As much as people meme about muh big iron cowboy revolvers, guns like that S&W no. 2, vest-pocket pistols, derringers, pepperboxes, and such were far more common back in the day.
What are you talking about? The shogunate fell, the emperor was restored. Everything that Sakamoto agitated for was achieved e.g. Democratization, restoration, renegotiation of shitty bakufu treaties, modernization etc. Yeah, some samurai cried about losing prestige but frick those guys. The shogunate were essentially selling their country off for pennies on the dollar and nobody on either side really thought feudalism could keep going on.
Some of the Samurai got shafted. Many Samurai still owned land and many ended up joining the army. They lost some privileges but they knew this was what they were fighting for and most that survived the fighting ended up better off than before the revolution.
>All the samurai who supported meiji got shafted n00b
What
Some of the Samurai got shafted. Many Samurai still owned land and many ended up joining the army. They lost some privileges but they knew this was what they were fighting for and most that survived the fighting ended up better off than before the revolution.
is correct. The only samurai who got fricked by the restoration were the extremists who unironically believed that the restoration of imperial rule would give them carte blanche to kill all foreigners and, on the opposite end of the spectrum, the ones who were hereditary retainers with no-show jobs who weren't important enough to make it on name alone (like the daimyos) but who disdained the idea of performing useful work. The government actually set up a work-program for the latter group that wasn't very successful.
I also want to add that while Sakamoto was a samurai, his other personal circumstances are why he was a big westaboo. He was actually descended from a well-off family of merchants who had bought samurai rank. This in itself was looked down upon, just like in France (look up nobles of the robe vs. nobles of the sword), but what made things worse was that Tosa, his homeland, enforced severe social discrimination by higher ranking samurai (joshi) against lower-ranking ones (kachi). This is one of the reasons he came to admire America as much as he did--that we have a system where any citizen, regardless of his birthright or occupation, can become the leader of the country if he gets enough popularity.
Sakamoto was literally a second class samurai, aka. one from the boonies that 'noble' samurai treated like utter dogshit. Which was part of the reason he wanted the shogunate gone.
He wasnt even second class. He was the bottom of the pile, as low as it gets while still being in good standing. The Tosa domain was one of the least relevant territories in the country and he was from the merchant class. That's why he's so well-regarded in modern Japan, because he was a forward-facing guy who respected his country and traditions but wanted to take away the stupid caste system that held it back.
It's no surprise Kyushu and Shikoku were staunchly anti-shogunate. They had been discriminated against for centuries, due to those regions being considered backwaters by the Honshu samurai.
Sakamoto was literally a second class samurai, aka. one from the boonies that 'noble' samurai treated like utter dogshit. Which was part of the reason he wanted the shogunate gone.
He wasnt even second class. He was the bottom of the pile, as low as it gets while still being in good standing. The Tosa domain was one of the least relevant territories in the country and he was from the merchant class. That's why he's so well-regarded in modern Japan, because he was a forward-facing guy who respected his country and traditions but wanted to take away the stupid caste system that held it back.
Samurai Revolution is very good, though the period is very complicated so it might be hard to understand if you're going in blind. It took me two or three reads over a couple years to really fully grasp everything the book was talking about.
>Revolver and Katana
The late Edo to early Meiji period was a weird time for Japan. The whole island basically went from a medieval kingdom to a modern world power in a single lifetime.
>The whole island basically went from a medieval kingdom to a modern world power in a single lifetime
i wouldn't say world-power. They were top dog in east asia, certainly, but i don't think they had that much influence outside of it.
Depends on how generous you are with "lifetime" but someone born in 1845 who lived to 80 would have seen Japan go from the leading military technology of the day go from arquebus to aircraft carrier. During the end of the Sengoku period they transitioned to firearms there were bloody wars for a couple of generations and then there was ~200 years of (mostly) peace and technological stagnation. While Europe was improving metallurgy and shipbuilding and weapons tech during that period the Japanese just kinda did their own thing in a bubble and then when they opened up again they modernized in a frenzy across the board - blast furnaces, shipyards, modern small arms, modern factories, railways, electricity, tractors, etc.
A technicality from beating Russia. Being a local power in Asia basically meant being at the average asian tech level. However, Japan was on par with European powers but obviously couldn't be considered a European power. So I just defaulted to world power.
We had knights with guns too in Europe doing pseudo jousts where theyd just ride by eachother dropping shots into eachother. Hell every culture that experienced guns had some kino transitory stages.
the guy basically started practice pistol shooting like he would with swords, as soon as he learned about these new fancy oversea guns that can shoot more than once.
I'm more confused by the fact that the guy with the guns is so fast he can get a bead on someone who is, themselves, so fast they can cut bullets out of the air.
I'm more confused by the fact that the guy with the guns is so fast he can get a bead on someone who is, themselves, so fast they can cut bullets out of the air.
The best fighters in the series use gunkata, so it's logically consistent in-universe.
There wont be so much as a stream in east asia that isnt more toxic than a wienertail of bottles from under my sink. I dont think you can run a society with a 90% cancer rate.
If you want to see some funny stuff, look into scholarship about how African miners view the conflict minerals (i.e. coltan, cassiterite, cobalt) that they mine and ship to Europe or China or America.
They don't know what the purpose of these minerals are, and think that the countries outside of Africa have discovered immortality and UFOs and shit, and are just millenia ahead of them.
neat
>.32
No Wonder they Lost the War
Now, now, the .45 ACP wouldn't be developed for another 30 years.
As much as people meme about muh big iron cowboy revolvers, guns like that S&W no. 2, vest-pocket pistols, derringers, pepperboxes, and such were far more common back in the day.
Sakamoto was anti-Shogunate. They won the war.
No the govt won. All the samurai who supported meiji got shafted n00b
If by government you mean the imperial court.
What are you talking about? The shogunate fell, the emperor was restored. Everything that Sakamoto agitated for was achieved e.g. Democratization, restoration, renegotiation of shitty bakufu treaties, modernization etc. Yeah, some samurai cried about losing prestige but frick those guys. The shogunate were essentially selling their country off for pennies on the dollar and nobody on either side really thought feudalism could keep going on.
Some of the Samurai got shafted. Many Samurai still owned land and many ended up joining the army. They lost some privileges but they knew this was what they were fighting for and most that survived the fighting ended up better off than before the revolution.
>All the samurai who supported meiji got shafted n00b
What
is correct. The only samurai who got fricked by the restoration were the extremists who unironically believed that the restoration of imperial rule would give them carte blanche to kill all foreigners and, on the opposite end of the spectrum, the ones who were hereditary retainers with no-show jobs who weren't important enough to make it on name alone (like the daimyos) but who disdained the idea of performing useful work. The government actually set up a work-program for the latter group that wasn't very successful.
I also want to add that while Sakamoto was a samurai, his other personal circumstances are why he was a big westaboo. He was actually descended from a well-off family of merchants who had bought samurai rank. This in itself was looked down upon, just like in France (look up nobles of the robe vs. nobles of the sword), but what made things worse was that Tosa, his homeland, enforced severe social discrimination by higher ranking samurai (joshi) against lower-ranking ones (kachi). This is one of the reasons he came to admire America as much as he did--that we have a system where any citizen, regardless of his birthright or occupation, can become the leader of the country if he gets enough popularity.
It's no surprise Kyushu and Shikoku were staunchly anti-shogunate. They had been discriminated against for centuries, due to those regions being considered backwaters by the Honshu samurai.
Imagine if they had fought for independence instead of the emperor.
Sakamoto was literally a second class samurai, aka. one from the boonies that 'noble' samurai treated like utter dogshit. Which was part of the reason he wanted the shogunate gone.
He wasnt even second class. He was the bottom of the pile, as low as it gets while still being in good standing. The Tosa domain was one of the least relevant territories in the country and he was from the merchant class. That's why he's so well-regarded in modern Japan, because he was a forward-facing guy who respected his country and traditions but wanted to take away the stupid caste system that held it back.
ryoma had western shoes though
like here
https://samurai-revolution.com/the-ryoma-phenomenon-龍馬現象-9/
Either any good?
Samurai Revolution is very good, though the period is very complicated so it might be hard to understand if you're going in blind. It took me two or three reads over a couple years to really fully grasp everything the book was talking about.
>Revolver and Katana
The late Edo to early Meiji period was a weird time for Japan. The whole island basically went from a medieval kingdom to a modern world power in a single lifetime.
>The whole island basically went from a medieval kingdom to a modern world power in a single lifetime
i wouldn't say world-power. They were top dog in east asia, certainly, but i don't think they had that much influence outside of it.
Depends on how generous you are with "lifetime" but someone born in 1845 who lived to 80 would have seen Japan go from the leading military technology of the day go from arquebus to aircraft carrier. During the end of the Sengoku period they transitioned to firearms there were bloody wars for a couple of generations and then there was ~200 years of (mostly) peace and technological stagnation. While Europe was improving metallurgy and shipbuilding and weapons tech during that period the Japanese just kinda did their own thing in a bubble and then when they opened up again they modernized in a frenzy across the board - blast furnaces, shipyards, modern small arms, modern factories, railways, electricity, tractors, etc.
A technicality from beating Russia. Being a local power in Asia basically meant being at the average asian tech level. However, Japan was on par with European powers but obviously couldn't be considered a European power. So I just defaulted to world power.
We had knights with guns too in Europe doing pseudo jousts where theyd just ride by eachother dropping shots into eachother. Hell every culture that experienced guns had some kino transitory stages.
breddy neat OP. Dude was an extremely cool historical figure, last I heard the place he was assassinated in is still standing too.
the guy basically started practice pistol shooting like he would with swords, as soon as he learned about these new fancy oversea guns that can shoot more than once.
>Tries to deflect bullet with katana
>Gets shredded by the ensuing shrapnel
I'm more confused by the fact that the guy with the guns is so fast he can get a bead on someone who is, themselves, so fast they can cut bullets out of the air.
But also too slow to fire another shot somehow?
Japs are fricking cringe.
The best fighters in the series use gunkata, so it's logically consistent in-universe.
How do you hurt someone with a normal pistol when they can survive moving their head at 500MPH?
Their feelings get hurt
kinda gay to be honest
dumb gay bullshit
such a great manga
SPEARgayS BTFOD
up
What the frick
Boomers treated Japan like we do China, if you want to see Chinas future look to Japan.
>China's future
Grim.
China has so much potential but their culture and their government has almost zero forward thinking.
Nah, they just cut down all trees in their new vassal - russia.
There wont be so much as a stream in east asia that isnt more toxic than a wienertail of bottles from under my sink. I dont think you can run a society with a 90% cancer rate.
If you want to see some funny stuff, look into scholarship about how African miners view the conflict minerals (i.e. coltan, cassiterite, cobalt) that they mine and ship to Europe or China or America.
They don't know what the purpose of these minerals are, and think that the countries outside of Africa have discovered immortality and UFOs and shit, and are just millenia ahead of them.
Anon please give me a source on this, i genuinely want to read up on it, i tried just googling it but i have yet to find anything.
The end of the Edo period was a time of sudden violence after a long peace.
Practical weapons were scarce in Japan, and government supporters and revolutionaries besically really did kill each other with katanas.
Absolute Kino
Wouldnt that literally be stopped by period armor?
I really want a Model 2, they are much cheaper than I figured theyd be, but still just a bit out of my price range for something I wouldnt shoot