>The U.S.

>The U.S. has not built new Abrams tanks since the early 1990s. With the Cold War over, thousands of Abrams that were built to fight the Soviet Union were put into storage, according to Dean Lockwood, a military vehicle analyst with Forecast International.
>These days, defense contractor General Dynamics remanufactures Abrams tank hulls for the U.S. Army and allies in Lima, Ohio. The overhauls produce “essentially a spanking brand-new tank for about half price,” Lockwood said.
>Currently, the U.S. has about 8,000 Abrams, but “significantly less” are battle-ready, he said. The U.S. draws from those tanks in storage and remanufactures them for allies, such as Poland, which is buying upwards of 350 Abrams.

Why is nobody talking about the fact that America's main battle tank is an artifact from a bygone era of technology and that the US is unable to produce new ones. What is the strategic significance of giving these to third parties if the pool is limited and cannot be replenished? Is this a good idea, strategically speaking?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    We getting the Abrams X instead

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Abrams X is not happening

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this
        it's the MBT70 all over again, the M1 will be the tank version of the B52, so we will likely see M1s on Mars

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          M1s armed with M2s and crewmen armed with M4s on the red planet.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sadly this. It's a tech demonstrator and nothing more.
        >this is what we COULD make but won't because the Armata is a parade float
        >M1A2 SEP500 to Mars it is

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are more confirmed operable AbramsX right now than there are T14s

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Our MBT is still decades ahead of what our enemies can field, and our air force is categorically superior to all of our enemies put together.

    Including your worthless nation, piyavka

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Type-99 is hands down more impressive than the original Abrams and would wipe the floor with it. While perhaps not superior to the current M1 variants, there are far more of them and the M1 would take heavy losses in any major war with such an opponent, and, key fact here, while the US hasn't produced new units of its 43 year old tank in years and cannot produce them, China's 19 year old tank has been pumped out in huge numbers, with more updated models than the US has for the new M1 variant.

      The US is Russia in the 90s-00s, coasting on old stockpiles and knowhow, but having lost all ability to actually keep up with these as rivals dramatically outpace it in production.

      China quite literally produced 100 times more large seafaring vessels than the US did last year. The US can't even maintain its existing fleet without extensively using foreign dockyards, let alone large scale increases in production. China will soon produce more tonnage than the rest of the world combined by contrast.

      Your decadent country is over. You will bend the knee. Your women will flock to men who can actually produce. Men who actually have discipline and pride, purpose and vision, instead of decadent party boys and incel man children. They will come over to our side, the desire for Big Chang Wang compelling them, while you just OD on more fentanyl or shoot yourselves / a daycare up in impotent rage.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's over
        I am demoralized.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >unironic chinese shill
        Black person, china ain't shit lmao.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Impressive. With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese monocrystal turbines, plasma stealth technology, quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified world.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >IMPLESSIVE

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >while you just OD on more fentanyl or shoot yourselves / a daycare up in impotent rage
        Don't they barge into daycares with knives and start cutting off children's noses and ears in China as their version of a mass shooting?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >While perhaps not superior to the current M1 variants, there are far more of them
        There aren't though

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean the same tank, with the leaked technical manual that revealed that it was known that approximately half of all ammunition had been manufactured in the wrong dimensions, and included a section on how to hammer it into the breech?
        The same tank that also fires sabots with 1960s tier penetration performance?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not even counting the space force and whatever black magic UFO tech they have.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Air is king

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are not making more because thousands of unused hulls in perfect condition are still there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Spend 30 years trying to make a light tank
      >Fail with some abomination

      Why didn't they just buy these?

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the US is unable to produce new ones
    what makes you say that
    do you really need more tanks when you have 8000 of them already

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They can still make more, but decided to stop production because we made too many. There are thousands of them in storage waiting to be upgraded and activated. The U.S. is focusing on a new tank at this moment.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    With all their losses Russia needs about 30 years of T90 production at the current rate to catch up with the US.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or it just needs vassalage to China and a bit of their production rates to be fair.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia is capable of churning out hundreds of T-90 per year
    lol

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If this was true we would have seen them at the parade. Where we saw zero. No they're not at the front either.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The US probably has the biggest tank stockpile in the world now that all the russian soviet junk got blown up, what's the point in making more?

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that the US is unable to produce new ones.
    Where does it say that?

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    oh, it's you again
    BTFO in two treads back-to-back and going double or nothing?
    At least you're no longer spouting shit from the War Thunder aviation forums.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >unable to produce new ones
    I dont get that talking point. It's not a fricking spacecraft, they arent building new ones because they already have more than they need.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      We don't have a line for hulls currently. However if needed the US would probably just develop a new tank.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That too.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only part of the line that doesn't exist is the initial steel forming, the rest exists because it's all needed for modernisation.
        Making hulls is probably the easiest part to ramp up, you just dump steel into moulds that were kept around since the original production.
        Anyone that says otherwise is literally a moron.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Steel Uranium hulls are probably a bit more difficult than that, but the same principle applies, and we know they're able to make them out of if steel too

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any situation where the United States has lost even half the number of it's Abrams as Russia has of its armor over the past year and a half is uniroincally close to a "muh nooks" situation.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because if we need more, we might as well design a newer, modern tank.

    >Lost technology
    We can build the Booker which has electronics decades ahead of the Abrams due to not being confined to a chassis made in the 80s.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Abrams is half-century old tech. We are more than happy to hand them out at this point if it means more zigger death.
    It's hilarious that that vatniks regard it as some sort of cutting edge Western technology, though that's understandable considering that everything that they field is antiquated Soviet garbage.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There a big fuss a couple of years ago where Congress made the Army take new tanks they didn't want/need to keep the production line alive.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Since the Detroit plant was shut down no new ones have been made, since the 1990's really

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Start making a shitload of tanks to take on the USSR
    >USSR collapses
    >Have thousands of top-of-the-line tanks to fight an enemy that no longer exists and can barely keep themselves intact
    It's easy to find the number of about 10k abrams built, but do we know how many more unbuilt hulls there are? or were all of them finished up to a point and then put in storage to make the activation/refurbishment process easier?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      my understanding is that 10k hulls is all there is

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is nobody talking about the fact that America's main battle tank is an artifact from a bygone era of technology
    In terms of design modern western tanks have more or less reached where they want to be on the triad of armor, firepower, speed, going for a bigger number is just going to increase the tanks weight to an untenable amount. That doesn't mean tanks are stagnant, just that improvements are in optics, computers, cameras, comms, networking, active protection and so on.
    Look at the K2 and it exemplifies the problem of a "new" tank in that it isn't much more than an 80's tank with all the modern add-ons. Until we see a game changer technology like a new armor or main weapon, don't expect a new hull design to seriously outperform the current.
    >and that the US is unable to produce new ones.
    They absolutely can. The reason General Dynamics remanufactures tanks only to put them into storage is not only to keep the reserve up to date but also to keep the plant running and the workers employed to smooth over full reactivation.
    >What is the strategic significance of giving these to third parties if the pool is limited and cannot be replenished? Is this a good idea, strategically speaking?
    Hard to tell but the US already has way more tanks than their army can support, like 2-1 and it is in their best interest to prop up allied nations. The modern battlefield also doesn't rely on tank spam the way it used too.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the strategic significance of giving these to third parties if the pool is limited and cannot be replenished?
    so i can take a look at them when im doing my daily groceries

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think the next big western tank will mirror the leo 1 concept except with APS.
    Armor it only against autocannons and rely on APS for full size cannons and missiles/rockets
    Obviously this requires APS to mature

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think that the overall armor weight will decrease much, but it will be redistributed back to the sides, engine deck and turret roof due to the increased FPV and top attack missile threats. APS will be standard issue too, but I really doubt MIC boomers will ever let go of the last layer of the survivability onion

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      the trends with the next generation tanks are obvious
      >massive focus on sensors and sensor fusion
      >integrated drone launch capability
      >NERA and new composite armor
      >programmable ammunition autocannons

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        forgot to add APS

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >massive focus on sensors and sensor fusion
        Not something that requires a huge amount of size or weight
        >programmable ammunition autocannons
        Why do this on a tank instead of an IFV?
        I think they'll be mobile EWAR assets focused on mobility and producing a lot of power.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    we can make more we just don't need to, and it saves alot of money to not bother when our stockpiles are worth 10x all of our neer peers combined by dint of not being morons/ understanding what they're for

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. 8,000 Abrams is enough to exterminate every non-US-allied nations tank fleet in the world several times over.
    2. The production line is mothballed. And the refits are being paid for to make sure the trained workforce remains, too. So if there was need to produce new ones, they could restart the line in a matter of days.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all that greentext and no source
    Get fricked, newbie.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >building hordes of tanks from the 70s
    If there's going to be mass production of new tanks, it should be an actual new tank designed around current threats. Not just a tank designed when the original star wars was new with some extra tacticool bolted on.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    We still produce all the complex internal components in order to keep the existing fleet running. The only thing we don't currently make are hulls, which are stupid easy to produce. If we need more tanks, we'll just start new hull production lines.

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