>The M-1978 Koksan (is a 170 mm self-propelled gun of North Korean design and manufacture.
>Maximum firing range : 60 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1978_Koksan
I feel like a system like that would be unironically very good in Ukraine / Russia rn
It was fun using these in Mercenaries
I hated how they were immobile.
>t. 2 of Clubs
Brothers
>less range than a M30
>barrel life ~200
How good is it at actually hitting stuff?
I don't think we will ever know without digging in to some iranian books and memoires, they're the only one who ever used them
>In 1987, several M-1978s were supplied to Iran and used during the Iran–Iraq War. When using rocket-assisted projectiles, a range of almost 60 kilometres (37 mi) could be achieved, making the weapon the world's longest-ranged field artillery piece at the time. Iranian forces used them to carry out long-range harassment fire against Kuwaiti oil fields.[5]
UAE has one, apparently the 80km base bleed shells work and some sort of guided round exists.
The issue is the barrels only last a few thousand shots, also the tracked version in particular has a really slow rate of fire although that is true of any giant gun.
the PzH2000 shoots pretty damn fast
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The Koksan's shells are at least twice as heavy, that matters alot.
fair enough, didn't know the difference was that big
Volume increases exponentially, the same deal happens when you go from 105mm to 155mm to 203mm
did you fail elementary math?
artillery shells follow a ballistic trajectory.
A ballistic trajectory which is influenced by the sturdiness of the carriage, quality of the rifling, shell shape, etc, etc.
Not all guns are equal.
>artillery shells follow a ballistic trajectory.
so does my jizz but that doesn't mean it's accurate
barrel obv too short
SEXOOOOOOOOO
If this actually does end up going into service, I'm curious how it will be deployed. I can't imagine it'll be a 1:1 replacement for the m109.
An artillery brigade is planned to have 3 battalions of M109 and 1 of ERCA.
Now I am curious, why not just use ERCA?
>The Army initiated ERCA Increment 1C as a middle-tier acquisition rapid prototyping effort in September 2018 with an objective of building 18 prototypes equipped with new armament, electrical systems, and other upgrades beginning in fiscal year 2021. The Army plans to issue the prototypes to a battalion for operational testing by fiscal year 2023. The rapid prototyping effort is projected to end in October 2023 with the 18 prototypes issued to the battalion to gather information for future ERCA increments.
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>Remember what they took from you
da comrade. is very simple math. all artillery very accurate
That explains why Russia has been able to shoot 10k shells a day and hardly do anything with them.
Arty(Po + rand()%CEP)
It ain't basic math.
Does anyone know where I can learn more specifically about the mathematics behind artillery usage?
Firing tables are generally tabulated from actual shots iirc. They can then characterize from those actual shots at a range how other factors like temperature will influence the round based on accredited models iirc. The end result is a relatively comprehensive FT document which can then be put into something like AFATDS or a slide rule and allow for reasonably fast calculation in the field accounting for things like barrel wear, temperature, wind, air density, etc.
+/- a grid square
Seoul is a big target. I don't think the purpose of those guns is hitting anything more specific than that
One of my favourite weapons ever.
I fricking love the fact that nobody has any clue where the 170mm calibre came from. German howitzers? Who knows!
might be as wide as their lathes went lmao
LOL
That's a good one. Nork shit really is fantastic. Especially their multi barrelled hyper autistic rocket systems
Mr. Kok
Takes too long to set up and rate of fire is too slow. Would be easily counter-batteried before it could accomplish anything.
>Would be easily counter-batteried before it could accomplish anything.
given the range advantage, by what exactly?
Rocket artillery. Drones. Aircraft in general. Other tube artillery placed closer.
>Rocket artillery
afu doesn't have regular rocket artillery units. just some himars doing special missions.
>Drones
afu doesn't even have a lancet equivalent. not that lancet has the range.
>Aircraft in general.
afu doesn't have.
>Other tube artillery placed closer.
suicidal in the age of drones. front is transparent.
>given the range advantage, by what exactly?
Virtually all western 15mm guns can do that with smart munitions but specifically PzH 2000 for example with M2005 V-LAP (RAP) a 54 km range. Of course that's on the field now in Ukrainne but there are numberous western systems that go far further from BAE, in teh US services etc
https://www.isl.eu/documents/flyers/EN/isl-155-mm-long-range-guided-projectile-EN-nm.pdf
https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/03/new-artillery-round-shoots-farther-some-missiles-can-hit-moving-targets/384601/
The reasons this 170mm would die is Russia has no counter battery radar with a range of more than 40Km so it can't dance with the Ukrainians, its slow setup time and rate of fire would mean it got detected raped by a himars on its first outing
The Pzh2000 has a near 80km munition designed by Rheinmetals south African subsidiary that has been in supply since at least 2021 but that kind of range is basically on tap now for all good quality western guns. Not so much soviet garbage.
>I feel like a system like that would be unironically very good in Ukraine / Russia rn
nah. once you get into super-heavy artillery, you're spending just as much per shell as you would on guided rockets.
HIMARS has the same range, but with a smaller logistics footprint, a higher rate of fire, and a longer lifespan - super-heavy guns are usually taken out of service after a relatively small number of shots.
170mm is smaller than the Russian Pion system. Guided rockets take longer to produce, have lower throughput, and are more expensive.
Shells are also easier to saturate and harder to intercept.
rocket and barrel artillery perform different roles and have different supply considerations.
>大ボイ
big boi?
>*misses target*
With a CEP of >500m the grad is better and probably cheaper.
>60km maximum firing range
the north really wants to go for the kill indeed
i assume the south koreans have better missile artillery in response
There aren't that many places on the border that the Kosan can set up and fire from, these are known by South Korea and you can bet they will be scrambling jets if they start setting up there.
didn't the Norks also design GPS guided munition systems for these?
>attack opponents CV squad with these things
>...
>it vaporises my teammates special forces in the next block
Lol
Lmao
I'm sure we'll see those used by Russia after Putin's visit to Best Korea. Though personally I'm more interested in when are we finally gonna see some Chomna-ho in Russian service.
These were pretty good in Red Dragon. Doesn't save them from being an irredeemable spam deck though.
T-90 tho
wiener-san dominating the weak femine capitalists.
>officially known as juchepo (juche cannon)
Lmao, I love those norks
Why the sudden interest in this... Am I living in a simulation?
I just read a report on NORK machineing the explicitly cited the koksan.
And now this thread.
Anyway all of NATO operated 203mm guns for a long time.
The issue is counter battery. So they were phased out.
Bruh, USSR has this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2A3_Kondensator_2P - it barely worked
>out of service: 1960
That's the point, even soviets understood that at that point it's better to just use missiles.
The problems with that thing was that it simply didn't work; the range was utterly pathetic.
looks more like a Kompensator
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