The neck index, FBI hold, and similar techniques are objectively the best way to use a light with a handgun. Prove me wrong, protip: you can't.
>work with any light you might pick up without needing specific practice with that light and the gun you're using
>use the same one handed grip that you should already be practicing with any handgun you use
>effectively separates your low light technique from your normal shooting practice in a way that no other method of using a light with a handgun (including WMLs) does
Sure other techniques could squeeze out improvements, but that comes at the cost of needing to spend time regularly practicing under those conditions to reliably achieve those improvements and not fuck things up under stress, all for conditions that happen incredibly rarely in gunfights. Are you going to remember to turn on your WML if you draw you pistol in the dark, or are you going to drop your light and go through your normal draw due to muscle memory and lack of associating it being dark outside with needing to turn on your WML as part of your normal practice, leaving you worse off and giving the person you're pointing your gun at without being able to see clearly more time to react?
That's nice dear.
I do like that keeping the light behind the gun helps to illuminate the sights
I prefer under the leg, leg up, squatting
>use the same one handed grip that you should already be practicing with any handgun you use
No.
What exactly are you disagreeing with here?
You guys can't actually be so stupid as to not practice one-handed shooting with both your strong and weak hands because you think that you'll always have both hands available in any situation no matter the context, right?
You're just baiting, right?
>not using your third hand.
Ngmi
I shoot competition so yes. Which is why I know shooting any handgun one-handed is a massive performance decrease in every metric. If you need a light, mount one.
>I shoot competition
Why the fuck would you put a light in your gun in a competition. Real world application doesn't apply to sports gay.
Weight on the front of your gun is good retard
Competitive shooting is not the same. Sometimes you need to use utilities like a flashlight in cramp spaces where being super accurate is not as important.
>I shoot competition
That explains why you think you're always going to be in control of the circumstances. You're picking up some very bad habits my dude.
>need to pull my gun out any time i need a light
No thanks
Why is PrepHole full of people like you who are very stupid? You carry a gun with a WML and an EDC flashlight. Which one you use depends on the situation.
>not shooting from the hip using your dick to press the trigger
NGMI dicklet
wha abouf ina mouf??
Can't bite them with the flashlight there
>use the same one handed grip that you should already be practicing with any handgun you use
You're nuts. The entire problem with non-gun mounted lights is that you don't have both hands on the gun.
And the problem with gun mounted lights is that they require you to start mixing in additional manipulations that you need to be regularly practicing so that you don't default to your day shooting muscle memory when under stress and lose time that you don't have, but most people won't put in that practice and few people will even have the chance to during live fire practice in a dark environment.
>start mixing in additional manipulations
Please explain how flicking a finger down is more complex than performing two tasks with two different hands, which also requires you shoot one handed?
If you don't like WMLs fine but this neo-fudd cope is laughable
>Please explain how flicking a finger down is more complex than performing two tasks with two different hands, which also requires you shoot one handed?
Simple.
>do you use a flashlight? congratulations, that part of the equation is covered, because you're using a normal flashlight how you normally would rather than a technique that ties it to your gun some how
>do you practice one handed shooting and gun manipulations like you're supposed to, because it's vastly more likely more likely than shooting in a situation where you need to supply your own lighting? congratulations, that part of the equation is covered
On the other hand, if you aren't training to build muscle memory for using your WML at night to the point where you do it automatically, you're going to be losing time that you don't have and giving the person you're going to shoot at more time to react.
You can flick a light in the time it takes to flick a safety. And if you're in such mortal danger, you should not be shooting one handed.
>you're going to be losing time that you don't have and giving the person you're going to shoot at more time to react.
So in this scenario you are imagining our hero already has his flashlight out and active? Just turn on your WML. Even quicker than taking out a flashlight, and you also have full control of your gun. This is just turning into boomer fantasy. I suggest you watch another Paul Harrel video and dream of the 90s.
>You can flick a light in the time it takes to flick a safety
Except you train to turn off your safety every time you shoot until it's automatic. How many people with WMLs train to turn them on any time they draw no matter what for that to be comparable to turning off a safety?
>So in this scenario you are imagining our hero already has his flashlight out and active?
Because any situation that necessitates a WML to see if the person you're shooting is a threat will necessitate a flashlight.
>Just turn on your WML. Even quicker than taking out a flashlight
Having your gun out if you don't know that someone needs to be shot is a great ticket to criminal charges.
>How many people with WMLs train to turn them on any time they draw no matter what for that to be comparable to turning off a safety?
How many people train to turn a flashlight on?
Pretty sure if you're in a situation where you need a flashlight, you're gonna realize you need to turn a fucking WML on.
I use a flashlight several times a week. I've never shot anyone.
>How many people with WMLs train to turn them on any time they draw no matter what for that to be comparable to turning off a safety?
Everyone with a WML? Damn dude, Is this the issue? Is this why you hate weapon-mounted lights? You bought one and were too retarded to turn it on and now you're waging war against the whole concept? You remind me of the guy who can't figure out Mlock and the guy who complains that every sling hits him in the nuts. Just to make sure you're up to speed on everything else, you also need to keep batteries in your red dot and tie your shoelaces for your shoes to fit right. They make tape switches that'll turn on the light as soon as you grip the gun if flicking a switch is beyond you, just remember not to eat the factory adhesive, it's not Elmer's.
You know if you use a separate flashlight that you also need to turn it on, right?
If you're only using one hand for the gun because you're using a separate flashlight, you're already handicapping yourself. If you have a WML, you can use both hands on the gun, or one-hand the gun to use your other hand for other tasks, while still having use of the flashlight. With a discrete flashlight, if you need to use one hand to manipulate something, there goes use of either the gun or the flashlight.
This ain't hard, anon.
>hurr but you don't train to turn a flashlight on
You don't need to. Give any adult a flashlight and they'll be able to use it without needing to train with it, because even people who aren't around guns have more experience using flashlights than you have experience using a WML.
>but what if I need to manipulate something while pointing my light somewhere else and shooting someone
Give a single instance where this was an issue.
>Pretty sure if you're in a situation where you need a flashlight, you're gonna realize you need to turn a fucking WML on.
Unless you practice doing it regularly, it isn't going to be something you'll do automatically, which will lose you precious time if you actually need to engage a threat.
>Give a single instance where this was an issue.
How about opening a fucking door, retard?
What situation are you walking around opening doors with a gun drawn where you can't see without a light?
>You don't need to. Give any adult a flashlight and they'll be able to use it without needing to train with it
>you need training to push a button on a WML
>you don't need training to push a button on a flashlight
Anon, did you ride the tiny fun-bus in school?
Where do you live where people have used WMLs since childhood like most people have used normal flashlights?
I have a light/laser combo. I always flick it on on draw. At the range I have it switched to laser only to not irritate people, the rest of the time it's on light+laser. Not difficult
the other problem being that by the time you gun comes out you better already be able to positively identify the threat you are using your gun on lol
Are you retarded?
Shit, just make turning on your flashlight part of your 'day shooting' drills in that case. It won't harm anything to do during daylight.
>just do something that people who use WMLs don't train to do
>nobody who uses this thing ever trains with it
>source: my anus
Just get a grip-mounted pressure switch.
>TFW you've heard other people say having a pressure switch for a light on a pistol will get you killed
So adding an additional item to draw, activate, and aim, one handed, and only when it's dark as well, is somehow less prone to failure?
Any situation outside your home where you might realistically use a WML will involve you having a flashlight already out.
and there it is
the most nogunz, trying to fit in post I've seen all week
Fuck off dipshit
we can put lights on our guns now, you know.
Hold a light right next to your head, illuminating the weapon in your hand which identifies you as being armed.
Opponent shoots at the light, misses the light but drills you through the eye.
Opponent gets a new gun and a flashlight.
>Opponent shoots at the light
no one is doing that if you're holding a modern LED flashlight. they will not be able to see a small circle, their entire field of view will be white.
>implying whatever nog that you are shooting at can shoot with pinpoint accuracy and not picrel
Bracing the gun with both hands matters way more than holding the light away from your body like a fag
I’m not disagreeing with you.
And if you read my post carefully, you’re not disagreeing with me either.
The target beggars the question of what was the shooter aiming FOR?
(I’m assuming that he WAS aiming).
Actually, thanks for posting this target because it brings up one of my pet peeves.
Why are humanoid targets not printed in humanoid colors?
No humans are orange, and very few humans are coal flat black.
Pinkish-tan human targets can be printed with a polo shirt, light brown human targets can be printed with a chambray shirt and dark brown humans can be printed with Lakers or Raiders team gear.
Much more realistic, amirite?
*blocks your path*
Yep, I cut dozens of these from my dear wife’s Amazon orders.
Now we just need to bling them out and give them some gold teefs or a hairnet…
Jesus ker ice ist, he's coming right for us!
>Opponent shoots at the light
There are zero documented cases of this ever happening. From a the research of a police officer with 23 years of experience and firearm trainer who is now head of a company that does research, consulting, and training for police:
https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/117909-Study-reveals-important-truths-hidden-in-the-details-of-officer-involved-shootings/
>"There's concern about a flashlight becoming a 'bullet magnet' - and it might, if used improperly. But in all my years of research I have never been able to document a single case of an officer being shot because he was using his flashlight. I've found no statistical evidence whatever of this much-feared consequence ever happening."
Gee, that’s great…cool statistics.
I’m STILL not holding a flashlight next to my head in a gunfight, okay?
This isn’t an attack on you or your scholarship.
It in no way is meant to imply that you’re a Bad Person or anything.
I’m just NOT gonna do it.
>I've found no statistical evidence whatever of this much-feared consequence ever happening.
just play any multiplayer shooty game with gunplay and flashlight mechanics and you'll see how easy it is to smoke players with poor light discipline
>unironically citing first person shooter experience, as if the scenarios they depict are even remotely representative of what might happen in reality
just like the simulations
get with the times gramps
Anon, people don't play video games like they would behave in real life when their life is actually on the line. That the US Army uses simulators for training doesn't change this.
ok we shouldn't bother training at all then because its not how we would behave when our lives are actually on the line
> From a the research of a police officer with 23 years of experience
Opinion immediately discarded
>light bounces off of your hand a blinds you
Maybe if your using a sub-300 lumen light. Best way to shoot with a normal tailswitch light is picrel
>introducing what is effectively another method of gripping your gun that will throw off your shots unless you regularly practice shooting that way
You need to shoot more
Not as bad as one handed
>not as bad as one handed
Objectively true and if given the choice between the two, I'd choose it, but I can have a light and shoot two handed with modern a WML.
*with a modern
Shooting like that sucks donkey dick.
>not having a gun that shoots light
Ngmi
>Needing light
>or weapons
Don't forget:
>handheld lights are more durable
See the thread a few days ago about TLR-1 and X300 battery doors breaking for no real reason, taking them completely out of commission.
>TLR-1 and X300
These lights are from like the 90s, when are we going to let these memes die? Holsters should just have big enough light pockets to accommodate any light.
This is the best way because it lights up your sights. The COD way where you stabilize off your wrist works if you have night sights or an optic.
completely wrong do this now, assuming you are right handed, light in left hand full fist around it, little linger nearest the bulb thumb on a base button right hand wrist holding the gun rests on the left and wrist holding the light. This is correct
First guns. 6" Pre Model 10 and a Springfield Armory M1 Garand. Thank you grandpa.
I shoot for the light so regardless it’s a bad idea, also this is what night sights are for.
I have found the thyrm switchback to be of great utility for using white light and a handgun simultaneously. Allows a 2 handed grip but also provides the flexibility of not marrying the light to the weapon.
https://thyrm.com/product/switchback-2-large-flashlight-ring/
People tend to shoot at a light source
Post a single real world example. Otherwise:
>It's dark
>I can't see my target clearly
>I can see the flashlight he's carrying
Gee, I wonder what I would shoot at
>I can see the flashlight he's carrying
no. you can see a massive white circle covering up a majority of your target and its hurting your eyes.
>Sure other techniques could squeeze out improvements, but that comes at the cost of needing to spend time regularly practicing
COPE, COPE, COPE, COPE, COPE excusemaking apologist hypocrite.
>t. someone who isn't putting in the level of practice that OP said is necessary
Anyone who was would know how rare it is for people to put in that practice.
Flashlight?
>Just use Dragons Breath!
how will he hold his water bottle though
im tired of pretending that high-stress situations turn you into a useless, fumbling mess.