>The US Navy's strategic submarines (SSBNs) carry roughly 70% of our nuclear arsenal, making them the strongest branch of the nuclear triad.

>The US Navy's strategic submarines (SSBNs) carry roughly 70% of our nuclear arsenal, making them the strongest branch of the nuclear triad. One SSBN carries enough firepower to make just one vessel the sixth most powerful nuclear power in the world.

Does anyone really need that much power?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does anyone really need that much power?
    it's more like holding a really really really big grenade. one you can throw, if things really go FUBAR and you gotta...

    but if anyone's alive on the other end after you do, they won't be letting you surface for the remainder of your natural life

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they won't be letting you surface for the remainder of your natural life
      Explain what they could possibly do to a submarine 500 miles out at sea. After getting nuked no less.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chinese A2/AD projects farther ahead than 500 miles. any sub getting that close is moronic and will be picked up by their sonar net.
        Chinese attack sub will surely have her shadowed and will open fire as soon as she hears the tubes getting flooded prior to slbm launch.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Chinese A2/AD projects farther ahead than 500 miles
          lol

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fish somewhere else chang

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nuclear depth charges?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    to create a MAD scenario for other nuclear powers, yes. you absolutely want your potential enemy to know that even a tiny handful of these subs surviving his first strike guarantees his destruction as well

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MAD
      reddit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MAD continues to keep the peace. Are you offended? MAD has no connection to reddit and long predates the internet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          US gave up on MAD in the naughties under Reagan

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            does it take a great deal of effort to be this dumb or does it come naturally to you?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes because even if a hostile country somehow gets lucky and wipes out 90% of our nuke boats and all our land based nukes they would still get their shit glasses anyway.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do something about it pussy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >builds neutrino detector
      >sinks your ssbn fleet

      Sorry, we didn't know they were supposed to be undetectable kekeke

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        frick do neutrinos have to do with anything

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.wired.com/story/neutrino-detectors-could-be-used-to-spot-nuclear-rogues/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >could
            >theoretically
            >all involved are USN guys
            uh huh

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They showed that a neutrino detector could operate inside a research reactor building.
            >Watchman—a giant cylinder 50 feet tall and 50 feet across, filled with gadolinium-doped water—will, pending final approval, live at Boulby Underground Laboratory in England, more than a kilometer below Earth’s surface. Intended to be completed in 2023, it will watch for ghost signals from the Hartlepool nuclear plant, about 15 miles away.

            You'll never build a mobile neutrino detector sensitive enough to find nuclear subs hiding in the ocean.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For now
              The UK seems to be trying by the looks of it. Weird.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For now
              The UK seems to be trying by the looks of it. Weird.

              4/5ths of the funding for that detector is from the USA. UK is on the antipode for the Pacific, and can be used to triangulate for the middleeast alongside the Japanese and US detector, so it makes sense to have it in Yorkshire.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2 more weeks and submarines become obsolete brown sisters!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude neutrino detectors struggle to detect supernovas

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is the worlds most absolute deterrent. Even we couldn't guarantee taking out our own SSBN fleet, meaning there is no conceivable scenario in which the US does not retain second strike capability.

    It's not about how hard you need to hit, it's about having such a high certainty of being able to deal a death blow under any circumstance that you never need to hit anyone at all.

    The other arms of the nuclear triad at this point exist largely just to appease congressmen and keep the branches from infighting too much.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ehhh forcing any opponent to spread their targets out to areas that host the other arms of the triad rather than go after populated areas is likely well worth the cost in a hypothetical war.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >targets out to areas that host the other arms of the triad
        You mean Pacific ocean?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, the point is to have silos in the middle of fricking nowhere so the enemy is forced to nuke North Dakota to try and prevent their launch instead of dropping them somewhere people live.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, the point is to have silos in the middle of fricking nowhere so the enemy is forced to nuke North Dakota to try and prevent their launch instead of dropping them somewhere people live.

        Russian ICBMs and SLBMs even before 2022 were known to be dramatically less accurate compared to their American counterparts. In any situation other than a surprise attack on NATO (i.e. where they get to decide where and how to initiate hostilities, potentially leaving population centers out to have a better position at the negotiating table), they're going to target the population centers because that's what they know for certain they can reliably hit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds almost exactly like what we see in Ukraine where they go after the cities because they can't kit a target less than several miles wide.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why yes, I guess it's a given even a conventional attack against NATO should be answered with attacks against ruddian cities, there should be at least a hundred ICBM pointed respectively at Moscum and Pidorgrad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China already developed tech fully countering submarines: satellite based green laser lidar + hypersonic missiles+ super cavitating warheads.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doubt

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah, well.. USA developed Liberty Prime! And it can fly at light speed and throws football nukes. Try wrapping your chopsticks around that, Lo Pan.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        implessive

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aiyah, it full of watel so it countel submaline lah!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's cool, unfortunately the US has trained a cadre of wizards capable of casting 9th level spells including Timestop, which grants them 1d4+1 turns in which they can use Magic Missile (upcasted of course) to destroy all Chinese satellites without allowing reactions or legendary actions.
        Sorry!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Power Word Implessive

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Frick you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lockheed Martin had developed some kind of temporal arrestor technology.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's just spaced armor with the area between the platings being quantumly locked such that energy can't be transmitted through the armor gap, since we lack non-energy based weapons (and by non-energy i mean an attack that doesn't work by transmitting energy through a medium) this effectively means that under the outer armor shell is effectively impervious to damage. In theory.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I recently tried to play "Oblivion" and all that crap was such a turn-off. I was expecting something more like Tomb Raider.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US has gamma ray lasers in space, they don't even need nukes anymore, let's see you one up that kiddo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, I don't think they are actually in space...but a ground station to hit a target in the ionosphere, sure

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sattelites
        what's the launch rate between all nations combined versus the United States

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Implessive.

        With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They also have a peacetime military that hasn’t fought a war in 45 years, and when they did, the Vietnamese fought them to a standstill and they failed to achieve their strategic objectives.
        That, combined with their culture of ‘saving face’ means that I doubt they would actually be able to counter our subs with their newest wonder weapons- if they even exist in real life on not just on paper.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ok but america has had hypersonic missiles for some time now. why does china consider them some secret tech?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have they shown that they can feasibly strike and destroy a submerged vessel on the other side of the planet with near 100% accuracy?
        Because they not only need to do that, they need to do that to 22 subs (14 US, 4 UK, 4 France) nearly simultaneously to prevent a launch.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          since when does the US have 14 SSBNs?
          since when are all of them at sea at the same time?
          since when do those attacks need to be simultaneously? will all subs surface at the same time to receive instructions?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >since when does the US have 14 SSBNs?
            Since a few years ago?
            >since when are all of them at sea at the same time?
            That's classified. We don't know
            >since when do those attacks need to be simultaneously?
            Because if China destroys a few, the US will know China is trying to knock out it's SSBN capabilities. It will all but guarantee a counterattack.
            >will all subs surface at the same time to receive instructions?
            Lmao, they don't need to surface to receive instructions. ELF can reach operating depths.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          22 subs isn't all that many honestly. All it takes is the right conditions and you can get most of them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well yeah, but when they exist to lob ICBMs, you're probably never going to see them all in one place.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well no, but given enough automated robot sensors you can probably give it enough of a shot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Implessive

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        TRULY MOST IMPLESSIVE!
        CHINA NUMBA ONE!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Extremely Implessive!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's weapons does China have that can target submarines simultaneously in both the middle of the pacific and indian ocean without allowing either to reduce Beijing to slag.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >lidar
        >from space
        Blessed moron

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >China already developed tech fully countering submarines: satellite based green laser lidar + hypersonic missiles+ super cavitating warheads.
        Implessive!
        >green laser lidar
        It is very important that the LIDAR Lazer be green.
        Everyone knows that Red Lazers the West makes are stupid and don't work as well a green lazers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Everyone knows that Red Lazers the West makes are stupid and don't work as well a green lazers.
          >not bloo

          yngmi

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "Green lasers" were an ASW meme all the way back in the early '80s. They've been the doom of submarines for decades, and yet somehow they've never entered service with anyone.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's not how the real world works.
            Soviets installed SOKS in their subs in the 60s. CIA only declassified that like a decade ago.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As implesive as sinofarm I guess?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, so we can keep your brown ass in line.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thank you for the input cpl. manriquez

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2 more weeks and submarines become obsolete brown sisters!

      is this a new cccp cope? Brown people don't have shit on the US. It's Chang that lives in fear

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It ain't called the bill of needs motherfricker

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this board is fricking dead the first 3 posts should have been this and
      >need

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >does anyone really sneed
    SHALL

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Le ebin posts about if MAD occured
    This is just another scam of taxpayer dollars by military industrial complex, sweaties

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SSBNs are all counter value assets. Land silos are mostly for counter force. Air leg is really just for niche escalation situations. Counter value is the main "frick you and all your gay friends" path and what the USA leans toward in a nuclear exchange, believing a limited exchange is unlikely so it makes sense the subs are jacked

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what the USA leans toward in a nuclear exchange
      Nope, the US is focused on counter-force. The frogs are all for counter-value and nuclear warning shots, which is unfathomably based.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >niche escalation situations
      Not really, depending on how the satcom network is up/how disrupted HF is the air arm could perform strikes on targets that weren't hit properly by previous naval/land strikes, or new targets that pop up. Dropping nukes on a hypothetical still-existent 1st GTA attempting to force its way into Poland, as well as all of its previously not hit supply depots and assembly points inside Russia.

      Sounds almost exactly like what we see in Ukraine where they go after the cities because they can't kit a target less than several miles wide.

      At the start of the war they didn't miss, they hit the wrong targets, which is a failure of their intelligence and kill chain more than their weapons. But yes the moment they busted out the Soviet era anti-carrier-group missiles that have a nominal CEP of "idk somewhere in the middle of those 6 radar returns" ON WATER, precision went out the window you're right.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >At the start of the war they didn't miss
        >30% hit rate on a fricking airfield
        That's a miss by western standards.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm referring to the precision hits on empty Ukrainian barracks and shit the first 3 days of the war. They were running down a target list without actually verifying they were in use or relevant.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They were running down a target list without actually verifying they were in use or relevant.
            subs have the same problem

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Difference is those subs are using nuclear weapons, not conventional warheads

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think the Chinese are able to relocate a city in the middle of the night.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                xaxaxaxa crafty potemkin style town can be maneuvered in any tactical work

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tridents have a CEP of 90 meters

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trident was always accurate enough to deal with counterforce targets that weren't hardened, of which there are plenty. With the introduction of the new "super-fuze", their effective CEP is even smaller than their notional CEP, because the warhead can go off as it passes over the top of the target instead of missing by a few dozen yards or more. This makes them viable against hardened targets like missile silos and nuclear bunkers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >counterforce targets that weren't hardened
        Trident I was already designed to attack hardened targets, Trident II is the absolute cream of the crop in terms of destroying hardened targets, along with the retired MX.

        Unhardened targets could be attacked even with Polaris missiles. If the navy wasn't gimped by macnamara's bullshit they could've put the 1mt warhead on Poseidon for counterforce back in the early 70s.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Counter value is the main "frick you and all your gay friends" path and what the USA leans toward in a nuclear exchange,
      moron.

      The USA wants to survive a possible nuclear exchange with their economy as intact as possible. That requires preventing the enemy from doing counter-value.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    G-guys, w-what if some mad captain and his crew decided to steal one of these submarines and threaten Washington D.C. with megalomaniac demands, and only one retired ex-navy seal commando now working as a police officer, who once served under the captain's order, could infiltrate the ship and stop it, but to do it he would have to face his past demons, making the old FBI agent tasked with recruiting him have to threaten the ex-commando, but he could have a chance to redeem himself by acting when congress tries to cancel the mission half-way through?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't just steal a nuke anything and be able to use it unless you are the President of United States. It's literally hard coded to only work if you input specific data and do specific things to it, that are always delegated to multiple people, usually with no connection to each other. You don't aim it, you only have target A, B, C, D, etc. that you don't know anything about, you can't arm it without a set of keys and codes that can only come from high command and you can't fire it withoutactive participation of several people.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sure, anon.
        first-strike destroys NC2. so no EAM.
        following your logic, boomers can't retaliate in that case.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They actually have backups for that, both satelites, aircraft, hydrophones and radio towers transmitting the warning signal to tell help the sub determine what's happening.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You don't just steal a nuke anything and be able to use it unless you are the President of United States.
        A rogue Biden threatens to nuke all the malarkey in Washington, and one retired ex-Presidential candidate now working as a guacamole merchant could infiltrate the ship to stop it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >THIS SUMMER
          >SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the power to fire a nuclear warhead was given to a pedophile senile senior citizen
        The more you think about it the worse it gets.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the power ultimately stems from the American people, who are mostly moronic
          yeah it's not looking great

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you can't fire it withoutactive participation of several people.
        Try several dozen people. The remarkable thing is that they can have the spicy meatball in the air from silos in about 5 minutes, 15 for the boomers
        >President did choose to respond with a nuclear attack,he would identify himself to military officials at the Pentagon with codes unique to him. These codes are recorded on an ID card, known as the “biscuit,” that the President carries at all times. Once identified, he would transmit the launch order to the Pentagon and STRATCOM. The Secretary of Defense would possibly contribute

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          irrelevant.
          boomers have no pal.
          boomers need no "launch codes" to launch.
          the CO can just launch nukes.
          there literally was a movie about this, Crimson Tide, that had boomer COs as advisors.
          US Navy's reaction to that was telling, arguing the crew would rebel when the CO would try to pull that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wow, le movies said it so it must be true!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the movie made it a big public debate.
              the US Navy's reaction is what makes it true.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is a certain segment of society that doesn't like to read or check sources. They really enjoy exercise, like some light running, and are often described as potentially succesful medical students in the future as well as extremely attentive to churchgoing and their family.
            that's you. you're one of them

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >15 for the boomers
          only actually true for the two boomers that are currently on deterrent patrol in the pacific (for china) or the other two in the atlantic (for russia)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            2/3rds of US boomers are usually on patrol at all times, not 4.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              more like 1/2 and they are on patrol but not strategic deterrent patrols in the pacific or atlantic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not strategic deterrent patrols in the pacific or atlantic
                What patrols do you think SSBNs do, anon? Trident D5 has longer range than the Minuteman.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                literally says there that it supports CENTCOM

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does this have to do with carrying nuclear missiles out in the ocean?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                she's occupied retrieving her seals and won't be able to launch slbms immediately

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                says who, your ass?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SLBM would have priority over mere SEAL lives of nil military value the moment launch orders are sent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                those orders won't arrive. sub won't have her antenna out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can hit the Forbidden city from Huston. You can have one submarine parked in Madagascar and the other Park in New Zealand and either of them could take out China.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>15 for the boomers
            >only actually true for the two boomers
            oh wow super bumed to earn the US can only launch 40 nuclear ICBMs equaling 320 Hiroshimas in fifteen minutes instead of 400, that's totally weaksauce China has already won multipolar world war I am demor pls slide this thread Taylor swift is homosex trans proganda

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >15 for the boomers
          wrong, that's assuming TACAMO planes are in the air which isn't often after the CW ended

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't there some nuclear asset that had a debug code of 12345 or some shit that was never changed?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Minuteman silos used 00000. 12345 is the combination an idiot would use on his luggage.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is the combination an idiot would use on his luggage.
            Can confirm.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would anyone want to go a Nuke rate in the Navy? You learn about all these fun toys and you never get to use them. And if you were ordered to use them, it means Earth is fricked.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was stationed on an Ohio class. A few Missile Techs I know went on to get jobs in the aerospace sector

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Congrats bro. I wish you got to use them o/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And if you were ordered to use them, it means Earth is fricked.
      Not your problem.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NEED

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does anyone really need that much power?
    Anon this is a fraction of our former power. We'd probably downsize even more but we don't trust the Russians too, and the Chinese are scaling UP not DOWN.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >have no ship-building capacity anymore
      >waste the little you have on boomers that have no use in conventional conflicts

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Conventional conflicts as they are known are coming to an end. Nations will have to deal with overwhelming electronic warfare, then AI, and then and whoever controls the spectrum can deploy the killbots. Those who can contest the killbots have to deal with optical weaponry at the horizon. Those who can contest that, now find themselves facing hypersonics and low altitude cruise missiles. Those who can contest that will find a conventional military and special forces the likes of which there is no equal. Finally, there is the nuclear response.

        The rest of the world, combined, even in perfect lockstep with no infighting does not have the industrial or military means to defeat the US. The US can afford boomers. The real question is why other nations waste their precious resources on a military as they attempt to feign sovereignty while suckling at the teat of the US, while trying to sabotage it from within.

        The US overwhelmingly funds the UN, NATO, and a tremendous amount of foreign and military aid.

        It does this while under constant industrial and political attacks, experiencing 5th gen warfare against it's civilian population, and doesn't really break stride.

        Eventually though, you goobers are gonna piss off the US, and man, its gonna be a show. I wonder if there will be enough time to b***h about fairness before the opfor is added to the atmospheric particulate count.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you're squatting in the ashes of a dead empire consoling yourself with your great power as everything crumbles around you.

          you are unironically doing the same thing the argies did before the falklands war and the same thing that the russians are doing now: sure, everything is going to shit, but at least military stronk hurr hurr hurr.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            now post the same stats by race

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              lmao how that changed anything 52%er?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                funny how you evade the question instead of posting the data

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            One wonders what happened in 2020, oh right, I would tell you to post third world countries stats such as China stats but when your own government has to disappear their military higher ups because they were lying and stealing from (you) it's easy to infer your data is more fake than chinese construction quality control.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ships and subs don't generally eat each other's production capacity, just budget. The Columbias will affect Virginia production far more than they will affect anything else, and even then, they'll lead to new tech for late-model VAs and their follow-on class.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ships and subs don't generally eat each other's production capacity
          they do

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            EB is doing most of the work on the Columbias, including all final assembly work. NN is in a purely supporting role.

            As for the VAs, I may be mistaken, but I don't believe that they are constructed in indoor facilities that aren't used to produce surface ships. So, they're not tying up valuable drydock space.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's what I get for deleting and re-phrasing half the sentence rather than nuking it all and starting over. Scratch the "don't".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. If anything, we need more. Much more. Humanity strives to endlessly go further, faster, better. We need antimatter weaponry, and we need it yesterday.

      So you're fine with the US government having the power to wipe out a significant portion of all life on Earth? For the sake of not having to?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For the sake of ensuring Earth will never be ruled by chinese communists.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Power naturally consolidates. It is the nature of an entity to be changed by power.

        We have a very good understanding of what the US does when it holds all the cards. Its cruel, and callous, but often pragmatic.

        We also have a very good understanding of what other cultures, and the word cultures is used over nations, because it is a cultural thing, when they have power. That said lets just use nations as the standin.

        England- Oh we all fricking know. See the current situation due to the polar opposite of France, a desperate love and adoration of authority.
        France- see Africa. See France's cycle of self destruction due to a desperate need to exercise oppositional defiance and indifference to the macro events around them at the individual and cultural level.
        Spaintugalreeceurkey- See south America. Cultural avarice and "I've got mine" attitude.
        Belgium and any funny northern European nations- See Africa when unchained, and see isolationism and a lack of tending the global garden when not. Doesn't understand middle grounds. Genetic autism.
        China- See China. Also see Africa. See the entire history. Do you want that?
        Russia- ...
        USA- See the modern world, because we vassalized it and gave everyone the illusion of choice by letting them rule of their own little shitty kingdoms.

        Is the US a perfect choice, or even a nice choice? No. No it is not. But go found your own Rome, fight those battles, get those hands dirty, and make those deals, then show us your dream when it is done being fed through the grinder.

        You aren't free. A single nation can wipe off everyone other one on the planet, and even that nation's people aren't free, most of them live miserably, but, for now, its the best option we have until the power structure that organized the show collapses.

        https://i.imgur.com/lqCPf1r.jpg

        you're squatting in the ashes of a dead empire consoling yourself with your great power as everything crumbles around you.

        you are unironically doing the same thing the argies did before the falklands war and the same thing that the russians are doing now: sure, everything is going to shit, but at least military stronk hurr hurr hurr.

        you speak English, using the internet, arguing with someone half way across the world, thinking about American things, and geopolitics in a very American way. We won, and you're welcome.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you speak English
          and where are the English now?

          maybe america isn't dead, but it's sick. only a fool would be complacent.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fully agreed.

            The US has been under a generations long attack by degradation and erosion from the inside, by something that started off as one thing but has gained a life of its own. This cancer...culture...has used the US as it's mechanism of action to spread, but there is an ongoing effort to resolve it; arguably and more importantly, an increasing awareness by the general population that the situation we live in is not an innocent happenstance, or organic, but carefully cultivated and tended to, that we suffer not by accident, but by design.

            In this it goes beyond petty nation states, beyond the word globalism. We are a global community, and this conflict has united us in that we are all present at every level. Regardless of voluntary participation or not.

            It's good to see you awake, Anon. there will be many distractions, emotional, political, otherwise, things to enrage and befuddle, exhaust everyone. There will be calls to "action" to get people to make missteps towards violence, to get them to serve as punished examples, using a corrupt court system that seems to be lockstep globally, regardless of nation. Be aware of your constraints, sometimes the best action you have available is just like the US existing, not ideal, but most pragmatic to the situation. Be a node. Be aware, inform with intelligence. Know what "fights" are worth it, and what ones aren't. Live.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I would like to add every generation had its share of fools, be it punks, hippies, beats and so on, the only reason it looks worse is due internet and online polls, so even if one literal moron post pics of his new karen makeup it lools like the bug thing, the likes of CCP, Putin, Hamas, the Islamic Republic and so on know they neither can win in a real total war or offer their people as much as the West, hence their media control and subversion, we are literally discussing here with a guy who could be tortured by their own police for saying the wrong things about Jinping and has to run a clown show to get a roof, someone who will be machine gunned with military degree ammunition if he ever dares to protest and who would have to let his own child get murdered if someone at the Party decides to apply the brand new demographic solution.

              And the funniest part? He got wienery because plasticware production ordered by the West gave his country enough cash to let him have internet and an electronic device and his government a cargo cult MIC.

              Damn, no wonder why they had to put a fence at their factories or try to migrate, if I were to think about it I would rather attempt to flee too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its a complicated thing. And yeah. I try not to crow too hard at what is factually American exceptionalism. If we rest on our laurels its gone.

                The US is amazing because of a lot of....unsaid...history. The US as it stands now is a consolidation point for a lot of global power. A golem available to the people who pull the strings at the levels above public government, and in this era, we can actually see it in real time. They are desperate, and making moves to confuse, befuddle, or otherwise subvert the will of the people. Their biggest goal is to go after our children, to convince them that their ideas will be the child's ideas. That the parents and grandparents are wrong, obsolete, old fashioned, or perhaps unfair.

                The enemy knows us well. Knows humans well. This process has been ongoing for a long time, a very long time. We hear hints of it but usually by the time someone is aware, they are considered "old", not worth hearing. The enemy has an unbroken chain of family, grooming, and apprenticing to carry on their power structure. The parasite class. They compete with one another at their level, but also ensure that the common people are blind, stupid, useful, and short lived.

                All the agency names and faces we are allowed to see are ablative power structures to fixate on, rather than the root causes and true enablers. This is because the "faces" act, and cause real problems, emotional problems, and ensure we are distracted and polarized. That we focus on hating "bugmen, pajeet, whatever gers* of the day".

                And to a degree, we must fight the enemy in front of us, because they will kill us before the enemy ABOVE us. That said, the enemy in front of us will forever exist, so you must be able to comprehend, balance, and manage a conflict on two or more fronts.

                People conform to the constraints of their environment.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >England
          You are not from the first world. Please leave our board.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's worked nicely so far. Compared to the benign US even at its worst the rest of the world, especially Russia and China by body counts, are utter savages.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it did not work nicely:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_close_calls

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Understanding that someone has a weapon and can be dangerous is part of a system of trust. It has worked quite nicely. That someone was provoked enough to draw the weapon indicates that they will indeed use it, further creating mutual understanding of trust, not in each other, but trust of behavior. Finally, that the weapon was not used when the agitating situation was resolved, fully indicates that the actors/ belligerents are rational and value de-escalation over conflict.

            Your opinion on human civility, is a non issue. Civil niceties do not influence military actions.

            That you cannot delineate that, and reach for a thinly veiled and obvious argument for disarmament before we are a unified species indicates that you are not; and will not be a part of the defense sphere. Enduring unification must come before disarmament.

            That you want it is sensible, kindly even, but you do not speak for the masses, and your lack of environment shaping power and resources indicates you do not understand what it would take to get there.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. If anything, we need more. Much more. Humanity strives to endlessly go further, faster, better. We need antimatter weaponry, and we need it yesterday.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should make a roulette wheel with all the major cities and take bets on which comes up before firing on them.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes for when the mothers hip inevitably breaks free of its prison within the moon, and descends on on our planet wreak chaos

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does anyone really need that much power?
    Yes, frick China.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Redundancy, my homie.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Sarmat
    >gain of function oopsies out of Wuhan

    Is water wet?

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does anyone really need that much power?
    The only reason that we've not had nuclear exchanges this far, is precisely because everyone has enough nukes to KO the other party. Nuclear disarmament is the dumbest ducking idea if you want to avoid nuclear conflict.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, chinks and puccians still exist.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does anyone really need that much power?
    It's not about if they need.
    It's about if they can.

    A single one of the submarines can anihilate and glass all the major cities an entire country like China or Russia.
    It is needed in the sense that as long as at least one of these subs exists and is operational, it's impossible for the USA not have the ability of mutually assured destruction.

    Nuclear Subs are the trump card of he nuclear triad.
    It's almost impossible to find all of them and destroy all of them at the same time.
    This makes MAD an inevitability.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's not that hard to find them:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_incident_off_Kildin_Island
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_incident_off_Kola_Peninsula

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does anyone really need that much power?
    >need

    SHALL

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