Basically anything with this design will penetrate Kevlar. A plastic bullet with a little nail in it, moving at Mach 2, will penetrate Kevlar if the little nail is lead, tin, nickel, aluminum, copper, just about anything.
There have been sintered ram designs before that were great looking in performance but they were all LEA/military exclusive. No one thinks it's the ultimate possible design in terms of material science, but the laws are a b***h. Have they found a way around that?
>Have they found a way around that?
In short yes. But EV adoption and the ukie war is fricking up reasonable supply of material. The real prize is going to be their development of the 9x19 atlas, pushing that same projectile at 2700fps rather than 2200. That will require a barrel made of higher strength material, and perhaps some slight changes to geometry to change its initial dwell time before unlocking. Nothing is stopping anyone from following their patent and substituting whatever suitable core material they decide to use at the moment, however.
>higher strength material
define higher strength. are we talking hardness? because if so, there's no reason i can think of that you wouldn't be able to harden a bore upwards of 50 rockwell. it would be brittle after that, and stress relief would have to be done before finish work, but it might be doable. you could also just beef the frick out of the barrel because currently, we have 9mm handguns that are featherweight basically and a few more ounces would be advantageous anyway because of increased recoil. also, powder: how do you plan on making a 9x19 that's so much faster without increasing case length or diameter?
i still think .38 super would be a more apt candidate for this. it's right on the line of being a wildcat round, but it still has wide acceptance by big manufacturers. it's based on one of the most common calibers ever, and you could rework the existing platform into an autoloading pistol with frickhueg speed because of all that case volume.
still: why? we have 9mm +P+ that defeat body armor, and even though the really spicy shit is law enforcement only, who cares? the minute you make a new cartridge with the specs you're talking about, it would probably be lumped in anyway by default. the gun haters have cornered the market on AP handgun ammo. the best you can settle for now are brass-plated rounds that spall like frick, or homebrew weirdness like this that are dubiously legal at best.
I’m a hater of them, their shit is absolute cringe in name and presentation, but from what I understand now is that they’re trying to make a round that performs like hollow points and has armor piercing effect. I can already buy Fort Scott TUI and pen IIIA for not that much. But TUI will over pen like a mother fricker
>higher strength materials
I mean higher tensile/yield strength metals. Maraging steels would be a step up from typical 416ss. Heat treatable/hardenable, but even the cast variant of maraging steel is apparently significantly higher yield strength than most steels. >how to reach velocities without increasing case size?
Increasing pressure massively. > .38 super would be a more apt candidate for this
Same idea with using shortened 9x23Win brass and loading the projectile deeper, necessitating a deeper chamber. Prevents loading your super spicy rounds into a non-spicy capable gun. But the 9x19 nas3 case can take way higher pressure than 9x23 brass, and has more internal volume. They make a .300bo and .223/5.56 brass as well, so you could buy and shorten that if you really wanted to play it safe, but you're still not increasing case capacity if loading to a 9x19 oal. >still: why?
Because it can be done, and done legally. It can be done better, illegaly, using restricted materials, but thats not the goal here.
They are absolutely not fricking fine. They were created to solve one issue: to stop moronic workers from over torquing screws. But this created a problem that boils my blood, because if excessive force is required to unscrew that rusted bolt you are basically fricked with Phillips. Torx or hex gives you at least a fighting chance.
Dagny dagger, supposedly some opensource round that can swiss cheese 3A armor out of a 9mm by making something like a 50 gr +P+. Seems stupid since any decent round pushing that speed with a sabot penetrator should puncture 3A. Vaporware so far though.
Can someone please give me the QRD on wtf that is? Looks like a 9mm shell shock case and sub caliber penetrator? Is someone making these?
Like someone said before it's not rocket science, any plastic bullet with a metal core at +p pressures that can reach mach 2 (which is extremely easy) is going to punch Kevlar.
I'd be more interested to see the Dagny Dagger or similar design out of a 9x25 or 350 legend. 350 legend can hit 3000fps with 60 grain copper solids.
Slotted = best for anything you'd be casually working with or would be wearing gloves and shit
Torx is amazing for small screws in sensitive areas though
I got about 30 seconds in, I couldn't take the constant sound of that fatbody slapping his hands against his legs. what the frick makes you think that's a good look, and that churning your fat is how you should talk with your hands?
I want to believe in this, but i want to see it hit the market first
Basically anything with this design will penetrate Kevlar. A plastic bullet with a little nail in it, moving at Mach 2, will penetrate Kevlar if the little nail is lead, tin, nickel, aluminum, copper, just about anything.
There have been sintered ram designs before that were great looking in performance but they were all LEA/military exclusive. No one thinks it's the ultimate possible design in terms of material science, but the laws are a b***h. Have they found a way around that?
>Have they found a way around that?
In short yes. But EV adoption and the ukie war is fricking up reasonable supply of material. The real prize is going to be their development of the 9x19 atlas, pushing that same projectile at 2700fps rather than 2200. That will require a barrel made of higher strength material, and perhaps some slight changes to geometry to change its initial dwell time before unlocking. Nothing is stopping anyone from following their patent and substituting whatever suitable core material they decide to use at the moment, however.
>higher strength material
define higher strength. are we talking hardness? because if so, there's no reason i can think of that you wouldn't be able to harden a bore upwards of 50 rockwell. it would be brittle after that, and stress relief would have to be done before finish work, but it might be doable. you could also just beef the frick out of the barrel because currently, we have 9mm handguns that are featherweight basically and a few more ounces would be advantageous anyway because of increased recoil. also, powder: how do you plan on making a 9x19 that's so much faster without increasing case length or diameter?
i still think .38 super would be a more apt candidate for this. it's right on the line of being a wildcat round, but it still has wide acceptance by big manufacturers. it's based on one of the most common calibers ever, and you could rework the existing platform into an autoloading pistol with frickhueg speed because of all that case volume.
still: why? we have 9mm +P+ that defeat body armor, and even though the really spicy shit is law enforcement only, who cares? the minute you make a new cartridge with the specs you're talking about, it would probably be lumped in anyway by default. the gun haters have cornered the market on AP handgun ammo. the best you can settle for now are brass-plated rounds that spall like frick, or homebrew weirdness like this that are dubiously legal at best.
I’m a hater of them, their shit is absolute cringe in name and presentation, but from what I understand now is that they’re trying to make a round that performs like hollow points and has armor piercing effect. I can already buy Fort Scott TUI and pen IIIA for not that much. But TUI will over pen like a mother fricker
>higher strength materials
I mean higher tensile/yield strength metals. Maraging steels would be a step up from typical 416ss. Heat treatable/hardenable, but even the cast variant of maraging steel is apparently significantly higher yield strength than most steels.
>how to reach velocities without increasing case size?
Increasing pressure massively.
> .38 super would be a more apt candidate for this
Same idea with using shortened 9x23Win brass and loading the projectile deeper, necessitating a deeper chamber. Prevents loading your super spicy rounds into a non-spicy capable gun. But the 9x19 nas3 case can take way higher pressure than 9x23 brass, and has more internal volume. They make a .300bo and .223/5.56 brass as well, so you could buy and shorten that if you really wanted to play it safe, but you're still not increasing case capacity if loading to a 9x19 oal.
>still: why?
Because it can be done, and done legally. It can be done better, illegaly, using restricted materials, but thats not the goal here.
if only the guy making it could stop sperging on twitter and actually make something
> Ayn Rand fanatic lolberts
> Actually making something
There's your problem, anon
Luckily we have options.
Philip head screws are the bane of my existence. If i had a Time Machine, I would go back and gun him down before he could create it.
t. Mechanic
They're fine if they're not made out of fricking chinkesium.
They are absolutely not fricking fine. They were created to solve one issue: to stop moronic workers from over torquing screws. But this created a problem that boils my blood, because if excessive force is required to unscrew that rusted bolt you are basically fricked with Phillips. Torx or hex gives you at least a fighting chance.
Can someone please give me the QRD on wtf that is? Looks like a 9mm shell shock case and sub caliber penetrator? Is someone making these?
Dagny dagger, supposedly some opensource round that can swiss cheese 3A armor out of a 9mm by making something like a 50 gr +P+. Seems stupid since any decent round pushing that speed with a sabot penetrator should puncture 3A. Vaporware so far though.
Like someone said before it's not rocket science, any plastic bullet with a metal core at +p pressures that can reach mach 2 (which is extremely easy) is going to punch Kevlar.
I'd be more interested to see the Dagny Dagger or similar design out of a 9x25 or 350 legend. 350 legend can hit 3000fps with 60 grain copper solids.
slotted = objectively best
special snowflake shit = cringe af no cap
Slotted = best for anything you'd be casually working with or would be wearing gloves and shit
Torx is amazing for small screws in sensitive areas though
I got about 30 seconds in, I couldn't take the constant sound of that fatbody slapping his hands against his legs. what the frick makes you think that's a good look, and that churning your fat is how you should talk with your hands?