>The Ukrainian Air Force reports that the missile that landed in Kremenchuk was a KH-22 Anti-Ship Missile fired from a Tu-22M3 from 200km away
>A KH-22
>With a CEP of up to 5km
>https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1541466569787719681
>The Ukrainian Air Force reports that the missile that landed in Kremenchuk was a KH-22 Anti-Ship Missile fired from a Tu-22M3 from 200km away
>Anti-Ship Missile
>CEP of up to 5km
...big ship.
It’s an anti ship missile it’s supposed to guide itself into a ship and when the target is a carrier in the middle of the empty sea, it’s trivial enough that even russians can design the seeker.
Fired at a land target, all it has to go on is the dogshit russian INS which is why the CEP is about the same as a V1 rocket.
This seems more likely than
given how ships tend to be considered rather hard targets for nukes. 5 clicks out and I guess you might blow the planes off of a carrier's flight deck with a big enough firecracker, but even that might be generous.
A 1 megaton nuke carried on a Kh-22 has a fireball radius of 1 km and does moderate damage in a 7 km radius, going by https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/. So being off by 5 km from the aircraft carrier's not too bad.
But they're using conventional warheads and shooting them at targets in a city....
I forgot the exact numbers, but the US extensively tested this in Operation Crossroads. So you can find the exact distance if you look for it.
>Operation Crossroads
Interesting. Seems ships within 1000 meters were very damaged. But the yield of the warheads was way lower than a nuclear tipped Kh-22. 30 kT versus 300 to 1000 kT
inverse square law is a b***h though. going from 30kt to 1000kt means the effective range of the blast goes from 1000m to a c**t hair over 2000m.
>and shooting them at targets in a city....
With a 5km CEP you aren't firing at targets in a city, you're just firing at the city.
Using a one-megaton warhead to hit a ship, any ship, is a hard frickin' fail.
Of course none of that trash would get anywhere near a US aircraft carrier, not even in Red Storm Rising days. Clancy even said he had to basically cheat the wargame for the Backfire and its shitty missiles.
However, the MIC got Congress to cough up the dough for that 'threat'.
Like the MiG-25. You know, the Mach 3+ dogfighter.
Can you elaborate so that I have the facts to argue against this common and stupid argument the next time it comes up? Both chinks and vatniks insist that if the US Navy came close they would just missilespam it from the land, what is the counter to this?
He's refering to the Aegis Combat System used to defend the fleet against missile threats.
How well it works against hypersonic missiles I've no fricking clue, however.
Okay, how many missiles are hypersonic these days?
Russia and China claim to have developed them somewhat recently, but their effectiveness is anyone's guess. Wouldn't surprise me if they're nowhere near as good as claimed, but then again who knows?
It seems like no one can truly say, at least for the time being, what the outcome would be were an assault launched on a carrier group.
It's both, nuclear warheads on Soviet ASM systems were used for this, but so were active terminal guidance of various types.
One doesn't rule out the other.
>given how ships tend to be considered rather hard targets for nukes. 5 clicks out and I guess you might blow the planes off of a carrier's flight deck with a big enough firecracker, but even that might be generous.
It will likely turn the carrier combat ineffective for a decent amount of time, if the carrier isn't performing air ops it's practically useless.
IIRC the russkies modified the radar-seekers on old anti-ship missiles before, enabling them to lock onto large buildings after the INS got them close enough. They've blown some other big free-standing buildings with them before during this war, like that one community center.
>Fired at a land target, all it has to go on is the dogshit russian INS which is why the CEP is about the same as a V1 rocket.
KH-22 radar seeker can lock on to land target too, and it's lock on before launch, so crew looks at radar image and manually picks target. Theoretically it can hit large RCS land targets.
But then something went wrong...
>Theoretically it can hit large RCS land targets
so they just lob it at a city and it auto-targets any big building
that's not really an improvement over unguided
>it auto-targets any big building
as anon said, it's lock on before launch, so it won't happen. Land attack version is INS only.
>so they just lob it at a city and it auto-targets any big building
As I said KH-22 doesn't do autotargeting. It's radar seeker locks on before launch when missile is still under the wing. Crew looks on the radar image puts crrosshairs on target and then locks on missile seeker on that target then launch.
Such somewhat archaic and cumbersome targeting was made so missile can be guided on the specific ship in the battle formation (ie aircraft carrier) and tech of that time couldn't discriminate radar images.
> which is why the CEP is about the same as a V1 rocket
Even the V1 could manage to turn the circle into an ellipse.
The soviets palnned to put tactial nukes on their anti ship missles and nuke the carrier group not hit individual ships.They knew their accuracy sucked.
>They knew their accuracy sucked
Yep. I worked with an older guy who worked woth the U.S.'s missile tracking systems. Basically we could launch a ICBM from idle America and hit within 20 feet of the target in the middle of the pacific. The Soviets were lucky if they'd hit within miles so they used larger warheads.
for you
the actual answer is that the Kitchen can't use terminal radar guidance against a shopping center like it can against a ship, so when used as a ghetto LACM it's purely inertial
What the frick were the Russians trying to achieve?
Trying to destroy the Old Navy in the shopping center.
goddammit carlos
Smirk/10
I just chortled while waiting for a haircut now every c**t is wondering what’s funny
They are running of out options and are lashing out in the best way they can, as imperfectly as we see. The Ukrainians I think are doing the same, they just happen to have superior and more accurate Western gear.
My money is on the fact that both are running out of steam on the ground in the Donbas.
Ukies should just say frick it and HIMARS a Russian city to get even.
Yes, but they know that they would lose the one most extraordinary thing they've managed so far, to unify the West. Maybe we'll see that once the tide turns and Ukraine is less dependent on the gibs
Russia is running low with minimal prospects of resupply.
Ukraine will blow through what it has on hand and replace it with better western munitions.
Maybe they tried to hit the bridge.
Since they obviously already know their old missiles can't hit shit, it is surprising they are still trying to hit a target in the middle of a dense urban area.
'Muh retaliaton for HIMARSing our depots' turned into yet another episode of Russian autofellation.
>Since they obviously already know their old missiles can't hit shit, it is surprising they are still trying to hit a target in the middle of a dense urban area.
They don't care about collateral damage.
>Be general
>Stalemate on the ground
>Dictator angry with you
>Military training consisted of being the third son of the refinery owner
>Run out of options and get desperate
>Lash out against civilians with the decreasing combat power you have
Same in every war when a dictatorship loses.
Terror bombing?
They're out of kalibrs
I think it's more that Ukrainians started shooting them down much more successfully
IT WAS UKRAINIAN FALSE FLAG FULL OF BRITISH ACTORS AND AZOV DID IT
>What the frick were the Russians trying to achieve?
Kremenchuk has been bombed for many times already. It had oil refinery plant and it was destroyed/severely damaged during the first month.
99,9% it was like "Ivan, it is daily rocket striking routine, target X in Kremenchuk, launch Kh-22". Considering the amount of rockets and ballistic missiles they launch everyday I bet they do not bother themselves with even knowing objects they are striking at
G7 was held today. They are, in a typical Russian fashion, trying to send Ukraine / NATO a "message" that they can get away with things like this and we won't punish them for it.
You have to look at Russia for what it really is, a subhuman, savage country run by a gang of criminals.
doesn't seem that much different from united shitstains of meritrannies
>There could be Ukrainians hiding in this Ukrainian mall inside the country of Ukraine
>"We must stop our troops from raiding the lingerie section! Bomb Victoria's Secret!"
There's some kind of vehicle repair plant by the mall, but Russia's guidance system is apparently fueled by vodka
No joke, there's people out there who think this and Bucha are false flags made to garner sympathy for Ukraine for some reason.
They are. bucha definitely is
and it's not about sympathy for ukraine, nato doesn't care about ukraine lmao. It's to have a sob story to show to the world so they can keep his mind away from inflation and the destruction of suburban communities (plus mass migration)
>They are. bucha definitely is
Hmm, what do I believe? That there's a grand conspiracy to stage a massacre in a formerly occupied village? Or that vatnik did what vatnki does when they were greeted with NLAWs and Javelins instead of hugs and kisses? Yeah, nah, you're a c**t.
>kill pro-russian civilians
>put their bodies out of the street
>film it for 20 minutes
no conspiracy required at all
>Or that vatnik did what vatnki does when they were greeted with NLAWs and Javelins instead of hugs and kisses?
except there are zero proof of russians kill any civilian and leaving him on the street
considering the west needs a sob story, it's almost definitely staged
look how quickly it was forgotten too.
I haven't forgotten. I look forward to post-war when Ukrainian SOF, after years of wartime experience, go Wrath of God and kill c**ts from the 64th MRR all around the world.
>except there are zero proof of russians kill any civilian and leaving him on the street
To be fair, there is.
BBC posted an article about camera footage they found which does show Russians herding a group of men toward a place where bodies were found, and they interviewed a supposed survivor who apparently got executed, but lived and crawled away later. It's questionable evidence, but it is evidence.
Of course, they have also accidentally ruined the narrative, because the interviewed man admits they weren't innocent civilians but illegal unmarked combatants running an insurgency on the occupied territory, they were caught in the act, tried to lie their way out and pretend to be civilians instead of proper surrender, and were executed only after Russians established that they were indeed war criminals. Incidentally, Russians released the one man who honorably surrendered and admitted that he is a combatant, only for him to get persecuted by Ukraine as traitor for following the Geneva convention.
We have satellite photos proving when people died
We have your "kill lists" and witnesses of executions of anyone who might have been formerly part of the Ukrainian military, or just spoke up against Putin and Russian oppression
We have the photos of looted washing machines
And above all else we have morals that mean aggressively attacking someone else's home and then executing them if they potentially could fight back is the behaviour of absolute scum, brainwashed npcs who belong in the dark heart of Africa, not amongst modern civilization.
>We have satellite photos proving when people died
And we have autopsy reports saying these people died to artillery shrapnel, so satellite images ended up working in Russian favor - Russians weren't the ones shelling the town occupied by Russians. Majority of the victims were killed by Ukrainians.
I don't doubt that a few people were executed by Russian soldiers - that kind of shit happens when fighting an insurgency, soldiers hate guerillas hiding among civilians and react accordingly when they catch one. But there was no massacre except for the one committed by Ukrainians.
>400 people in a mass grave in an occupied town is all Ukies fault actually
>we Russians were just innocently here, all our paperwork is in order and everything!
Frick off moron
>mass graves
Were they supposed to leave the bodies to rot in the streets, moron?
Burying the dead is only civil. Not like they were trying to hide it or anything, it was a huge grade dug in the cemetery with the help of locals.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/dozens-bucha-civilians-killed-flechettes-metal-darts-russian-artillery
They try to pass it as "Russian artillery", but literally the only piece of evidence they base this accusation on is Ukrainian government saying "nah it wasn't us".
What's important is they were killed by artillery, and common sense dictates the artillery was Ukrainian.
Are you completely moronic? Even if your fever dream of "Ukrainian artillery killing people in Bucha" were true, it clearly states that out of HUNDREDS of bodies, DOZENS had died from artillery.
>Ukrainian artillery killing people in Bucha
>fever dream
Anon, killing people is the explicite purpose or artillery. Fever dream is to think that Ukrainian artillery shelling Bucha didn't kill people.
>why only dozens and not hundreds
Because they have a limited amount of coroners. Luckily, humans invented extrapolation.
>Luckily, humans invented extrapolation.
You can easily extrapolate that the bullet wounds in each body killed the other remaining 300.
You can, if you want to play ignorant.
And if you don't, you'll ask yourself why doesn't Ukrainian side release the actual numbers of victims per cause - the only thing which got out is a snippet about "dozens killed by artillery" leaked by a third party. It stands to reason that this data would undermine the Ukrainian narrative about mass executions.
Ukraine could slaughter every last vatnik and vatnik sympathiser and no one would believe you morons. And that is the correct way of the world.
>doesn't matter if you are right
>we still brainwashed people enough they won't believe you
I know. That's exactly why we fight.
It does not matter because russians are subhumans and deserve genocide.
Fight all you like, the time will come when there is no longer russians remaining.
Perhaps, but you won't live to see it.
It just means that I fell fulfilling my holy purpose.
God will reward me for my faith.
What are you going to do about it? Rape another child?
My plan is to wait for 50-60 years until he dies, since he won't have the balls to do anything.
>Fever dream is to think that Ukrainian artillery shelling Bucha didn't kill people
Proofs that Ukrainians shelled Bucha?
>Because they have a limited amount of coroners. Luckily, humans invented extrapolation
>I will pull more shit out of my butthole and present it as facts
https://t.me/irpin_b_politik/2099
>Artillery clearly is hitting armed forces outside the city
I don't think you're showing what you're suggesting you're showing.
Ok, is that good enough for you?
Literally on the same street where most bodies were found.
https://nitter.it/antiwar_soldier/status/1511493488621281282#m
>And we have autopsy reports saying these people died to artillery shrapnel
>when presented with any information first instinct for vatniks is pulling nonsense out of their butthole.
Every time.
>It's Ukraine that massacred those innocent pro-russian civilian!
>It was Ukrainian guerrillas hiding as civilian!
>It's Ukrainian artillery shrapnel!
one more?
>different people can die from different causes
Whoa.
>not one of those causes is a Russian, he a good boy he dindu nuffin
>not one of those causes is a Russian
One of the causes you just mentioned yourself explicitly attributes murders to Russians, you moronic monkey overdosing on sarcasm.
>and were executed only after Russians established that they were indeed war criminals.
Executing war criminals without court trial (can be field court trial) is war crime itself. Its hilarious how whatever orcs do they end up proclamating commiting warcrimes. They are not smartest one.
Of course orcs didn't have any trials because they just try to backdate justify their murders.
Didn't say what Russians did was legal, you mong, don't get so defensive.
But now their actions are understandable from an ethical point of view, and more importantly, it disrupts the narrative of innocent civilians who dindunuffin and were killed by genocidal orcs just for being Ukrainians. Ukrainian insurgents died for being unrepentant war criminals, not protected neither by laws for civilians now by laws for PoWs.
Only thing i hear is that russians should all be genocided without trials
>But now their actions are understandable from an ethical point of view
>we have to save the innocent donbabweans who are bravely defending themselves from ukrainian aggression!
>we have to kill the murderous bucha residents who are cowardly defending themselves from the russian liberators!
No, I do not understand their point of view at all.
On the other hand, it makes more sense if they simply didn't care at all, just like they don't care about sending inaccurate anti-ship missiles at population centers.
They thought they were there to stay and the population was clearly not pro-russian at all. They were nervous, poorly trained soldiers who started realizing that the population was more likely to give away their position to the ZSU than to welcome them with flowers.
Defending your country is respectable.
Defending your country while being a non-uniformed illegal combatant and pretending to be a civilian is a gross violation of the laws of war, because you are provoking your enemy into retaliating against actual innocent civilians. If you don't understand it, I hope you will never end up in a war, because you'll most likely get some bystanders killed by the time you get your well-deserved bullet to the head.
>russkies are already raping and killing toddlers
>IF YOU FIGHT BACK YOU ARE WAR CRIMINAL BECAUSE IT END UP GETTING SOME COLLABORATOR KILLED
Frick off
>russkies are already raping and killing toddlers
Funny thing you mention it today of all days, because the deposed head of Ukrainian Human Rights Committee was just interrogated by Ukrainian police, and she admitted to just making up these stories for propaganda:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/
yes russians totally aren't raping pillaging subhumans
>soldier's shoes have square noses
>mayor's ones are rounded
are you Black folk for real
Who cares about that? It is in russian nature to rape toddlers, so if they are not caught red handed it just means that they managed to hide it this time.
>citing pravda
Top kek
It's very suspicious of you to doubt Ukrainian media, please apply for kremlinbot reeducation.
Invading other country with goal of conquest Is war crime itself. BTW during Nuremberg trials top nazis were incrimenated exactly that crime: staring agressive offensive war. Also btw Russian criminal code says participation in such war is 15 years of jail.
>I killed the population because they didn't like me destroying their homes and killing their countrymen!
>pretending to be a civilian
They WERE civilians, you mong. They were the residents of the city. Why can't you understand that occupying foreign land and killing people is bad, and that the population is right in defending themselves against you?
You can't break in someone's house, kill their family members, hold the rest hostage and then complain when they hate you and try to get you to frick off or kill you.
>They WERE civilians, you mong
You can't be serious.
No, anon, armed people actively participating in the fighting during a war are NOT civilians.
>War
>Special military operation
Pick one.
Being a partisan against an invading power is the natural and moral thing to do
It is also a very illegal thing to do.
Frick around if you are so inclined, but don't b***h when you find out.
>It is also a very illegal thing to do.
Hmmm i wonder if a single vatnik in history said anything like that when talking to russians themselves.
Not illegal at all.
Russia is not at war, so killing them is completely legal and fine.
Just in case you are actually dumb and not just baiting, Geneva convention doesn't make this distinction and applies to any armed conflict.
Russians were unarmed so killing them was fine.
But it was Ukrainians who died?
I guess that would explain KiA numbers published by Ukraine, they just posthumously declare fallen Ukrainians to be Russians. Death is a treason.
No no, you misunderstand.
It is always legal to kill russians because it is not a war. It is a pest control.
they have been doing this all along
>hey you! pull over i want your car and iphone
>frick off
shoots the Kievan citizen
>he was russian spy all along!
>Be Russia
>Arrest anyone who calls the conflict a war
>Kill civilians wherever, whenever for whatever
>Complain that the people you invaded aren't following the rules of war
Yes, they really are this moronic.
>Defending your country while being a non-uniformed illegal combatant and pretending to be a civilian is a gross violation of the laws of war
You're going to have a hard time justifying that line of thought on a predominantly American website, buddy. Entire point of the 2nd Amendment is so that the U.S. citizenry can kindly tell invaders to go frick themselves (when it isn't about telling the government to go frick themselves).
I don't think Hague would accept this explanation, anon.
My point is that you aren't arguing with anyone from Hague, you're arguing with primarily American randos who think you're moronic and see no issue with irregulars shooting at the morons invading their country because such behavior is deeply engrained into American national history.
Ah, that's what you mean. I don't intend to educate the barbarians, I just like to see them mad.
>when it isn't about telling the government to go frick themselves
Well they aren't doing a very good job on this front either, so I'm just going to assume it's all a massive larp and American Wolverines would just roll over and surrender.
>commiting war crimes is understandable from an ethical point of view
Orcs would be orcs. And would be proud of it.
>committing war crimes against war criminals is not understandable
Eye for an eye, anon.
>walked past the russian lines
>dug a 45 ft trench
>Shot 300 people
>Put them in said trench
>Lit random bodies of women on fire
Truly Ukranian are the best of the best to pull this off.
>past the russian lines
Those graves weren't anywhere close to "past the russian lines". They were basically inside the city which Russians controlled.
>no conspiracy required at all
They presented satellite pictures of those people being already dead in the streets back when Russians still controlled the city.
>we couldnt shoot any civilizans, we werent 100% in control of the city yet !
lmfao. see
>no conspiracy required
>presents a convoluted, completely impossible conspiracy as a retort
Woah!
And here one can witness the classic vatnik defense mechanism when confronted with its own shit: lie, deflect and project. Like clockwork. Fun fact: after Katyn was exposed the first round response ranged from "WE DINDU NUFFIN'" to "da nazi crackas did dat shit!". They tried to even pin that on nazi warcrimes at Nurnberg trials.
I am very glad you despicable parasites are getting fully exposed for what you truly are in your frick up of the century with the botched attempt to annex, enslave and exterminate ukraine. It will take a while for the illusion of WW2 to fully dispel among westerners but the seeds have been firmly grounded. Now you are seen as the asiatic plague threatening european civilization that you have always been
cope hohol
>the destruction of suburban communities
Suburbs are bad and should be destroyed.
>Ukrainans say
Okay so we can rule out KH-22.
>Ukrainian airforce says
>all sides lie! there is no truth! Russia didnt invade!
Fricking russians and their fricking propaganda, it's such fricking bullshit.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation in an aggressive war. I hope more russian soldiers die.
Even with Ukraine being a bunch of corrupt pricks, this is the correct view. Frick Ukraine, but frick Russia more.
Frick yeah. A friend of mine bought into that "the media is lying to us!" bullshit. His wife is divorcing him over it and his daughter is getting back at him by fricking Black folk.
Who really loses here? Him, or daughter that is so delusional to go frick Black folk just for that reason, life must be a joke for her..sad
Both, but especially him.
>hohols say
discarded. What are their evidence?
>Russia invaded a sovereign nation in an aggressive war.
good
>With a CEP of up to 5km
High-precision weapons for vatBlack folk.
How many people did r*ssian kill this time? Several hundred?
Why the West want save Pootin face and not turn snowgeria into radioactive wasteland?
wow, if that happens to be true, then the russians must be completely out of precision weapons
Again?
Not "again", it's "still" you giantic gaylord.
It does not mean they are out of precise missiles
It means that they need to launch Kh-22 or cut them
They have been using Kh-55s and Kh-22s for weeks now.
Have they depleted their caliber stockpiles?
"Depleted" is a dangerous call to make, but it certainly looks like they're low enough that they've reached the point of using anything else when they think they can take the target with it.
I doubt even Russians are that moronic.
Most likely they still keep at least 100-200 pieces in stock "just in case".
I know they treat Ukraine as "the great patriotic special military operation during peacetime" but even they wouldn't be dumb enough to spend all of their new cruise missiles on it and hope nobody else gets any ideas.
Probably majority of what they are willing to spend in ukraine or are able to move over there.
Not quite, but they're using P-700 Granit's in the gaps of reduced Kalbir's.
They probably have a doomsday reserve of Kalibr's in case they have to fight somebody else, but P-700's aren't that great either.
The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves
CNN said that Osama did it because he sent out messages to them and other media to claim the deed. You know, like terrorists love to do. It was planned, yes. Planned by Al Quaida.
Bin Laden wasn't unknown prior to 9/11. He was probably the only terrorist any American could name and he/AQ were easily the #1 suspect in anyone's mind.
and the miracle of the ID's of the terrorists landing safely on the ground where investigators found them and KNEW they weren't rando civvy's stuff?
You misspelled Mossad
It wasn't a "surprise". We knew al Qaeda had slipped people into the U.S. to attack targets. We just didn't know specifically who they were or what the target was.
A few years before 9/11 I remember news articles about an al Qaeda sleeper cell being busted in North Carolina. They were running low-tax cigarettes up to NYC to make money while they planned their attacks.
>Ukrainian air force
Kek what airforce?
This one.
So this is what ISIS-American tactics taught to Ukraine by HATO looks like.
There is literally patch with Allahu Akbar on Russian military women above in threat
>Trying to compare/associate a theological based terror group with Ukrainian sovereignty defending it's territory from invaders.
And Russia wonders why they're losing the propaganda war.
for a minute there, I lost myself, I lost my se~lf...
While different ideologically, they are identical in behavior.
Funny thing, actually. You know how Google translate uses neural networks to perform high-quality context-aware translation?
Well a few years ago this neural network started translating your typical Ukrainian posts - like this one, where they are doxxing a "traitor" hospital worker for not quitting her job in an Russian-captured town - in a way befitting an ISIS propaganda material, to the point the best translation it finds for the word "occupier" is "kafir" - "infidel". And it's not a one time thing, that's a consistent context-aware translation for Ukrainian rants. And it didn't even start with the current war - it worked the same way when Ukrainians were talking about occupation of Crimea.
An unbiased machine built by the best AI specialists in the world can't tell the difference between an Ukrainian patriot and an ISIS militant.
Nice usage of 'Inspect element', homosexual
Try it yourself, Black person.
https://twitter.com/Cellodidas89/status/1532296715436441601
Alright, that's pretty cool. Still doesn't excuse russia's and russians' existence.
Notice how it translates the word "occupiers" correctly:
https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=ru&text=%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8&op=translate
But context-aware "Russian occupiers" instantly turns into "Russian infidels":
https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=ru&text=%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%96%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8&op=translate
As I said, literal ISIS, AI approved.
Beheading on camera, car bombs, terrorist attacks, public beatings of tied-up criminals to death and all the other wonders of a third world goatfricking "freedom fighters".
Feel free to get the frick out then.
>As I said, literal ISIS, AI approved.
>Beheading on camera, car bombs, terrorist attacks, public beatings of tied-up criminals to death
Based, based, based and based. White nationalist "ISIS" is nothing but based you pearl clutching commie homosexual.
ISIS is an irregular unit of the American army, I don’t know who you wanted to shock with the support of your troops.
I 100% support throwing vatniks off rooftops and stoning them.
This, ditto for gays, furries, and people who don't return their carts
Return to traditional ways.
I'm that anon you're replying to, and if this is the best you can do, you'll never win the information war.
Works fine for real languages.
Я нe пoнимaю твoй coбaчий нeдoязык, нo я 100% пoнял, чтo ты нaциcтcкий лгбт-пидop.
Speak real language, please.
Nobody understends you HIV steppe Black person monkey
wait is destroying a drone considered suicide
It is to the drone
I like how the last words of a man before hitting are:
"Yep, UAV"
"Is it ukrainian one?"
"Obviously not!"
"Boooom"
"Yebat!!!"
>chinese drone from alibaba
>still lightyears ahead of anything russia can deploy
>chrome front wheel
are they trying to get blacks to buy em?
>fast as a bicycle
>russians still can't do shit about it
frickig lmao
Bro, my brother flies RC planes that are more expensive than that. That's the Ukrainian air force? fricking hell.
Does your brother blow up Russian refineries?
You're taking some morons post as proof of anything?
>my brother flies RC planes that are more expensive than that. That's the Ukrainian air force?
And Russians are losing to that, lol
>Proceeds to explodes 50,000 Liters of diesel and ammunition
Really good drones
Does your brother use his expensive planes in kamikazi attacks against Soviet refineries? No? Well, then, spending a fricking fortune on a non-disposable airplane is probably worth it to him.
For a single-use remotely piloted missile that's gonna be blown into scraps after twenty minutes of use, cheap is good.
A 1 megaton nuke carried on a Kh-22 has a fireball radius of 1 km and does moderate damage in a 7 km radius, going by https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/. So being off by 5 km from the aircraft carrier's not too bad.
But they're using conventional warheads and shooting them at targets in a city....
They must be more accurate than that. The convention warhead they're equipped with is a giant HP HEAT shell.
The conventional versions have active radar homing, but nuclear and land attack ones are INS only.
>hmm, zis new high explosive anti-tank shaped charge zertainly is impressive, hand. Ve shall shape ze future of war here today!
>of course Bernd, ze varhead shall only be fired at ze armoured target ja. No-one vould be dumbkopf enough to use anti-armour charge against unarmoured thing like greengrocer or shop instead of say, ordinary HE-FRAG, zat would just be disgusting
There is "Allahu Akbar! Russians have come!" words on russian patch,,,
What was point in fighting ISIS if they kill civilians and name themselves with Allahu Akbar??
It is very logical to destroy US irregular troops and praise God.
Here your anti-nazi squad.
lel
Dios Mio, la creatura de moskau…
A real frickin ogre
That guy needs better hormone therapy if he's gonna try to pass.
Welp I guess we'll have to give the Ukrainians ATACMS and long range cruise missiles so they can take out the russian air bases.
There are photos from inside Mall.
I have no will to post them here, so
https://t.me/c/1476885457/1772255
>Message in a private group or channel.
>This link will only work if you are a member.
>Message in a private group or channel.This link will only work if you are a member
If you homosexuals want me to feel bad for your country, you are doing a shitty job at it.
I owe you nothing, agressive kurwa, you may feel bad for the Devil fricking your ass and I won`t feel anything about it
IDK how to make you able to see it, if not, so it be, they are dead civilians and it is hard to see
The Russians hand you a war crime to make the world see how shitty they are on a silver plate and your cuckegram channels squander it by playing muh internet sekkrit club. Sad!
https://t.me/military_u
Enter it and see
What is the name of the telegram channel?
>russians are not running out of precise missiles!
>have to use fricking anti-ship missile against land target
>miss anyway
>and do not even manage to do significant damage against a fricking shopping mall
Lol
Lmao even
second strongest military in the world, please understand
I have different question. How the frick their newest Kaliber missile managed to fricking miss the target as it was yesterday. 3 hit the target and the last one missed fricking 50 meters, one came after another so there is no false flag common argument
because the reports about faulty missiles are true and russian electronics reliability is dogshit
Oh, I fricking lied!!!
2 (!!!) missed their targets, one came into rooftop and other landed in kindergarten
how the frick russians manage to frick everything up, it just caricature kind of shit
>Pic
>This kindergarten is real fortress, nothing can destroy it.
>KH-22 can
>GRAD!
>GRAD!
>GRAD!
Don't you know? Ukrainian Shopping Malls are heavily reinforced to withstand Nuclear Blasts.
>and do not even manage to do significant damage
It killed 20 people seems like a good strike to me
Not the first time we have seen KH-22 being used
https://twitter.com/blueboy1969/status/1534622469486673920
https://twitter.com/RF200_NOW/status/1531562187419922432
Why is everybody showing shade at Ukrainian claims for no reason.
>showing shade
Khm-khm, I am sorry, they used Kh-22 a lot since the start of war
They are de-facto utilizing them on Ukrainian territory, they would be cut apart anyway, the precision won`t even bother, evry place it lands may be declared Azov NATO base with HIMARS in it
>Why is everybody showing shade at Ukrainian claims for no reason.
You know why, they are vatniks.
>Missile Terror
Funny, Hitler did the same shit. Last V-2 fell on London a month before the end of Reich fell.
Isn't it so bad for Putin?
>that spacing
>just 2 more weeks
I see indeed that horseshoe theory is true for shills also.
remember when israelitekrainians did this exact same story verbatim and then russia had to release footage showing them hiding tons of MLRS under their store
No I don't.
I'm sure it has been memoryholed by ukrianian intelligence
I don't care about the mall, I'm lmaoing at russians using anti ship missiles against land targets.
If by "tons" you mean one being in the general vicinity of the mall, than yes.
>one being in the general vicinity of the mall
Photographs and video released by a Ukrainian show 2 grads and a loader truck being parked under that mall. It was a big controversy, the photographer got arrested. Anyone unaware of that strike and the details surrounding it is too unaware to participate in this discussion.
do you know where Kremenchuk is located on the map, you know how far that is from the front? why would the ukis hide vehicles there and not in a military installation?
Yes, we all remember your lazy fakes produced weeks after the fact.
no
>Hiding things in sieged Mariupol under a large area that can hold trucks
>Hiding things inside a 1 story supermarket that can't hold vehicles
Anon.
So how long it took Russians to switch from "it didn't happen" to "mall was intended target of a strike"?
I really don't.
The Kh-22 that landed mostly intact in Odessa some weeks ago was last serviced in 1991.
Yeah.
proofs that they were not civilian MLRS
they are going to get away with this one too
I cant think of many other nations that can cruise missile a busy mall to murder thousands of white civilians and still have their brethren buy resources from them
this is some evil shit lads
>military grade baby anuses
For those unaware, this isn't the first time the Russians have used Kh-22s against ground targets in this war, they've been used a lot in Kharkiv and Odessa.
But of course vatniks, in their infinite wisdom, claim-
>HOHOL FAKERY ANTI-SHIP MISSILES CANNOT BE USED ON GROUND TARGETS THIS IS JUST ARMA 3 FOOTAGE XAXAXAXAXAXA
-every time another one of these shitboxes drops because confronting the fact that they're relying on Soviet-era missiles shatters the propaganda line they've been fed of Russian guided munitions TOTALLY NOT running out and that THE HOHOLS ARE GETTING KALIBRATED AS WE SPEAK, THE EYEBROW IS BEING RAISED.
are all anti-ship missiles good for ground targets as well?
>are all anti-ship missiles good for ground targets as well?
No. It's pretty much like throwing blindly. These missiles are decades old junk designed to have a huge nuclear warhead on them to fire at a big target like a carrier. Not to hit precise targets in a city with conventional explosives.
The missile they're using will hit within 5 km of target 50% of the time. And 10km of the target 93% of the time
My god this is fricking hilarious - funniest war ever.
So this is the power of the world's second army.
>22/05
Uh, I share my birthday with that missile.
more nazi-israeli western propaganda
There is a factory right next to the mall. So it was either: 1) targeting error, 2) unlucky hit or 3) factory was hit but it caused a fire in the mall due to proximity. Pick one.
4) They were firing missiles with a city sized CEP at a city sized target and didn't give a shit where it landed.
i think thats the thing people dont really get about the russians. its not so much that they specifically try to hit civilian targets, they just dont give a shit if they do (miss, collatoral, accident mistake etc).
This is like the Bosnians mortaring their own market, its standard end-game play for CIA affiliated organizations. Not going to work everyone read those books.
Stfu Serb.
Welp, Russia bombed a place with 1,000 civilians in it.
What do we send to Ukraine to punish the Vatniks?
ATACMS and PrSM cruise missiles for himars. And allow Ukrainians to strike military targets in Russia/Belarus
I was thinking more like patriot.
Your blood
Couldn't be more edited if you tried katsapus.
Good suggestion, I'll speak to my doctor today.
I think I'm a universal donor and those poor ukranians probably need all the blood they can get
We should give them a JDAM to drop on moscow
Ukraine doesn't have planes that can make it to Moscow past Russian AA. We should send F-35s and volunteer pilots and mechanics for them, like the Flying Tigers. And then JDAM the Kremlin.
Miserable beasts, russians are scum, calling them scum is a insult to scum.
Why is Russia so anti-mall?
mall = capitalism
Can anyone translate the words on the black bit?
First line says compressed nitrogen; third is capacity; fourth is weight. Dunno any of the others.
It was photos of rockets that hit Odessa aweeks ago. The Ukrainian military said were Kh-22s. They also posted this scrap of rocket
It seems that there were so many victims because of the sale of ammunition and weapons. Poor Ukrainian LGBT activists..
>saved at 10:42am
Do you fricking live in Siberia?
Siberian prisoners forced to work at the troll farm went real quiet after this was posted
They've been using Kh-22s since at least May. Here's one from Odesa. The KH-22 uses the R-201 liquid fueled rocket engine. Here's a reference photo of the same engine.
Sources:
vk com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_2642440
http://www.b14643 de/Spacerockets/Specials/KB-Isayev_engines/index.htm
>ukranian air force reported
ok do we have anyone with a reputation to back this up or its just a feel good story?
Interesting fact is that their bombers are taking off farther and farther away. Apparently the Tu-22M3 took off from Kaluga (not far from moscow) and the other day they launched kalibr from the caspian sea.
That means their missiles stocks in closer airbases are running low and/or they are afraid /unable to run logistics to belgorod/Rostov/Belarus.
Ztards will argue it's not a big deal. But it is.
My guess is their stockpile of operational missiles is about 30% now and the replenishment rate isn't enough to sustain the OPTEMPO.
On the other hand, NATO supply chains are picking up (picrel is Nexter recruitment website focus on the Roanne factory where CAESAR and it's ammo is made. They are recruiting 47 full time people when last year it was supposed to close).
Shooting from further away would also magnify the inertial guidance inaccuracy when they fire these anti-ship missiles
>picrel is Nexter recruitment website focus on the Roanne factory where CAESAR and it's ammo is made. They are recruiting 47 full time people when last year it was supposed to close).
That's a fascinating little datum, anon
I checked other companies in France like MBDA, Nexter, Renault trucks defense. They are all recruiting (not en masse but all 50-100 production related) on factories that were closing/downsizing.
Russia stockpile of missiles/arty shells are difficult to evaluate, even them don't really know, KBP their main producer in 2013 were making 400 000 shells a year. And missiles come from different producers. I'd say at the start of the conflict they had 5000 kalibr, 100 kinzhal, and about 20000 other type of KH-type missiles, but not were functional.
Considering they used 2500-3000 kalibr in Ukraine, the 30% number I think is not far from reality.
Thanks for the estimate anon. What missiles do you think they have left? And how many?
>On the other hand, NATO supply chains are picking up (picrel is Nexter recruitment website focus on the Roanne factory where CAESAR and it's ammo is made. They are recruiting 47 full time people when last year it was supposed to close).
The Coffee Pot is percolating
Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
On June 27, in the city of KREMENCHUG, Poltava region, the Russian Aerospace Forces delivered a strike with high-precision air-based weapons on hangars with weapons and ammunition received from the United States and European countries, in the area of the Kremenchug plant of road vehicles.
As a result of a high-precision strike, Western-made weapons and ammunition, concentrated in the storage area for further shipment to the Ukrainian group of troops in Donbas, were hit. The detonation of stored ammunition for Western weapons caused a fire in a non-functioning shopping center located next to the plant.
>hohols lied again
no surprise here
>shoot with wildly inaccurate weapons in the general direction of (maybe) legitimate targets
>hit something
>draw target around the "something"
of 100% accuracy, comrade.
>Pro-American terrorists running around a burning warehouse
Russian dumb bombs deliberately hit another bakery of temperate LGBT activists.
Vatniks are really desperate to slide and bury this thread for some reason.
>vatnig doesn't understand tech, episode 9999
That fancy neural network mostly looks at existing translations to guess how groups of words should be translated, it does not understand the actual contents of the text.
>That fancy neural network mostly looks at existing translations to guess how groups of words should be translated
Exactly the point, idiot.
The groups of words used by Ukrainians fall into the same cluster as the ones used by ISIS, and so AI looks up to translations of ISIS texts when parsing Ukrainian nationalists.
Only when translating to so-called "Russian" though. Curious.
>oh no I got called out
>let me pretend I'm being ironic
>bot is malfunctioning
Huh, so not only google has problems with their ML models?
kh-22 is an anti-ship missile so how can it have a CEP of 5km? Yeah i'm gonna call for evidence on that one
Against sea targets they have radar to help guide the missile. Improving accuracy. Against land targets, you're using inertial guidance. Plus these missiles were designed to carry a nuclear warhead which makes it easier to score a hit even if you're off by kilometers. But they fitted the ones used with a conventional warhead
>Against land targets, you're using inertial guidance
Yeah, no
When it doesn't have a ship to lock on to, it's just using inertial guidance. 5km is too much even for that though.
Anyway, we have the official statement from Russia now. Rough translation below:
>the nearby factory was actually a weapons factory
>it was actually full of NATO and western weapons
>Russia deployed high-precision munitions to strike the factory and only the factory
>massive ammo cookoff destroyed the mall
Of course, this doesn't even address the fact that they didn't hit the factory. To borrow a comment from the Russian net:
>Insidious Ukrainians rebuilt the plant overnight
https://nitter.it/JughaFedayi/status/1541755126427287553#m
Video from security cameras posted, missile hit the intended target, a factory building. Mall was set on fire by secondary explosions from detonated ordinance Ukrainians stored near a civilian object.
Bros, how could it be, I can't believe hohols lied again. No way. Shaking and crying right now.
Remember, Russia prepped for this in the Syrian conflict. They gave themselves carte blanche to do whatever they want in Ukraine with no reprisal. Nukes were a mistake.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-warcrimes-convention/russias-putin-revokes-geneva-convention-protocol-on-war-crimes-victims-idUSKBN1WW2IN
Not going forward with Opetation Unthinkable was a mistake