>The M-1978 Koksan (is a 170 mm self-propelled gun of North Korean design and manufacture.

>The M-1978 Koksan (is a 170 mm self-propelled gun of North Korean design and manufacture.
>Maximum firing range : 60 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1978_Koksan

I feel like a system like that would be unironically very good in Ukraine / Russia rn

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was fun using these in Mercenaries

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hated how they were immobile.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t. 2 of Clubs

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hated how they were immobile.

      >t. 2 of Clubs

      Brothers

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >less range than a M30
    >barrel life ~200

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How good is it at actually hitting stuff?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think we will ever know without digging in to some iranian books and memoires, they're the only one who ever used them

      >In 1987, several M-1978s were supplied to Iran and used during the Iran–Iraq War. When using rocket-assisted projectiles, a range of almost 60 kilometres (37 mi) could be achieved, making the weapon the world's longest-ranged field artillery piece at the time. Iranian forces used them to carry out long-range harassment fire against Kuwaiti oil fields.[5]

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        UAE has one, apparently the 80km base bleed shells work and some sort of guided round exists.

        The issue is the barrels only last a few thousand shots, also the tracked version in particular has a really slow rate of fire although that is true of any giant gun.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the PzH2000 shoots pretty damn fast

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          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Koksan's shells are at least twice as heavy, that matters alot.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              fair enough, didn't know the difference was that big

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Volume increases exponentially, the same deal happens when you go from 105mm to 155mm to 203mm

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      did you fail elementary math?
      artillery shells follow a ballistic trajectory.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        A ballistic trajectory which is influenced by the sturdiness of the carriage, quality of the rifling, shell shape, etc, etc.
        Not all guns are equal.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >artillery shells follow a ballistic trajectory.
        so does my jizz but that doesn't mean it's accurate

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          barrel obv too short

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            SEXOOOOOOOOO

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            If this actually does end up going into service, I'm curious how it will be deployed. I can't imagine it'll be a 1:1 replacement for the m109.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              An artillery brigade is planned to have 3 battalions of M109 and 1 of ERCA.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              An artillery brigade is planned to have 3 battalions of M109 and 1 of ERCA.

              Now I am curious, why not just use ERCA?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The Army initiated ERCA Increment 1C as a middle-tier acquisition rapid prototyping effort in September 2018 with an objective of building 18 prototypes equipped with new armament, electrical systems, and other upgrades beginning in fiscal year 2021. The Army plans to issue the prototypes to a battalion for operational testing by fiscal year 2023. The rapid prototyping effort is projected to end in October 2023 with the 18 prototypes issued to the battalion to gather information for future ERCA increments.
                CRS R46721

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Remember what they took from you

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        da comrade. is very simple math. all artillery very accurate

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/SGeU0Rt.jpg

          >*misses target*

          That explains why Russia has been able to shoot 10k shells a day and hardly do anything with them.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Arty(Po + rand()%CEP)

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It ain't basic math.

        Does anyone know where I can learn more specifically about the mathematics behind artillery usage?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Firing tables are generally tabulated from actual shots iirc. They can then characterize from those actual shots at a range how other factors like temperature will influence the round based on accredited models iirc. The end result is a relatively comprehensive FT document which can then be put into something like AFATDS or a slide rule and allow for reasonably fast calculation in the field accounting for things like barrel wear, temperature, wind, air density, etc.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      +/- a grid square

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seoul is a big target. I don't think the purpose of those guns is hitting anything more specific than that

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    One of my favourite weapons ever.
    I fricking love the fact that nobody has any clue where the 170mm calibre came from. German howitzers? Who knows!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      might be as wide as their lathes went lmao

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        LOL
        That's a good one. Nork shit really is fantastic. Especially their multi barrelled hyper autistic rocket systems

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mr. Kok

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Takes too long to set up and rate of fire is too slow. Would be easily counter-batteried before it could accomplish anything.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Would be easily counter-batteried before it could accomplish anything.
      given the range advantage, by what exactly?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Rocket artillery. Drones. Aircraft in general. Other tube artillery placed closer.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Rocket artillery
          afu doesn't have regular rocket artillery units. just some himars doing special missions.
          >Drones
          afu doesn't even have a lancet equivalent. not that lancet has the range.
          >Aircraft in general.
          afu doesn't have.
          >Other tube artillery placed closer.
          suicidal in the age of drones. front is transparent.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >given the range advantage, by what exactly?
        Virtually all western 15mm guns can do that with smart munitions but specifically PzH 2000 for example with M2005 V-LAP (RAP) a 54 km range. Of course that's on the field now in Ukrainne but there are numberous western systems that go far further from BAE, in teh US services etc
        https://www.isl.eu/documents/flyers/EN/isl-155-mm-long-range-guided-projectile-EN-nm.pdf

        https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/03/new-artillery-round-shoots-farther-some-missiles-can-hit-moving-targets/384601/

        The reasons this 170mm would die is Russia has no counter battery radar with a range of more than 40Km so it can't dance with the Ukrainians, its slow setup time and rate of fire would mean it got detected raped by a himars on its first outing

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Pzh2000 has a near 80km munition designed by Rheinmetals south African subsidiary that has been in supply since at least 2021 but that kind of range is basically on tap now for all good quality western guns. Not so much soviet garbage.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I feel like a system like that would be unironically very good in Ukraine / Russia rn
    nah. once you get into super-heavy artillery, you're spending just as much per shell as you would on guided rockets.

    HIMARS has the same range, but with a smaller logistics footprint, a higher rate of fire, and a longer lifespan - super-heavy guns are usually taken out of service after a relatively small number of shots.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      170mm is smaller than the Russian Pion system. Guided rockets take longer to produce, have lower throughput, and are more expensive.
      Shells are also easier to saturate and harder to intercept.
      rocket and barrel artillery perform different roles and have different supply considerations.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >大ボイ
        big boi?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >*misses target*

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          With a CEP of >500m the grad is better and probably cheaper.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >60km maximum firing range
    the north really wants to go for the kill indeed
    i assume the south koreans have better missile artillery in response

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      There aren't that many places on the border that the Kosan can set up and fire from, these are known by South Korea and you can bet they will be scrambling jets if they start setting up there.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    didn't the Norks also design GPS guided munition systems for these?

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >attack opponents CV squad with these things
    >...
    >it vaporises my teammates special forces in the next block
    Lol
    Lmao

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure we'll see those used by Russia after Putin's visit to Best Korea. Though personally I'm more interested in when are we finally gonna see some Chomna-ho in Russian service.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    These were pretty good in Red Dragon. Doesn't save them from being an irredeemable spam deck though.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      T-90 tho

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    wiener-san dominating the weak femine capitalists.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >officially known as juchepo (juche cannon)
    Lmao, I love those norks

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why the sudden interest in this... Am I living in a simulation?
    I just read a report on NORK machineing the explicitly cited the koksan.
    And now this thread.
    Anyway all of NATO operated 203mm guns for a long time.
    The issue is counter battery. So they were phased out.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bruh, USSR has this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2A3_Kondensator_2P - it barely worked

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >out of service: 1960

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's the point, even soviets understood that at that point it's better to just use missiles.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The problems with that thing was that it simply didn't work; the range was utterly pathetic.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      looks more like a Kompensator

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        CARLOS

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