But for what purpose?
What value do 81 old Soviet-era air frames, an apparent mix of MiG-31 interceptors, MiG-27 fighter bombers, MiG-29 fighters, and Su-24 bombers, have to the United States, and how will these weapons most likely be utilized in the future?
the complete and total destruction of women
Borat is that u
I have an earlier screencap
>jpg
plz frick off
What song?
Killer Moon
she is actually a weird creature a myanmar-kazakh and yes it is a she and yes i was down bad back then
knows russian kazakh burmese and english very hi IQ
>she is actually a weird creature a myanmar-kazakh
Post a pic?
Yeah, I read her thread too on that vid. Very bizarre. If anybody here lived in Almaty, they could figure out who she was easily. Can't be many autistic Burmese girls running around there.
Who are you talking about
current practice targets got boring so we want to use the real things for our pilots.
I wouldn't worry about it
unless you are Russian, then I'd like to inform you that these planes will be transferred to Ukraine and used to do God's work killing Russians.
Too bad they are literally spare parts
>the US now has MiG-31s
oh no no no no flightbros are we about to get eternaled
salvaged for parts, they were like 20k a piece and noted to be entirely inoperable before they were auctioned
what good are MiG-31 parts to anybody outside of Russia and Kazakhstan, the only two countries that ever operated them?
this is probably for intel
intel of what?
MiG-31 systems
there's no other reason to get MiG-31s, nobody else operates them and they're not gonna fricking start now. you'd have to develop a supply chain from the ground up to support them as well as train pilots and crews on an entirely new and unfamiliar airframe.
>MiG-31 systems
The US has known literally everything about those for decades, moron.
>Intel on 3 plus decades old gear
homie they are refurb parts and frames
>refurb parts and frames
ON PLANES NOBODY USES? LEARN TO READ YOU FRICKING IDIOT
the only way they could be "for refurb parts" is "for denying refurb parts to russia". which is another likely explanation but 100% not what your 90IQ ass thought because you still can't seem to grasp the fact that nobody else can do jack shit with non-functional MiG-31s. Even a fully operational one falling into Ukraine's lap wouldn't do them any good because of the lack of any supply chains to support them.
>Nobody uses MiG 27, 29, or Su 24s
I can think of quite a few that do
>Muh 31s
Its just part of the bid and would you look at that it's based off of and designed from the 25, and I wonder who uses those https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
Are you being moronic on purpose? There's multiple models
>what is threat analysis
The absolute state of zoomer /k/.
Negotiations are easier if you buy the useless trash too.
>mig-31 examples
>useless trash
The US has never had their hands on any. Refer to
FFS the underage historically illiterate morons shitting up this board.
The US doesn't need 81 frames for systems intel. They would only need one, maybe two. I can smell your midwit basement dwelling B.O. from here
They are not flyable you fricking moron
It's 81 less planes the Russians can cannibalize for spare parts.
It's 81 fewer
>this is probably for intel
>81 planes
>80's tech
Holy shit you're beyond moronic.
>this is probably for intel
It's probably more to deny other countries from getting them either for intel purposes or bought for Russia through third parties
The US bought Moldova's MiG-29s to stop Iran and North Korea using them for parts
Stops Russia from getting much needed replacement parts
>Russia and Kazakhstan, the only two countries that ever operated them?
homie, half of SU operated them
Well, Mig-25, but it's same shit
>what good are MiG-31 parts to anybody outside of Russia and Kazakhstan
Depriving Russia of the spare parts it can't manufacture with literally only Boomers and some Gen X that didn't have the sense to ply their wares abroad as the laborer and brains to possibly jerryrig new production/refurbs.
>Depriving Russia of the spare parts it can't manufacture
The spare parts that Russia could build when it was, *check notes*, a communist country in the 1970, and it can't somehow build now that it's a modernized economy trading with China?
If the tooling and machinery from the 1970s is gone then no $400 lathe from Aliexpress is going to replace it. Hence why the USSR was able to produce 40 Tu-160s between 1984-1992 while it took Russia from 2001 to 2017 to finish a single Tu-160 from an unfinished air frame.
Even in countries with less fricked industry, it can be an absolute fricking nightmare to try and spin up production when full supply chains are defunct. You don't just need the plane factory, you need every factory that leads up to the plane factory. It takes time and money to work out and verify modern replacements, and even more time and money to figure out new production for things that don't have viable modern replacements.
They lost a massive amount of production capacity, resources and brains when Soviet Union collapsed, and they’re not even remotely as self-reliant as they used to be in commie days. Advanced technology doesn’t completely offset that, and I’d argue that being ”modernized economy” (if you want to call Russia one) doesn’t actually benefit their weapons industry, because it was one of those things that worked well even in Soviet times.
How many Su-27 derived aircraft does Russia deliver every year again?
Compare that to what they produced in the 80s.
peak Dunning-Kruger
>*checks notes*
holy reddit
>The spare parts that the USSR could build when it was, *check notes*, a communist country in the 1970, and it can't somehow build now that it's just Russia a post communist dictatorship barely trading with China?
>modernized economy
*checks notes*
Yes, that's correct. They can't.
>it's a modernized economy
lmao. It's a shitty-ass petro-state that gutted it's own industrial capabilities in the 90's, and has put little to no money in developing any sector of it's economy outside of raw resource extraction. They're struggling to just refurbish their poorly maintained fleet of armored vehicles, and can't really produce new ones. The only thing they can do is buy dilapidated jets to cannibalize them for parts, and considering how Kazakhstan is one of the only other countries that actually has this particular plane (afaik, the chinks don't have any) they're the only ones the russians could even buy them from.
it seems that um, *checks notes* you're a fricking homosexual and have to go back
Can you please tell us how many new tank hulls has Russia produced in the last 30 years?
>now that it's a decayed third world resource extraction economy
FTFY
You're not wrong but anon was clearly taking vatnik's words at face value for the purposes of mockery.
>what good are MiG-31 parts to anybody outside of Russia
Now you're starting to get it!
*checks notes*
Yep. Seems it's actually 2024 and the USSR lost all of its manufacturing abilities in Poland and Ukraine along with what was called the great brain drain.
I remember that video. Funny how that shit probably seems like a luxury to the mobiks now. Good laughs, good times. If you had told me they would be using golf carts on the front line in a year I don't think I would have believed it.
>outside of Russia
the entire point. russia cant get them.
>what's the point?
Too lazy to fight a war? Just buy all the enemy's weapons lmao
>When dragons belch and hippos flee
>My thoughts, Ankh-Morpork, are of thee
>Let others boast of martial dash
>For we have boldly fought with cash
>We own all your helmets, we own all your shoes
>We own all your generals - touch us and you'll lose.
-excerpt from "we can rule you wholesale", the national anthem of Ankh-Morpork
>claimed to be inoperable, only good for parts, provided at pricing indicating as much
Yeah, Poland also did that. "Parts".
Don't get me wrong, they probably are just going to be parted out (this is a poor post-Soviet state after all), but you can't really take a country's word at face value for these things.
Especially a country that Russia tried/is trying to foment LPR/DPR-style separatist moments within their northern oblasts.
probably to prevent them from being salvaged for parts by Russia
For Ukraine obviously dumbfrick they're familiar with those planes
>they're familiar with those planes
they're not familiar with MiG-31s
> not familiar with MiG-31s
they had 80 mig-25s
>speak russian
>print manual from warthunder forums
>lrn2fly
Ez
Refurb parts, possibly bought to deny selling the planes to Russians for use as parts
>possibly bought to deny selling the planes to Russians for use as parts
I think this is the most reasonable explanation. The Ukrainians don't use the MiG-31, the Americans don't need intel on it, or at least nothing that can be gleamed from non-functional planes, so denying the Russians parts seems the only option left.
Ukrainians can use MiG-31's as dummy targets to waste Russian missiles
Does Ukraine even have 81 breathing pilots left?
No. The last Ukrainian solider died two weeks ago.
they want to park them in the eastern poland forests and fields near the border for the lulz
At the very least it keeps Russia from getting them.
Depending on condition I'd add Iran into that.
Forget Cessnas, Ukraine can turn them into flying bomb carrying bombs.
if this shit can fly it wouldn't cost 20k a piece
>Replaces the engines with F404s
Some egghead wants them.
t. egghead
If they were really 20k a pop that's only 1.5M, that's barely an email. People are writing news articles about some intern's project.
the buyer is as suspect as the price.
assuming they're only good for part examination and canalization, that's still more value then what is declared.
*cannibalization
Should be noted that it was a bulk offer of 2.26mil for all 117 jets, the US bought 81 of them so a cost of 1.6 mil or so.
American goodwill can't be itemized on the invoice, but when you live next door to Russia it's worth more than $20mil.
Entire aircrafts with electronics and radar or just parts/airframes?
unclear, but the original October offer noted that all 117 aircraft were not in operable condition, and being sold due to their modernization and maintenance being economically infeasible.
Seems insane that russia didn't do anything about it. Russians will lose the upper hand when it comes to the cost of war if those get to the ukranians.
I know that probably means the US just wants to prevent Russia from cannibalizing for spare parts, but imagine a MiG-31 outfitted with the latest HATO radars. Soviet form & function with American technology, if Reagan were alive to see it it would make him cum.
Ukraine doesn't have the space to really give the MiG-31 the standoff it needs to harass shit with while not getting shot down itself what with its turning radius. As much as I'd like to see someone shove a bastardized AN/APG-73 antenna plugged into an AN/APG-63(V)1 processor into a MiG-31 and throw Phoenixs onto the plane, it'd never happen because, based purely on intuition and not fact, I think they'd likely need to fly into NATO airspace to turn around and accelerate before launching and still have room to turn back and dodge the SAMs inevitably launched at them. I also doubt we actually have any Phoenixs lying around, though I've never went looking for them.
A MiG-31 with western avionics and weapons would genuinely be the scariest 4th gen plane in the world
Still worse and less relevant than the F-111
No, it's piece of shit
Frick no, you could slot modern avionics and equipment into an F-14 and you'd get a plane that can outperform it.
>inb4 MiG-31 is faster
It needs a lot of setup to get that fast and it can't stay fast for long, most engagements will not occur at its top speed.
If it were true then the US would have built it a long time ago
Didn't this end up being fake news?
>https://kaspex.kz/ru/announcement-kaspex/oproverzhenie-na-nedostovernuyu-informacziyu-smi-po-povodu-realizaczii-aviaczionnoj-tehniki/
>Imagine an aircraft beaten by every worthwhile metric.
Speed is cool but even Russia realised it's not everything, especially if the engines self destruct.
If this was true the most likely outcome would be Nasa and potentially someone like Boom aerospace getting a tech demo aircraft like that time Russia loaned Nasa a TU-144.
>https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/120315main_fs-062-dfrc.pdf
Same as when they tracked down all F-14 parts and churned them to stop Iran from getting them.
I hope if this is true there's atleast one MiG-31 at a museum somewhere, ideally next to an F-15 or SR-71/A-12.
Lemme translate this statement into plain english: The yanks bought all of it at the auction through middlemen, and we let them under the condition that all of it will be scrapped and melted down here.
>under the condition that all of it will be scrapped and melted down here
Well, that's the official story anyway.
It could be true but if CIA are sending these parts on to Ukraine and saying "hey, don't mention where these came from" then a story like that would just what they'd say.
This is geopolitical, we really have no idea what's going on because there's good reasons for everyone involved to lie and both the official account and the assumed reality both seem pretty plausible.
moronic solution for a problem that never existed in any western nation
This dumb and a complete waste of money so obviously someone in the MIC will try it because they can.
>imagine mig31 with modern radar
So it’d be a shitty interceptor with better radar. It’s just a marginally improved mig25, which the US got ahold of over 40 years ago and were shocked at how trash the plane that drove F15 development actually was.
>building an interceptor out of steel
>fricking steel
Trash. And we’ve known it was trash since a pilot defected with one in the 80’s.
>they built an interceptor out of steel
>out of fricking steel!
doesn't the Mig-31 only have a 20-hour engine lifespan under normal, non-wartime operation?
I don't think it is that low, but It was definitely a constant that the top-tier soviet jets needed engine rebuilds more than American ones.
That was the MiG-25, and only when at full afterburner.
The turbofans on the MiG-31 are reasonably reliable by Soviet/Russian standards, and the aircraft is mainly limited by canopy heating rather than engine wear when it comes to high supersonic cruising.
> high supersonic cruising
> mainly limited by canopy
Only if you're talking about Mach 2.5. Above that (Mach 2.8-3) the main limitation is the small methanol-water tank. The MiG-25/31 can't go far faster than M2.5 without MW injection and compressor temperature becomes terrible above Mach 2.5. The A-12/SR-71, XB-70 are the only manned aircraft that managed to reach a cruising speed of Mach 3(.2).
>what purpose?
WHo knows. The world wonders. Absolutely no idea.
Probably cheaper to buy them than to send the necessary equipment to Ukraine to destroy them.
some of those are losttech for Russia - that will no longer be possible to acquire and to cannibalize for parts - rest will go to Ukraine - as spare parts mostly.
>strip working parts and repair MiGs in Ukraine
>take remaining airframe, place it on airfield
>???
>Russians send 10 million dollar rocket to blow it up
Mig-31 is one of the sexiest planes of all time, I really hope they can get at least 1 of them flying
I've read in every thread about the MiG-25 that it's role had become obsolete, apparently the 31 is just a modernized version, how is it more relevant apart from the technological upgrade?
The MiG-31's primary role was countering low-flying cruise missiles, and if the opportunity was present, shooting bombers before they could launch them. It was part of the PVO, a completely separate branch from the Soviet Air Force, dedicated to air defence.
If aircraft or cruise missiles fly low enough, radar stations can't see them due to terrain masking. Unlike the MiG-25, the MiG-31 had look-down shoot-down capability, and relatively long range and endurance. If an attack was anticipated, it could fly at high supersonic speed, with a powerful radar, 'sweeping' through blind spots in the terrain at a very high volume rate. If it detected anything, it could engage from very long range.
The Soviets were afraid of NATO cruise missile spam, and had a lot of territory to defend. To my knowledge, no other nation has formulated a requirement like that of the MiG-31.
Of course, it can be used to shoot down anything, not just cruise missiles, but this is what it can do that can't easily be done by other planes.
Since they are invading, not defending, Russia has been using its MiG-31s as a sort of aerial artillery instead, taking potshots at Ukrainian fighters from standoff distance.
However, everything breaks down, and the Soviet Union is long gone. The reported price is low, so it's reasonable for the US to aim to deny Russia parts. Whether the sale happened or not is open to question. In war, the first casualty is the truth.
US is trying to one up based Russians for capturing their armor. Doesn't work like that though. You can't parade around weapons that you bought. Russia won.
>that 3panel
It saddens me that I know enough about israelites to understand it.
das good
care to explain it to us non-schizos?
Jews have a yearly ritual where they pour their sins into a chicken, torture it a bit, then kill it. They are then considered free from sin. Its like Thanksgiving but more evil.
but its true
>a yearly ritual where they pour their sins into a chicken, torture it a bit
Only ultra orthodox israelites do that shit, those ugly weirdos who draft dodge in Israel and wear the pimp suits.
>capturing their armor
The U.S. wouldn't care and they already gotten a t-90 from the Ukrainians
As much as we like to imagine it's for sneaky squirrel black ops intel, it's just as likely that the US saw a chance to make a quick buck by buying the air frames in bulk and stripping them for the re-sellable parts and recyclable alloys. They've had hands-on flying time with those models for 20+ years, there's nothing new to learn from them.
no better way to stage a false-flag "Belarusian" air assault against Poland to justify a full scale NATO invasion of slavland.
at 20k a pop it's 1000% worth it to Frankenstein as many working ones out of them as possible to convert them into a redux of those suicide drone Foxbats the Ukies have been using against refineries and factories
you realize that if they can repair one MiG 29 then Ukraine can just use it as...MiG 29?
A single use suicide drone is extremely different than a combat worthy aircraft. Think before posting.
if they even manage to cobble together 1 working aircraft, it'll be worth it.
half of posters here have sub room temperature IQ, those aircrafts will be used for spare parts to keep existing MiGs and Su aircraft flying
>US buying Russian planes
Uuuuhhh....F35sisters, what happened? Wunderwaffen turn out to be a dud?
For the price, I doubt any of them are airworthy. Probably just spare part carcasses.
2 years into the special military invasion of mexico, russia has purchased all of canada's F-18 fighter jets
Underrated af
"just 19.999 imperial dollars"
I thing that someone in the US is making fun of Putin and his shasneeds kek
They bought these planes so they could break the timespace continuum by cannibalizing all the parts to build a super engine that can break it.
Fix them up, kit them out, ship them to our new NATO pals in Scandinavia, and then use them to fly in and drop bombs on the Kremlin and the Russian HQ.
Russian AD is so feckless and paralyzed that they will think it’s their own aircraft until it’s too late, and then we perform the micro-ton neutron nuclear drop kick on Pussolini’s and Shoigu’s flaccid Russian asses.
Shit lands on his ass, and the soundtrack plays:
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Honestly going off the U.S. defense budget… at 20k a piece we probably just bought them to point at and laugh.. pretty sure we spend more on this every single time we lob a tomahawk…
Are those even the ‘real’ versions though, and not some gimped export variants.
Even if they were gimped, the most likely kind of gimping would be to avionics, sensor suite, etc. Stuff that the US probably already has information on.
Harder to alter things like performance profiles, RCS, that sort of thing for export without the buyer getting real pissy, and that's likely the more useful information for the US. A better idea of how they fly and how they look on scope while flying.
they should donate a few of them to Pima. At the very least get a bubble canopy for the Mig 29, last time I was there it didn't look like it had a real canopy.
The planes were junkers so just for parts — either to deny Russia of them and/or to supply parts for allies. Still, $20k a pop is ridiculously low probably going into someone’s pocket.
>The planes were junkers so just for parts — either to deny Russia of them and/or to supply parts for allies
I assume they'll end up as parts in Ukraine with some non-repairable fuselages even getting dolled up as decoys.
Denying the same parts to Russia is a nice bonus.
The real story is Kazakhstan though, clearly they've been paying attention when Russian officials all said the Kazakhs are next after Ukraine. The real price and even what's changing hands is about alliances and military assistance and helping Kazakhstan stay neutral between Russia and China and not come under the domination of either one.
It's incredible its taken this long for someone to mention that, this is a another Russian 'ally' making signs that it doesn't care what Russia thinks anymore. Might be the start of the Soviet Unions chickens coming home to roost
>this is a another Russian 'ally' making signs that it doesn't care what Russia thinks anymore
Not the first time they have, they made similar noises about letting mobiks flee there to protect them from the front, I believe they're voting on UN stuff in lock-step with the west too.
This is just the furthest they've gone, actively cooperating with USA, i.e. HATO
Russia is going to end up with Kazakhs, Georgians and Ukraine making good friends with each other and especially with HATO/USA as the immediate buffers of Russian containment.
No, they're migs
Maybe US has some militarized ally that already denied the airspace for his enemy and needs just a little drop to turn the tide.
USAF realized US made planes are shit and have no chance in a real war
>MiG-31 interceptors
Zizsters our wunderwaffe....
Ukraine is going to use them or spare parts.they will not immediately transition to f16s but continue to use theirs which are rapidly falling apart from over use.
>2024
>the US is buying up 50 year old airframes from the Kazakhs
>to stop the Russians from salvaging spare parts to keep their airforce functional
frickin tragic
i wonder what ex soviet nation currently under threat and aligned with nato will get them
No Su-25?
make one of those junk statues except its a giant mech made of planes
>Mig-31’s and Mig-27’s
I think I’m going to cum, Mig-27 bros we are so back
I know this plane from GS videos. It's the only Russian plane besides the su57 that can dogfight an f22.
GS videos are unrealistic modded bullshit.
>But for what purpose?
Stop Russia getting them when its time for total Russian Air Force Death
Why is everyone saying mig-31, when the OP is showing an Su-30SM?
Because of the words in OP's post, anon.
>But for what purpose?
Russia is about to have its air force amputated without anesthetic and this stops Russia getting them when it will desperately want them. This should be fun.
Real answer, the Russians are running out of parts for their planes.Russian military jets wear out thir engines three times more quickly than western jets due to poorer less advanced metallurgy in e.g turbine fans. Russian military jets have taken massive losses (about 25%) but have also been kept in the air a lot, and Russia produces very few annually. The Russian air force has consumed much of its part inventory. Anticipating this becoming a crisis or Russia, the US has for very little bought out the most accessible stock of spares. As this crisis keeping planes in the air for Russia deepens due to part shortages , the western F16s from the Netherlands and Denmark that Ukrainian pilots have been training on for a year, equipped with HAARM for SEAD will go in. After SEAD (and Russia has already lost 700+ AA systems) they will permanently put the kerch bridge out of action. At that point the Russian Black sea fleet will be invited to surrender, some of it will, some will scuttle, some will be destoyed.
Kazakhstan is going through a very turbulent period politically, it may well be a form of bribe.
The old soviet airframes were expensive at the time they were made and probably contain a lot of rare earth alloys.
Another possibility is that the US wants to stop someone else (Russia) buying them, because despite being nominally obsolete one of these air frames can still destroy 50 modern tanks.
Other angles; the US might be trying to stop key components like gyros falling into the hands of Iran, who might conceivably develop a JDAM style package for their scuds.
also: kazaksyan is a gold mine if you want military junk. the country is so corrupt, the military bases are all in the middle of nowhere, many are totally abandoned. you can just walk into them.
one guy broke into an abandoned hanger near bikoneur and found aknock off apolo shuttle, ibroke into places and found other things.
you go up to wgoever wouldbe a witness, tell them you want to buy the thing which otherwise you would be syealing, load it into a truck and drive across the dessert.
there are things parkedon the desert you wouldn't believed k.
there's all a oviet junk, but also of black markrt just parked there. from Russia afghan war, from Chinese soviet war, Chinese hardware, some even movern.
sorry some come from georgia but then movedto khazakstan when georgia tried to be euro. slaves, tigers, allnormal smuggle goods also but just in warehouse.
good deal ison the old graz, but never hsving tiresor other external parts.or petrol. so if going to buy, bring own parts.
>there's all a oviet junk, but also of black markrt just parked there. from Russia afghan war, from Chinese soviet war, Chinese hardware, some even movern.
its literally radioactive and dates back to nuclear testing anon
https://www.nti.org/education-center/facilities/semipalatinsk-test-site/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/02/14/how-kazakhstan-fought-back-against-soviet-nuclear-tests-pub-86404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site
The Soviet Union conducted 456 nuclear tests at Semipalatinsk from 1949 until 1989 with little regard for their effect on the local people or environment. The full impact of radiation exposure was hidden for many years by Soviet authorities and has only come to light since the test site closed in 1991
........................
After the closure of the Semipalatinsk labour camp, construction duties were performed by the 217th Separate Engineering and Mining Battalion, who later built the Baikonur Cosmodrome.
The nuclear site is nothing, unhealthy dust.i an task real blyat and going places with no name. Whatever you want, I will fit in thy ass and walk to the
Obviously cow shit, they are paying too sqash her. Coward. Pay is far more than 20, coming from the NASA black books.
is just a cement shit, hundreds if soviet shits. no I have seen things beyond hmderstans, like I not knowing what it is. some radar array set for ground not air, measure the explosion under ground. I have seen many missiles like scud, some sidewinder type, ttunguska parts, even ask old snow spiral tankin the sand. come from oblast , I want to belive in walking
enjoy your tumors its all radioactive they even tested mortars that dispersed radioactive particles en mass to test nbc protection vehicle designs, that's why all that shit was left there
Boo hoo, nobody cares. You wear mask, take Iodine isotope, I have been many much worse places.
Degelen is evil, you can get into the underground. Safe? No. Not the underground. There is also places like this on America, California. Again is mountains nobody goes.
You don't even know the surface of the 4A tests. The people only know where it was dropped on the ground.
Who do you think writes the caravan? We know them.
Degelen and Sary-Uzen testing grounds, and RWA test sites
There are 3 more testing grounds, all off-limits for tourists. Degelen, mountainous and forested, is considered 90% clean, but some parts are still dangerously radioactive due to accidents during explosions or from carrying over of radioactivity either from unsealing tunnels after tests, or via underground waterways.
Sary-Uzen is similar to Balapan in terms of contamination, former use and geography, only without crater lakes.
Test sites 4A and 4 were used for tests with radioactive warfare agents (RWA). RWA were liquid or powder-like radioactive mixtures dispersed by mortar shells or bombing from the air. This site is heavily contaminated and poses a serious hazard to people and animals. A physical barrier has been constructed around the area.https://caravanistan.com/kazakhstan/north/semey/kurchatov-polygon/
>they even tested mortars that dispersed radioactive particles en mass to test nbc protection vehicle designs
>there are things parkedon the desert you wouldn't believed k.
https://caravanistan.com/kazakhstan/north/semey/kurchatov-polygon/
are things parkedon the desert you wouldn't believed k.
>https://caravanistan.com/kazakhstan/north/semey/kurchatov-polygon/
Semipalatinsk Nuclear Test Range, Model
The Semipalatinsk Test Range, View North-West from Lake Zhaksymuz, providing a Good Overview of the Assembly Building and Tower as well as of the two Bridges, one Railway and one Road, built to test the Effect of the Bomb on Civilian Infrastructure.
mutants as well!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/martintrolle/albums/72157638122387574/with/11204101215
The nation of Kazakhstan recognizes more than a million of their citizens as victims of Soviet-era radiation exposure. In one village adjacent to the test site, categorized as “minimal risk,” the Kazakh government allots each resident a one time lump sum roughly equivalent to $50 USD. Although their health is negatively impacted by the radiation, residents see themselves as resilient. Many believe that they have genetically adapted to survive the radiation and report that they have come to rely upon it. One villager claimed that “Our organism is different… now accustomed to radiation. For many years we were exposed to radioactive fallout, and now we eat it. Slowly and quietly, our bodies got used to it. Why do you think people don’t die [here], but only get a little sick?... Most of us can’t live in clean air—we need radiation to survive. Clean air is our death. We are not deformed, just a little sick.”[14] In the same manner, many within the village self-report that when they venture outside the area for supplies, they suffer symptoms such as headaches, dizziness, and stomach cramps, furthering the thought that they have come to rely on the radiation to live. Overall, residents have embraced the radiation as a sign of their own genetic adaptation.
>One villager claimed that “Our organism is different… now accustomed to radiation. For many years we were exposed to radioactive fallout, and now we eat it. Slowly and quietly, our bodies got used to it. Why do you think people don’t die [here], but only get a little sick?... Most of us can’t live in clean air—we need radiation to survive. Clean air is our death
>Russia invades Kazakhstan
>Meets the Helkhast
>many within the village self-report that when they venture outside the area for supplies, they suffer symptoms such as headaches, dizziness, and stomach cramps,
Good lord.
With source material like this, Ukrainian game devs didn't have to smoke anything to come up with Stalker plot linse.
>"Humanity is the disease, we ... We are the cure" - local Kazach villager
Ive played enough violent video games to know exactly where this is going... Big fence around Kazachstan NOW! Shoot everyone that tries to escape!
>Big fence around Kazachstan NOW! Shoot everyone that tries to escape!
My god, it's the progenitors of the ghouls.
Today I learned that the Zone exists, and it is in Kazakhstan. Time to get an old Soviet hazmat suit with asbestos filters and go looking for artifacts. Good hunting, STALKER.
Semipalatinsk Nuclear Test Range, Map
The proving ground was a circle of radius about 10 km. It had special test support structures. The ground was conditionally divided into 14 sectors. These included two fortification and physical sectors, a civil structures sector and a sector for sheltered or unsheltered placement of various weapons, materiel and experimental animals at different distances from the ground center.
The civil sector included two three-storied brick and several cob work and prefabricated timber houses, portions of power supply lines and railway tracks with a bridge, portions of water supply and wastewater disposal systems, an industrial building, three underground tunnels laid at the depth of 10, 20 and 30 m to simulate an underground railway.
The sectors also included 53 aircraft of various types, artillery weapons and armored vehicles (25 tanks and self-propelled artillery systems) to enable observation of blast effects. The post-explosion state of everything the sectors had was to indicate the shock wave power and damaging effects of light, penetrating and radioactive radiation.
A similar effort was undertaken to study the damaging effects of new weaponry on living organisms (more than 1500 animals were placed in the respective ground sector).
>A similar effort was undertaken to study the damaging effects of new weaponry on living organisms (more than 1500 animals were placed in the respective ground sector).
Semipalatinsk Nuclear Test Range
Dog, killed in the 1949 Nuclear Detonation.
>more than 1500 animals were placed in the respective ground sector
and how many conscripts?
>and how many conscripts?
45000 including officers they walked them right into ground zero
including officers
>and how many conscripts?
samegay sorry the 45000 was somewhere else
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totskoye_nuclear_exercise
Sergey Zelentsov (1927–2017), a military officer who was the first to reach the middle of the hypocenter, described his experience in the following words: "Not reaching the area of strong radioactive contamination, we crossed the road which the columns of advancing troops had passed before us. It was empty and quiet around, only the radiometers were clicking, noting us of the increased level of radiation. The troops proceeded past the hypocenter, outside of the area of severe radioactive contamination. Directly in the zone adjacent to the hypocenter of the explosion, the ground was covered with a thin glassy crust of melted sand, crunchy and breaking underfoot, like a thin ice on spring puddles after a night frost. And there were no footprints on it, except for my own. I walked quietly along this crust, since the radiometer registered a level of radioactivity not exceeding 1 R/h."
literally worse than Hitler.
Also Laika, the cosmonaut dog? There were no plans past seeing if dog would survive ascent to space. She was cooked as the capsule slowly overheated.
You Leigh, I did.
Recovery cost is no if recycle on site. But obvious reason is to stop parts to Russia and Iran . Mig has very special radar.
>one guy broke into an abandoned hanger near bikoneur and found aknock off apolo shuttle, ibroke into places and found other things.
It's worth a watch and probably the reason he got banned from Russia
(the shot of him and his belarusian escort gf running across the open field in pitch black is kino)
Tourist homosexuals. I have gun not camera, Ni stupid YouTube,
Did you have a stroke anon?
I think he's just a very drunk kazakhstani stalker.
he's the bald and sex tourist guy who likes andrew tate and kids A LOT?
Yes
Fortunately he keeps the PUA shit out of his videos
I thought she looked like she was right off Seeking Arrangements.
>one guy broke into an abandoned hanger near bikoneur
Multiple people over the years actually, also Baikonur is actually guarded by the FSB since it falls under russian administration.
>The old soviet airframes were expensive at the time they were made and probably contain a lot of rare earth alloys.
MiG-31 airframe is 49% arc-welded nickel steel, 33% light metal alloy, 16% titanium and 2% composites.
The nickel and titanium are indeed valuable, the rest, not so much. As far as I know, the only REE used in aerospace alloys is scandium. Because it was used in very small amounts (0.1%-0.5%), typically in landing gear, extracting it would not be useful. However, the landing gear tubing, intact, could be valuable as scrap.
>The old soviet airframes were expensive at the time they were made and probably contain a lot of rare earth alloys.
nah the recovery cost would be greater
>Real answer, the Russians are running out of parts for their planes.Russian military jets wear out thir engines three times more quickly than western jets due to poorer less advanced metallurgy in e.g turbine fans. Russian military jets have taken massive losses (about 25%) but have also been kept in the air a lot, and Russia produces very few annually. The Russian air force has consumed much of its part inventory. Anticipating this becoming a crisis or Russia, the US has for very little bought out the most accessible stock of spares.
>Russia is about to have its air force amputated without anesthetic and this stops Russia getting them when it will desperately want them.
America is openly saying they will melt for alloy which is sensible, but actually most of the money will be bribe, and they will be trying to destroy parts.
Why?
My guess is that these parts are old enough that Iran would actually have the capacity to manufacture them. A lot of this shit isn't well known even today, and Iran will work with whatever they can get.
Straight away I think, gyroscopes. Gyroscopes designed for Mach speed, would work in ballistic missiles. Iran probably makes copies rather than try to reuse old ones
For $20,000 each they could scavenge them for parts and load these up with explosives and have Ukrainian pilots do kamikaze missions into Russian infrastructure.
>For $20,000 each they could scavenge them for parts and load these up with explosives
Officially, everything is cut or shredded before export so even parts shouldn't be viable.
The announcement was a little vague on whether it was parts or airframes that were cut but it did make it clear that it was exporting stuff that would be reduced to recycling-level scrap metal before export.
23 mm gshk cannon probably stripped but still purchasable, it still fricks.
In fact the plane goes mach3 and the Russians are still actively using them, so question why khazakstan not sold to Russia already is probably more interesting question.
Probably for training purposes. They might pit the MIGs against F-16s and F-35s in air to air wargames like top gun.
the dystopia we all been waiting for
>Fighter jet : 20k
>basic corolla : 22k
Please dont violate the NAP as I commute to work in my MIG-29
I am drunk but I will tell you legend.
There is places where no county, even before soviets was secret places in the desert mountains that are from Himalayas to Chechenya, whole area is no country.
After USSR fell nothing happens, but then old elite later became afraid of new Russia and putins assasins. So elites went to the ancient places in the mountains with whatever they could take.
In these mountain areas are thousand year treasures, many Are just sit on a cave, anyone who goes finds other treasures in cave but can't take. Mountain is like end of the line. In treasure is also many evil things, nuclear bomb, disease bomb, poison gases, bodies of important people, gold, but important machines as well from tanks or planes or industry. To me I don't know what they are but they just sit.
Why nobody go there, google maps, you think not real place but I say is real, from space you can see the things, half But even hidden. Nobody goes because not knowing, to go is easy. To remove treasure is much harder.
I have one treasure from that place, piece of a machine I pulled off as souvenir. I went many places to buy many serious things but those were normal military places. The mountain is like a church.
Where to look on Google Maps?
So what is Kazakhstan's perspective here? Surely they know by now they can't rely on Russia as a reliable partner. I'm sure vatniks could come up with some bullshit excuse for an invasion. And yet they are larger than Ukraine and are a sparsely populated country. Could Western countries even have a presence in Central Asia? Is China support enough to deter Russia? Would Chang raise an eyebrow and make Ivan understand?
>Could Western countries even have a presence in Central Asia?
It would not be the first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
Spies, diplomatic intrigue, small wars.
It was the 19th Century Anglo-Russian Cold War.
nah dude we are fricked we no one cares about us
-our basic infra is rotting faster than we can train people let alone build new infra
-US is moving away from oil so no petroleum buxx for us all perto industry is exxon backed and the contract will end in 2033
-russia failing at everything imaginable will have bad consequences on us too
-our moronic leaders wasted 30 year of independence and 30 years of pertobuxx building a capital in the middle of fricking nowhere to suck putins wiener or something and only now they are slowly realizing their mistakes...
-our moron boomers just kept living as if they were still under communism and kept suck their obviously moronic leaders wieners
no. its not that hard to find anyway
t. negative xp
based slant eyed man of the wide open steppe. boomers are cancer everywhere bro they will be gone soon inshallah
Hey buddy what city you from? I’ve been to KZ a few times most recently in Feb, I would say infrastructure has improved since my first visit in 2014 (the capital doesn’t count its bizarre)
Find something to export to the west utilizing the cheaper kz labor
are you talking about cities?
pertobuxx werent completely wasted of course, thankfully, and independence finally allowed us to build infra that make sense to us but the thing is soviets build a central heating system as in one plant in the middle of the city produces heated water (and shit ton of co2 look up "almaty smog" pics on google) for the entire city that is used to heat houses during the winter heated water must be somehow transported right? and how is that done? with pipes... underneath the roads... and these pipes need to be replaced like every 15 seconds meaning frick your new roads homie (and never-mind the energy losses inherit to such a system) and im not even gonna get into the fact that our soil is garbage to build on and how these pipies change temperature levels of the soil and how that leads to holes on these roads.
It was done like this to have total control over the public. Ghost of Stalin still haunts this rotting body of USSR
well there isnt much to find to export. all the oil and minerals are already being exported and by the looks of it our next big selling export good will be labor itself since our population has been growing non stop ever since the independence while economy lagged behind all these people will need to find jobs yknow.
and export to where? we are the worlds largest landlocked country with no real industry and our best trade partners are fricking russia and china 2 of the largest failed states on the planet our uzbek and kyrgys friends are poorer and worse off than us.
as for the planes being sold frick it who cares. loads of russians came here seeking refuge. i welcome them. even if they could be used to justify one more special operation
yknow being a frickall country in a frickall place is fine if peace is maintained but even that is not given to us
if we are gonna maintain stability we will have to do it by ourselves for ourselves and just hope russians wont intervene (they will)
bad luck i guess.
Some will be refitted to act as aggressor aircraft, most will be converted to drones and used for target practice and weapons testing. This is hardly the first time such purchases have been made.
So thanks for the stupidass question. A thread died for a question you could’ve googled.
The mig31 has to be the ugliest thing to ever exist. It looks like it maneuvers like a brick. I guess as an interceptor it just has to go fast in a straight line but as a fighter it seems completely worthless.
>The Abrams has to be the ugliest thing to ever exist. It looks like it maneuvers like a brick. I guess as a main battle tank it just has to drive and shoot, but as a fighter it seems completely worthless.
It is not a fighter.
>Designed for long range escorts for bombers
>not a fighter
Getting there and killing enemies with BVR missiles before they can engage your bombers and then blasting through the engagement to spend ten minutes turning around to come back for another pass is not exactly what fighters are built for.
Difference between cavalry fighting with sabres or with a lance.
Correct. Not a fighter. F-22 can drop SDBs, but it's still a fighter, not a bomber.
ywn buy a jet for 20K
feels bad man
Russia probably shouldn't have publicly said "Kazakhstan is next", should they?
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-russia-kazakhstan-invade-1796484
Putin Ally Suggests Russia Should Invade Kazakhstan Next
A Russian journalist has suggested that Moscow has the "historical right" to Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic that gained independence in 1991.
Dmitry Steshin, a correspondent with the Kremlin-friendly tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda, was asked in an interview on the outlet's radio station about comparisons between Ukraine and Kazakhstan, a central Asian country with which Russia shares a 4,750-mile border.
"The situation in Ukraine is being mirrored clearly in Kazakhstan. There are enormous regions populated by Russian speakers there too," said Steshin in a clip tweeted by Francis Scarr of BBC Monitoring, which as of Tuesday morning, had been viewed more than 23,000 times.
Among the Kremlin's justifications for its full-scale invasion of Ukraine was the protection of Russian speakers in the Donbas region.
A pro-Kremlin journalist has said that Russia has a "historical right" to Kazakhstan.
When asked by the presenter about whether there are some people in Kazakhstan who believe that Russia wants to take the north of the country "according to the Ukrainian scenario," Steshin responded: "we have a historical right to those lands."
"It's an industrial territory," he continued, "those are cities which were built by our ancestors, why did we give them those cities as gift in 1991?"
>A Russian journalist has suggested that Moscow has the "historical right" to Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic that gained independence in 1991.
>Actually, Taipei has always been Chinese, and must be liberated.
>Actually, Tibet has always been Chinese, and must be liberated.
>Actually, the Malvinas have always been Argentinian, and must be liberated.
>Actually, Ukraine has always been Russian, and must be liberated.
>Actually, Kazakhstan has always been Russian, and must be liberated.
>Actually, Riben shěng has always been the easternmost Chinese province, and must be liberated.
Sometimes I wish people would come out and admit 'we want this land, so we are going to take it'.
, the Malvinas have always been Argentinian, and must be liberated.
They have never been apart of Argentina
>apart of Argentina
You mean "apart from Argentina"?
You can be apart from something but not apart of something.
That's just not how the King's English works.
doesnt matter since he meant "a part of"
We tried that but everyone was all "boo hoo colonialism" and "waaaaah stop exterminating my people and stealing all our most sacred treasures"
There's just no pleasing some people
>But for what purpose?
To stop Iran getting them.
The article says
>Spare parts
>Decoys to put on airfields so Russia sends their wunderwuffe missiles to blow them up
There. Also I am sure if you could put some engine in it and get it in the air somehow, you could throw them somewhere....
False flags
Kazakbros? We were buddies!
why is the image a Su-30?
They're obviously being fixed up for a false flag terrorbombing of some insignificant but soon to be martyred NATO member border village
lmfao, nafo mig 31's
ive seen it all
America is buying Soviet/Russian aircraft because America forgot what style was because of their obsession with stupid shit like "performance". 50% better low alpha control or 10% better RCS mean nothing in the face of things like "does your plane give pilots a boner" and "do your ground crews feel like they're maintaining a corporate product or Rance-sama given wings?". Your pilots might be better on paper, but when it comes down to a sweaty naked locker room dispute, who is the rapee, and who is the raper?
that plane looks like it has autism
True, I have Autism and I look like that plane
You sexy autist.
>instead of this we got the Su-57 and an X-32
If only you knew how bad things really are
>who is the rapee, and who is the raper?
Ancient Russian proverb
Sad that they didn't buy any of the Su-27 family planes
it’s cool looking; I’d buy it if I was crazy rich
They'll be placed in museums to be preserved for future generations as it's clear that Russia is trying to self-destruct and obliterate all traces of their culture and history from the face of the earth along with them.
Real talk, they might be buying these solely so Russia can't, since they seem to be sourcing a lot of their war material by buying it from abroad now. The idea of sending these to some militaria museums is still possible since there's not really any reason to want these otherwise. Even if they were supposedly for Ukraine, they'd be better off using our outdated models as they're easier to fly and superior to their eastern counterparts even now. Only thing I'm really opposed to offloading on them is the A-10s because frick you I like the titanium bathtub ground assault gunship, it takes a punch and keeps going because frick you and your chinkshit commie missiles. I want to see an A-10 fire a burst into the Three Gorges Dam someday, I'll be damned if you just give them to Ukraine for them to keep in perpetuity until they're left to rot in some field. If they get any then they have to give them back.
It would be an unspeakable war crime to hit the Three Gorges Dam.
Would be cool AF and save our troops lives.
And?
Reddit tier comment
Reddit is literally owned by the CCP, go frick yourself traitor.
>The US has purchased 81 Soviet-era combat aircraft from Kazakhstan
To deny the Russians those birds and parts, to transfer them to Ukraine, to pay the Kazakhs and try to peel them away from Russia diplomatically.
>still no wings for the MiG-25 at the Wright Patt Museum
Aggressor aircraft, spare parts.
>But for what purpose?
Denying the enemy transportation.
>I could have bought a MiG for $20k
wtf bros, I'm despondent
direct your immeasurable autism elsewhere, away from this board. additionally keep your sick fantasies to yourself and for your therapist, homosexual.
>direct your immeasurable autism elsewhere, away from this board
Good luck driving autists off PrepHole, anon.
Like ten people had to reply to sperg out about me joking about the MiG-31 getting a NATO radar, I don't think I'm the autistic one here.
>haha i only pretended to be severly moronic
yeah dawg a post that advocates for doing something at enormous cost because "it would make Reagan cum" is definitely a serious proposal and you need to dogpile on it to explain why it wouldn't work logistically. It's me whose autistic here.
Are you seriously complaining about autism on PrepHole?
It's for spare parts. Shit's probably not in the fighting condition.
The planes are going to be used in a false flag attack.
>Day 999 of America's special military operation to decartelify Mexico
>Brazil buys 81 aircraft, including F-4 phantoms, F-111s, F-16s, and Mirages from a NATO member to help Mexico.
I hope we keep on focussing on Kazakhstan. They're very obviously turning away from Russia and looking towards both the west and china. And due to their strategic location I think we shouldn't be too harsh of they want to keep both us and china happy.