From Wolski twatter
>I reconstructed and geolocated the route and losses of one of the two columns of the 47th mechanized brigade. Of course, I also used the work of other OSINT people, but many of the given locations were inaccurate and the place of the destruction of M2 and L2A6 was wrong.
Freeze frames from movies added to the orientation of what was where.
This column had a difficult fate: it was shot by drone-corrected artillery 3x, it defeated 2 groups of mines, and finally, while overcoming the second one, it fell under the fire of Ka-52's Wihr ATGMs and ATGMs as well as artillery.
Really KUDOS to the soldiers of this battalion because they went through hell that day.
P.S. location and slides from the second (west) column will be uploaded later. It's the one whose end was supposedly photoshopped.
Seems correct?
>y drone-corrected artillery
Probably the most useful role of drones rn, everything else is mostly a meme.
We have footage. No KA-52 seems present at all at the last stand and evac.
That's after things have gone to shit, the KA-52 footage is while they're still in a single column.
Can you post/link? Havent seen it yet.
Here's the webm in question. Looking at it at "full" resolution, it looks like a match, with the Bradley up front turned around with ramp down.
And the spam photo for comparison's sake. Looks like the Leopard took it right into the gun mount, which probably disabled it. Strictly speaking, abandooning is a decidedly sub-optimal call if the engine still runs, but I can understand not making the best call in the immediate aftermath of an emotionally significant event like that.
would have been clearer to rotate the bottom image 180deg
I think withdrawing becomes difficult when the rear is blocked off by other vehicles.
>abandooning is a decidedly sub-optimal call if the engine still runs
I'm pretty sure theres another photo where you can see the that Leopard has a track blown off, likely by a mine.
i was pretty sure that the leopard got mobility-killed by a mine rather than a ka-52, because surely a ka-52 would have scored a direct hit on its target
s u r e l y
I really would like to know why they bunched up and stopped there. Trying to evacuate, bringing up Bradleys to pop smoke and cover?
Looks like the missile missed. Flew past the Leopard on the left.
God these Soviet missiles are inaccurate.
As unlikely as it sounds, seems like one of the Bradley guys is on fricking twitter.
https://twitter.com/PanDrukar/status/1668189563901149185
Losing Bradleys is bad, but showing the taxpayers that they can use them properly and maybe getting more thanks to that could be priceless, each bradley in Ukraine looks like a very good investment to ensure russia does not pose as a threat in the future when china chimps out in the pacific and USA needs to focus their resources there.
>God these Soviet missiles are inaccurate.
Ka-52wobble.gif
They are beam riding missiles and the helicopters are so wobbly the beam shakes around all over the place.
Every single cam footage from a Ka-52 would indicate this, they just move all over the place before impact.
The missiles themselves are probably accurate enough, it's the platform firing them with a laser jumping every which way.
Beam riders get less accurate at distance because the missile bounces around the dispersed beam since Russia cannot into PID tuning or something.
moron, its beam rising missile, It looks to the rear for guidance, the laser cone has different frequencies depending on howe far from the center of the cone you measure. This gives the missile directions. As time progresses the cone is made smaller and smaller so that the missile hits pretty accurately. Those misses are just the laser being misaligned with the crosshair on the screen. It's a simple adjustment. Basically it's allowed to wobble so that it can maneuver more early on, then it's wobble is reduced to zero when near the target. It has nothing to do with the helicopter wobbling.
It seems well researched. Just goes to show how challenging these maneuvers are. You can clearly see what the plan was to dislodge the enemy with a two pronged assault. Unfortunately they got whacked.
Still kind of dumb the Ukies did this in broad daylight, when the drones clearly didn’t have thermals
And the Ukrainians have the night equipment, too. Those were Brads and Leo 2A6s, they definitely had the night-fighting capability (and by all accounts the Ukrainians seem to be owning the night better than the Russians so far in this push).
on telegram they said they started at 1am but mineclearing took way longer than thought because the russians put more mines there than there are toilets in their entire nation.
I mean shit I guess I can understand poor intel on the mine situation, but what time did they get hit? And why not make use of MICLICs? They received a decent number of those, if I'm remembering the aid packages right.
they had the soviet type of miclic and i think 2 finish leo2 based ones, but you can't just drive it over the field, you have to keep constant (relatively slow) speed and if the russians learned from the afghans they can put pressure plates ~5m behind the explosives to make the mines trigger beneath the vehicle.
Ever seen Stalker? You don't go in at night
Which part of the front was this again?
Robotyne
what towns was this closest to? trying to see where it falls on the map
I was under the impression this is close to novodarivka but could be wrong
was thinking it was near rivnopil myself
thanks
A lot of people forget also that mineploughs aren't made of an invincible material. Bar mines in the Gulf War were destroying ploughs and the associated vehicles, and there was a fair chunk of materiel loss as well. Ploughs are untested against soviet mines, which have enough explosive force to disable vehicles after up to 3 detonations. Ultimately they have to use MICLICs which is not feasible at the distances they need to cover, or demine by hand under mortar fire, or chew through multiple engineering vehicles.
Not sure. three at the bottom starting from the right don't seem particularly relevant (though that might be just because the icons for units are stacked up if the intent was to show they match what's reported as being there) and the top left image I'm unsure about as well.
he should stop doing russians' job for them
Question, is this area now under Ukranian control? If so, then all these vehicles were towed and are being repaired, no?
who knows? good luck getting reliable info until the counteroffensive comms blackout ends
As far as it knows it's grey zone or Russia controlled but who knows.
It's not in the same area where the Ukrainians already won some villages.
There was video footage of their recovery and repair, yes.
You know the germans still got it when the tanks can take that much shit and still protect the crew
This is ukrainian rear for 4+ days now.
So much fo "failed" offensive.
>Really KUDOS to the soldiers of this battalion because they went through hell that day.
For driving into a minefield then running away?
hahahahahahhahahaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
>wolski
you have to go back to wykop pl
>KUDOS
Was that the whole point of all this? A KUDOS from some anonymous /k/ope poster?
As annoying as the spam was, this breakdown of the incident is pretty cool anon. Good job to ruskies for actually putting together a competent defense and good job to ukies for getting most of their guys out of what was turning into a disaster.
Seems perilous moving into an assault parallel to the enemy lines.
I belive after initial loses remaining vehicles decided to join the middle push because they could not get a breakthrough alone.
Honestly pretty impressive. Modern technology is amazing.
Kudos and S to spit on their graves
Most of them successfully evacuated though?
Anon I just wanted to be mean on the internet, let me be
"no!"
quite a few made it out
https://twitter.com/PanDrukar/status/1668189563901149185
looks like the ukies will be sent more to make up for this