On one hand I understand they probably are forbidden from accessing internet on the frontline, so they can't see gokartblownup.webm. But it's not like Ukies attacked them first. Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
Also this is a XXI century, surely some news must slip through? At least they must hear about the losses from their own units? Do the komissars from Moscow have that much of a grip on their underlings?
>Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
we are fighting the whole HATO >Also this is a XXI century, surely some news must slip through?
Slip where? Vatniks don't know english, and all local news are state owned.
At least they must hear about the losses from their own units?
Who cares when we are winning? >Do the komissars from Moscow have that much of a grip on their underlings?
Try to call war a war in your social media and see who comes knocking on your door
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
On one hand I understand they probably are forbidden from accessing internet on the frontline, so they can't see gokartblownup.webm. But it's not like Ukies attacked them first. Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
Also this is a XXI century, surely some news must slip through? At least they must hear about the losses from their own units? Do the komissars from Moscow have that much of a grip on their underlings?
>XXI century >in RASSIYA
lol, LMAO even
Outside of largest city centers people (if you even can call them that) live like it's mid 1800's. Their sources are radio and TV... on radio frequency, since they don't even get cable TV infrastructure and can't afford satellite subscription.
Smartphones, computers, internet etc. to about 95% of russian population is literally UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY BLYAT.
Why the frick do you think mobiks are so happy to steal ancient ukrainian bulky CRT TVs, toilet and washing machines?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is beside your point, but if you resurfaced the mantle, put new doors on the cabinets, and shifted the light hue away from that sickly yellow,
This hovel would probably be cozy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah it wouldn't
It's equivalent of those almost slums-tier cottages you'd see rural britain until they disappeared completely by early 1900's. Except in russia this isn't rural areas, this is city suburbia - you either get commie block or you get this.
Those shitholes are a single floor adobes, don't have foundation nor basement, the floor tiles are literally slapped into dirt, there's no insulation, the windows are wooden single layer type that doesn't even block wind out. No central heating - all you get is a stone cooking stove to heat you up - most of them serve as a bed on top of that, you shit outside, and you'd be considered lucky one to have electric and inlet water plumbing.
It is as spartan as it gets, but hey, at least you become accustomed to have extremely low temperatures indoors during fall/winter/spring, and unbearably steaming hot summer indoors experience. Suit yourself.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>to about 95% of russian population is literally UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY BLYAT.
There's no need to spread this thirdie-tier misinformation. Russia is a shithole and there are millions who live the way you described, but more than half of the population lives in those large city centers. That is not to say that these people aren't living in shit conditions too, but claiming that Russia is still populated by literal peasants is beyond moronic.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but more than half of the population lives in those large city centers.
Prooooooofs? >but claiming that Russia is still populated by literal peasants is beyond moronic.
It is truth, you dumbass. Claiming otherwise is like claiming majority of pajeets are not shitting on the streets.
Even official russian govt stats from ROSSTAT (so already heavily skewed to look better than it is in reality) show that a quarter of rassiyan population doesn't have indoors plumbing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>thirdie-tier misinformation
Why don't you ask the russians themselves then?
Here's one from city of Saratov - population of almost 1 million, which is large by european standards, and the video was filmed in the CENTRAL district of that city.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I watched your link, anon 🙂
And now I'm going to take a break from PrepHole today.
First a little cut to the soul, and then the anger.
Nobody in the world ever gets to "just be left alone." At least not forever.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wtf is that shithole, man? Even the oldest, most depopulated, rual crap town under 200 people in Spain is FAR better than that. Those streets with construction rubbish in the middle lmao.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its the eastern-slav, asiatic (chinese) mindset of "this is not mine, so I don't care about it".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You worry too much
You could use a drink!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why did the paratrooper cross the road?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why the frick do you think mobiks are so happy to steal
Because they're literal fricking gypsyes with a different name.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is about 3 specific items that they steal, which even the poorest hoodrat of blackest ghetto in Chiraq wouldn't consider worth stealing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It is about 3 specific items that they steal
Yeah they're very strict about that shit and only steal those items.
No.
Russians are absolutely incapable of rational thought and will go out of their way to avoid any information that paints them in a bad light.
Even despite their failure to take Ukraine, being reduced to fighting over Donetsk suburbs for months on end using T54s, any place where you’re able to get a glimpse into Russia (Russian military YouTube shorts, autotranslate comments) you’ll find them post about how much stronger than NATO they are.
Russians are slaves and are absolutely terrified of anyone rocking the boat. Look at how they gloated and cheered at Navalny’s death despite the fact that his whole thing was exposing government corruption and misuse of funds. What kind of buck-broken defeated people would be happy about that?
One has to learn to stop anthropomorphizing Russians.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it honestly must have been tough to wee as a non-moronic Russian. it was their only hope to stop the war
Average Russian reaction to RED Z:
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's unironically fascinating how widespread that rodent-like, semi-mongoloid phenotype is among puccyans
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you know how, in the US, when capital is pulling out from a city for whichever reason, and first the Whites leave, and then the higher agency Blacks follow, and then what forever remains behind are only the most hopeless and violently impulsive ghetto shamblers?
What if that's what happened to the Steppe, with a dash of Mongoloid rape in the wake of the Khans, after most Europoids worked their way into the best land of the Old World?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fetal alcohol syndrome.
I thought he looked like some low iq impulsive irish lads I had met.
That alcoholics are common amongst russians and irish was the only link I could come up with as they are geneticly distant.
Women using substances while pregnant are the cause of a significant portion of problems in society.
This includes legal over the counter and prescription drugs, many of the effects of which only come to light years after they are commonly used.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Give me a source to that sir pls
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
God, you can see the fetal alcohol syndrome from here.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that one dude in the balaclava
He doesn't seem thrilled to be there.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the young vatnik looks like the vatniks from the ww2 german propaganda posters
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Russian military YouTube shorts, autotranslate comments
those are bots you dumb jit
> Look at how they gloated and cheered at Navalny’s death
I guess the protests didn't exist to you
Anon, you've got millions of Americans slurping Rusian propaganda right up just because they can, and you're surprised people do it in the place where the state can and will frick their and their families' lives up if you question it openly?
Russian government has realized one truth that Westerners loathe to acknowledge: we're all collectively stupid gungho patriots and will, without fail, "rally around the flag" no matter how utterly ridiculous and dumb the war is.
The population might even secretly acknowledge it's a stupid conflict, but they won't call quits now because suddenly everyone feels "roped in" and they will viciously defend their team no matter what.
All countries ultimately do this, it's human instinct.
>Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
Yes. This is literally the entire point. Every dumb pro-war vatnik believes this. There are millions of them and the ones willing to go to war are obviously the most brainwashed. Even the mobiks, since dodging draft was as easy as throwing away your draft notice paper.
Well, I am not asking specifically about Wagner but the armed forces as a whole.
Way Putin defeated Wagner lets him defeat any other rebellion.
How did he stop Prigozhin? His special secret FSB kill squad took Prigozhin's family as hostages and then they called Prigozhin. Then they blew up his plane.
How can you defend against such master assassin tactics? You can't.
>You kill Putin's family without warning
He doesn't care much otherwise he would be grooming his daughters as hiers like Lukashenko does. But Putin doesn't.
And they have top notch security.
Not to him. Kill them, Putin breaks. Never claim it just leave him wondering. He will purge everyone to find who did it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I like the way you think.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Putin is an ex KGB agent who believes that the west has this innate desire to abuse Russia. He will immediately assume that CIA did it. Even if it will be done by one of his most loyal people, he will jump to a conclusion that said person was recruited by those damn Anglo-Saxons.
Furthermore, there's still human factor involved and it's very likely that a hit job like this will be properly investigated and uncovered. Hell, Americans might do it for Putin themselves since there's a lot of them who are genuinely and understandably not happy about the idea of their government disappearing people as a form of literal terrorism.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah, a kantian utilitarist dilemma, how interesting.
You're making some assumptions that are not justified.
1) that he gives two fricks about his family
2) that he's the one calling the shots in that den of vipers
>Mr President we searched for Anon's wife and children >Dah, show me the video >Well that's just it, we couldn't find any... >Oh a ladies man haha, well show me his girlfriend
>no girlfriend eh, must be a pidor. Find his b***h and eliminate him. >what do you mean he doesn’t have one, what kind of homosexual doesn’t have at least one Omsk Pidor chained up in his Lada?
I'm sorry, Ivan, but pretending that you're not a /misc/ troony doesn't work when you immediately follow it up with a seethe about /k/ not agreeing with /misc/'s copes about 5d chess Monke.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are the /misc/ troony since you'd rather talk /uhg/ tier shit instead of talking about military units and strategy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let's talk strategy.
Was shitting himself in fear, promising to destroy the rebels while being scared shitless of naming their leader, never engaging with them, and letting them all go because it turned out they weren't even trying to overthrow him, a good strategy on Monke's side?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Considering that it
1) Ended the rebellion
2) Retained Wagner as fighting force, though shattered and disarmed, even granting them all pardons. Made Wagner commanders come to him and bend the knee begging for forgiveness.
3) Revealed weaknesses relating to warfare on Russian land.
4) Revealed disloyalty of certain armed groups, their weak capability as QRF
5) Was accomplished with minimal losses (some pilots)
6) Did miniscule blow to Monke's reputation and did nothing in upcoming election. It was his potatoman bro that begged for Prigozhin's release and exile to Belarus, so it was framed as a favor, not as submission.
7) The traitors ended up dying in a fiery explosion after 'throwing grenades while high in coke while inside'
8) No effect on the invasion.
Back to Back Putin victory if we ignore putting trust in an ex-con Chef to be a loyal proxy army manager.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>shitting himself in fear
Irrelevant.
>while being scared shitless
Irrelevant.
Why do people think if some dude who is making decisions is being a pussy or feeling afraid matters and not the decisions he actually made and their consequences?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because Putin wasn't just afraid. He chose to sperg out on the national TV, call Prig a traitor, promise that he'll be punished. He then proceeded to let him and his people go.
Also, other than scrapping all the PMV stuff, he didn't take it as a hint to freshen up the rotting apparatus that let it all happen.
>How can you defend against such master assassin tactics?
By letting them kill your family and then going on an epic journey of revenge with your mates.
Top tier anime material.
by not having your family be in Russia to start with. That's as a minimum for any oligarch anyway.
Also it only discourages coups not stops them. Once you start a coup d'etat its a 0 sum game either you end up being el jeffe or you end up your balls hooked up to a field telephone without a middle ground or way out. As Priggy found out.
The chances are very slim but if pic related manages to somehow get to the frontline (he's asking to be sent and there are units that openly want him but the government won't allow it) and not die to a random shell, then Kino might be back on the menu.
>Priggy tries to create a PMC utopia in Russia >almost succeeds but fails at the last moment >Punished Strelkov takes the lead to fulfill his comrade's dream and to get back at those who betrayed him
Frick, it would be extremely kino
Strelkov hated the shit out of Priggy and the idea of having PMCs, and was warning about the possibility of a coup for months. They were never buddies.
Strelkov is a proper tsarist fascist (not a post-modern meme fascist like Monke) who wants to reinstate the monarchy, mobilise millions and enact a proper war economy with forced labor and such. Obviously not very popular ideas, but people in the lower echelons of the army love him because he's by far the biggest critic of Putin, commanding officers, and their moronic gambler tactics.
>hated the guts of priggy >still felt sorrow at his demise >picks up the scattered pieces of wagner to march on and take vengeance both for himself and them
Frick, it's even more kino now
I'm all for TZD, this guy deserves a bullet for being a mass murderer and wanting an even bigger war, but I still can't help but feel sympathetic towards Strelkov. He's got that Vergil aura to him, like a sympathetic villain. The only man with convictions and principles in the nest of demons who only want to consume and sow chaos. The kind of officer who would get out of the trenches and have a smoke just to boost morale of his men.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/lIgqEct.jpg
Another fun fact: Strelkov is an actual historical book definition of a right-winger. Not some homosexual natsoc who gets labeled as right wing just because his socialism was slightly to the right of Marx and had a racial tilt to it (which is magically leftist when blacks do it).
A bona fide oldschool ancien régime righty. A dying breed.
It says a lot about the state of the world that I'm able to feel some affection towards someone just for having the gall to actually believe in SOMETHING, fricking ANYTHING, just to show they've thought for more than 5 minutes about what they believe and why they believe in it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't fall for the appeal of a dictator. The dryness and consistency are what makes our society superior.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The dryness and consistency
I guess that describes our incompetent nursing home oligarchy, but it doesn't make it superior to an open dictatorship.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The guy began his career by disappearing a family in a small mountain village ostensibly under the veil of "counter terrorism". He's a coward homosexual that creeps into the houses of unarmed civilians to rape and murder them in cold blood. Glad that c**t had a stroke in jail. He can eat shit and rot in hell.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you're saying he's basically the Jap American that did Ruby Ridge.
Grim.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Was that in Chechenya or Moldova? Reminder that he was also in Serbia.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Strelkov has big 'Rommel, you magnificent bastard' energy.
He did enlist... and they told the gramps to sit in base and scrub toilets.
He left the army frustrated and a few months later they arrested him.
Everyone knows he's either an FSB bait or Putins pet butt monkey after Navalny.
For all Prigos faults, at least that guy can be funny and is popular among the people. That's what makes Priggy dangerous to Putin.
Now compare that with our favorite angry vatnik autist. Nobody wants anything to do with Strelkov.
>Everyone knows he's either an FSB bait or Putins pet butt monkey after Navalny.
Nobody except for the government shills and people moronic enough to believe them "knows" it. It's all conspiracy homosexualry spread by Putin to prevent people from supporting the opposition.
Dictators don't fricking hire people to publically discredit them by speaking truth.
He’s being prosecuted under an article that is specifically excluded from being allowed the war loophole. He needs Putin’s presidential pardon and nothing else will let gulag vertuchai let him go
Western paralysis is giving they hope. They're seeing signs that the major Western powers might pussy out like they have previous times.
They see lenience and weakness and weakness as a provocation
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the T I G E R S are a circus advert which makes the whole shit even better
>Rostov T-I-G-E-R-S.
Clown World Narrative Pressure is becoming too much. Our dimensions are becoming too synchronized. Soon the portal events will begin. I am not prepared for the Honkening.
Too bad both Cuckner and the Ukrainians fumbled the ball, Cuckner got cold feet when they realized they got way too far than they anticipated and the Piggers did nothing but post popcorn emojis instead of taking advantage of the chaos and rush Belgorod.
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Way Putin defeated Wagner lets him defeat any other rebellion.
How did he stop Prigozhin? His special secret FSB kill squad took Prigozhin's family as hostages and then they called Prigozhin. Then they blew up his plane.
How can you defend against such master assassin tactics? You can't.
>instead of taking advantage of the chaos and rush Belgorod
Yeah, you weren't watching FIRMS that day. Russians had every howitzer in the theater firing cyclic specifically to prevent that.
>Stupid enough to not have their immediate family sent out of the country for their own safety just before launching the coup.
Rebellion is done not by one man but many. Many can't secure their families unnoticed in the surveillance state. Putin essentially took all country and people as hostages.
>March to Moscow facing little resistance >Whatever resistance that did attempt to stop them got btfo >There is quite possibly nothing in the way between Wagner and Moscow >Turn around because Putin said pretty please >Get killed by Putin a month later
I'm in awe at the absolute moronation of Prig Boss. He was so close to greatness before making the dumbest decision in contemporary history.
The real reason is that, as a PMC army with zero logistics, loyalty to money and zero actual support, he could never succeed and Prigozhin knew it.
By the time he was approaching Moscow, NO ONE has joined him. Not one political party, not one military unit, he was utterly alone on the road to Moscow, armed with what the government gave him.
To enter Moscow proper he'd need to actually engage various "palace guard" units that were stationed around Moscow, were paid handsomly, spared deployment to the front and had full airland battle support, not to mention out numbering Prigozhin's actually badly trained troops - less than a month of drills then assault the trench until you die.
To assault these sorts of positions with these sorts of troops, no claim to leadership, no political support, would be suicide and he understood that, that's why he grabbed the first chance to escape he got. And then he didn't disappear himself, taking his enemies for fools, and now history will remember him as the man who died while throwing grenades in a business jet high on coke.
FSO in it's entirety, FSB anti-terror center in it's entirety. FSB Regional Spec Ops and FSB military service units, SSO from Senezh. MoD Motorized, Mechanized, Tank and AA units that are actually stationed around the fricking capital, Air-Space Force flights, Rosguard units for Moscow including their entire Spec Ops contigent AND motorized/mechanized riflemen. "GRU" training centers are around Moscow and Moscow itself is full of military schools that are full of combat experienced graduates who could easily replace any losses incurred if the fighting lasted more than a day.
With Moscow being center of gravity for business and politics, it was also center of gravity for military power, given that the city is full of high ranking officials.
Not to mention these units could readily resupply in Moscow warehouses and had logistics to do so. Prigozhin had ZERO logistics as he had no stockpile or means to deliver it to the fighting. His wounded would have to be evacuated to nowhere and that would kill the morale almost immediately.
>By the time he was approaching Moscow, NO ONE has joined him.
I think this a drastic misinterpretation. Yes, no one joined him outright. But EVERYONE was also scared shitless and did jackshit to stop Priggy. All the military people just laid their arms and let them through. A lot of them wouldn't think twice before pledging their allegiance to Priggy the moment they realize that Putin is likely to be done for.
By the time of his aproach to Moscow, multiple politicians stood explicitly for Putin, announcing so. No one did so for Prigozhin. The paralysis of 'frontline heroes' turning guns on the country and general lack of preparedness for such scenario did the trick, not that anyone had any actual loyalty to Prigozhin. Everyone did want to see where this was heading, but once it was clear that Prigozhin has zero chance of military victory and that supporting him would mean sending your own troops to reinforce him (something most politicians dont have, given that their parties do not have armed wings), the choice was obvious.
>No one did so for Prigozhin
Because that would be a death sentence to them. That's also why they chose to "station" themselves in Moscow when it's obvious that bombing the shit out of them on the move would be a superior option. Even after Putin shat himself and addressed the public about it openly stating that Prig is trying to overthrow him, no actions that posed any sort of risk were done by anyone.
Russia is a corrupt shithole with no real ideology. This kind of behaviour is to be expected.
Actually they did airstrike them on the move and that has created martyrs out of Russian flight officers. Problem was that they actually were using public roads full of people to travel, so outright carpet bombing them out of MANPAD range was untenable.
Barricading Moscow was the best choice because the ball is now in Prigozhin's court. When you're being bombed, you fight for survival. When you have to rush head first into people motivated to kill you, motivated by reinforcements and motivated by high tech medical care in the capital, you might start thinking that you don't have to pick that fight.
21st century's biggest warlord mercenary got taken out by "Come on, try it, throw the first punch, no balls".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As pathetic a gesture as it was, Putin fleeing to Pidorsburg was the correct choice for him. Nobody is under the illusion that Putin is intrepid or valiant. His person is either near at hand to threaten, or it isn't.
Priggy probably should've holed up in Rostov, instead. Why not?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>OH YOU!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Raheem, is that you? Are you pretending to be moronic to defend Monke again?
There is no fricking reality in which fighting in Moscow would be a good idea for Putin. Bombing the shit out of a convoy as it drives down a single road is both easier and would cause infinitely less collateral. The notion that Putin was afraid to hurt a dozen or two of civvies driving by to ensure his own survival is laughable.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There is no fricking reality in which fighting in Moscow would be a good idea for Putin. Bombing the shit out of a convoy as it drives down a single road is both easier and would cause infinitely less collateral. The notion that Putin was afraid to hurt a dozen or two of civvies driving by to ensure his own survival is laughable.
Then why didn't he do it, moron? The notion... You invented that notion, it literally did not happen! You're so schizophrenic, that you theorize about motives behind events that WILL NEVER HAPPEN because THEY HAPPENED DIFFERENTLY! >t. Raheem Mahmud VatBlack person Ivan Taras Khokhol Monke or whatever other boogieman you have.
https://i.imgur.com/efocDKw.jpg
As pathetic a gesture as it was, Putin fleeing to Pidorsburg was the correct choice for him. Nobody is under the illusion that Putin is intrepid or valiant. His person is either near at hand to threaten, or it isn't.
Priggy probably should've holed up in Rostov, instead. Why not?
>Let's randomly occupy a frontline command center for the frick of it. >Uhm... PUTIN LE BAD! >Meanwhile Putin uses time to consolidate support and kill you with a sniper or something such.
/k/ is really devoid of even half-witted commanders and planners.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Then why didn't he do it, moron?
Because his moronic system built on corruption and nepotism got completely paralyzed by a happening it didn't account for. Because his generals chose to shit their pants and opt for a strategy that minimized their personal risks. They chose not to engage Priggy when it made the most sense because they were afraid of making him angry all while opting for a series of performtive half-assed defensive preparations to be able to claim that they didn't betray or abandon Putin either.
This is how failed states work, Raheem.
Their institutions pretend that everything is fine and then cover their asses and shift blame when something happens.
The most likely scenario for why it all didn't end in a catastrophe is that Priggy never intended to conquer Moscow to begin with and was just trying to make a statement about quality of Shoigu's MoD. Something he openly stated himself both at the start and right after his mutiny.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He fully intended to mutiny since St. Petersburg had unmarked vans parked around the place full of money, meant for distributing to protestors and provocators, buying people off etc.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Look, guys! He fully intended to mutiny and this report by FSB proves it! There were vans with the Sims discs all over the country!
How does your defective brown brain even function at this point? You are literally trying to say that a man who prepared for a coup chose to opt out of it because *GASP* his opponent started making shitty barricades and stationing men on his way to the target.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It functions because it can read the situation unlike your autismal ass. >Fighting his way through specops that outnumber him with ex-convict conscripts with no resupply and no medical help or reinforcements. >IT IS A GOOD PLAN RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEE RAHIM RAHIM PLEASE LET HIM WIN RAHEEEEEEEEM PLEASE!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Rosgvardia >spec ops
lol
lmao
I'll make an actual read on it instead of just drive-by shitposting, though. I think Priggy made a big miscalculation in how Putin was going to take things. I think that somewhere in his mind, he actually thought he could bully Shoigu and Gerasimov into dancing to his tune. What he didn't expect was for Putin to get flashbacks to the Ghadaffi videos and go full panic mode. Suddenly, he's in a shooting war with the VKS while driving on the capital of Russia without the means to reasonably occupy or hold it against an attempt to retake the city, and with some help from Colonel Potato Peeler, they start working down from the brink of a civil war that Priggy is going to lose, but will still be a substantial problem for Putin's regime.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
More or less. The idea to threaten MoD commanders and then start high speeding towards their regional HQ is an absolutely insane move. I am surprised he didn't know they'd flee instead of being besieged.
Also Rosguard inherited Police Spec Ops like OMON, SOBR and GROM, special units like Vityaz too from MIA Internal Troops. They have their own counter terrorism center and commonly crosstrain with FSB.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're the only person here who is incapable of reading, Raheem.
Let me repeat myself: Priggy didn't plan to take Moscow. This rebellion was preceded by a year-long public conflict between Priggy and Shoigu. A conflict between two largely independent military forces fighting for a better spot under their nation's leader.
Priggy literally fricking said that he still considers Putin his leader and just wants Monke to pick a side.
None of Shoigu's men have joined the raid because Priggy never asked them to. He told them to step aside and they fricking did.
Again, these aren't some homosexual conspiracies like the van shit you brought up. All of this was public and came directly from Priggy's mouth.
Putin "won" by lying and staying with a less competent and more corrupt status quo.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>/k/
A single callout and you immediately abandon any pretence that you're not a /misc/ tourist lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're the /misc/ tourist since your only contribution to the thread is rreeeeing about /misc/ instead of participating in strategy discussion.
>remember him as the man who died throwing grenades in a jet while coked up
That part's just your flourish. If anything, that will be a comedic footnote-strike against Putin's lies.
He will be remembered as the guy who cucked. Even though your other points are prob valid.
>By the time he was approaching Moscow, NO ONE has joined him.
I think this a drastic misinterpretation. Yes, no one joined him outright. But EVERYONE was also scared shitless and did jackshit to stop Priggy. All the military people just laid their arms and let them through. A lot of them wouldn't think twice before pledging their allegiance to Priggy the moment they realize that Putin is likely to be done for.
Prigozhin plz stop
You wouldn't want them to shoot me off camera would you?
Look I got this gucci'd out PP-2000, u wudn't want that to go to waste wud you?
That's what the investigation said has happened, thus it is the official line that they'll put in books. You're free to write your own where he heroically dodges some PAK-FA assassin jet missiles or something but be ready to be called a nut.
And it'll stay in the books for as long as regime stands. And then it will be gone from those story books just like all the verifiably false fairy tales commies used to spew.
Honestly, given how much of a failed state post-2022 Russia is, they may not even be able to publish those books in time.
Another fun fact: Strelkov is an actual historical book definition of a right-winger. Not some homosexual natsoc who gets labeled as right wing just because his socialism was slightly to the right of Marx and had a racial tilt to it (which is magically leftist when blacks do it).
A bona fide oldschool ancien régime righty. A dying breed.
He's definitely a cringe loser and a POS but he's also fascinating to study. The guy is a true believer and a complete autist. He's also led an interesting life.
I mean... TECHNICALLY we still have a bunch of monarchies around and a lot of them are doing pretty damn well. It's not a total dead end if you keep the Tsar as a symbol and retain democratic institutions. But, sadly, russians are too far gone to ever truly bother.
I'd like to repeat anon's observation from the last Girkin discussion that he's an irl Medal Gere character.
He's definitely a cringe loser and a POS but he's also fascinating to study. The guy is a true believer and a complete autist. He's also led an interesting life.
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It says a lot about the state of the world that I'm able to feel some affection towards someone just for having the gall to actually believe in SOMETHING, fricking ANYTHING, just to show they've thought for more than 5 minutes about what they believe and why they believe in it.
There are consequences for revealing one's Power Level too consistently...
Do you have that Rosgvardia roadblock that was just a sandbagged HMG or AGS? I don't think I saved it and Google failed me when I tried to look for it.
>One day you're chilling like a mf, couping the government and impressing hot russian chicks with your big mercenary guns and scary tales out of bakhmut. >The next day its back to the trenches as some regular mobik smuck for regular mobik pay (nothing), but the commisar hates you now for being a traitor
When you think your live sucks remember that at least you're not a wagnercuck
A significant chunk of them fricked off to join the pro-ukrainian russians doing the border raids. And another big chunk fricked off to who-knows-where. And of course they're still doing whatever in Africa (Priggy rumored to be alive and in hiding there)
Not sure if even a majority of wagner got folded into the russian army tbh. They really did not want to
Genuinely insane that for a brief few hours, it seemed like a civil war would break out in what is the world's second largest nuclear arsenal.
I mean banter aside, what the frick man
Priggy fricked up so badly, though. It kind of proves out that he was not actually as smart or as calculated as some make him out to be. If he had been, he'd have squirreled his family away in a safe country, or at least in a remote dacha to try to ride out the thunder run.
He had enough Wager he could have put some of them on security for his family and had them with them around for the duration of the coup attempt.
His second biggest mistake was assuming he could take a swing at the king and go on living. If anything, not removing his family is a blunder, but staying after the attempt proof of he had a vodka addled brain.
He's a proper urka. The prison culture has fricked his brain way too hard and he assumed that a show of power was actually a proper way to deal with his problem.
You would have to arrest, physically remove, or otherwise oust the standing government from power. Not only was he up against Putin, he was up against the criminal oligarchs.
>You would have to arrest, physically remove, or otherwise oust the standing government from power.
Why? Just enter Moscow, occupy Kremlin and Duma, formalize the new government and wait for the oligarchs to join you as Putin's army does almost nothing. Kinda fricked up to think about how easy it is considering all the nukes.
It was.
But the leader went all in and the got cold feet.
This doesn't do well against an autocrat like Putin.
Without getting too political, it's bad when your armed forces have a dissenting commander.
Wagner was the biggest and most professional PMC in Russia. Yes, everyone was forming their own PMCs before the coup but it all got scrapped soon after.
It was kind of similar to what nazis did. Genius execution of a dumb plan that was never going to work. They knew that Shoigu's army was weak and pathetic, embarrassed the shit out of it and then died because Putin is a lying b***h who will never betray his nepotistic cabal no matter how incompetent it is. Very tragic and kino.
Bonus points for showing everyone that it can be done and that Putin's regime would actually fold in 3 days if anyone did the same thing he did to Ukraine with only a third of Putin's initial forces.
>something happened that spooked prighozin (likely the FSB finding out about his plan)
What happened is that while they were at some rear line of Bakhmut they were shelled, Prighozin even showed bodies of dead mercs killed. That's what made him start the attack.
This. >Whoever carries out the act will die slowly. >Whoever orders the act, will be forced to live with the conseqences, of which will include more than guilt.
lmao, in hindsight it really was an RTS mission-ass rebellion >One of your Commanders has rebelled and is marching towards your base! >You must halt their advance across the map and prevent them from reaching Moscow!!
Probably, Rosgvardia would presumably have inherited ZSH helmets from homosexual and SOBR and their standard issue uniform is ATACS camouflage.
There were plenty of reports of Rosgvardia either being routed or even simply letting Wagner troops through their checkpoints without offering any resistance. After the coup failed, there was a round of bloody purges specifically targeting them.
>There were plenty of reports of Rosgvardia either being routed or even simply letting Wagner troops through their checkpoints without offering any resistance. After the coup failed, there was a round of bloody purges specifically targeting them.
Do you have a link where I can read more about this?
Immediately after the mutiny failed, there was a wave of purges targeting Russian military and national guard personnel who had either switched sides or had failed to respond adequately against the putsch. Many were arrested, presumably outright murdered because this is Russia we're talking about. Surovikin was probably the most notable victim.
I'll have to sort through my bookmarks to find a reference, but it's worth noting that this wasn't the original plan. AFAIK shoigu was expected to visit the front and priggy massed troops with the plan of 'capturing' the dude when he was there, then negotiating on this basis. When the FSB figured out shit was going on (days to a week after the CIA lmao), Prigo realised this plan was never going to happen and chose this thunder run option because (presumably), with his plan uncovered there basically wasn't any going back.
I think I want to prigomaxx. Get facial surgery and alcohol bloat while learning Russian, then make a great entrance in about a decade, claim to have survived Putin's attempt on my life and start a new rebellion.
yeah
based yeahposter
Gay yeahBlack person.
yeah
Too bad it's ended only with a loud oink.
Could we get another one this spring/summer? Or do the recent(limited) successes keep the hopes up for the ziggers?
Zero chance, gayner was fully integrated into armed forces and have no strength or independence
Well, I am not asking specifically about Wagner but the armed forces as a whole.
Cattle do not rebel
On one hand I understand they probably are forbidden from accessing internet on the frontline, so they can't see gokartblownup.webm. But it's not like Ukies attacked them first. Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
Also this is a XXI century, surely some news must slip through? At least they must hear about the losses from their own units? Do the komissars from Moscow have that much of a grip on their underlings?
>Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
we are fighting the whole HATO
>Also this is a XXI century, surely some news must slip through?
Slip where? Vatniks don't know english, and all local news are state owned.
At least they must hear about the losses from their own units?
Who cares when we are winning?
>Do the komissars from Moscow have that much of a grip on their underlings?
Try to call war a war in your social media and see who comes knocking on your door
>XXI century
>in RASSIYA
lol, LMAO even
Outside of largest city centers people (if you even can call them that) live like it's mid 1800's. Their sources are radio and TV... on radio frequency, since they don't even get cable TV infrastructure and can't afford satellite subscription.
Smartphones, computers, internet etc. to about 95% of russian population is literally UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY BLYAT.
Why the frick do you think mobiks are so happy to steal ancient ukrainian bulky CRT TVs, toilet and washing machines?
This is beside your point, but if you resurfaced the mantle, put new doors on the cabinets, and shifted the light hue away from that sickly yellow,
This hovel would probably be cozy.
Nah it wouldn't
It's equivalent of those almost slums-tier cottages you'd see rural britain until they disappeared completely by early 1900's. Except in russia this isn't rural areas, this is city suburbia - you either get commie block or you get this.
Those shitholes are a single floor adobes, don't have foundation nor basement, the floor tiles are literally slapped into dirt, there's no insulation, the windows are wooden single layer type that doesn't even block wind out. No central heating - all you get is a stone cooking stove to heat you up - most of them serve as a bed on top of that, you shit outside, and you'd be considered lucky one to have electric and inlet water plumbing.
It is as spartan as it gets, but hey, at least you become accustomed to have extremely low temperatures indoors during fall/winter/spring, and unbearably steaming hot summer indoors experience. Suit yourself.
>to about 95% of russian population is literally UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY BLYAT.
There's no need to spread this thirdie-tier misinformation. Russia is a shithole and there are millions who live the way you described, but more than half of the population lives in those large city centers. That is not to say that these people aren't living in shit conditions too, but claiming that Russia is still populated by literal peasants is beyond moronic.
>but more than half of the population lives in those large city centers.
Prooooooofs?
>but claiming that Russia is still populated by literal peasants is beyond moronic.
It is truth, you dumbass. Claiming otherwise is like claiming majority of pajeets are not shitting on the streets.
Even official russian govt stats from ROSSTAT (so already heavily skewed to look better than it is in reality) show that a quarter of rassiyan population doesn't have indoors plumbing.
>thirdie-tier misinformation
Why don't you ask the russians themselves then?
Here's one from city of Saratov - population of almost 1 million, which is large by european standards, and the video was filmed in the CENTRAL district of that city.
I watched your link, anon 🙂
And now I'm going to take a break from PrepHole today.
First a little cut to the soul, and then the anger.
Nobody in the world ever gets to "just be left alone." At least not forever.
Wtf is that shithole, man? Even the oldest, most depopulated, rual crap town under 200 people in Spain is FAR better than that. Those streets with construction rubbish in the middle lmao.
Its the eastern-slav, asiatic (chinese) mindset of "this is not mine, so I don't care about it".
You worry too much
You could use a drink!
>why did the paratrooper cross the road?
>Why the frick do you think mobiks are so happy to steal
Because they're literal fricking gypsyes with a different name.
It is about 3 specific items that they steal, which even the poorest hoodrat of blackest ghetto in Chiraq wouldn't consider worth stealing.
>It is about 3 specific items that they steal
Yeah they're very strict about that shit and only steal those items.
No.
Russians are absolutely incapable of rational thought and will go out of their way to avoid any information that paints them in a bad light.
Even despite their failure to take Ukraine, being reduced to fighting over Donetsk suburbs for months on end using T54s, any place where you’re able to get a glimpse into Russia (Russian military YouTube shorts, autotranslate comments) you’ll find them post about how much stronger than NATO they are.
Russians are slaves and are absolutely terrified of anyone rocking the boat. Look at how they gloated and cheered at Navalny’s death despite the fact that his whole thing was exposing government corruption and misuse of funds. What kind of buck-broken defeated people would be happy about that?
One has to learn to stop anthropomorphizing Russians.
Average Russian reaction to RED Z:
it's unironically fascinating how widespread that rodent-like, semi-mongoloid phenotype is among puccyans
So you know how, in the US, when capital is pulling out from a city for whichever reason, and first the Whites leave, and then the higher agency Blacks follow, and then what forever remains behind are only the most hopeless and violently impulsive ghetto shamblers?
What if that's what happened to the Steppe, with a dash of Mongoloid rape in the wake of the Khans, after most Europoids worked their way into the best land of the Old World?
Fetal alcohol syndrome.
I thought he looked like some low iq impulsive irish lads I had met.
That alcoholics are common amongst russians and irish was the only link I could come up with as they are geneticly distant.
Women using substances while pregnant are the cause of a significant portion of problems in society.
This includes legal over the counter and prescription drugs, many of the effects of which only come to light years after they are commonly used.
Give me a source to that sir pls
God, you can see the fetal alcohol syndrome from here.
>that one dude in the balaclava
He doesn't seem thrilled to be there.
the young vatnik looks like the vatniks from the ww2 german propaganda posters
>Russian military YouTube shorts, autotranslate comments
those are bots you dumb jit
> Look at how they gloated and cheered at Navalny’s death
I guess the protests didn't exist to you
Anon, you've got millions of Americans slurping Rusian propaganda right up just because they can, and you're surprised people do it in the place where the state can and will frick their and their families' lives up if you question it openly?
Russian government has realized one truth that Westerners loathe to acknowledge: we're all collectively stupid gungho patriots and will, without fail, "rally around the flag" no matter how utterly ridiculous and dumb the war is.
The population might even secretly acknowledge it's a stupid conflict, but they won't call quits now because suddenly everyone feels "roped in" and they will viciously defend their team no matter what.
All countries ultimately do this, it's human instinct.
>Do they brainwash Russians into believing that Ukraine was going to attack them or something and this is a fight for survival of their nation?
Yes. This is literally the entire point. Every dumb pro-war vatnik believes this. There are millions of them and the ones willing to go to war are obviously the most brainwashed. Even the mobiks, since dodging draft was as easy as throwing away your draft notice paper.
Way Putin defeated Wagner lets him defeat any other rebellion.
How did he stop Prigozhin? His special secret FSB kill squad took Prigozhin's family as hostages and then they called Prigozhin. Then they blew up his plane.
How can you defend against such master assassin tactics? You can't.
>How can you defend against such master assassin tactics?
Be an orphan?
You kill Putin's family without warning
Get him off balance
Let him freak out because no one claims it
He's dead in the head at that point
Just kill his family.
>You kill Putin's family without warning
He doesn't care much otherwise he would be grooming his daughters as hiers like Lukashenko does. But Putin doesn't.
And they have top notch security.
You think he only has daughters. Anon he's got 11 kids. 1 ex wife, 3 baby mommas
Secret bastards are even less relevant.
Not to him. Kill them, Putin breaks. Never claim it just leave him wondering. He will purge everyone to find who did it.
I like the way you think.
Putin is an ex KGB agent who believes that the west has this innate desire to abuse Russia. He will immediately assume that CIA did it. Even if it will be done by one of his most loyal people, he will jump to a conclusion that said person was recruited by those damn Anglo-Saxons.
Furthermore, there's still human factor involved and it's very likely that a hit job like this will be properly investigated and uncovered. Hell, Americans might do it for Putin themselves since there's a lot of them who are genuinely and understandably not happy about the idea of their government disappearing people as a form of literal terrorism.
Ah, a kantian utilitarist dilemma, how interesting.
You're making some assumptions that are not justified.
1) that he gives two fricks about his family
2) that he's the one calling the shots in that den of vipers
>secret FSB kill squad
most likely unit 92154, they're like a Putin's personal SOF and way more trustworthy than the regular FSB or GRU spetsnaz goons
>Mr President we searched for Anon's wife and children
>Dah, show me the video
>Well that's just it, we couldn't find any...
>Oh a ladies man haha, well show me his girlfriend
>no social media, no friends, he's like a ghost...
>I knew it, blyat! The labgrown CIA assassins are real!
a loser you say? Good, we will use this in smearing campaign. Now, give me his friends.
>his friends? Sir…
>no girlfriend eh, must be a pidor. Find his b***h and eliminate him.
>what do you mean he doesn’t have one, what kind of homosexual doesn’t have at least one Omsk Pidor chained up in his Lada?
Tell me Taras, why doesn't Ukraine have it's own imageboard and it's own /k/?
I'm sorry, Ivan, but pretending that you're not a /misc/ troony doesn't work when you immediately follow it up with a seethe about /k/ not agreeing with /misc/'s copes about 5d chess Monke.
You are the /misc/ troony since you'd rather talk /uhg/ tier shit instead of talking about military units and strategy.
Let's talk strategy.
Was shitting himself in fear, promising to destroy the rebels while being scared shitless of naming their leader, never engaging with them, and letting them all go because it turned out they weren't even trying to overthrow him, a good strategy on Monke's side?
Considering that it
1) Ended the rebellion
2) Retained Wagner as fighting force, though shattered and disarmed, even granting them all pardons. Made Wagner commanders come to him and bend the knee begging for forgiveness.
3) Revealed weaknesses relating to warfare on Russian land.
4) Revealed disloyalty of certain armed groups, their weak capability as QRF
5) Was accomplished with minimal losses (some pilots)
6) Did miniscule blow to Monke's reputation and did nothing in upcoming election. It was his potatoman bro that begged for Prigozhin's release and exile to Belarus, so it was framed as a favor, not as submission.
7) The traitors ended up dying in a fiery explosion after 'throwing grenades while high in coke while inside'
8) No effect on the invasion.
Back to Back Putin victory if we ignore putting trust in an ex-con Chef to be a loyal proxy army manager.
>shitting himself in fear
Irrelevant.
>while being scared shitless
Irrelevant.
Why do people think if some dude who is making decisions is being a pussy or feeling afraid matters and not the decisions he actually made and their consequences?
Because Putin wasn't just afraid. He chose to sperg out on the national TV, call Prig a traitor, promise that he'll be punished. He then proceeded to let him and his people go.
Also, other than scrapping all the PMV stuff, he didn't take it as a hint to freshen up the rotting apparatus that let it all happen.
What does the son of Poseidon have to do with this?
>How can you defend against such master assassin tactics?
By letting them kill your family and then going on an epic journey of revenge with your mates.
Top tier anime material.
by not having your family be in Russia to start with. That's as a minimum for any oligarch anyway.
Also it only discourages coups not stops them. Once you start a coup d'etat its a 0 sum game either you end up being el jeffe or you end up your balls hooked up to a field telephone without a middle ground or way out. As Priggy found out.
That's why you start your coup by killing your family yourself.
>How can you defend against such master assassin tactics? You can't.
Move your family into hiding before you launch your rebellion.
You do what he does. Stab him in the back.
Rule #1 for those seeking power by violent means:
Never have a family, and if you must, never let anyone know.
>Could we get another one this spring/summer?
And who will do it?
Some tired guys could organize something maybe.
Nah, Russian revolutions need a face to them, "some dude no one knew before now" wouldn't be worth it.
The chances are very slim but if pic related manages to somehow get to the frontline (he's asking to be sent and there are units that openly want him but the government won't allow it) and not die to a random shell, then Kino might be back on the menu.
Strelkov attempted to enlist in the DPR militia in 2022, but he was removed by someone in a higher position. It's sadly not happening.
They look exactly the same. It's like he's giving his 17-year-old self a medal.
>Priggy tries to create a PMC utopia in Russia
>almost succeeds but fails at the last moment
>Punished Strelkov takes the lead to fulfill his comrade's dream and to get back at those who betrayed him
Frick, it would be extremely kino
Stop giving me false hopes.
Strelkov hated the shit out of Priggy and the idea of having PMCs, and was warning about the possibility of a coup for months. They were never buddies.
Strelkov is a proper tsarist fascist (not a post-modern meme fascist like Monke) who wants to reinstate the monarchy, mobilise millions and enact a proper war economy with forced labor and such. Obviously not very popular ideas, but people in the lower echelons of the army love him because he's by far the biggest critic of Putin, commanding officers, and their moronic gambler tactics.
>hated the guts of priggy
>still felt sorrow at his demise
>picks up the scattered pieces of wagner to march on and take vengeance both for himself and them
Frick, it's even more kino now
I'm all for TZD, this guy deserves a bullet for being a mass murderer and wanting an even bigger war, but I still can't help but feel sympathetic towards Strelkov. He's got that Vergil aura to him, like a sympathetic villain. The only man with convictions and principles in the nest of demons who only want to consume and sow chaos. The kind of officer who would get out of the trenches and have a smoke just to boost morale of his men.
It says a lot about the state of the world that I'm able to feel some affection towards someone just for having the gall to actually believe in SOMETHING, fricking ANYTHING, just to show they've thought for more than 5 minutes about what they believe and why they believe in it.
Don't fall for the appeal of a dictator. The dryness and consistency are what makes our society superior.
>The dryness and consistency
I guess that describes our incompetent nursing home oligarchy, but it doesn't make it superior to an open dictatorship.
The guy began his career by disappearing a family in a small mountain village ostensibly under the veil of "counter terrorism". He's a coward homosexual that creeps into the houses of unarmed civilians to rape and murder them in cold blood. Glad that c**t had a stroke in jail. He can eat shit and rot in hell.
So you're saying he's basically the Jap American that did Ruby Ridge.
Grim.
Was that in Chechenya or Moldova? Reminder that he was also in Serbia.
Strelkov has big 'Rommel, you magnificent bastard' energy.
yeah, he's overrated glory hog all right.
We should petition the Russian government to let him fight.
He did enlist... and they told the gramps to sit in base and scrub toilets.
He left the army frustrated and a few months later they arrested him.
Everyone knows he's either an FSB bait or Putins pet butt monkey after Navalny.
For all Prigos faults, at least that guy can be funny and is popular among the people. That's what makes Priggy dangerous to Putin.
Now compare that with our favorite angry vatnik autist. Nobody wants anything to do with Strelkov.
>Everyone knows he's either an FSB bait or Putins pet butt monkey after Navalny.
Nobody except for the government shills and people moronic enough to believe them "knows" it. It's all conspiracy homosexualry spread by Putin to prevent people from supporting the opposition.
Dictators don't fricking hire people to publically discredit them by speaking truth.
He’s being prosecuted under an article that is specifically excluded from being allowed the war loophole. He needs Putin’s presidential pardon and nothing else will let gulag vertuchai let him go
Western paralysis is giving they hope. They're seeing signs that the major Western powers might pussy out like they have previous times.
They see lenience and weakness and weakness as a provocation
Yes.
>you will never get to see mercenary kino akin to the 30 years war again in your life
why even live?
>akin to the 30 years war
qrd?
>quick
anon it lasted 30 years
Even Rostov has T-I-G-E-R-S.
the T I G E R S are a circus advert which makes the whole shit even better
>Rostov T-I-G-E-R-S.
Clown World Narrative Pressure is becoming too much. Our dimensions are becoming too synchronized. Soon the portal events will begin. I am not prepared for the Honkening.
Too bad both Cuckner and the Ukrainians fumbled the ball, Cuckner got cold feet when they realized they got way too far than they anticipated and the Piggers did nothing but post popcorn emojis instead of taking advantage of the chaos and rush Belgorod.
You cant win against Putin.
>instead of taking advantage of the chaos and rush Belgorod
Yeah, you weren't watching FIRMS that day. Russians had every howitzer in the theater firing cyclic specifically to prevent that.
>Stupid enough to not have their immediate family sent out of the country for their own safety just before launching the coup.
Rebellion is done not by one man but many. Many can't secure their families unnoticed in the surveillance state. Putin essentially took all country and people as hostages.
>March to Moscow facing little resistance
>Whatever resistance that did attempt to stop them got btfo
>There is quite possibly nothing in the way between Wagner and Moscow
>Turn around because Putin said pretty please
>Get killed by Putin a month later
I'm in awe at the absolute moronation of Prig Boss. He was so close to greatness before making the dumbest decision in contemporary history.
The real reason is that, as a PMC army with zero logistics, loyalty to money and zero actual support, he could never succeed and Prigozhin knew it.
By the time he was approaching Moscow, NO ONE has joined him. Not one political party, not one military unit, he was utterly alone on the road to Moscow, armed with what the government gave him.
To enter Moscow proper he'd need to actually engage various "palace guard" units that were stationed around Moscow, were paid handsomly, spared deployment to the front and had full airland battle support, not to mention out numbering Prigozhin's actually badly trained troops - less than a month of drills then assault the trench until you die.
To assault these sorts of positions with these sorts of troops, no claim to leadership, no political support, would be suicide and he understood that, that's why he grabbed the first chance to escape he got. And then he didn't disappear himself, taking his enemies for fools, and now history will remember him as the man who died while throwing grenades in a business jet high on coke.
>various "palace guard" units that were stationed around Moscow
What units? The 1GTA got destroyed in Ukraine.
FSO in it's entirety, FSB anti-terror center in it's entirety. FSB Regional Spec Ops and FSB military service units, SSO from Senezh. MoD Motorized, Mechanized, Tank and AA units that are actually stationed around the fricking capital, Air-Space Force flights, Rosguard units for Moscow including their entire Spec Ops contigent AND motorized/mechanized riflemen. "GRU" training centers are around Moscow and Moscow itself is full of military schools that are full of combat experienced graduates who could easily replace any losses incurred if the fighting lasted more than a day.
With Moscow being center of gravity for business and politics, it was also center of gravity for military power, given that the city is full of high ranking officials.
Not to mention these units could readily resupply in Moscow warehouses and had logistics to do so. Prigozhin had ZERO logistics as he had no stockpile or means to deliver it to the fighting. His wounded would have to be evacuated to nowhere and that would kill the morale almost immediately.
By the time of his aproach to Moscow, multiple politicians stood explicitly for Putin, announcing so. No one did so for Prigozhin. The paralysis of 'frontline heroes' turning guns on the country and general lack of preparedness for such scenario did the trick, not that anyone had any actual loyalty to Prigozhin. Everyone did want to see where this was heading, but once it was clear that Prigozhin has zero chance of military victory and that supporting him would mean sending your own troops to reinforce him (something most politicians dont have, given that their parties do not have armed wings), the choice was obvious.
>No one did so for Prigozhin
Because that would be a death sentence to them. That's also why they chose to "station" themselves in Moscow when it's obvious that bombing the shit out of them on the move would be a superior option. Even after Putin shat himself and addressed the public about it openly stating that Prig is trying to overthrow him, no actions that posed any sort of risk were done by anyone.
Russia is a corrupt shithole with no real ideology. This kind of behaviour is to be expected.
Actually they did airstrike them on the move and that has created martyrs out of Russian flight officers. Problem was that they actually were using public roads full of people to travel, so outright carpet bombing them out of MANPAD range was untenable.
Barricading Moscow was the best choice because the ball is now in Prigozhin's court. When you're being bombed, you fight for survival. When you have to rush head first into people motivated to kill you, motivated by reinforcements and motivated by high tech medical care in the capital, you might start thinking that you don't have to pick that fight.
21st century's biggest warlord mercenary got taken out by "Come on, try it, throw the first punch, no balls".
As pathetic a gesture as it was, Putin fleeing to Pidorsburg was the correct choice for him. Nobody is under the illusion that Putin is intrepid or valiant. His person is either near at hand to threaten, or it isn't.
Priggy probably should've holed up in Rostov, instead. Why not?
>OH YOU!
Raheem, is that you? Are you pretending to be moronic to defend Monke again?
There is no fricking reality in which fighting in Moscow would be a good idea for Putin. Bombing the shit out of a convoy as it drives down a single road is both easier and would cause infinitely less collateral. The notion that Putin was afraid to hurt a dozen or two of civvies driving by to ensure his own survival is laughable.
>There is no fricking reality in which fighting in Moscow would be a good idea for Putin. Bombing the shit out of a convoy as it drives down a single road is both easier and would cause infinitely less collateral. The notion that Putin was afraid to hurt a dozen or two of civvies driving by to ensure his own survival is laughable.
Then why didn't he do it, moron? The notion... You invented that notion, it literally did not happen! You're so schizophrenic, that you theorize about motives behind events that WILL NEVER HAPPEN because THEY HAPPENED DIFFERENTLY!
>t. Raheem Mahmud VatBlack person Ivan Taras Khokhol Monke or whatever other boogieman you have.
>Let's randomly occupy a frontline command center for the frick of it.
>Uhm... PUTIN LE BAD!
>Meanwhile Putin uses time to consolidate support and kill you with a sniper or something such.
/k/ is really devoid of even half-witted commanders and planners.
>Then why didn't he do it, moron?
Because his moronic system built on corruption and nepotism got completely paralyzed by a happening it didn't account for. Because his generals chose to shit their pants and opt for a strategy that minimized their personal risks. They chose not to engage Priggy when it made the most sense because they were afraid of making him angry all while opting for a series of performtive half-assed defensive preparations to be able to claim that they didn't betray or abandon Putin either.
This is how failed states work, Raheem.
Their institutions pretend that everything is fine and then cover their asses and shift blame when something happens.
The most likely scenario for why it all didn't end in a catastrophe is that Priggy never intended to conquer Moscow to begin with and was just trying to make a statement about quality of Shoigu's MoD. Something he openly stated himself both at the start and right after his mutiny.
He fully intended to mutiny since St. Petersburg had unmarked vans parked around the place full of money, meant for distributing to protestors and provocators, buying people off etc.
>Look, guys! He fully intended to mutiny and this report by FSB proves it! There were vans with the Sims discs all over the country!
How does your defective brown brain even function at this point? You are literally trying to say that a man who prepared for a coup chose to opt out of it because *GASP* his opponent started making shitty barricades and stationing men on his way to the target.
It functions because it can read the situation unlike your autismal ass.
>Fighting his way through specops that outnumber him with ex-convict conscripts with no resupply and no medical help or reinforcements.
>IT IS A GOOD PLAN RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEE RAHIM RAHIM PLEASE LET HIM WIN RAHEEEEEEEEM PLEASE!
>Rosgvardia
>spec ops
lol
lmao
I'll make an actual read on it instead of just drive-by shitposting, though. I think Priggy made a big miscalculation in how Putin was going to take things. I think that somewhere in his mind, he actually thought he could bully Shoigu and Gerasimov into dancing to his tune. What he didn't expect was for Putin to get flashbacks to the Ghadaffi videos and go full panic mode. Suddenly, he's in a shooting war with the VKS while driving on the capital of Russia without the means to reasonably occupy or hold it against an attempt to retake the city, and with some help from Colonel Potato Peeler, they start working down from the brink of a civil war that Priggy is going to lose, but will still be a substantial problem for Putin's regime.
More or less. The idea to threaten MoD commanders and then start high speeding towards their regional HQ is an absolutely insane move. I am surprised he didn't know they'd flee instead of being besieged.
Also Rosguard inherited Police Spec Ops like OMON, SOBR and GROM, special units like Vityaz too from MIA Internal Troops. They have their own counter terrorism center and commonly crosstrain with FSB.
You're the only person here who is incapable of reading, Raheem.
Let me repeat myself: Priggy didn't plan to take Moscow. This rebellion was preceded by a year-long public conflict between Priggy and Shoigu. A conflict between two largely independent military forces fighting for a better spot under their nation's leader.
Priggy literally fricking said that he still considers Putin his leader and just wants Monke to pick a side.
None of Shoigu's men have joined the raid because Priggy never asked them to. He told them to step aside and they fricking did.
Again, these aren't some homosexual conspiracies like the van shit you brought up. All of this was public and came directly from Priggy's mouth.
Putin "won" by lying and staying with a less competent and more corrupt status quo.
>/k/
A single callout and you immediately abandon any pretence that you're not a /misc/ tourist lmao
You're the /misc/ tourist since your only contribution to the thread is rreeeeing about /misc/ instead of participating in strategy discussion.
>remember him as the man who died throwing grenades in a jet while coked up
That part's just your flourish. If anything, that will be a comedic footnote-strike against Putin's lies.
He will be remembered as the guy who cucked. Even though your other points are prob valid.
>By the time he was approaching Moscow, NO ONE has joined him.
I think this a drastic misinterpretation. Yes, no one joined him outright. But EVERYONE was also scared shitless and did jackshit to stop Priggy. All the military people just laid their arms and let them through. A lot of them wouldn't think twice before pledging their allegiance to Priggy the moment they realize that Putin is likely to be done for.
Prigozhin plz stop
You wouldn't want them to shoot me off camera would you?
Look I got this gucci'd out PP-2000, u wudn't want that to go to waste wud you?
No one opposed him either, so he still should've taken the chance.
>throwing grenades in a business jet high on coke.
That's what the investigation said has happened, thus it is the official line that they'll put in books. You're free to write your own where he heroically dodges some PAK-FA assassin jet missiles or something but be ready to be called a nut.
>that they'll put in books
Russian books, that none will read
And it'll stay in the books for as long as regime stands. And then it will be gone from those story books just like all the verifiably false fairy tales commies used to spew.
Honestly, given how much of a failed state post-2022 Russia is, they may not even be able to publish those books in time.
i think you seriously overestimate how liked Putin is in Russia, and how willing people are to die for him
>was very kino
because it was literally a show
Another fun fact: Strelkov is an actual historical book definition of a right-winger. Not some homosexual natsoc who gets labeled as right wing just because his socialism was slightly to the right of Marx and had a racial tilt to it (which is magically leftist when blacks do it).
A bona fide oldschool ancien régime righty. A dying breed.
>ancien régime righty
Unfortunately theses types might be based on paper but in the real 21st century world they just end up being cringy loosers.
He's definitely a cringe loser and a POS but he's also fascinating to study. The guy is a true believer and a complete autist. He's also led an interesting life.
I mean... TECHNICALLY we still have a bunch of monarchies around and a lot of them are doing pretty damn well. It's not a total dead end if you keep the Tsar as a symbol and retain democratic institutions. But, sadly, russians are too far gone to ever truly bother.
Those are simply american vassal states they have nothing to do with monarchy or even democracy.
Sure thing, Raheem.
I'd like to repeat anon's observation from the last Girkin discussion that he's an irl Medal Gere character.
There are consequences for revealing one's Power Level too consistently...
I miss Big Prig so much, bros
I TRIED SO HARD,
AND CAME SO FAR...
BUT IN THE END,
IT DIDN'T EVEN MATTER-R-R
it honestly must have been tough to wee as a non-moronic Russian. it was their only hope to stop the war
*see ffs
Why did prig cuck out? It would have been one of the most kino moments of the century.
they got to his family, though not sure if that's all confirmed
He waited for days if his allies and some of the elites in Moscow would join him, but nobody joined. So he called it off.
The rebellion lasted less than 24 hours, you monke cumrag.
Member how they started dismantling public roads due to sheer panic? Prighozin had everything at his fingertips.
They pivoted one of their river bridges 60° as well, but I doubt I still have that pic.
(myself)
Nyep found it
TBF, it's supposed to do that so that barges can get by. Would have been a hell of a kino to see Wagner force a river crossing in BTRs, though.
Do you have that Rosgvardia roadblock that was just a sandbagged HMG or AGS? I don't think I saved it and Google failed me when I tried to look for it.
I don't, even though it was lulzy I just didn't find it spectacular enough.
Same with the bus blockade
Damn. Well, it was worth a shot. Thanks for the bridge pic.
The Aussie gamer man put it in the powerpoint about the mutiny, you can grab a screencap
Cheers, that was enough to get me the full pic.
What do you think those cops and rosguard thought and felt while putting up these haphazard roadblocks?
Resignation, I'd guess
Ah yes, the 1905 of the modern era.
Wee!
>just turned against you government and occupied a strategically important city
>time for breakfast at McVova's
Unfathomably based
Breakfast is the most important meal of the day after all.
>can I get uh...
>1 "large marcus" meat sandwich
>1 large oil-cooked potat sticks
>1 regime change
>1 medium pepsi no ice
I'm stealing this joke from another anon 10 months ago, but
>Ass Status: Missing
not naming the file T I G E R S.jpg
ROSTOV IS UNDER SIEGE
UNDER LOCKDOWN
28 ROSGVARDIA PULLING UP
IN BLACK FORD RAPTOR TRUCKS
GONNA FRICK SOME WAGNER BUTTS
Hello, FSB? I'd like to report a Gachimuchi cell
(Meanwhile, Chechens: ...
.
.
.
"stuck in traffic")
who are the ute guys? rosgays?
>One day you're chilling like a mf, couping the government and impressing hot russian chicks with your big mercenary guns and scary tales out of bakhmut.
>The next day its back to the trenches as some regular mobik smuck for regular mobik pay (nothing), but the commisar hates you now for being a traitor
When you think your live sucks remember that at least you're not a wagnercuck
A significant chunk of them fricked off to join the pro-ukrainian russians doing the border raids. And another big chunk fricked off to who-knows-where. And of course they're still doing whatever in Africa (Priggy rumored to be alive and in hiding there)
Not sure if even a majority of wagner got folded into the russian army tbh. They really did not want to
They did, they got sent to the Storm Z units. Others joined smaller Merc groups fighting in Ukraine.
Genuinely insane that for a brief few hours, it seemed like a civil war would break out in what is the world's second largest nuclear arsenal.
I mean banter aside, what the frick man
Priggy fricked up so badly, though. It kind of proves out that he was not actually as smart or as calculated as some make him out to be. If he had been, he'd have squirreled his family away in a safe country, or at least in a remote dacha to try to ride out the thunder run.
He had enough Wager he could have put some of them on security for his family and had them with them around for the duration of the coup attempt.
His second biggest mistake was assuming he could take a swing at the king and go on living. If anything, not removing his family is a blunder, but staying after the attempt proof of he had a vodka addled brain.
He's a proper urka. The prison culture has fricked his brain way too hard and he assumed that a show of power was actually a proper way to deal with his problem.
would be endlessly talked to death if it was azov booking it to kiev over some bullshit
It was unsuccessful as he did not directly challenge Putin and took a deal, then was assassinated.
You would have to arrest, physically remove, or otherwise oust the standing government from power. Not only was he up against Putin, he was up against the criminal oligarchs.
>You would have to arrest, physically remove, or otherwise oust the standing government from power.
Why? Just enter Moscow, occupy Kremlin and Duma, formalize the new government and wait for the oligarchs to join you as Putin's army does almost nothing. Kinda fricked up to think about how easy it is considering all the nukes.
It was.
But the leader went all in and the got cold feet.
This doesn't do well against an autocrat like Putin.
Without getting too political, it's bad when your armed forces have a dissenting commander.
kinda bummed it didn't become a tradition. people were hoping for all kinds of disgruntled PMCs marching on the kremlin every couple of months or so
Wagner was the biggest and most professional PMC in Russia. Yes, everyone was forming their own PMCs before the coup but it all got scrapped soon after.
It was kind of similar to what nazis did. Genius execution of a dumb plan that was never going to work. They knew that Shoigu's army was weak and pathetic, embarrassed the shit out of it and then died because Putin is a lying b***h who will never betray his nepotistic cabal no matter how incompetent it is. Very tragic and kino.
Bonus points for showing everyone that it can be done and that Putin's regime would actually fold in 3 days if anyone did the same thing he did to Ukraine with only a third of Putin's initial forces.
>Genius execution of a dumb plan that was never going to work
IIRC the original plan was to capture shoigu during his upcoming visit to rostov and hold him hostage/go into seige mode
something happened that spooked prighozin (likely the FSB finding out about his plan) and he hastily put together the thunder run instead
>something happened that spooked prighozin (likely the FSB finding out about his plan)
What happened is that while they were at some rear line of Bakhmut they were shelled, Prighozin even showed bodies of dead mercs killed. That's what made him start the attack.
That might not have been what started it
Priggie should have called Putin's bluff
>oh you're going to murder my family? We're about to take over the country - we'll come for you and your families then, da?
This.
>Whoever carries out the act will die slowly.
>Whoever orders the act, will be forced to live with the conseqences, of which will include more than guilt.
lmao, in hindsight it really was an RTS mission-ass rebellion
>One of your Commanders has rebelled and is marching towards your base!
>You must halt their advance across the map and prevent them from reaching Moscow!!
fun times
roadblock 10/10
are those fed grunts and wagner vehicles?
Probably, Rosgvardia would presumably have inherited ZSH helmets from homosexual and SOBR and their standard issue uniform is ATACS camouflage.
There were plenty of reports of Rosgvardia either being routed or even simply letting Wagner troops through their checkpoints without offering any resistance. After the coup failed, there was a round of bloody purges specifically targeting them.
>There were plenty of reports of Rosgvardia either being routed or even simply letting Wagner troops through their checkpoints without offering any resistance. After the coup failed, there was a round of bloody purges specifically targeting them.
Do you have a link where I can read more about this?
Immediately after the mutiny failed, there was a wave of purges targeting Russian military and national guard personnel who had either switched sides or had failed to respond adequately against the putsch. Many were arrested, presumably outright murdered because this is Russia we're talking about. Surovikin was probably the most notable victim.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-troops-purge-punishment-prigozhin-wagner-mutiny-rebellion-surovikin-1809787
>those fricking armbands
Even if they are just unit numbers, Russians really lack any kind of self-reflection
we couldve had the next caeser... prigozhin was a pussy
I'll have to sort through my bookmarks to find a reference, but it's worth noting that this wasn't the original plan. AFAIK shoigu was expected to visit the front and priggy massed troops with the plan of 'capturing' the dude when he was there, then negotiating on this basis. When the FSB figured out shit was going on (days to a week after the CIA lmao), Prigo realised this plan was never going to happen and chose this thunder run option because (presumably), with his plan uncovered there basically wasn't any going back.
>PUTIN! GERASIMOV! HERE IS THE FRICKING SHOIGU!
vgh, what could have been
I think I want to prigomaxx. Get facial surgery and alcohol bloat while learning Russian, then make a great entrance in about a decade, claim to have survived Putin's attempt on my life and start a new rebellion.
>Putin sent us to hell
>But we're going even deeper
>Rubbing our noses in bloody Bahkmut dirt
>All for revenge
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I guess he wasn't that guy, pal
It was the definition of a wet fart.