The thing that surprised me the most during this war is the virtually non-existent Russian air force.

The thing that surprised me the most during this war is the virtually non-existent Russian air force. We're talking about a country that self-made and exported a large portion of the world's military aircraft for decades. Now the only kind of air support I've seen from them these days are helos and drones.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the fact that they ran out of AKs to hand their donbabwe soldiers in fucking March is an even bigger indicator of the kind of shithole Russia really is. "Running out of AKs" is a pretty low fucking place to be for even an african warlord

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this isn't fact
      this is some bullshit you happily swallowed

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        then why are they handing out nuggets to the newly mobilized blood offerings?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Comedic purposes. It's like Battle Royal, sometimes you get the Uzi, sometimes you get the frying pan.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    SU-57 will be deployed and bring it all under control.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mein Führer...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't there actually a scene in the movie where Hitler boasts about upcoming luftwaffe wunderwaffe and how it is going to turn the tide? Been a long time since i last watched Downfall, need to get around to it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Isn't there actually a scene in the movie where Hitler boasts about upcoming luftwaffe wunderwaffe and how it is going to turn the tide?
          that'sthejoke.jpeg

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're being kept in reserve for a broader repetition of the Feb 24th invasion. Russia has also kept its transport Helicopter fleet far away from the frontlines.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a broader repetition of the Feb 24th invasion
      Russia physically cannot amass 150,000 professional troops anymore, the 1st Guards Tank Army is shredded, as funny as it would be to see them try the same dumb shit again they simply can't.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the suffering of others isn't my concern.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We're talking about a country that self-made and exported a large portion of the world's military aircraft for decades
    Russia is not the USSR. Much of the advanced industrial base was in Ukraine.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even Algeria didn't want the crap they can actually produce in any numbers. Couple that with pilots who have fuck all flight hours and a metric shit load of AA in Ukraine and it makes a lot more sense.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They only didn't want the Migs. Algeria asked for more Su-30 instead

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians keep committing ISIS-American style war crimes by shooting down Russian planes, how are they supposed to fight in so unfair conditions?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vatmorons are in damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If they fly high, they will get fucked with still existing Ukrainian S-300 or BUK. Since Russians don't have enough PGM's, bombing from higher altitudes would mean shit accuracy and that makes CAS near own troops pretty fucked up proposal. If they fly low, there is plenty of MANPADS and AA-gun in Ukraine.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      can't they just use ballistic computers like in war thunder to make dumb bombs pretty accurate? maybe not for CAS but enemy bases/positions

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You need to be 18 to post here

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        CCIP/CCRP? They already use it. There's been a distinct lack of planes doing strategic or even operational bombing in this war.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what having no LO airframes/no dedicated SEAD mission does to a motherfucker. god their airforce is retarded.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia fucked up.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The have apparently done an average of 150 sorties per day, about 35,000 for the war.

    A number of times comments from Ukrainian at the front have complained of Russian air strikes and that they have no answer or protection from them.

    They are limited by S300 coverage, so probably can't actually do much more than low runs right at the front.

    We've seen them in action in Syria, and they had no qualms about carpet bombing avostal with TU-22m's.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >150 sorties a day
      Fuck me they're barely matching a single US carrier group

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm currently reading about the Iran-Iraq war and to put thst bumber into some perspective. The Iraqi air force sometimes managed 250-300 sorties a day.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *that number

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      More like 200 sorties a day

      https://i.imgur.com/0lNSw82.jpg

      The thing that surprised me the most during this war is the virtually non-existent Russian air force. We're talking about a country that self-made and exported a large portion of the world's military aircraft for decades. Now the only kind of air support I've seen from them these days are helos and drones.

      The stupid fucks don't have enough airfields, not enough trained pilots, not enough maintainers, spares, and guided weapons. They're reduced to lobbing basic bitch FAB iron bombs and the occasional chimp-out strike whenever they lose an important city or cruiser and Putin authorises the use of another Year's worth of guided missiles to show they're doing something.

      Justin Bronk at RUSI estimated they have about 200 to 300 aircraft in range of Ukraine. They can't bring more as they don't have more airfields, and in any case they don't have enough trained pilots. At peak they averaged maybe 1 sortie per day per aircraft, which is decent considering the fucked up state of the RuAF.

      To put that in perspective, picrel is the main US Navy contribution to Desert Storm's air campaign. Four carriers, ~200 combat aircraft flying strike, CAP and BDA. This doesn't count the massive land-based USAF armada or all those Coalition jets.

      That's what the RuAF is working off of in Ukraine - the 1991 USN Kido Butai.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >To put that in perspective, picrel is the main US Navy contribution to Desert Storm's air campaign.

        That was 31 years ago, and most of these ships and all of these aircraft are scrapped now. Why dont you go even further back in time and tell us about the US armada amassed for the invasion of Iwo Jima?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >coping this hard
          Yeah and they got replaced by even more effective ships and even more effective aircraft. Midway was built in 45 for fucks sake.

          The USA has three Nimitz-class nuclear powered carriers active and an LHA that can host thirty Lightnings anytime, and they can put out AND SUSTAIN more combat power than the RuAF has done 7 months out of the past 8. Most of this force was prowling around Taiwan recently, while one of the carriers was riding herd on the remnants of the Russian fleet in the Med.

          You're scraping barrel bottom Ivan if you're trying to compare dicks with the US Navy ALONE.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile NATO

    The campaign involved 1,000 aircraft operating from air bases in Italy and Germany, and the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt sailing in the Adriatic Sea. During the ten weeks of the conflict, NATO aircraft flew over 38,000 combat missions.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is that anything that could fly without having a 99.99% chance of being destroyed is insanely expensive and is meant for the total krieg with HATO. You also need to consider corruption and the famous Warsaw pact style of never touching the best equipment because if it gets broken, you wont get the next one.

    Anything more difficult than MIG-21 and SU-25 is extremely expensive to keep running.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mexico cancelled it's tender to replace their fighters with Su27s because they were actually dumbstruck with how poorly made they were. IIRC there was an attempt to acquire a variant full of Israeli and French tech, like India and Malaysia use but they decided to look at Gripens and the F18 instead. Mexico has had a really bad experience with commercial Sukhoi airliners and Russian helos not being well made and Russians not being able to supply new parts too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mexico cancelled it's tender to replace their fighters with Su27s because they were actually dumbstruck with how poorly made they were.

      No it was because of new american legislation that says that USA will fuck and harass anyone who decides to buy Russian military hardware. I think it was called "countering americas enemies act" or something like that. Malaysia also cancelled their planned purchase of SU-35 because of this.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This was in 2007. The US didn't care at the time. Mexico had just recently acquired a bunch of Russian helicopters at that time too.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mexico didn't even want those Russian helos. Russia defaulted on financed oil equipment it bought from Mexico in the 90s so had to pay it off by trading Mexico some of the aircraft meant for the Russian Air Force.

          [...]

          Russia could not make the agreed upon payments to Mexico in either US dollars or Mexican pesos an alternative deal was brokered where Russia would settle the debt with a direct trade of vehicles and food products. Mexico was repaid with several dozen military helicopters, armored vehicles and multiple cargo vessels loaded with vodka and seafood. Much of the seafood spoiled in transit and the Mexican government refused to accept it. Russia agreed to pay the remainder of the balance with two Mi26 heavy lift helicopters. Russia agreed it would take back the spoiled seafood and dispose of it properly. Instead the food was dumped by Russian sailors off the coast of Cozumel where it damaged the local ecosystem. The odor of the several hundred tonnes of rotten fish could be detected on shore 5 kilometers away. Russia has since failed to supply vital parts for maintenance and repairs. Most of the Mexican fleet of Russian helicopters now sits unused. In active service, many have been replaced with American and European helicopters. In the long term, Mexico plans to replace all it's Russian helicopters with Mexican built helicopters. Russia has claimed that the maintenance contracts with Mexico are not valid as they were made by a previous administration.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Canada economic complexity
            wtf?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Canada isn't really that advanced. Most high industry in Canada has eroded away and been replaced with US imports.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Canada’s economy is an extension of the US economy, everything is centred on streamlining US manufacturing needs.
                Lockheed Martin has multiple Canadian companies that make components for the F35.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/bNWtU6I.jpg

        This was in 2007. The US didn't care at the time. Mexico had just recently acquired a bunch of Russian helicopters at that time too.

        FUCKING REKT

        Lol, have a nice day you retarded 4chanmoron.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        CAATSA was enacted a decade after Mexico cancelled their Sukhoi purchase. They put that money towards building a domestic line of frigates instead.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    According to Russian doctrine, deep strikes are done by missiles, and aviation is used for front line strikes. The deep strikes in Ukraine are usually Kh-22/32 liquid fuel propelled rocket glide bombs that are launched from Backfires or Tu-95s. These KH-22/32 are hulls from the 60s that have been long term stored (you can store a liquid fueled rocket in an unrefueled state for hundreds of years) and then upgraded with modern electronics.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >non-existent russian air force
    how can it be non-existent if it keeps crashing into apartment buildings
    checkmate
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russian-military-plane-crashes-into-residential-building-irkutsk-regional-2022-10-23/

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they always ask, "where is the russian air force?"
    >they never ask, "how is the russian air force?"

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Besides Russia's lack of well-trained pilots and poor maintenance record I feel a part of this is depletion of precision guided munition stocks. Why risk a 20-40 million dollar strike aircraft to lob a bunch of dumb bombs / rockets at a Ukrainian position that will probably hit next to nothing. Now days, if you don't have big stockpiles pgm's, you don't really have an effective air force in the ground support role.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's worth bearing in mind that the Russian airforce is basically operating independantly at the moment due to conflicting orders from the broader command structure.

    Their current mission seems to be avoiding AA so effectively that they crash inside Russia without being shot at.

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