The Second Apocalypse

Could it ever get made into a series or movie? Also, has anyone heard a peep from Bakker since the last book came out? And of course,
>Cast it
PS lit is full of gays

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only know this book from summaries and shit, I refuse to commit suicide by actually reading it.

    What's the fate of the 'good guy' army at the end, the mercenaries? They run out of food or something and have to eat orcs but it's bad for them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am half way through the first book but read up a bit on the lore already.
      It's cool how realistic it's approach to different humanoid races sharing one world is.
      That really adds to the horror factor. Also the explanation for why those different races exist and how they have fucked each other over in the past is also great.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not the end, it’s much worse but I won’t spoil it here

      I’m 80 pages from finishing the first book and I feel like not much has really happened..? I like the characters and the setting is fascinating but I think I could write the whole story on a napkin. Does it pick up pace in later installments?

      Yes and no, depending on the POV character. A lot happens but there’s also more of the philosophical dialogue. But there is much more exciting exchanges and action along with the ideas and subtext.

      https://i.imgur.com/P4nC2bh.png

      >Could it ever get made into a series or movie?

      There’s the rub, right? I can picture such incredible things while reading it but I imagine also how I could direct it, frame the shots, what music would be playing, et cetera to really elevate it to a visual/audio experience. At the same time I know there’s no way it would be adapted accurately or even in good faith if it even would get adapted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the fate of the 'good guy' army at the end, the mercenaries? They run out of food or something and have to eat orcs but it's bad for them?
      They start eating Sranc until they themselves become completely meatcrazed.
      At some point the aliens detonate a nuclear bomb, annihilating both Srancs and a good share of the Ordeal, throwing the Ordeal into meat withdrawal. T
      hey kill, eat and rape (not in that order) the fraction of the Ordeal that got radiation poisoning and start coming to their senses after that
      Then they siege the alien spaceship, almost win but Kellhus is revealed to actually be possessed by an evil God and is killed when his own son dispels his possession
      His son is then thrown into the No God sarcophagus, and the entire ordeal is destroyed, starting the Second Apocalypse.

      The last phrase of the book is
      >So did the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus perish in salt and butchery.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/EouUKEb.jpg

        >one of the main plot points is how one faction can no longer reproduce![/ spoiler]
        truly the lord of the rings for modern society

        No God trilogy fucking when what is that Canuck hack even doing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's raising his daughter and refuses to write while doing so

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, I'll allow it. Pynchon did the same thing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That chart is inaccurate, because salvation is a near-impossibliity for almost everyone on Earwa.

        I hope that advances in AI will allow a smaller studio with a faithful vision of this series to make it, which means not shying away from the violence,
        the philosophical tone and heavy worldbuilding.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Esme, Kellhus and Proyas
        >Salvation
        lol
        LMAO

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >reading The Darkness That Comes Before for the first time
        >it's like 11:30 pm because I want to finish the book and there's so little left now
        >the first skin-spy is introduced and it goes all The Thing on Achamian's face
        Jesus Christ

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Chorae are definitely on the side of salvation lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Literally created under the will of the Inchoroi
          >Salvation

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why does Mimara see her chorae as holy then?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Women are dumb

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The artifacts are holy whatever their origin. The Judging Eye sees clearly that they bring evenness to the real world that the Ciphrang and vile Sorcerors seek to distort.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They weren’t created by tekne though, but by a now extinct nonmen school of magi who didn’t care about the war and just wanted to see how far they could push the limits of sorcery

            NOOO IF WE GIVE YOU THE DOWNLOAD LINKS YOU ARE STEALING BREAD FROM BAKKER'S MOUTH

            He can just Bakk more bread

            I got you bro
            >Seswatha is an extremely powerful gnostic sorcerer from the school of Sohonc, he is originally from a city in the ancient norsirai kingdom of kuniuri, which is ruled by Anasurimbor Celmonas, Kellhus’ ancestor.
            >When Anasurimbor dies, he tells Seswatha an Anasurimbor will return at the end of the world and starts the prophecy. Also his son, Anasurimbor Nau-cayuti was captured and put into the sarcophagus and became the first no-god; all this happens early into the first apocalypse
            >Years later the northern kingdoms have been destroyed and Seswatha has fled south to the Ketyai nation of Kyraneas, ruled by Anaxophorus (who secretly has stolen the heron spear). Eventually, assured of their victory, the consult and no-god are goaded out into an open decisive battle by Seswatha and Anaxophorus and Anaxophoras blasts the no-god with the laser from the heron spear and ends the apocalypse.
            >the sranc are driven back but 11 years of war, disease, stillbirths, and famine cause the kyranean empire to collapse and there is no nation strong enough to finish off the consult for good (Kyraneas devolves into warring states and there’s basically a Bronze Age collapse like in our world, eventually the ceneian empire rises and conquers the three seas in the early Iron Age. The Ceneians are basically the romans and when they eventually collapse except the western half which evolves from a vestigial rump state into an empire of its own, this is the modern empire of Nansur.

            Continuing:
            >Nansur then loses its western half to the fanim from the desert who establish their Padirajah (caliphate basically) in the extreme west by the desert and mountains. Meanwhile in the eastern three seas Norsirai refugees and barbarian invaders from the north have migrated into depopulated, formerly ceneian lands and established Galeoth and ce tydonn. Conriya and high ainon are still ketyai majority as former ceneian regions, I don’t know much about Conriyan society but it’s where Proyas and Xinemus are from and their knights wear cool silver masks into battle so there’s that.
            >High Ainon has a very strict caste and class system like India and has become increasingly decadent. They also control the chanv and Hispanice trades from the east and a small minority of xiuhanni (basically asians, the lost tribe that never came to earwa in large numbers) live near there.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              One cool part about the SA setting is that it's almost definitely a 'fallen' setting, with a God with no forgiveness. In SA, Abraham (equivalent) slew Isaac (equivalent) instead of staying his hand.

              That said, it's obvious Bakker just thought that up to be cool, and did not extrapolate it to the current societal notion of blood sacrifice.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              then loses its western half to the fanim from the desert who establish their Padirajah (caliphate basically) in the extreme west by the desert and mountains. Meanwhile in the eastern three seas Norsirai refugees and barbarian invaders from the north have migrated into depopulated, formerly ceneian lands and established Galeoth and ce tydonn. Conriya and high ainon are still ketyai majority as former ceneian regions, I don’t know much about Conriyan society but it’s where Proyas and Xinemus are from and their knights wear cool silver masks into battle so there’s that.
              >>High Ainon has a very strict caste and class system like India and has become increasingly decadent.
              thanks, all this i remember. what about the Tusk, Inri, Bakker's Muhammad (whatever his name was) and the Fanim magic, could you give me a quick refresher on those two? does the 2nd series expand on these elements at all or is it all alien rapists

              Most of that stuff is in the appendices. Does no one read the appendices anymore?

              i remember the first trilogy had glossaries, i don't recall anything about appendices, let me check

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/EouUKEb.jpg

        >one of the main plot points is how one faction can no longer reproduce![/ spoiler]
        truly the lord of the rings for modern society

        right side is also damnation

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m 80 pages from finishing the first book and I feel like not much has really happened..? I like the characters and the setting is fascinating but I think I could write the whole story on a napkin. Does it pick up pace in later installments?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >reading for the plot
      smuganimegirl.png

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The shit really jumps off in the second one. I liked the first one but it's really there to introduce everyone and get the characters together.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The setting is more compelling than the characters. The characters are just a bunch of pastiches of people Bakker got mad at at his university, and the women characters are just the women in his life that prop him up and praise his silly bullshit and tell him he's a good boy.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Could it ever get made into a series or movie?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unwashed anuses

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The _honey_ of unwashed anuses

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Prince of Nothing
    Yeah probably, though it would most likely be a witcher tier shit adaptstion
    >Aspect Emperor
    Fuck no lmao

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >one of the main plot points is how one faction can no longer reproduce![/ spoiler]
    truly the lord of the rings for modern society

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has that sick fuck Bakker announced No-God yet?
    Bastard just left us hanging after that kino ending in TUC

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He probably wants to leave it there, because he's a nihilist psued.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The author must be a huge coomer I just read the part where a demon dude fucks the information out of a whore, just like on my hentis

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You've seen nothing yet. The second series far surpasses most hentai in depravity

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I read the Prince of Nothing books over 10 years ago and remember nothing of them except that it was kino.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cast him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bro from The Northman

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Travis Fimmel from Vikings, although I'm not sure he has the range to be this seemingly compassionate and expressive leader. He could certainly pull off the other aspects of Kellhus.

      The bro from The Northman

      Yeah Alexander Skarsgård, would be a strong contender.
      I don't know who the fuck you could get to play Cnaiur though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually, after watching him play a completely unhinged schizo in Raised by Wolves, I think Travis Fimmel could pull off Cnaiur

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He has the acting chops, but he's just a regular sized and too handsome.
          Cnaiur is big man for us and he's also pretty rugged. Pale skinned, light grey eyes and dark hair can all be fixed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aaron Taylor-Johnson for Kellhus, Henry Cavill for Cnaiur, Paul Giamatti for Achamian

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Giamatti with a tan would actually be great and he has the chops, but the other two are good but lacking in some way. Taylor-Johnson is good but lacks the physical stature to be Kellhus and I’m not sure Cavill could pull off the combination of insanity/rage/intelligence and intimidation of Cnaiur.

        https://i.imgur.com/5u6SQpU.gif

        >mfw Akka is finally described in The Warrior Prophet
        >he's a fat black guy
        Brava, Bakker!

        He’s not black, he’s a swarthy med, more like a chubby fictional Sicilian guy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't Cnaiur supposed to be in his late 40s? Cavill is too much of a smooth prettyboy.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't there cuck shit in this?
    If so I'm never reading it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      woketards actually tried to cancel him for featuring rape and having most of the female characters be prostitutes and he told them to fuck off.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >woman is raped
        >comes twice
        What did Bakker mean by this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, there is a wizard who is madly in love with literal prostitute and cries lying drunk before her door, while she is getting railed by her clients. But its no big deal, cause the whore has a heart of gold and only put out her pussy to cover the apartment bills. Oh, also shes like 30 yo and barren.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        PEACH

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dicky

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Author is a sick puppy. In the first book there is an empress fucking both her son and nephew at their tender age. And some passages about 10yo whores selling themselves at the camp of Bakky`s fantasy crusaders. I dread whats gonna be depicted in next tomes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes the main character cucks everyone

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the one series that could heal America and bring the culture war to an end by giving both sides something to hate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Isn't there cuck shit in this?
      If so I'm never reading it

      woketards actually tried to cancel him for featuring rape and having most of the female characters be prostitutes and he told them to fuck off.

      is what I mean.

      It doesn't fit the sensibilities of the le hecking based trads, because it isn't comfy and wholesome and unafraid to actually depict Evil as being Evil. And it doesn't fit the sensibilities of the woketards because women in the setting are objectively, metaphysically, inferior to men.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't mind evil being evil
        I just don't feel like reading a book and self inserting as a character only to be le HECKING cuckolded

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why are you so afraid of fictional cuckolding? If you pick up any book from medieval times or read story from ancient time, they are full of stories about men getting cucked. They are even more cruel than modern depictions, because in ancient times the cuck is portrayed as weak/villain and the cheating woman is depicted as smart

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It feels bad on a personal level if the main character is being cucked because as you read from the main characters perspective, assuming you're not an npc, you'll passively experience what they're experiencing through your imagination
            I don't feel like being cucked, so I don't like to read books where the mc gets cucked
            Simple as
            If you like feeling that then you can read those books it just bothers me viscerally

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the main character doesn't get cucked, but pov charactersdo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                akka is the main character, not khellus

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the author still completely off the grid? Has he posted anything in the last year?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      His bro tweeted he’s doing good a few months back

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Starring Eva Green as Esmenet
    Geoffrey Rush as Ikurei Xerius III

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I spent the 7 books imagining Achamian as Rincewind, even with the hat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mfw Akka is finally described in The Warrior Prophet
      >he's a fat black guy
      Brava, Bakker!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        small stubby cock too

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Achamian is literally an Armenian name. He's just a med

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's literally the wizard from Ugly Americans

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/a7Y2DGn.gif

      He's literally the wizard from Ugly Americans

      I picture Achamian like a swarthy Sicilian/Greek schlubby dude, like a browner Jack Black (in body type, build, height, et cetera, not personality or temperament) I just made this in face app and it’s close to what I see in my head.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's pretty good actually

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is perfect!

          Thanks bros, I had seen that headshot of Jack Black somewhere ages ago and It kept coming back to me whenever Bakker brings up his portly build and five fingers of gray in his beard.

          I'm honestly baffled. There's a perfectly good, civilized discussion on Bakker on fucking PrepHole of all places.
          The king of /sffg/ has conquered another board?

          Its nearly impossible to discuss books on lit. If you post about a novel in sffg, Instead of discussion you get:
          >it sucks! I spent my Barnes and noble gift card ordering the whole series and stopped reading 10 pages in, why did you guys recommend this shit
          >but what does the Hispanice do in Dune? I don’t get why they fight over it, Herbert never explains it
          >Tolkien is juvenile and for children. Why would I read the Silmarillion? I read the Hobbit and it was gay
          >I love book of the new sun!
          >Book of the new sun fucking SUCKS
          (I’ve seen all of these posted in the last three generals ad nauseum)
          and then infographics, complaints about infographics, GRRM arguments and name calling.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            /sffg/ is a newfag magnet

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >pictured: a Conriyan knight, Eothic guardsman, and Javreh captain

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you left out being called a pseud for literally anything

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is perfect!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's pretty close to what I pictured
        I bought the last 4 books recently and I'm re-reading the first three before starting these.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1) No
    2) He lives in seclusion on his farm

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the Nail of Heaven a spaceship?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a wormhole

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it’s a wormhole the ship came through. It appeared in the sky three years before the Ark crashed into Earwa according to the nonmen. If it was a mothership I think more ships would have come, since the inchoroi are convinced this is finally the right world for their scheme.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If it was a mothership I think more ships would have come
        Unless the Incû-Holoinas is a shuttle and every single Inchoroi got on board, not thinking the shuttle could crash and strand them

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hahahah, no the Ark is definitely the whole of their enterpise. It might even still be alive, and the main controller of the No-God.

          SYSTEM: RESUMPTION.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bakker describes what's it like for alienated men to go to prostitutes, and how fucking sad that is so well that it single-handedly took me off my hooker/escort pill

    Thanks, I guess

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TELL ME
    WHAT DO YOU SEE

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this Dune but Canadian?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's dune but with gay sex and cuckolding
      So yes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dune is Dune with gay sex and cuckolding, Baron Harkonnen was all about that boy pussy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a highly original setting but there’s a lot of influence from DUNC, the Silmarillion, Blood Meridian, and the Old Testament in pretty equal measure, mostly to convey the authors own ideas of philosophy that he would be unable to do in an essay or other “dry” format. I hate Canadians but I don’t detect their loathsome aura in these books despite the authors origin.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >highly original setting

        its just medieval europe and middle east, but with magic and vague ayyylmaos.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heavy Dune and LoTR influences along with the Crusades.

      https://i.imgur.com/7SI1trg.png

      TELL ME
      WHAT DO YOU SEE

      *fires Heron Spear* heh nothin personel N00b-God

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nice 100,000 year conspiracy to thwart God you got there, it’s be a shame if a bronze age doofus blasted your antichrist with a laser
        The Consult got fucking dunked on in the first apocalypse kek

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it is what if a song of ice and fire was a actually high fantasy and scifi

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Random question: why are book summaries on Amazon and Goodreads so bad? Sometimes Amazon doesn't even seem to have them at all. Mostly there just ads that tell you little. Am I the only one too stupid to not see where actual information about what the book is about old back of the cover style is? Or does no one care? This has been bothering me for awhile.

    >The first book in R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing series introduces readers to a strikingly original and engrossingly vivid new world. With its language and classes of people, its cities, religions, mysteries, taboos, and rituals, The Darkness That Comes Before has drawn comparison to J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings and Frank Herbert’s Dune.
    Jesus shut the fuck up. Wow, it's engrossing. That's good I guess because am in the mood for engrossing and like famous other titles in the genre of book I'm thinking of reading. What luck.

    Anyway, I guess it's about medieval post-apocalypse. No thanks to Amazon. Sounds cool?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You think that's bad? Let me give you a descriptor for a Gene Wolfe book.
      >The Citadel of the Autarch brings The Book of the New Sun to its harrowing conclusion, as Severian clashes in a final reckoning with the dread Autarch, fulfilling an ancient prophecy that will alter forever the realm known as Urth.
      This is just straight up lying about the content of the book, misrepresenting both what happens and who the characters are. It reads like the person who wrote it had never read the book.
      This is allowed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >misrepresenting both what happens and who the characters are
        That's actually kinda fitting tbh

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Very clever if on purpose, but I doubt that very much.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They’re written by wagie npcs who have at most read the book flap.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    whats the deal with aurax at the end? he is the last (of the inchoroi) proficient in tekne, while aurax was out there playing grab ass with shaeonanra, and was hale enough to personally violate many people in his search for ishual, at the end he is a whimpering idiot, did the dunyain mindbreak him?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *meant to say aurang was with shaeonanra

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Read a theory that Shaeonanra was the one there inside,faking being an idiot, while Aurax was the one killed by Kelhus outside.

      Also, the surviving Dunyain inside were just a vessel for Shaeönanra, as in all of them a hivemind.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what happened to aurang in that case?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Meant Aurang. Basically the theory is that both Inchoroi switched places, the one inside is just faking being a an idiot.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why switch places though?
            aurang was the commander of the horde, shield-bearer to Sil, he should have been outside influencing the war, aurax who is the mystery element, the teacher of tekne (what remained of it) to the consult and who has never been meaningfully mentioned on- or off-screen should have been inside

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I always interpreted it as alien dementia, the tekne is powerful but their are only two Inchoroi left and much of their knowledge lost.
      Seeing as they're at least several thousand years old there is little the can do to stave off the weight of years.
      But what you say is possible.

      >Nice 100,000 year conspiracy to thwart God you got there, it’s be a shame if a bronze age doofus blasted your antichrist with a laser
      The Consult got fucking dunked on in the first apocalypse kek

      Yeah the Consult are crayon eaters, any halfway competent omnicidal beings with advanced science landing on a bronze age world, regardless of magic, should have won handily.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably the inchorois own fault for being such hedonistic coomers. They’re also maybe hamstrung by their own insanity and inability to fully utilize the tekne.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ah but in this they were as impaired as the sranc, seeing as the inchoroi are themselves created of tekne, yoked to the goad of congress (a race of lovers), and sent forth by their creators to halt the transmigration of souls

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and the goad of the Inverse Fire.

            Cast 'em
            >Proyas
            >Conphas
            >Serwë
            >Moënghus
            >Sarcellus

            >Proyas: A young Sam Worthington
            >Conphas: Arnie Hammer
            >Serwë: Any pretty blonde with a nice rack, just has to smile nicely and cry on command.
            >Moënghus: I always imagined him to be Lionel Luthor from Smallville
            >Sarcellus: The actor that played Guy de Lusignan in Kingdom of Heaven
            What about
            >Esme
            >Kellhus
            >Akka

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Moënghus: I always imagined him to be Lionel Luthor from Smallville
              Are you me? Holy fuck

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Serwë: Any pretty blonde with a nice rack, just has to smile nicely and cry on command.

              So Sydney Sweeney?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                GENIUS

                https://i.imgur.com/bkefONg.png

                >Hard doth it lean upon the threshold … the Seducer-of-Thieves says, for it can feel the smouldering torsions, the remorseless yaw in directions orthogonal to the accursed lines of harsh reality, as though it were a coal upon a blanket, burning through, filament by deHispanicable filament.
                >Yes …
                >Vile angel.
                >And it realizes. Kakaliol apprehends. It can feel it sinking, all about, like a hulk upon the waters. The Reaper-of-Heroes raises its scimitar talons, roars with laughter, expelling the shrieks of a thousand thousand souls.
                >All it need do is scratch, tear away the cutting paper of this accursed World …
                >Now discharge your Task.
                >Nay.
                >Discharge your Task!
                >The Blind Slaver dares speak it, the word. And it can feel the torments the Manling would inflict upon it were it elsewhere in this accursed World. But here, in this place, Hell itself steeps the air, making whole what the frail sorcerer’s magicks had halved. Here, in this place, it cannot be sundered.
                >The Reaper-of-Heroes cackles, shrieks in diabolical triumph.
                >What does it matter, the punishing of a Desire identical with its Object?
                >Your Oath! the Blind Slaver cries upon blind panic. Your Oath is your Task!
                >Nay … the Carrion Prince rumbles across the edges of existence. Thou art my Task, mortal.
                >And upon this, Kalakiol, the Reaper-of-Heroes, involutes, reaches through itself, and seizes the Voice of the Blind Slaver, plucks the nubile wisp that is his soul. How the insect flails! Roaring exultant, it collapses into a writhing heap of centipedes, chitinous multitudes that spill out twitching and scratching across the floors, and begin boring through the flaking paint that is this World …
                >The vile angel is no more.

                I don't get it.

                What

                demon summoner gets wrecked by a demon

                says is correct.
                But to give some context, a sorceror summoned a demon to kill someone, the sorceror fucked up and now the demon is very angry that a mortal had the audacity to summon him
                to a place where existance inlicts pain on it. The demon conumes the soul of the sorceror and goes back to its own dimension.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much the ark has had so much fucked up shit happen there that the boundary between reality and hell has become so thin that the demon is practically back home so he invites Iyokus to his crib to fuck his eye holes.

                demon summoner gets wrecked by a demon

                Alright, fine
                But what the FUCK does
                >What does it matter, the punishing of a Desire identical with its Object?
                mean?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just some mid-tier philosophical smudging. In this context, probably trying to explain the nature of a being that is itself as concept but also object as concept.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Desire=subjective

                Sorcery=desire made objective

                Topos makes it so instead of brining JUST the demon to a painful corporeal existence, UH OH, you accidentally summoned it and hell all around it. Now is this creature truly your subject made object? Or has this hell made YOU it’s subject, subject to its infernal will.

                Something like that. I’m a brainlet but the dudes on r/Bakker explain better than I do about all this subject object shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Constult =/= Inchoroi

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >functional magic
    dropped

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >*shouts geometry at you*

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cast 'em
    >Proyas
    >Conphas
    >Serwë
    >Moënghus
    >Sarcellus

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would this work? if the writers weren't fifth columnist saboteurs

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Cnaiur go with the face monsters in Warrior Prophet? He killed one in the sieged city, which lead to Kellhus being put into even more power. He seems to understand what they are, but also has implied sex with """Serwe"""? I am unironically getting filtered by the character

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cnaiur (in my interpretation) seeks to make himself ever more unpredicatble. His hate for the Dunyain fuels his burgeoning madness and his intellect pushes him into "untracked" lands.
      He goes with the skin spy because he views them as a means to obtain revenge.

      >Moënghus: I always imagined him to be Lionel Luthor from Smallville
      Are you me? Holy fuck

      The actor that played Lionel does such a great job, by turns he's warm, intelligent, disdainful and ruthless. Perfect for a master manipulator.

      all I know about this author is that god-awful intro page that gets copypasta'd on PrepHole
      makes grrm look like a god of the genre

      ngmi

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cnaiur is the greatest hero of the age twisted by the Dunyain. His actions are twisted by madness, but he has a goal. You'll see at the end.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Becuase Cnaiur is a massive raging gay if you didn't notice and all skin spies, even female, have dicks.

      Serious btw

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all I know about this author is that god-awful intro page that gets copypasta'd on PrepHole
    makes grrm look like a god of the genre

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hard doth it lean upon the threshold … the Seducer-of-Thieves says, for it can feel the smouldering torsions, the remorseless yaw in directions orthogonal to the accursed lines of harsh reality, as though it were a coal upon a blanket, burning through, filament by deHispanicable filament.
    >Yes …
    >Vile angel.
    >And it realizes. Kakaliol apprehends. It can feel it sinking, all about, like a hulk upon the waters. The Reaper-of-Heroes raises its scimitar talons, roars with laughter, expelling the shrieks of a thousand thousand souls.
    >All it need do is scratch, tear away the cutting paper of this accursed World …
    >Now discharge your Task.
    >Nay.
    >Discharge your Task!
    >The Blind Slaver dares speak it, the word. And it can feel the torments the Manling would inflict upon it were it elsewhere in this accursed World. But here, in this place, Hell itself steeps the air, making whole what the frail sorcerer’s magicks had halved. Here, in this place, it cannot be sundered.
    >The Reaper-of-Heroes cackles, shrieks in diabolical triumph.
    >What does it matter, the punishing of a Desire identical with its Object?
    >Your Oath! the Blind Slaver cries upon blind panic. Your Oath is your Task!
    >Nay … the Carrion Prince rumbles across the edges of existence. Thou art my Task, mortal.
    >And upon this, Kalakiol, the Reaper-of-Heroes, involutes, reaches through itself, and seizes the Voice of the Blind Slaver, plucks the nubile wisp that is his soul. How the insect flails! Roaring exultant, it collapses into a writhing heap of centipedes, chitinous multitudes that spill out twitching and scratching across the floors, and begin boring through the flaking paint that is this World …
    >The vile angel is no more.

    I don't get it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      demon summoner gets wrecked by a demon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much the ark has had so much fucked up shit happen there that the boundary between reality and hell has become so thin that the demon is practically back home so he invites Iyokus to his crib to fuck his eye holes.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw cucked by a demon-possessed ubermensch who deceives himself into believing he's a god who will prevent a pair of sex-obssessed aliens/group of mutilated ubermenschen from destroying almost all human life because objective morality exists and they don't want to go to hell

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Achamian - Oscar Isaac
    Khellus- Chris Hemsworth / Younger brad pitt
    Cnaiur - Bautista or Adam Driver?
    Esme- Appropriately aged Salma Hayek
    Sarcellus - Cavill

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oscar Isaac would be great as one of the Ketyai nobles like Xinemus or Proyas but he’s too good looking and in shape to be Achamian. I think you’re on to something with him though, since he does have the range to do humor, sadness, gravitas and rage and everything in between. Salma Hayek is a great choice as well, you had me at brown booba.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Chris Hemsworth
      im not sure if you need a super good actor to play kellhus or the opposite but its the former i think. He needs to be able to change from emotionless to a normal person instantly, Cnauir is way harder though probably one of the hardest roles to act ever

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for me it's the whale mothers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did Bakker jump the shark with the whale mothers? That shit made no sense, it just seemed like cheap shock material.
      Even if it was meant as a setup for the Inchoroi having been involved with the dûnyain breeding program, like some schizo theories claim, it will likely never be confirmed because No-God NEVER EVER

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, Bakker just takes too much from the Wolfe's Solar Cycle without giving it much explanation in his own world. With Wolfe, it's very clear and organic that some of his characters are genetically modified and come from either stasis chambers or embryos put into regular human females - with Bakker we're supposed to believe dunyain and their females developed through natural breeding programs over just two thousand years. Science fantasy works so much better in creating the feeling of consistency.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its sort of like the axolotl tanks from dune and a criticism of factory farming, patriarchy and science maybe?

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Need someone to play Kellhus? Why not Edward Norton?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like Jim Caviezel, the actor who played Jesus in the Passions of Christ, would be a good Kellhus. Making him blond would be easy enough.

      He's supposed to ba a super-tall even for a noble, lean but with muscles tight as ropes, aryan ubermensch.

      Alexander Skargaard would definetly nail the looks. Not sure about the acting though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't recall him being that tall, he's like 6foot0 oir 6.1 or something at most

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well that's what tall used to be in a medieval setting where the average peasant was a manlet who rarely ate any meat.

          He literally towers over every character, most of whom are nobles.
          Only Cnair doesn't look small near him, coincidently it's the only character who comes close to beating him physically, but Cnaiur is a beast.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yalgrota is taller and i don't recall him ever "towering" over people, he's tall but not hugely so, it's also a thematic fail imo since Jesus was average height and it's better thematically imo for him to convince people via charisma and dunyain mind tricks rather than just he is... le tall and... le handsome!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bakker listed him as like 6'6 in an old forum post. Dude towers over even tall norseri like Saubon, or generally big dudes like Cnaiur.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if you asked him again today he would probably give a totally different answer. I don't recall him (in the text) being massive, even cnauir is more big in terms of muscle than height, wouldn't imagine he's more than 6.3

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Kellhus being taller than everyone around him is referenced practically every time he is physically described. Like half a dozen times per book really.
              >Dismounted, the Scylvendi towered over Xinemus, loomed over everyone, in fact, with the exception of the Norsirai.
              He mogs even the towering Conan expy Cnaiur:
              >Despite the Dûnyain’s proximity, Cnaiür stood near enough the coals to feel their arid heat. Ever since Kellhus had swung him over the precipice that day in the mountains, he’d found himself battling a strange bodily shyness whenever the man loomed next to him.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He’s described many times as tall. In one of the PON books he’s described as more than a head taller than any of the other great names assembled, even Cnaiur and Cnaiur is a big guy (4u).

          Not canon, but In my head I picture he’s like 6’6-6’8, with Cnaiur being like 6’0-6’2, most Norsirai nobles and warriors like 5’9-6’0, ketyai nobles and warriors like 5’7-5’11, ketyai caste menials (such as Achamian) as like 5’4-5’8.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like Jim Caviezel, the actor who played Jesus in the Passions of Christ, would be a good Kellhus. Making him blond would be easy enough.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the writer is a very tall blond chad
    >in the book, his self-insert is a short, fat, balding, swarthy, whiny beta who gets cucked by a tall blond gigachad

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bakker
      >chad
      Anon he's eternally butthurt over his professor calling his novels "children's books".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The man is quite obviously a pretty boy whose ego is constantly salved by his wife.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >series grand finale is Kellhus jobbing via monologuing for too long

    Dropped.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you don't think the Consult are the good guys by that point the books are not for you anyway

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I get what you mean but Kellhus was the good guy and he probably could have conquered the outside through the gnosis and dealt with damnation that way if it werent for the damn Ajokli fuckery.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Kellhus was the good guy
          At no point he does anything good or redeemable in general

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe he'd remain a dunyain and join the Consult along with his father or the mutilated.

            Have you dummies even read the series? He literally says it right at the end when debating the dunyain.
            Fuck it, ill go look it up for you.

            By the way it blows my mind that fucking PrepHole of all places is able to discuss this series with any level of quality.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe he'd remain a dunyain and join the Consult along with his father or the mutilated.

            [...]
            Have you dummies even read the series? He literally says it right at the end when debating the dunyain.
            Fuck it, ill go look it up for you.

            By the way it blows my mind that fucking PrepHole of all places is able to discuss this series with any level of quality.

            Here you silly geese go.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's just Ajokli being a dick.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it is ambiguous how much of that is Kellhus speaking and how much is Ajokli, but at that point, it being Kellhus makes more sense. I mean Ajokli is already king of the devils, why would he give a shit about conquering hell?

                https://i.imgur.com/b3tz8Kp.png

                I'm too much of a brainlet to process that. What did Bakker mean by this?

                As far as I understand - mastering cause by logos means mastering causality/materiality through reaching the transcendent absolute - as Kellhus does (or attempts to) himself. The Consult and Dunyain master cause via cause, they understand themselves to be only biological machines, completely bound by causality, which is basically what atheist materialists believe in real life. They master causality by understanding it and using that understanding to cause changes in the future through the present. I hope thats understandable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ajokli iss a god in the Outside, and that speech is him boasting he plans to conquer everything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, I really dont see that.
                >Our differences are contingent, artifacts of where we fell once cast out of Ishual
                >But where you were delivered to the Tekne, I was brought to the Gnosis
                This is not Ajokli speaking yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i disagree. at the top of the quote provided malowebi sees ajokli. the god of lies is already in control.
                for all his greatness, kellhus was reduced to a golem for ajokli. ajokli was kellhus's darkness that came before.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at it as Ajokli being the darkness that comes before Kellhus, the only source of darkness, Kellhus saying what he thinks he wants, but actually being a puppet conveying what the puppeteer wants in the puppet languge.

                That is an interesting way to look at it and I dont think I can prove you wrong. The text is quite ambiguous.

                For me, the idea of Kellhus conquering the hells via Gnosis and solving the problem of the Outside that way is extremely interesting and I would have rather seen that than the whole Ajokli malarkey.
                If Ajokli is the ultimate hidden cause of Kellhus actions... well, what meaning is there in that? The philosophical disagreement on the nature of the Absolute between the Mutilated and Kellhus seems thematically much richer.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can see how Ajokli being Kellhus' darkness may be disappointing from the scene's perspective, but in my opinion it contribtes a lot to the whole series. For example, look back at Kellhus confrontation with Moenghus - doesn't that make Moenghus right, that trials did break Kellhus and he came to his father mad?

                it's been a long time since i read the series.
                at what point did ajokli begin to influence kellhus? when he sees the twig in his sandal with one dead leaf and one green leaf and he decides the two are not the same is he already being puppeted by ajokli?

                From the circumfix, Ajokli is the crouching man in Kellhus' visions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at it as Ajokli being the darkness that comes before Kellhus, the only source of darkness, Kellhus saying what he thinks he wants, but actually being a puppet conveying what the puppeteer wants in the puppet languge.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's been a long time since i read the series.
                at what point did ajokli begin to influence kellhus? when he sees the twig in his sandal with one dead leaf and one green leaf and he decides the two are not the same is he already being puppeted by ajokli?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dont remember anything about any leaves. As far as I know from the explanations from the books and the blog, the gods are outside of time so Ajokli has in a sense always been influencing Kellhus. Maybe the first instance of outside influence from the point of Kellhus is when he decided to spare Cnauir. If I recall correctly, Kellhus himself didnt understand why he did it at the time.

                I can see how Ajokli being Kellhus' darkness may be disappointing from the scene's perspective, but in my opinion it contribtes a lot to the whole series. For example, look back at Kellhus confrontation with Moenghus - doesn't that make Moenghus right, that trials did break Kellhus and he came to his father mad?
                [...]
                From the circumfix, Ajokli is the crouching man in Kellhus' visions.

                No, Moenghus was still wrong, Kellhus wasnt mad... its just that "Satan" made him do it. Seems much dumber to me than Kellhus comprehending some transcendent truth.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe the first instance of outside influence from the point of Kellhus is when he decided to spare Cnauir. If I recall correctly, Kellhus himself didnt understand why he did it at the time.

                Cnaiur is Ajokli so that’s entirely possible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is he? Now THAT would be an interesting twist and it would give more weight to your previous points.
                I always interpreted it as Ajokli going for the next best thing and posessing Cnauir after Kellhus got salted.

                >(and i still don't understand wtf the No God is)
                It's basically a technologically contained point of Entropy

                What? I understood him as some sort of AI. Do explain!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's a metal box studded with chorae
                inside of it is a person. apparently, this person needs to be special; as in the gods aren't able to see his soul.
                when you put the person inside the box it does some whizzbang shit and presto: the tether to the outside is broken. the cycle of souls is stopped and no one who dies goes to hell. now the consult can do all the weird fucked up /b/ tier shit they can think of and not worry about the big bad ciphrang eating their souls.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I knew all that, gay, what the fuck were you talking about, calling him a technologically contained point of entropy?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm too much of a brainlet to process that. What did Bakker mean by this?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kellhus is saying the surviving Dunyain realized technology >>>>> personal enlightenment after witnessing the Ark.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or maybe he'd remain a dunyain and join the Consult along with his father or the mutilated.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are no good guys in the series, i thought that was the point

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT IS ONE THING IS GOOD IN ITSELF?
        t. Proyas

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't know how mass compatible this series is. I've only read the first book, but among other things we've got a psychopath gay barbarian in denial about liking peepees, a whore who's about to bear the antichrist after discovering that the guy who fucked her last night shot black sperm into her and, of course, there's messenger ravens with bald human heads who suck the recipient's cock before having a little conversation. None of this sounds like stuff that would make a tv or movie producer go "oh yeah, this is going to hit it big if we adapt it".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It only gets worse and worse, it's a descent into madness and horror beyond anything any producer would want to touch

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >stroll along the corpse-strewn battlefield after a victory
    >see yourself among the bodies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Please! he screamed at his younger self, trying to communicate the whole of his life with sightless eyes... Fool! Ingrate!

      >Don't trust Hi--

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > mfw I realized Saubon really did see his own corpse at Mengedda

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm honestly baffled. There's a perfectly good, civilized discussion on Bakker on fucking PrepHole of all places.
    The king of /sffg/ has conquered another board?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Truth Shines, no matter the night.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sodomizes him for fun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does it bother you?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think Bakker sucks.
      Those books are so dry they make the silmarillion look like a Fabio novel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's what happens when 90% of the fanbase has only read/watched online summaries. Just like in the WH40K threads

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when you tell a funny joke and your nonman buddy wants to remember it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I laughed out loud at the one about riding a mile on someone else's horse before critizing them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kek me too, I was chuckling like a dumbass reading by myself at work.

        https://i.imgur.com/b3tz8Kp.png

        I'm too much of a brainlet to process that. What did Bakker mean by this?

        It’s difficult to articulate, but it seems like he’s arguing that the parameters of developing the logos was flawed, and that even if they could become a self-moving soul they’re still just a cog in a greater system that uses them and their autonomy gained through enlightenment is a sham. He on the other hand will become a self-moving soul by dominating all others and forcing a place for himself, but this is all Ajokli talk, super hungry and horny for souls so who knows what Kellhus’ real position would have been on the subject.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried to read the first book, but the smug asshole prince was the only likeable character, and I know he gets turned into a moron and killed in the later books.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On the official blog, according to a post from Bakker's brother from like June of last year, Bakker is focused on family stuff rn. I think his daughter recently got married or something. He talks about the next series a lot, but also sometimes says the series is about the death of meaning so maybe it ended perfectly.

    But then another poster on the blog, who has been confirmed to be either Bakker or someone in his inner circle, assured people that "the story will be told."

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    since we're having this thread, bros, should i read the second trilogy (Warrior Prophet etc.)? i've already heard that Kellhus ultimately fails, is the ride still worth it? i liked the first trilogy when i read it ~3 years ago, but the world-building was incredibly convoluted and barely explained, all i know about the Inchoroi and the Non-Men i had to read from the wiki (and i still don't understand wtf the No God is), the trilogy barely touches on any of it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I say go for it. Most of your questions will be answered in the sequel series. And remember, it’s not the destination, it’s the journey brother.
      Understanding the cultures of the three seas will come a bit more naturally if you are a fan of history, especially medieval Byzantine, the crusades and the Old Testament. It will help both with visualization of and clarification between the different factions is you have an anchor point for what Bakker was drawing off of when he created them, just like reading Dune or being a philosophy undergrad will help you understand the Dunyains position, reading the Silmarillion helps explain the nonmen, and I may be reaching but Blood Meridian for the Inchoroi.
      I don’t want to dissuade you with a summer school reading list, but personally as a nerd with interests in all of the above I had an easy time keeping everything straight whereas my friends that didn’t share these interest and hadn’t read them had a difficult time keeping everything cohesive as they read.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >(and i still don't understand wtf the No God is)
      It's basically a technologically contained point of Entropy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thank you for that illuminating explanation

        https://i.imgur.com/2pmJAho.jpg

        I say go for it. Most of your questions will be answered in the sequel series. And remember, it’s not the destination, it’s the journey brother.
        Understanding the cultures of the three seas will come a bit more naturally if you are a fan of history, especially medieval Byzantine, the crusades and the Old Testament. It will help both with visualization of and clarification between the different factions is you have an anchor point for what Bakker was drawing off of when he created them, just like reading Dune or being a philosophy undergrad will help you understand the Dunyains position, reading the Silmarillion helps explain the nonmen, and I may be reaching but Blood Meridian for the Inchoroi.
        I don’t want to dissuade you with a summer school reading list, but personally as a nerd with interests in all of the above I had an easy time keeping everything straight whereas my friends that didn’t share these interest and hadn’t read them had a difficult time keeping everything cohesive as they read.

        >Understanding the cultures of the three seas will come a bit more naturally if you are a fan of history, especially medieval Byzantine, the crusades and the Old Testament.
        that's pretty much what i had in mind reading the first trilogy. the action and characters were perfectly fine to follow, but the world-building was confusing and barely explained anything (e.g. there's like 5 different kingdoms/empires that the Mandati founder sides with one after another and i confuse them all; then all that business with the Anasurimbor king and his son, and then the sorcerer ends up winning against the No-God with somebody else entirely)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I got you bro
          >Seswatha is an extremely powerful gnostic sorcerer from the school of Sohonc, he is originally from a city in the ancient norsirai kingdom of kuniuri, which is ruled by Anasurimbor Celmonas, Kellhus’ ancestor.
          >When Anasurimbor dies, he tells Seswatha an Anasurimbor will return at the end of the world and starts the prophecy. Also his son, Anasurimbor Nau-cayuti was captured and put into the sarcophagus and became the first no-god; all this happens early into the first apocalypse
          >Years later the northern kingdoms have been destroyed and Seswatha has fled south to the Ketyai nation of Kyraneas, ruled by Anaxophorus (who secretly has stolen the heron spear). Eventually, assured of their victory, the consult and no-god are goaded out into an open decisive battle by Seswatha and Anaxophorus and Anaxophoras blasts the no-god with the laser from the heron spear and ends the apocalypse.
          >the sranc are driven back but 11 years of war, disease, stillbirths, and famine cause the kyranean empire to collapse and there is no nation strong enough to finish off the consult for good (Kyraneas devolves into warring states and there’s basically a Bronze Age collapse like in our world, eventually the ceneian empire rises and conquers the three seas in the early Iron Age. The Ceneians are basically the romans and when they eventually collapse except the western half which evolves from a vestigial rump state into an empire of its own, this is the modern empire of Nansur.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thanks, bro
            >Also his son, Anasurimbor Nau-cayuti was captured and put into the sarcophagus and became the first no-god; all this happens early into the first apocalypse
            later the northern kingdoms have been destroyed and Seswatha has fled south to the Ketyai nation of Kyraneas, ruled by Anaxophorus (who secretly has stolen the heron spear). Eventually, assured of their victory, the consult and no-god are goaded out into an open decisive battle by Seswatha and Anaxophorus and Anaxophoras blasts the no-god with the laser from the heron spear and ends the apocalypse.
            >>the sranc are driven back but 11 years of war, disease, stillbirths, and famine cause the kyranean empire to collapse and there is no nation strong enough to finish off the consult for good (Kyraneas devolves into warring states and there’s basically a Bronze Age collapse like in our world, eventually the ceneian empire rises and conquers the three seas in the early Iron Age. The Ceneians are basically the romans and when they eventually collapse except the western half which evolves from a vestigial rump state into an empire of its own, this is the modern empire of Nansur.
            see, this is what i mean by poorly explained (if it all) - was any of this mentioned in the first trilogy? because i sure as hell don't remember reading it. the only thing about the sun i remember reading was a Seswatha dream of them in Golgoterath or wherever, trying to steal the spear iirc. i don't think it's ever mentioned the sun was the first No God (whatever that means)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Most of that stuff is in the appendices. Does no one read the appendices anymore?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >was any of this mentioned in the first trilogy?
              Yes [spoiler in the 100 pages glossary[/spoiler]

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A lot of what I mentioned is in the appendices, or mentioned offhand by someone in anecdotes (usually Achamian), or revealed through the excerpts from in universe books from the chapter headers. Some info may also be from the second series so it’s not your fault for missing it. Like I said earlier I’m a history nerd so I see something Bakker writes and think, “oh cool just like when Alexander the Great did this” and it helps with the context of the countries of the three seas at large.

              [...]
              right, right
              it's been 2-3 years at least since I read these things, I've forgotten so much

              Np bro

              then loses its western half to the fanim from the desert who establish their Padirajah (caliphate basically) in the extreme west by the desert and mountains. Meanwhile in the eastern three seas Norsirai refugees and barbarian invaders from the north have migrated into depopulated, formerly ceneian lands and established Galeoth and ce tydonn. Conriya and high ainon are still ketyai majority as former ceneian regions, I don’t know much about Conriyan society but it’s where Proyas and Xinemus are from and their knights wear cool silver masks into battle so there’s that.
              >>High Ainon has a very strict caste and class system like India and has become increasingly decadent.
              thanks, all this i remember. what about the Tusk, Inri, Bakker's Muhammad (whatever his name was) and the Fanim magic, could you give me a quick refresher on those two? does the 2nd series expand on these elements at all or is it all alien rapists
              [...]
              i remember the first trilogy had glossaries, i don't recall anything about appendices, let me check

              So the Tusk is engraved with the original laws and histories of the five tribes of men that are basically analogous to genesis, exodus, judges, and the Ten Commandments. It was all an oral history until the tusk was gifted to them by the inchoroi under the guise of a gift from the gods, but they secretly added an apocryphal book of their own urging the men to cross the mountains and “slaughter the sodomite kings of Earwa” (the Nonmen).
              Inri Sejenus lived in the western edges of the Cianene empire when religion was still loosely practiced in a blend of cults to the many polytheistic/tribal gods of old. He wrote the tractates which are like the New Testament and argued that the many gods are aspects of one true omnipresent God. Eventually he ends up becoming a massive popular figure and is tempted, then executed. Modern Inrithism is like Catholicism, with prayers to the minors gods to intercede to the One, like prayers to the divine saints to intercede to God in our world as Catholics do.
              Fanimism is named after Fane, and is basically Islam with Dune rules. Fane was blinded in the desert and became the first cishaurim, who are both priests and sorcerers unlike anywhere else in the three seas where sorcery is blasphemy. Their sorcery is weaker but leaves no mark and doesn’t seem to damage Gods will. All cishaurim are blinded like Fane. Theres two major sects roughly analogous the Sunnis and Shias and they kill each other often

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So the Tusk is engraved with the original laws and histories of the five tribes of men that are basically analogous to genesis, exodus, judges, and the Ten Commandments. It was all an oral history until the tusk was gifted to them by the inchoroi under the guise of a gift from the gods, but they secretly added an apocryphal book of their own urging the men to cross the mountains and “slaughter the sodomite kings of Earwa” (the Nonmen).
                so do these "five tribes" come before the Kuniuric and Ketyai empires or is that after all that, once humanity's reverted back to the Bronze Age?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Five Tribes are before them, yes. Though I don't remember the timeline that clearly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is way before, before they even crossed into Earwa from the east. The five tribes are the predecessors of the five races:
                >Norsirai - Tall, blue or green eyed white people, often blond, basically Norsemen, Germans, celts, and Gauls in our world. Was the most dominant race before the destruction of their kingdoms in the north during the first apocalypse
                >Ketyai - Most common race in Earwa at the time of PON, olive to brown skinned, dark hair and eyes, basically Mediterranean/Byzantine in cultures and appearances, but some Indian and middle eastern influence on the fringes
                >Sathyothi- black people, some have green eyes though. Not featured often, mostly live in Zeum, but some in Nilnamesh, Xin’s buddy (not Dinchases, the other one, was one of these guys)
                >Scylvendi- Blue eyed and black haired, physically and culturally they’re like Scythians, sarmatians, Alans, and other Caucasian horse tribes in our world. They worship the no-god and sided with the consult in the first apocalypse
                >Xiuhanni- “the lost tribe” most stayed behind in Eanna, they were physically like jungle Asians, somewhere between Laotian/Vietnamese/Malay/Philipino. There is a single island settlement of them on an off the coast of high Ainnon, the rest are still in mankind’s aboriginal homeland over the mountains.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Chill comfily in Bumfuck, Nowhere in the eastern wastes of Eanna
                >Your child is stillborn because your retarded cousins fucked around with the aliens
                >AGAIN

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is he? Now THAT would be an interesting twist and it would give more weight to your previous points.
        I always interpreted it as Ajokli going for the next best thing and posessing Cnauir after Kellhus got salted.
        [...]
        What? I understood him as some sort of AI. Do explain!

        The No-God as finally explained at the end of TUC by the mutilated is actually a code-breaking machine that requires a specific human host to activate (literally the line is “there is a code hidden inside Earwa”). Once the code is solved the Outside is no more. The whole 144,000 thing is stated to be a red herring.

        It’s not explained what the host (Kelmomas and previously Nau-Cayuti during the first activation) has to do with it or why it prevents births worldwide.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Consult and the mutilated themselves don't know much about the host, remember, they thought Kellhus was supposed to be inside the No-God and took out the chorae from the carapace.
          My guess, however trivial it sounds, is that the reason for being a suitable host is purely retrocausal - Kelmomas can be the No-God because he will become the No-God in the future, there isn't much more to it, and the Consult's task is merely to create conditions for Kelmomas to come to them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's probably just due to the twin factor. One dead, one alive. They're both in a state of superposition, which confuses the soul system.

            Nu-cuntoe had a stillborn brother as well.

            That said, the text is ambiguous as to whether the Judging Eye could see Kellhus's son.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If it was that simple, the Consult would know that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pfft, only if they knew about it. They're running a kluge operation.

                The Consult's 'strategy' for restarting the Apocalypse was just to bring in a bunch of guys and stick them in until it starts again. They have no idea what the actual factor was, and I doubt they remembered about Nu-Kyrantoe's dead brother.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, we both heard this interpretation a hundred times before, but what about alternatives? What if the people were brought into the Golden Room and killed by getting put into the carapace to create a topos in there that would attract and reveal a god whose blindness would reveal the real host for the carapace?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly do not think the Consult is clever enough to do that. They barely understand what a topos is, and it's risky for them as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Consult, what's left of it, maybe, but what about the Mutilated sending instructions from the future?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think the Consult can fuck around with atemporality. That's more of a Ciphrang thing. I still think the No-God is a full God trick to bring salvation to Earwa.

                >Kellhus betrays everyone to Satan the last minute
                Why are we supposed to cheer for this asshole again

                You aren't! He's an antichrist!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And what does the No-God do if not fuck with eternity? The Ark has the technology, who knows what the Mutilated could have uncovered. The Synthese talks about respecting prophecies, but they Consult don't know who the prophecies talk about at the time, so the information they could have gotten is limited.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's intended to close the door to form linear time, I think. Going backwards doesn't seem to be a Consult trick to me. Of course you could claim that the entry of the No-God is to distort an predestined eternist universe into another universe, but that's a paradoxical notion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly do not think the Consult is clever enough to do that. They barely understand what a topos is, and it's risky for them as well.

                >topos
                is Bakker such an enlightened Uberchad he's actually referencing algebraic geometry in his books?
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topos

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The No-God as finally explained at the end of TUC by the mutilated is actually a code-breaking machine that requires a specific human host to activate (literally the line is “there is a code hidden inside Earwa”).
          Youre right, I forgot about this.
          >Once the code is solved the Outside is no more. The whole 144,000 thing is stated to be a red herring.
          I dont think so exactly. Read pic related again. It seems like the deaths are important, they provide some sort of information that the No-God uses to shut material reality to the Outside. After all, when the No-God was turned on the first time, what it did was use the sranc et al to commit mass murder.

          I just realized that the No God stops births because it's not just no souls can get out, it's also no new souls can get jn. So no new souls for babies

          That is a very good point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      The No-God as finally explained at the end of TUC by the mutilated is actually a code-breaking machine that requires a specific human host to activate (literally the line is “there is a code hidden inside Earwa”). Once the code is solved the Outside is no more. The whole 144,000 thing is stated to be a red herring.

      It’s not explained what the host (Kelmomas and previously Nau-Cayuti during the first activation) has to do with it or why it prevents births worldwide.

      Since the Consult always talk about Black Heaven that's free of gods and the NonMen have a bizarre weirdo afterlife where they just rest as ghosts at the bottom of really deep holes, it sort of makes sense they want to outright shut the migration of souls from happening since the gods are all ridiculously evil assholes. I've interpreted the No-God as literally becoming a protective wall against the influences of the divine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If a god is all knowing, omnipotent, then it’s antithesis, the No-God must be the opposite.
      hence:
      >TELL ME, WHAT DO YOU SEE?
      >WHAT AM I, YOU MUST TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE?

      he’s not like saying “yeah who’s you’re daddy say my name bitch!” It’s literally derived blind god, who’s sole purpose is to blind and starve the 100 gods and to end the soul cycle of birth.

      Nau cayuti was the first No god and kelmomas the second. Cayu was scared and horrified and asked the questions a man like him would ask but kel says something more along these lines:
      >”man, would sooner weep before God than his brother. He cowers beneath the rod that never falls…to better convict his brother of pride… to better beat him into submission”

      Salt and butchery ensues

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's great and it gets even darker. go for it, here's some soundtrack for the final two books

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm considering going for the 2nd trilogy after having read the 1st several years ago, is there a decent write-up of the events of the first 3 books somewhere i could use as a refresher? the wiki just copies book jacket blurbs for plot descriptions, as i recall

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2nd trilogy
      Aspect Emperor is four books, not three

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are "what has come before" catch-up sections opening every book.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i remember those, i meant something more substantial

        >2nd trilogy
        Aspect Emperor is four books, not three

        i'm aware, don't split hairs moron

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just realized that the No God stops births because it's not just no souls can get out, it's also no new souls can get jn. So no new souls for babies

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bakker's stories are the work of a sheltered, overly educated man who fetishizes violence

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's not going to make another book. He shat himself and cried in his toilet about 'book piracy' ruining his sales and now thinks the medium is a spook.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I remember reading some forums where he complained about piracy and proposed the term "yarr" as a pejorative for a pirate. It was pretty amusing.
      >t. pirated all his books

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it could get made into a series of AI generated screenshots

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Finally, a Bakker thread. Behold, the master.
    As for the question, sure, it can be made into a series of movies or tv series. Far weirder things have been done, this one is rather tame.
    Also, the sequel cycle (books 4-7) didn't make much and he argued with editors, iirc. I doubt we'll get more books.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also, anons, anons. I wanted to tell you. The real interesting plot is Sharon. Who is Sharon? Well, let me tell you.
    Now, as you can guess, books are written before getting published, by quite some time. Particularly something like this. Bakker had the first few books ready in his mind, before he got a chance to publish them.
    And he was clearly a lonely weirdo then. He dedicates his first book to Sharon
    >before whom, he didn't dare hope
    aka, he was full lonely before her. 2nd book is dedicated to his fiance Sharon, third to his wife Sharon. You can see their relationship through the book dedications. However, as most of the plot for the first 3 was conceived before they got published -and the dedications were made-, he was lonely when he wrote them. So, all the women in the first 3 books are: a whore, a sex slave, a whore queen and nameless whores.
    But, in the following books (4-7), now that he has a good relationship with a woman, he has more diverse female cast, besides whores, such as witches, cult leaders, heroines, politicians, etc.
    For extra joy, final book is dedicated to sharon and ruby(iirc), his daughter, the two suns of the solar system of his existence, without which there'd be no warmth and light on the planet that is his life or something.
    Very fun to see his relationship with women affecting his writing of women through the years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But, in the following books (4-7), now that he has a good relationship with a woman, he has more diverse female cast, besides whores, such as witches, cult leaders, heroines, politicians, etc.
      Anon, the only female character who didn't go through whoring is Kellhus' daughter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        While technically correct, the women showed they can do other stuff, besides being whores, just like men do.
        Because all men are also whores in this.

        Also, I'm amazed at how many memes this has, can someone post more?

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where are the download links

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anna's archive

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Libgen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NOOO IF WE GIVE YOU THE DOWNLOAD LINKS YOU ARE STEALING BREAD FROM BAKKER'S MOUTH

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is best boy and why is it Aurang?

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many of you got filtered by Ishterebinth?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still have no fucking idea what happened in the well with the giant Nonmen and the haunted helmet.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It really wasn't that spooky. After the eye in the heart thing it was just WHOOOHOOO A GOOOAST

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't humanity fuck off south of the three seas instead of staying in range of Sranc and Scylvendi harassment?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Three Seas are a Fertile Crescent equivalent. The other lands suck comparatively.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >take your chances with Nonmen, alien rapists with lasers and nukes, dragons, sranc, et cetera

        OR

        >Africa
        I think they made the right choice boys

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    remind me, how do we know whose original no god's host was and that he had a stillborn twin?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nu-whatschamacallit being the host is in the main text, the latter part is in one of the appendices.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Achamian starts to get his (Anasurimbor Nau-Cayuti’s) memories in his dreams along with more strange Seswatha memories that no other mandate sorceries receive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nu-whatschamacallit being the host is in the main text, the latter part is in one of the appendices.

        right, right
        it's been 2-3 years at least since I read these things, I've forgotten so much

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kellhus betrays everyone to Satan the last minute
    Why are we supposed to cheer for this asshole again

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think the Consult can fuck around with atemporality. That's more of a Ciphrang thing. I still think the No-God is a full God trick to bring salvation to Earwa.

      [...]
      You aren't! He's an antichrist!

      Anyway, I think Achamian's kid (with his stillborn brother) is going to be the true Savior, and the actual sign of his validity will be his healing hands, which Kellhus did not have.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain the Dunyain to me? Why is a random cult of weirdos that came out of nowhere at the end of the 1st Apocalypse so great at making superhuman geniuses?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is a random cult of weirdos that came out of nowhere at the end of the 1st Apocalypse so great at making superhuman geniuses?
      the power of Ubearaustism

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a pastiche of enlightenment cults, Fantasy secret king-raising villages, and monasteries. They're also riffing on chosen ones, ubermensche, and an absurd extrapolation of what that sort of philosophy could lead to.

      They aren't 'realistic', but whatever PrepHole might try to tell you, Second Apocalypse is just fantasy, it's not hard science fiction by any metric.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because their entire being, culture, life, nutrition, language, behavior, sex positions, everything is just trial and error again and again, for centuries, in an isolated environment, focused just on breeding the perfect superhuman genius, forgoing anything else

        surprise surprise, that didn't stop them from becoming short sighted sociopaths, high on their own supply of genius farts, who can't agree on what should be done about the state of the world, how to go about it, anything.
        And they're wicked and nuts too.

        >Why is a random cult of weirdos that came out of nowhere at the end of the 1st Apocalypse so great at making superhuman geniuses?
        They decided to breed uber-Sherlock Holmes through eugenics, it's that simple.

        do other Dunyain make an appearance in the 2nd series? does Kellhus get btfo by facts and logic?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Achamian and Mimara finally find out Ishual, yeah
          It was destroyed by Srancs and only 2 Dunyains survived, one is a kid and one was basically mindbroken by years of battle
          Also the Unholy Consult has been infiltrated by Dunyains

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because their entire being, culture, life, nutrition, language, behavior, sex positions, everything is just trial and error again and again, for centuries, in an isolated environment, focused just on breeding the perfect superhuman genius, forgoing anything else

      surprise surprise, that didn't stop them from becoming short sighted sociopaths, high on their own supply of genius farts, who can't agree on what should be done about the state of the world, how to go about it, anything.
      And they're wicked and nuts too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is a random cult of weirdos that came out of nowhere at the end of the 1st Apocalypse so great at making superhuman geniuses?
      They decided to breed uber-Sherlock Holmes through eugenics, it's that simple.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So, we have 3 main Dunyain. Khelus, his dad and [REDACTED]. They all arrive to different conclusions.
    Ergo, their Logos is ST00PID

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is weird. This thread, on PrepHole, a bit after for the first time ever, I met another Bakkerfan, out in the real world

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >active Bakker thread on PrepHole of all places
    Been with the series since 2011, we've come so far Bakkerchads

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the FUCK did Mimara see behind the chorae, bros?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing special, I think. The chorae are an extension of the Divided God's final will, so they're holy by default.

      That said, I also think the chorae save who they touch from Damnation via Annihilation.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Divided God
    Did they ever explain why God is divided and why pretty much all his component pieces are sadistic bloodthirsty assholes?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, not in the text, but this is a universe where Abraham slew Isaac. Take that as you will.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but this is a universe where Abraham slew Isaac
        Explain?

        > Divided God
        Did they ever explain why God is divided and why pretty much all his component pieces are sadistic bloodthirsty assholes?

        "Being" became "Doing." It's a gnostic allegory. Divided God = the Silent One. The Hundred = archons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In the equivalent parable for Abraham binding Isaac, Abraham just slays Isaac. It's that kind of universe.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In the equivalent parable for Abraham binding Isaac, Abraham just slays Isaac. It's that kind of universe.

        that's never mentioned in the 1st series, right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ya, appendices in the second series.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It might be in one of those quotes under the new chapter headers in PON but I can’t remember for sure

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the god is fractured because he shattered himself to make the world. the crazy dunyain--who may be kellhus's son-that mimara and akka meet at isterebinth has some really interesting insights before he kills himself. he deduces what the god must be, and by extension we can deduce what the no-god is and is designed to do.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        explain

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      While it's more apparent if you read Neuropath and his retarded blog, you have to understand Bakker treats brain science and nihilistic philosophy the same way Lovecraft treats non-Anglo culture and non-Euclidian geometry. The man literally endlessly shits and pisses his pants over something that Gene Wolfe satisfactorily explained using a man-eating alien bear instead of having to resort to magic systems and superhumans.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Point to me or demonstrate what is so fascinating about Wolfe's world and philosophy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wolfe is straight up Catholicism vs Gnosticism for Bakker. I'm just more of a fan of Wolfe's way of doing stuff since he was an engineer and stuff like the Whorl's failing generation ship systems and overall schizo tech in Old Sun is explained in a way that enhances the setting better than Bakker's weird pseudo-psychology, which always felt a tad out of place.

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    does Maithanet make an appearance in the sequels? the few scenes he had in the trilogy were awesome, i remember how when i was reading book 1 i was convinced it was Kellhus

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You were convinced Maythanet was also Khelus in secret? Interesting
      And yes, he appears. Quite a bit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You were convinced Maythanet was also Khelus in secret? Interesting
        i'm pretty sure Maithanet's identity is an intentional red herring. you have the prologue where it's shown Kellhus has the power to dominate people completely and you have him heading south. then couple of chapters later you have Maithanet, an outsider, showing up out of nowhere to turn the Thousand Temples on its head and you even get a physical description that matches Kellhus (except for the hair colour iirc). until the final chapter where Cnaiur finds Kellhus i was convinced it was him just with dyed hair

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and him being at two places at once wasn't an issue for you?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i meant i was convinced Maithanet=Kellhus up until Kellhus showed up on Cnaiur's doorstep, which i think was entirely planned misdirection on Bakker's part

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, so before Khellus met Akka

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Mimara see the No God when she looked at Kellhus and not Ajokli?

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /sffg/sisters we made it!!

    >??? as Anasurimbor Kellhus
    >Ben Kingsley as Drusas Achamian
    >Jason Momoa as Cnaiur urs Skiotha
    >Eva Green as Esmenet
    >Colin Farrell as Nersei Proyas

    who could play Kellhus?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the norhman is a correct choice
      someone remind me, what happened to the scalded?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >someone remind me, what happened to the scalded?
        The meatcrazed ordealmen massacre them, rape them and eat them alive

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no, I meant how they became scalded

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They literally got Hiroshima'd

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. By what.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A nuke (seriously)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A tekne artefact hidden in Dagliash, which is the only not!nuclear bomb the Consult managed to repair

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure there’s a mushroom cloud and radioactive fallout so it’s a literal nuke and not a fantasy /nuke/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They literally got Hiroshima'd

            [...]
            right side is also damnation

            A nuke (seriously)

            A tekne artefact hidden in Dagliash, which is the only not!nuclear bomb the Consult managed to repair

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ikurei Xerius and his mother

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shayonara of the consult survived in the form of some phylacteries or some shit?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When Anasûrimbor Kellhus entered Golgotterath, he was shown not what he expected, but two Larvae, one of which was Shauriatas, or Shaeönanra. A group of Dûnyain Thought-Dancers appeared, winking both grovelling Larvae out of existence. They explained they had taken the Consult over from within, and that all but Shauriatas had given in to their demands, and therefore he was the only one to be severely punished

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, anon, I asked my question right after reading that passage too. But I've forgotten what larvae are.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think Unholy Consult mentions anything other than what's in the passage we both read, it's left up to the reader to determine. he's toast, he's dead, it's over for him, he's in Hell now, etc

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly, how little details we got at the end bummed me a lot

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I enjoyed the final book but yea it was definitely rushed. Bakker thinks he's going to make more Second Apocalypse books, but we'll see, I doubt it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                On the official blog, according to a post from Bakker's brother from like June of last year, Bakker is focused on family stuff rn. I think his daughter recently got married or something. He talks about the next series a lot, but also sometimes says the series is about the death of meaning so maybe it ended perfectly.

                But then another poster on the blog, who has been confirmed to be either Bakker or someone in his inner circle, assured people that "the story will be told."

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the Fear and Hunger novelization

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty close yeah

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OOOOO GAY REAAAPPEEE

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good night, /litv/. This thread won't exist when i wake up but it was a pleasure talking with you. See you in 6 months for the next quality thread on PrepHole!

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is this worth reading? i got through maybe 10% of the first book and lost track of whats going on, got bored and moved on.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just started this and it's similar to Gardens of the Moon where you get dropped in and nothing is explained and everything seems convoluted at first. Does this series continue like this? I have to be a in a specific mood to read a series like that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, it's pretty straightforward in comparison. It does get a lot more grimdark to the point it's almost grimderp tho

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah okay I'll continue then. Just got to the part where the mage is getting threatened by some guard. Its good so far but I was worried it would be a super dense read.

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Favorite Characters, anons?
    I'm in bad luck, in the first 3 my fave was Conphas, in the next 4, Kelmomas

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lord Kosoter for me. Exudes such a strong aura of "don't fuck with me" that even an Erratic Non-man follows his orders.

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is the best girl and why is it skinspy Serwe?

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    genrefagmorons need to just die

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