purely an aesthetic/budget choice on the part of wannabe badasses, similar to choosing a shitty gun because it looks cool or takes more skill in a video game
all of the supposed pros of revolvers, bolt actions, and pump action are pure fudd, like generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"
Uh, hun, sweety, are you uh, like uh, fricking stupid or something? Different actions have different, like uh, pressure ratings, meaning larger caliber rounds with higher propellant loads kind of like, you know, may require a more substantial action in order to not like, blow up when you shoot it, right?
>20mm Lahti
>20mm Anzio
>20mm NTW-20
All semi auto.
Also not as accurate, and they don't need to be for their use.
Sniper rifles remain largely bolt action because of pressure issues, weight, and accuracy.
There is less of a case for revolvers, although tactical revolvers for raids have been made since the 2000s with the premise that they are less likely to jam after being banged on walls and ballistics shields. They never really took off though because the higher capacity and select fire of the smaller machine pistols makes more sense.
SMGs also aren't "obsolete" they are just niche. Armed forces still put out new RFPs for them because they will always do some things better.
Shotguns are also not obsolete. They have a role in breeching, MP work, and law enforcement.
>Shotguns are also not obsolete. They have a role in breeching, MP work, and law enforcement.
Also hunting. Why is it that everybody on /k/ thinks every gun needs to be built specifically for cops& soldiers? Shit's moronic & is an indication of people who don't shoot& get all their information on guns from vidya& movies
What's the case for shotguns on MPs guarding prisoners? I know they still use them a lot.
I was thinking:
>Can switch to less lethal rounds if needed, beanbags, etc.
>No need to worry about armor
>Apparently best CQC accuracy in some British/American test (followed by SMG burst)
>Best one shot lethality
>If a prisoner happens to get one they don't have that much ammunition.
>For the guys up close, and then other guys still have rifles so capacity isn't an issue.
Or is it just because it looks cool?
>Or is it just because it looks cool?
No, dipshit. That is not the reason. It's all the other reasons you listed.
not a practical issue for any 1st world police or military compared to ability to repeat fire especially at long range. Bolt actions are more effective at short range than long range because you don't get follow up shots.
Because when it's too light it's a pain to shoot, who would have thought? I wonder why we don't all adopt full auto pistols, they would be the perfect PDWs and weigh so much less!?!?!
>police or military
Well I'm neither of those things and I happen to just enjoy using revolvers and pump guns. Rage harder newbie
>not a practical issue for any 1st world police or military compared to ability to repeat fire especially at long range. Bolt actions are more effective at short range than long range because you don't get follow up shots.
Then why do almost all of them use bolt-action sniper rifles anyway?
Frick you, I like them. Thats all the justification I need you bird wristed nancyboy homosexual.
>Budget choice
Well yeah, everything's a budget choice. You have less than infinity dollars to spend on any single firearm, will you be spending that budget on accuracy or rate of fire?
1 minute of angle difference is way less of a hindrance than no follow up shots
and the differences we're talking about are generally way less than 1 MOA. The garand had 2 moa accuracy way back in WW2 lol
> The garand had 2 moa accuracy way back in WW2 lol
No they absolutely weren’t. Ammo wasn’t within 2 MOA then
at 1000 yards, 1 MOA is 10 inches - nearly a foot - the difference between a clean hit and a complete miss. This is why snipers use bolt action rifles with high accuracy.
Precision, not accuracy.
Garands were 3 MOA with match ammo, and running the bolt takes a fraction of the time of lining up your next shot. What are you going to be shooting at with the rifle in the OP that you will need to snap off a second shot as fast as possible, assuming you didn't miss the first time? Semi auto is just a cope for bad shooters, at least at 300+ yards.
Bolt actions are cheaper to make then semi-automatics.
If that's true, why are semi auto .22s cheaper than bolt actions with magazines?
someone call desert tech and tell them stahp.
*and stronger
*and more accurate
Try making a sub 1 MOA 338 LM semi-automatic that weighs less than 7 pounds like the picture in your OP
Pro tip: Its not possible
It's about 10lbs with that scope/ bipod.
Now do the math for adding accessories to an equivalent semi-auto.
A SWORD International Mk-18 is 11.8 pounds without a scope and bipod, 12.8 pounds with an empty magazine, it is the lightest semi-auto 338 on the market
Semi autos usually dont weigh more
The mechanical parts do, the only reason bolt actions aren't always lighter is because they typically have heavier stocks than necessary.
Already compared the Christensen Arms MPR to the Mk 18 in this thread
Another comparison between guns built to be light weight:
Q-Fix with 16'' 308 barrel: 6.3 pounds
Sig Cross with 16'' 308 barrel: 6.8 pounds
FN Scar-H with 16'' 7.61x51 barrel: 7.9 pounds
>Christensen Arms
lol normie fudd 'gucci' brand
They need more parts and nearly always will. Post some exceptions
BAIT THREAD BAIT THREAD
explain how I'm wrong fudd
>chamber pressure is expensive
>muh 1-2 lbs weight reduction in exchange for follow up shots
deboonked
Post your semi auto .338 Lapua. Post your .475 wildey
if that were true, with regards to bolt action rifles, no military in the world would field them - in reality, he sturdyness, reliability, and accuracy inherent to an accurized, bedded-stock bolt action is unbeatable for the practical applications of military sharpshooters.
I do precision shooting, and wouldn't dare try doing it with a semi-auto.
Bolt rifles have soul
Go frick yourself. There's nothing wrong with the inherent strength, accuracy, and dependability of bolt guns. It's why they're still the choice of hunters. Have fun shooting off all your ammo
1 semi-auto in .458Lott, please, OP.
oh wait, is it impractical to adapt semi-auto actions to a variety of calibers or something?
it's cheaper
Bolt action is more accurate and likely always will be. We put brand new gucci AR10s up against our old beat to shit Rem 700s and they weren't as accurate. Are they an acceptable level of accuracy? Sure depending on your use. Are they a superior or equal level of accuracy? No, so if accuracy is your primary concern go with a bolty.
Pump actions are for shitty shotgun ammo or ammo pressure variations, and considering most shotgun ammo is shitty it varies greatly in pressure, they're still the only realistic option to shoot every type of ammo. All shotguns should be pump/semi hybrids by now though, the industry is skimping us on that simple technology.
>brand new gucci AR10s
inb4 gucci AR10 mean aero
Revolvers are sick and I can shoot the same .357 in my Smith K frame as my Henry levergun.
You're the same kind of moron who shits up PrepHole with "why do people drive pickups" threads.
Btw why do people ride pickups? They're impractical. A proper truck (especially an off-road truck like GAZ-66 or Pinzgauer) or ordinary jeep would be much better depending on the amount of passengers and cargo load.
> depending on the amount of passengers and cargo load.
Hmmmm so what if you have more passengers or more cargo? Really gets the noggin jogging
funny, is that why the army is ditching the m110 in favor of a bolty boi? its almost like people who use the things know something you dont
>why the army is ditching the m110 in favor of a bolty boi
are they?
>the future is now old man
EOD are trialing it, strictly for the role of shooting IEDs; because M107s are heavy; 7.62 is unreliable at triggering them and static half-buried ordnance doesn't require quick follow up shots. Nobody else has even considered it; you know this well, but you're a seething disingenuous boltcuck so you left all that out.
No they aren't, moron. The M2010 and M107 are on their way out in favor of the Mk22 but the 110 is staying on the MTOE.
>bolt action
sealed chamber and no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto
>pump action
will never have feeding issues due to underpowered shells
>revolvers
actually fair
>actually fair
Wrong
> sealed chamber and no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto
No OP but I’ll argue against this. I hate always going to mud tests, but ARs and other sealed guns do very well. After the first shot a bolt action is going to plug up with mud. The dust (mud) cover makes a huge difference.
That said bolt actions and lever actions will always be quieter with a suppressor. That alone is worth it. A suppressed .22 bolt action is so much fun.
Well that's certainly a point in the favor of the AR as long as you close the dust cover before you accidentally slip in the mud and don't bother to wipe off your bolt action before cycling it.
Dude have you not seen the videos or ARs working fine with the dust cover open?
>no gas port means it will always be more reliable than a semi auto
Also it's easier to clean a bolt action
What about ammo quality? If ammo is wrong, the AR (or AK or any other system) won't cycle.
> What about ammo quality?
Yeah you’re right. No argument from me. I’m just pointing out they aren’t always more reliable
your a no guns child who has no exposure to firearms outside video games and are incredibly stupid and lack any self awareness of that. You have to be 18 to post here
post sniper rifle
>generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"
you realize generals in ww1 deployed water cooled belt fed machine guns you worthless moron?
Tbh that's why M1903 has magazine locking switch. And that's why introduction of Fedorov gun was met with troubles. And that's why Lee Enfield is not meant to be reloaded with magazines.
>generals in WW1 preferring smaller magazine sizes so soldiers "don't waste ammo"
Soldiers were always wasting ammo. In WWI, they were there to absorb artillery and machine gun fire, not shoot other troops. Lrn 2 history.
What raifle is in OP photo? Looks awesome
I own a nugget because I was a 18 year old poorgay before
I own a kar98 because I’m racist and antisemitic
I own a mk13 (waiting on correct receiver) because I must gunsoom
Semi-automatic rifles are less accurate at range than bolt action rifles.
So post your <.5 MOA semi auto then?
Oh wait that’s right you won’t do that
>won’t
*can't
OP doesn't shoot
>there is literally no justification for bolt or pump action or revolvers
The only justification I need is because I want it you dumb Black person, you sound like one of those autistic germans who make a spreadsheet to see how many dicks you suck on a week. And like any other german, God hates you with good reason
anon we already have 5 other posts exactly like yours
Well OP needs to understand the depth of his autism and homosexuality.
Don't care, germans should suffer, any punishment against the german race is a gift from God
You type like a hommosexual
i like sniper rifle
You're a moron.
Post the firearms you own.
>not having multiple guns in different actions for fun
>ignoring benefits of a bolt action design and why it's still used by pretty much every military for marksman rifles
how well do the CF sleeve barrels hold up? I've shot out the barrel on my tikka t3 and need to replace the barrel at some point and it's my hunting rig so light is always interesting to me.
fellow aics chassis appreciator
>CF sleeve barrels
nah steyr just leaves the hammer forge marks on their barrels cause it looks cool
oh thought it was one of them fancy newfangled forged carbon barrels lmfao.
gotcha, never really looked into stery so don't know much about them, love Tikka and Sako though.
based
because they're underage and/or noguns, even syria era /k/ I'd wager less than 20% of posters actually had guns, that has dramatically dropped over the years.
>never really looked into stery
id say for americans, steyr boltguns are a weird choice cause they're usually great from the factory but simply have NO aftermarket. I got that THB used on guns.com for basically half-off so i dont mine it being a 'dead-end' sorta gun. i also really like steyr's scroll wheel safety
>checked
and that's a good point, don't even know any chassis manufacturers that support them.
Maybe KRG does I'll check for shiggles.
im almost glad it has no chassis support because i dont want any temptation to throw more money at this thing. its why i just threw a swfa 10x on it and called it a day, at least until i actually LEARN how to do long range shooting.
I loved my SFWA SS 10x, incredible value glass, I've beaten the frick out of mine till it finally broke.
Took almost 8k 308 rounds, at least 2-3 dozen multi feet drops onto concrete and rocks over 12 years.
Only thing that broke is the windage turret toob is loose, still held fricking zero. I will NEVER shill for a product but I will say that is probably the best under 1k glass option.
Totally feel that, reason why I go for tikka instead of sako for builds lmfao.
Unironically tikka t3 is by FAR the best OEM action and trigger you can get under 1k. Hell I'd wager better than most 1500-1700 bolties.
I agree fully on the tikka but my swfa fixed 10x had its reticle rotate from a toss onto a soft bed after less than 2 months and seeing ~300 rounds of 6.5 creed. Maybe I got unlucky but I quickly realized I prefer variable power anyways. Running a p2 on top the swfa helped but wasn’t enough. Also was kinda moronic having a dot that costed 2x the main scope.
Also it wasn’t awful but I didn’t really care for the reticle, something about the diamonds irked me
That seems highly odd you had a reticle rotation from something that trivial, may have gotten a bad scope.
The mil wouldn't have used them for as long as they did if they weren't robust in that regard.
To be honest the tech has surpassed them and more cheaper options that are decent have came around the past 5-10 years but hard to pass it up for it's value.
Same with my Burris XTR III, especially when I got that on a 25% sale.
Swfa chads show these newbies what they're missing
What an idiot, you are completely ignorant about pressure bearing actions and load capabilities. You stupid filthy casual. Magnum missing hot loads kick ass frick you
I'd like to point out that OP, after making ridiculous claims, has not posted a gun he owns, and has not posted his hands. If OP posts timestamped guns and hands, we'll know this isn't a bait thread
Barrett M82A1 seems kind of light,
although their web sight lists its weight as being 14.8 kg.
Good thing I'm carrying a break action.
If the picture posted shows a break action rifle, OP is a gay.
FALLING BLOCK CHADS RISE UP
I don't need to justify shit, c**t. Frick off noguns
I like 'em. All the justification I need.
>bolt action
Still in use for extreme long range shooting. Learn barrel harmonics and watch the barrel whip videos.
>pump action
Because for gas operated shotguns they need to be gas-calibrated for each load type and recoil operated kicks too fast(hard) on different spring loads. A pump/lever shotgun can use all length shotgun loads. You are noguns by not knowing at least this.
>revolvers
So what are the women who have a hand grip that can barely fit around the smallest part of a bat supposed to carry? The handles are thin on revolvers.
I swear some variation of this lazy b8 thread gets made at least three times a day now.
Pump action 12ga can be had cheaper for a more reliable gun, it’s hard to beat a Mav88. Obviously a benelli m4 or 1301 are better. Novices with pumps can shortstroke and the lack of a gas system causes there to be more felt recoil. Pump actions can also be made lighter (Ithaca 37 featherweight). Bolt actions are also cheaper and can have stronger actions and are also incredibly reliable, and usually lighter. Reliable AR-10s are still not the norm. Revolvers are not confined to having to contain rounds in the grip. You can pull the trigger again if you suffer from a dud round/bad primer on double actions.
Most manual actions are easier to clean and maintain than semis, although not always. Overall semi autos have really closed the gap but there are still some roles and reasons for these to exist, like hunting. If you would have made this post about lever actions and single action revolvers, I would agree fully they are obsolete.
There is literally no justification for you to be a complete and utter homosexual, OP.