    Because for gas operated shotguns they need to be gas-calibrated for each load type and recoil operated kicks too fast(hard) on different spring loads. A pump/lever shotgun can use all length shotgun loads. You are noguns by not knowing at least this.
    >revolvers
    So what are the women who have a hand grip that can barely fit around the smallest part of a bat supposed to carry? The handles are thin on revolvers.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I swear some variation of this lazy b8 thread gets made at least three times a day now.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pump action 12ga can be had cheaper for a more reliable gun, it’s hard to beat a Mav88. Obviously a benelli m4 or 1301 are better. Novices with pumps can shortstroke and the lack of a gas system causes there to be more felt recoil. Pump actions can also be made lighter (Ithaca 37 featherweight). Bolt actions are also cheaper and can have stronger actions and are also incredibly reliable, and usually lighter. Reliable AR-10s are still not the norm. Revolvers are not confined to having to contain rounds in the grip. You can pull the trigger again if you suffer from a dud round/bad primer on double actions.
    Most manual actions are easier to clean and maintain than semis, although not always. Overall semi autos have really closed the gap but there are still some roles and reasons for these to exist, like hunting. If you would have made this post about lever actions and single action revolvers, I would agree fully they are obsolete.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is literally no justification for you to be a complete and utter homosexual, OP.

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