Yep. Whatever was on that plane was important. You can see that they're actually in full damage control mode, trying to push a centralized narrative (it was ukrainian pows!!! here's a random list!!!) which isn't the reaction we get to minor happenings these days. Something big occurred here
Nah, I think they just had a plan on ice ready to go because of all the self-owns were fricking with morale, and they fricked up (in typical Russian fashion) with implementing the psyop.
So probably a plane carrying their own troops, shot down by their own AA. Judging from the cope and seethe, there might have been some military bigwig on board, on his way to Moscow. Or something like that.
Russia could do probably the best thing now and go through with the exchange, saying that it was the other plane.
It both makes them look good by not trying to pretend POW's aren't dead and it gives weight to any further bullshit they'd eventually peddle.
They're not nearly smart enough for that tho.
You're joking but that's actually a brilliant idea. They have thousands of corpses in morgues. Grab an exact number and scatter them. Get living mobiks to saw of limbs.
Then shoot the living mobiks in true Stalinist fashion and add them to the pile.
Ziggers probably needed to hide a bunch of POWs their men just tortured to death anyway, a crash site works perfectly, they can just dump them there and pretend the evil ukrops killed their own people, same shit they did when wagnerites murdered a bunch of POWs and pretended Ukraine killed them.
>why would they sacrifice a IL-76
This needs to be addressed. A functioning IL-76 is an asset that russia cannot afford to lose right now.
1)
It got shot down (we don't know for certain by who), and they're using the opportunity to salvage some sort of propaganda out of the situation.
2)
They had an IL-76 that was falling apart & useless, but had one decent flight left in it for a high value operation.
I don't like 2) very much. Also means killing a flight crew, which is as valuable or moreso than the IL-76. I lack the imagination at the moment to suggest 3), but anyone else is welcome to have at it.
>It got shot down (we don't know for certain by who), and they're using the opportunity to salvage some sort of propaganda out of the situation.
Almost guaranteed, 2 stretches suspension of disbelief way too much.
It's good cope, too, since after Russia unilaterally called off the exchange, it's impossible for Ukraine to call them out on their bullshit because no one aside from Russians knows the truth.
you dont crash expensive pieces of equipment to hide some random corpses moron. Ziggers have plenty of experience ditching them into holes/water to get rid of the corpses they dont want
>we are merely hours from D+700 of the special military operation to conquer Ukraine in 2 weeks
damn somebody better make a thread to get some TZD kino
my theory is that some russian soldiers are tired of putin's meekness and sabotaged their own plane to kill the POWs. This is probably really bad for russia because it signals a possible coup in the future
Frankly, I think that the palestinian lies about hostages being killed by Israel has been such a winner in the disinfo "news" cycle these past few weeks that puccia decided to take the bullshit out for a spin. My bet is that they already had 65 POW corpses on hand and fabricated the entire story to explain why they aren't alive for a scheduled exchange.
We saw this when they burned out the Asov POW barracks to disguise the torture and murder that had taken place, then tried to claim it was blown up by a Ukrainian missile. The pictures from the site looked nothing like a missile strike, none of the burn marks and other damage could have been produced by a missile strike.
Watch for it here. The POWs were already dead. monke is using this incident as a convenient cover to try and hide that.
They prepared for an exchange *somewhere*, not necessarily near the shootdown, and not necessarily with prisoners coming by air (from Tehran of all places?)
Fug. Russia is so disorganized and haphazzard they failed to inform ukraine this was the pow plane. Ukraine shot it down with patriots as they have been doing a lot lately.
You will find very soon, they will be malnourished, scarred, bruised and with bullets in the back of their heads, which is perfectly normal for people who die in a plane crash and not at all a sign of torture and execution
Anyone have a known route for the flight, I've herad the aircraft had just visited Iran but haven't seen the evidence for that claim.
I don't know about you but if I was moving prisoners, I wouldn't be taking them to a foreign country
>Landing a transport aircraft in a 30-kilometer war zone cannot be safe and must be discussed by both sides in any case, because otherwise it puts the entire exchange process at risk.
So Ukraine did shoot it down and it did have pows on it
>flying in the wrong direction (heading north-east, crashed at Yablunovo) when it crashed >came from Iran prior to that >like 2 bodies at the crash site
Yes, filled with Ukrainian POWs. They were snowbirds in Iran.
>IT WAS FULL OF UKRAINIAN POWS >Why was it flying out of Belgorod? Well it was just doing 30km circle >Why was it flying out of Teheran few hours ago? IT WAS DIFFERENT IL-76 WITH SAME NUMBER >Why there's only bodies of dead Russians on the ground? POW BODIES DISENTIGRATED ON CONTACT, HERE'S A LIST OF DEAD >Why this list is full of names of those who were already released? THERE WAS NEVER ANY LIST OF POWS, WHY YOU'RE MAKING THAT LIST UP, WE NEVER SAID THERE WAS ANY LIST
>because they were not informed it was carrying the pows
There was no information about pows on board, this is different from being not informed about PoWs. Considering Russians lied 5 times about this fricking Il-76 I'm not going to believe another lie
I wonder if that was Russia’s plan. >don’t tell Ukraine that the POWs are being flown in >Ukraine shoots at big, fat, slow target because why not >Plane dies >XAXAXAXAXAXA Idiot hohohohol dills killed their own people! Truly Russia is winning!
> I don't think they're so stupid
I’mma stop you right there Chief.
It’s Russia.
I don’t care what comes after that phrase, because they almost certainly are that stupid.
Unlikely: wasting men and material for propaganda purposes is too stupid for even the Russians (this entire special operation aside). They might have just had a boilerplate response for their next plane crash, though, given they've been dropping like flies recently.
I think its more likely that some fricktarded scared conscript saw big thing on radar and shot it, not knowing it was friendly because russian iff is a meme. Russians now are like, is air defense moronic or did the ukes smack us? And arent sure what to say, as both make them look weak as hell. Ukes likewise dont have a clue whats going on, because they didnt shoot the thing down.
you don't need an excuse to shoot an enemy plane though, they're just saying if it was carrying the pows like russia claims (which the ukrainians can't say at this point) russia should've stated that because you can't just randomly fly/land a plane near enemy lines
Flying a plane full of POWs close to the enemy, who recently destroyed 2 of your other planes, is a Joker-esque warcrime at best.
You might as well put POWs into BMPs and drive them into minefields at that point.
>always lie, always try and deflect from their own mistakes and place blame elsewhere, so none of this is surprising at all
Why does this sound so familiar?
>The Ukrainian military intelligence statement is implicit acknowledgement from Ukraine that it did shoot down the Russian military transport plane.
BBC thinks so as I'm sure anyone who read it and isn't a shill also thought.
The shill threads make me assume some Iranian big wigs were on board, the damage control is already being contradicted by even Russian allies because they tossed out a narrative so quick. I hope to God it was another Iran general that got clapped by proxy, that would be so fricking funny.
Let us revisit, once again, the question of just how many vatBlack folk were on the plane.
65 POWs seems like a minimum of 25 "escorts," perhaps 30 or more. There should be about 100 (or more) corpses at the crash site. IF puccia is not lying.
like many here, i really hope ukraine gets around to targeting glavset shillfarms soon - you frickers deserve death far more than the average mobik imo.
Do we know that it was an IL-76?
Would Russia waste any large aircraft on a suicide mission as even shitty ones cost a lot.
We do know that Russia will kill innocent Russians just to get one guy like Prizzy.
So if Russia did send an aircraft to its death on purpose it was not an IL-76.
If - by design or by coincidence, the Russians did transport Ukie PoWs on that plane, it's a Russian warcrime. A transport plane flying into Bilohrod is a combatant. It was rightly shot down and the Russian behaviour is nothing more than using prisoners as human shields (stop firing your unfair patriots at our transporterinos or you might kill your own). The only response you have to that is frick it and open fire at the double, or you'll just encourage such Black person behaviour.
If they want such flights, mark them with a RC, announce them and have a neutral party (Turkey was brokering deals for example) confirm it's a humanitarian flight. The Ukies are humans, they would lawfully respect that.
>If - by design or by coincidence, the Russians did transport Ukie PoWs on tha
yeah, but the whole narrative is just the usual russian dogshit; there's no proof of pow's being on the plane, no proof it was shot down by ukraine at all, so theorizing as you are is pretty fricking pointless really - stop buying into flimsy russian disinfo and get your fricking shit together.
God, this is fricking stupid. Instesd of the fact that the russkies lost an IL-76 with its entire crew, we are discussing whether there were PoWs onboard or not.
>HUR confirms swap cancelled >Russia claims the POWs died on the plane
Before calling people low IQ it pays to make sure you're not being the moronic one.
if (if) there were pows on the plane, it's plainly on russia for declaring as such
an undeclared ukrainian plane flying pows to russia would obviously be shot down too (at least assuming russian aa was up to the task)
Let us revisit, once again, the question of just how many vatBlack folk were on the plane.
65 POWs seems like a minimum of 25 "escorts," perhaps 30 or more. There should be about 100 (or more) corpses at the crash site. IF puccia is not lying.
Where are the bodies? Where's the casualty list?
There should be between 90 and 100 bodies at a minimum. Potentially more, if they were using the extra 80% of available transport space in an IL-76 for other equipment &/or troops, etc. It's an absolutely frickhuge plane to transport just 65 POWs, a ridiculous waste of resources. Unless it was also purposed to transport other things, such as weapons.
Watch webm related. Compare the size of that fireball to what we see here:
Here's footage of the crash, will upload webms of the crash site ASAP.
There was something more than "just fuel" on this POW transport. Interesting new War Crime BINGO! that vatBlack folk were transporting explosives on the same transport as POWs. It's like they were using Ukrainian POWs as meat shields for their weapons ...
>Interesting new War Crime BINGO! that vatBlack folk were transporting explosives on the same transport as POWs. It's like they were using Ukrainian POWs as meat shields for their weapons ...
Why waste perfectly good plane for carrying a measly 65 haholi serfs? Is can carry so much more ammoes.
>An entire complement of IRGC Staff Officers were on the plane >Iran is curtailing their support due to Russia inability to protect their advisors >t. Glowie on the ground
>AFU says we sniped those s300 missiles >Office of the president says we didn't do shit this is Russian warcrime >Russia now claiming they had planned to put negotiators on the plane but decided not to
intriguing. isn't killing negotiators a war crime?
Those bodies in the video are awfully intact. How convenient that they were the only ones left in one piece, while all the PoWs disintegrated without a trace.
Turns out that this means you can't disprove that an entire cadre of IRGC commanders didn't get disintegrated due to the incompetence of their own allies.
And considering it's the ziggers coping and seething, this implies that this was more likely than Ukie POWs.
You are your own worst enemy and it would do Russia a world of good is you just shut up and disappeared until the end of the war.
No joke I once misthrew a grenade in red orchestra 2 and teamkilled a dozen people. I was coping then so I can't imagine how bad it must be if you did it in real life.
Ah so this is the zigger spam of the day.
Reminder that killing 60 people (even if it's true, which it isn't cause nobody can prove it) and spamming it on /k/ doesn't magically bring back the soviet archaeotech plane back to life
>>but the last time they did they had this many guards
that time the exchange was in Saudi Arabia. I'd like to see you drive a bus full of prisoners to and from there. >also where are the bodies from the vertical dive fireball?
The crew seems to have left bodies, where are all these supposed passengers?
>It seems to have been taking off,
Why would POW's destined for a prisoner swap be loaded onto a plane in Belogorad instead of just being stuck onto a bus and driven down south to the Kharkiv border?
This, honestly I completely buy GUR's story, that they did hit the other plane, the one that went from Tehran, and were just covering their bases with the statement of "yes, there was the other plane, but we trust that we didn't hit it". Ironically enough, the zigger statement of the other plane with 80 POW's confirms that. What titles bong news sources infested with Hamas brainrot say doesn't matter.
>lately every claimed ukrainian air kill is actually either an accident, friendly fire, or didn't even happen according to russians >but this one plane which allegedly carried pows is an exception
a tad too convenient if you ask me
Even if you imagine that Ukraine actually shot down a russian plane full of ukrainian POW's, it still moronic how ziggers pretend it some sort of a win for them. They lost expensive fricking plane + pilots.
Russia went far beyond full moron it completely on another level or even plain at this point.
This, the fact that they haven't already moved to claiming it was friendly fire tells me that it actually was. Russian plane, Russian AD, no POWs, doesn't even need to be anything juicy on board.
You have no idea about flying. It only seems that they were flying further into Russia, the same way transatlantic planes seem to fly to far north. Has something to do with longituded.
>Has something to do with longituded.
Care to elaborate on what that something actually is? Cause the geolocated landmarks seem fairly straight forward in indicating them flying Eastward.
I think he's referring to a Great Circle route. If two destinations are the at the same latitude, the shortest flight path between them isn't a straight line, but an arc matching a circle going all the way around the earth that travels through both points.
>I think he's referring to a Great Circle route. If two destinations are the at the same latitude, the shortest flight path between them isn't a straight line, but an arc matching a circle going all the way around the earth that travels through both points.
Okay?
So does that somehow mean that despite all the indications of geolocated footage, tthat he aircraft was in fact *not* flying north eastward away from Belogorad and the Ukrainian border?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, I don't know what it has to do with the plane traveling away from Ukraine. He might be moronic or spreading misinfo, I was just explaining the concept.
Why the frick do people even believe that there was POWs in that flight when Ukraine is fricking next door what the frick. You'd have gotten faster on a truck at that distance.
>The Ukrainian statement is being seen as a tacit acknowledgement that it shot the plane down. >that Ukraine is admitting to shooting it down. >that Ukraine is admitting to shooting it down. >that Ukraine is admitting to shooting it down.
you can do better piggy
>Nowhere in the text is the Ukraine admitting they shot it down >"Please saar do the needful and admit the Ukrainians admitted even though they did not! It is tacit saar, it is the needful tacit!"
>Ukrainians have gone from celebrating their downing of the plane
Ukraine never claimed to have downed the plane. > to crying about getting 80 teamkills
I thought there were only 65 "Ukrainians" on the passenger list, where did those other 15 come from?
get your story straight Vanya.
Anon, it's rude to speak ill of the 92 Ukrainian POWs by pretending they never existed. How could you even be so cruel to the families of the 124 poor unfortunates who were lost in this tragic accident? At least give them time to bury all 318 dead (plus 4 Boris Johnsons) before pronouncing this nonsense.
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80? It was 60 no more than an hour ago.
This is why ziggers are bad at disinfo, because each one of them is just pulling a number out of their ass.
a couple hours there was a plane with 80 POW's, it was reported that plane got turned around
FIREHOOD OF FALSEHOOD b***h
This. Westerners are taught that, when somebody lies, it's done in order to conceal the truth.
Russians lie because they can, and because it empowers them. The truth is irrelevant to them.
My assumption is that they were all dead already and the "Plane Crash" was a convenient way to make it public and send a message to any other dissenters.
>Ukrainians have gone from celebrating
Sauce on that? I've been following this for the last ten hours or so and have not seen any Ukrainians celebrating. Please bring enough to share with the entire class.
>they totally did >they just deleted it >trust me bro >look at this screenshotted headline of a russian propaganda outlet as proof
The harder you push this obviously desperate narrative, the more apparent it becomes that whatever was in that plane was a big deal for puccia
sternenko was very skeptical
supernova, the fricker that constantly posts about needing to destroy belgorod, demanded statements from ukrainian mod
some fricker with 6k subs was also skeptical
armenia will never regain karabakh btw
What or who was really on that plane though ? More weaponry from Iran or a visiting foreign dignitary perhaps ?
And why did russia shoot it down ? If not shot down, was it sabotaged within russian territory ?
Hard to believe this is just the usual russian ineptitude given the amount of cope being offered up...
I find it funny how much the Russian canned narrative of the shootdown borrows from Girkin's accidental warcrime. Although without Seppo gopniks looting and desecrating the remains of neutral civilians (even iirc taking western clothes off them to sell)
Whatever did happen to those POWs its pretty safe to say that if anyones body can't be found/recovered the best place to look is the black soil of Kolyma
Since for obvious reasons you didn't link the actual supposed source, AKA pravda, I went ahead and found that >UE sources in the Armed Forces confirmed the fact of the plane crash, stating that "this is their job". Sources in Genstab are itching that the plane was carrying rockets for the SBS-300.
The use of the word "their" in this context means the ukies are confirming the vatniks shot down their own plane, thanks for giving us a credible source you fricking moron
https://web.archive.org/web/20240124093711/https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/01/24/7438639/
Disavowing moronation isn't usually required.
I didn't see many bodies I call bullshit. Just another Russian stalling tactic to avoid trading POWs that will bring back horror stories.
>this time it was true that Ukraine shot down our plane >it also happened to carry POWs this time >no the 4 SU-34s, the A-50 and the damaged IL-22
Russia has managed to shit up the topic so badly, it means anything they say is bullshit. I believe Ukraine shot down the plane, I don’t believe there were any POWs on it, since we have footage of the wreckage and the only bodies are the crew you dense vatnik.
moron-kun, the debate is what was inside the plane to make you so butthurt about it.
Does it really matter if it was the Ukies casually shooting down a plane in the middle of Russian territory or if the drunken conscripts manning a BUK team-killed another plane when the result is the same thing?
They seem to think they can just say what they like and we won't just open up another tab to go and see if their bullshitting or not. It also doesn't help that their level of knowledge about weapons and their effects are surface level, at best, so they have no way of actually defending their moronic statements.
because they're simply an extension of the russian state, are literally bound to lose.
sadly, most of them will live out their lives as ordinary russians after this conflict is over, will reach the grand old age of 50 instead of getting shredded in a meatgrinder at 18.
Becasue
A. They haven't captured moderation yet, unlike on /misc/, hence the continual seething against /k/ moderators and attempts to insert their mods
B. There isn't the background level of schizos who will mindlessly parrot their propaganda.
C. the shills genuinely don't understand the community of /k/, which predicated on high levels of personal freedom AND duty to one's community. Evil cannot understand good, etc.
They're used to their schizo hugbox on /misc/ where they can just say whatever convoluted crap and have five hundred morons adopt it as their new headcanon.
Sometimes I still think about those days during Prig's rebellion when the shillfarms shut the frick up for like two days. It really was a magical time.
Russians must be built different since their bodies were recovered from the crash but not the 65/70/80/200/500 Ukrainian POWs that were totally on board
>They're totally saying it's a confession >Even though it's not >Even though you can't post a single article where it is
You may be functionally illiterate. Which is kind of funny because it's clear from you write that you've very invested in the idea that you're smarter than other people. But it turns out you're not, you're at best a midwit and the small amount of intelligence you did have has been erased by spending time on /misc/. That's funny to me.
Nobody is denying Ukraine shot the plane down you fricking mouthbreather.
The question is, what the frick did it contain for Russia and it's shills (you) to work overtime on the story.
Ofcourse, Russia couldn't claim friendlly fire with this one, as we have footage, so they were forced to say the Ukies shot it down. But that's problematic... According to Russia, Ukraine hasn't shot down any Russian planes as of late.
So, enter POW story:
Russia finally admits that Ukraine shot down a plane of theirs (as they literally cannot deny it due to the footage) BUT! haha, dumb xokhol! We stuffed the plane with 65 of your own POWs! Also, no, we will not post a single video or picture of said POWs.
and then enter you:
mentally moronic, ready to guzzle liters of Russian cum, fall for it and does the job for them until the we're tired of shooting down your falsehoods and it gets memoryholed by Russia.
basically just regurgitating vatBlack person talking points while pretending a pic from 2022 is proof there were POWs aboard.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Now that it has been confirmed that the plane was carrying Ukraine POWs (picrel), what weaponry could have caused this accident?
reply >that's a pic from 22 september 2022. and those are russian soldiers
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60753298/
whew that was sloppy even for vatnik standards.
the thread has /chug/'s fingerprints all over it.
>Now that it has been confirmed that the plane was carrying Ukraine POWs (picrel), what weaponry could have caused this accident?
reply >that's a pic from 22 september 2022. and those are russian soldiers
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60753298/
I was just going to do a lazy one since I'm in the wage cage and a filthy mobileBlack person right now so making a proper one sounds like actual effort, but if you feel like doing it right by all means go ahead and make the new thread, it's all yours my friend :^)
the GRU literally has no way of knowing if there was 65 POWs on board that plane unless Russia has literally sent them pictures and shit. There could be, but with how poorly the RUMOD story lines up and the refusal to post any pictures/videos clearly showing dead Ukies at crash sites to the public, everything points towards Russia trying to save face over losing another military aircraft in such a short span of time.
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Since for obvious reasons you didn't link the actual supposed source, AKA pravda, I went ahead and found that >UE sources in the Armed Forces confirmed the fact of the plane crash, stating that "this is their job". Sources in Genstab are itching that the plane was carrying rockets for the SBS-300.
The use of the word "their" in this context means the ukies are confirming the vatniks shot down their own plane, thanks for giving us a credible source you fricking moron
https://web.archive.org/web/20240124093711/https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/01/24/7438639/
This sounds like the typical news outlet wanting to report everything ASAP, so they refer to another news outlet, but that source may not be completely accurate anyways. Then it's like a game of chinese whispers if they didn't copy 1 to 1. I guess we'll find out eventually maybe, or it will just be memory holed eventually by either sides.
Ignoring whatever may be inside the plane, consider this: >Ukie shot it down
Does that mean Ruskie's defenses were porous? >Ruskie shot it down
Why would you do that? Are you that fricking stupid?
Yeah, even to this day. MH17 really illustrates the Russian psyche: Sure, you have firehose of falsehood and information warfare. You have Vranyo and the russian relationship with lying for the purpose of dominance over plain deception. But above it all you have the simple fact that russians are the world's biggest fricking candy asses and get irretrievably buttblasted about anything that makes them look bad or anyone who doesn't accept their narrative. It's my theory why the ghost of kyiv shit made them so fricking mad back then, their egos were wounded by what they perceived as people preferring other lies to theirs.
Europeans are complete fricking homosexuals. To this very day almost 50% of the EU are unironic Putin/Greater Russia simps. You cannot fix stupid.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>50% are unironic Putin/Greater Russia simps
just like Americans you moronic pig
3 months ago
Anonymous
no it's not the same. Some europeans, like the entire germanosphere, have long term pro-Russia attitude. in the US it's only a temporary pro-Russia attitude because of bullshit exaggerated claims made about their election interference
3 months ago
Anonymous
>my fantasy is real
Is this what the moron Trump tells you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
i have simply stated the facts. the only reason any of the trumptards are pro-russia is because people said the russians got him elected and in fact there little facebook campaign was about as effective as chug
There were other airliners shot down before that didn't translate into war much less punishment. The MiG pilot who shot down a civilian airliner is still living and considered a hero of the Soviet Union for shooting down a """spy plane""".
If you're a nook country you're pretty much untouchable, non-nook havers are seeing this right now. Not only Russia strengthened NATO but they also opened Pandora's box to non-nook countries, both firstie and thirdie alike that if they don't have nooks then they can't do shit.
Unfortunately the bar for what people will believe is really low.
If anything this war has shown that people are 99% driven by what they believe rather than what they see with their own eyes.
Is that why the vatas are shitting themselves so hard?
Reminds me of the time Iran shot down picrel immediately after taking off from Tehran, because they thought it was an American cruise missile lmao.
They had state duma speeches prepared and shills are rabid. This was intentional.
I'm thinking they were sneaking something from iran and blew the plane up to hide the evidence. Perhaps they "forgot" to put the payment for the drones aboard.
why they would parade Iranian scientists near active warzone? seems pretty strange.
im not buying ukr pows on flight from Belogrod going east either tbh
I see a lot of explanations, I could come up with a few of my own like the plane was sabotaged in iran, there were saboteurs onboard, someone was behind moronic and committed an unironic honest to god genuine smooking incident or some other form of moronation, the pilot was on krokodil or had a heart attack, someone 9/11'd the plane, etc
but you know what? occam's razor, the plane probably just malfunctioned and dropped because lol russian maintenance
>but you know what? occam's razor, the plane probably just malfunctioned and dropped because lol russian maintenance
occam's razor is it being shot down
now, as moronic as the russians are, I don't believe they're THAT moronic
but I've been wrong about exactly that before many, many times so hey who knows
now, as moronic as the russians are, I don't believe they're THAT moronic
but I've been wrong about exactly that before many, many times so hey who knows
It 100 percent got shot down, the fuselage on the crash site is covered in holes.
Engine failure
Not likely. On the footage you could see pieces of the plane coming off when it was in freefall
>pieces of the plane coming off
So just a Russian plane?
>On the footage you could see pieces of the plane coming off
Did the front fall off?
yes
looks suspiciously similar to mh17 - front of the plane destroyed in air - buk anyone?
they do that when in complete free fall.
vatnik S-300 being operated by Korporal Krokodil in the Belgorod direction
Is this what has the browns so bottom bothered today?
Yep. Whatever was on that plane was important. You can see that they're actually in full damage control mode, trying to push a centralized narrative (it was ukrainian pows!!! here's a random list!!!) which isn't the reaction we get to minor happenings these days. Something big occurred here
We now know that it wasn't Ukrainian PoWs
Zisters..... the carefully controlled narrative got blown open by our African allies.....
Allies tend to do that, especially dictators when they can belittle you by showing that you are not in cotrol of the narrative.
T. French.
President of CHAD absolutely destroying the Russian narrative
Absolute mad lad
Maybe he just means the crew.
its not like he has special inside information, he just heard a plane crashed
Remember when the last president of chad died in battle
>President of Chad casually debunks Russian disinfo
Real life is the meme I swear to fricking God.
Well these POWs are surely dead now. You can say missile got them one way or another....
>Something big occurred here
We will have to wait until the local glowie tell us more about this
Nah, I think they just had a plan on ice ready to go because of all the self-owns were fricking with morale, and they fricked up (in typical Russian fashion) with implementing the psyop.
They def had the POW story pre-planned for such an occurrence
Yeah, this is a Cube Tier meltdown, so I'm suspecting something like Gerasimov actually being dead this time.
What gets me is how nonsensical their story is in the first place. Who the frick would waste freakin' air transport on a bunch of rnadom POWs?
Probably picrel
It actually made me laugh thanks
Russian AD is the winner for me
Patriot.
looks like buk to me
Boris Johnson
where was this geolocated to?
Yablunovo
Belgorod, where all Russian pilots go to be be shotdown.
Here's the first webm of the crash site
yeah, probably friendly fire.
Here is the second image, showing shrapnel damage.
clearly a failed engine!
So probably a plane carrying their own troops, shot down by their own AA. Judging from the cope and seethe, there might have been some military bigwig on board, on his way to Moscow. Or something like that.
why blur
I guess it's for legal reasons?
I'm not sure what the rules are in Russia for filming bodies at accident sites.
russian uniform
Over Warsaw, over 300 polish HATO mercenaries confirmed on board.
>What took it down?
Here's footage of the crash, will upload webms of the crash site ASAP.
Hopefully it returned to the airport under its own power
>What took it down?
Gravity.
Bane
Ukraine just dropped their preliminary opinion. They are indicating they don't know what happened ... eg, Ukraine did NOT do the shoot down.
well, those prisoners are now toast, Russia will kill them to keep their lie up.
>Perhaps the west is wondering why you would shoot a man before crashing the plane
Russia could do probably the best thing now and go through with the exchange, saying that it was the other plane.
It both makes them look good by not trying to pretend POW's aren't dead and it gives weight to any further bullshit they'd eventually peddle.
They're not nearly smart enough for that tho.
Just checked the UA government website, no such message has been posted.
https://gur.gov.ua/content/cohodni-mav-vidbutysia-obmin-polonenymy-iakyi-ne-vidbuvsia.html
Alright, their own AD shot down the plane and now the Russians will kill some mobiks, dress them up and pose them in the field.
You're joking but that's actually a brilliant idea. They have thousands of corpses in morgues. Grab an exact number and scatter them. Get living mobiks to saw of limbs.
Then shoot the living mobiks in true Stalinist fashion and add them to the pile.
Ziggers probably needed to hide a bunch of POWs their men just tortured to death anyway, a crash site works perfectly, they can just dump them there and pretend the evil ukrops killed their own people, same shit they did when wagnerites murdered a bunch of POWs and pretended Ukraine killed them.
But why would they sacrifice a IL-76, what’s essentially Lostech, to hide dead Ukrainian POWs?
>why would they sacrifice a IL-76
This needs to be addressed. A functioning IL-76 is an asset that russia cannot afford to lose right now.
1)
It got shot down (we don't know for certain by who), and they're using the opportunity to salvage some sort of propaganda out of the situation.
2)
They had an IL-76 that was falling apart & useless, but had one decent flight left in it for a high value operation.
I don't like 2) very much. Also means killing a flight crew, which is as valuable or moreso than the IL-76. I lack the imagination at the moment to suggest 3), but anyone else is welcome to have at it.
>It got shot down (we don't know for certain by who), and they're using the opportunity to salvage some sort of propaganda out of the situation.
Almost guaranteed, 2 stretches suspension of disbelief way too much.
It's good cope, too, since after Russia unilaterally called off the exchange, it's impossible for Ukraine to call them out on their bullshit because no one aside from Russians knows the truth.
you dont crash expensive pieces of equipment to hide some random corpses moron. Ziggers have plenty of experience ditching them into holes/water to get rid of the corpses they dont want
>we are merely hours from D+700 of the special military operation to conquer Ukraine in 2 weeks
damn somebody better make a thread to get some TZD kino
my theory is that some russian soldiers are tired of putin's meekness and sabotaged their own plane to kill the POWs. This is probably really bad for russia because it signals a possible coup in the future
Frankly, I think that the palestinian lies about hostages being killed by Israel has been such a winner in the disinfo "news" cycle these past few weeks that puccia decided to take the bullshit out for a spin. My bet is that they already had 65 POW corpses on hand and fabricated the entire story to explain why they aren't alive for a scheduled exchange.
We saw this when they burned out the Asov POW barracks to disguise the torture and murder that had taken place, then tried to claim it was blown up by a Ukrainian missile. The pictures from the site looked nothing like a missile strike, none of the burn marks and other damage could have been produced by a missile strike.
Watch for it here. The POWs were already dead. monke is using this incident as a convenient cover to try and hide that.
I knew it
Russian AA did it again
So they understood that a prisoner exchange was happening in the area but choose to fire missles into that area? are they fricking moronic?
They prepared for an exchange *somewhere*, not necessarily near the shootdown, and not necessarily with prisoners coming by air (from Tehran of all places?)
odds of ua pow with bullet holes appering at the crash site in the near future?
zero, russia has to hand back the bodies and it would be easy to tell if they were executed
Fug. Russia is so disorganized and haphazzard they failed to inform ukraine this was the pow plane. Ukraine shot it down with patriots as they have been doing a lot lately.
>Ukraine admit shooting down the plane
>This proves Ukraine didn't shoot down the plane
What level of cope is this?
hey Ranej point on that link where UA saying they shoot down the plane
what a moron
Is this new, or is it one of the planes that went down a few days ago?
No a new one. From today
>It's not our fault you should have told us about the POWs
>screencap without source
Its all very tiresome
It's pretty clearly from an S300/S400, if it was shot down by Ukraine, then I'm genuinely surprised they have any 5V55's left in stock.
the cope has only just begun, idiots here have made fools of themselves for hours and they're not about to admit they were wrong
Where are the bodies?
the fact it was flying away from belogorod makes me think it was going to pick up prisoners, and russia threw a fit when it was shot down
Can we see the 60 bodies then?
You may not, as all the bodies are wearing Russian uniforms.
nyet all bodies disintegrated upon crashings as is standard and usual, everyone already knows...
The 60 POW corpses are in the ass.
Everyone understands everything.
only seen two bodies, i think it had just dropped of weapons and was on the way out probably back to moscow
You may see 2.
You will find very soon, they will be malnourished, scarred, bruised and with bullets in the back of their heads, which is perfectly normal for people who die in a plane crash and not at all a sign of torture and execution
They will bring them to the crash site within a few days, please wait
The bodies returned to their graves on their own power.
You forgot the list again. Do you remember the list? You've been spamming it here just few hours ago.
Anyone have a known route for the flight, I've herad the aircraft had just visited Iran but haven't seen the evidence for that claim.
I don't know about you but if I was moving prisoners, I wouldn't be taking them to a foreign country
>if I make up my own timelines reality doesn't hurt as much
nice self coddling there.
Remind me - how did Yevgeny Prigozhin and some of his lieutenants die?
>Landing a transport aircraft in a 30-kilometer war zone cannot be safe and must be discussed by both sides in any case, because otherwise it puts the entire exchange process at risk.
So Ukraine did shoot it down and it did have pows on it
>flying in the wrong direction (heading north-east, crashed at Yablunovo) when it crashed
>came from Iran prior to that
>like 2 bodies at the crash site
Yes, filled with Ukrainian POWs. They were snowbirds in Iran.
>IT WAS FULL OF UKRAINIAN POWS
>Why was it flying out of Belgorod? Well it was just doing 30km circle
>Why was it flying out of Teheran few hours ago? IT WAS DIFFERENT IL-76 WITH SAME NUMBER
>Why there's only bodies of dead Russians on the ground? POW BODIES DISENTIGRATED ON CONTACT, HERE'S A LIST OF DEAD
>Why this list is full of names of those who were already released? THERE WAS NEVER ANY LIST OF POWS, WHY YOU'RE MAKING THAT LIST UP, WE NEVER SAID THERE WAS ANY LIST
Yes. I can't understand how anyone could comprehend it differently.
The mental gymnastic of psychotic war cheerleaders and shills is something to behold
I'm sure if there were any Ukrainians on board they would be happy to die this way. Frick Russia
>because they were not informed it was carrying the pows
There was no information about pows on board, this is different from being not informed about PoWs. Considering Russians lied 5 times about this fricking Il-76 I'm not going to believe another lie
I wonder if that was Russia’s plan.
>don’t tell Ukraine that the POWs are being flown in
>Ukraine shoots at big, fat, slow target because why not
>Plane dies
>XAXAXAXAXAXA Idiot hohohohol dills killed their own people! Truly Russia is winning!
I don't think they're so stupid as to let lost tech be destroyed just to kill some PoWs.
They think they can pull a MH-17 tier firehood of falsehood in 2023, of course they're so stupid.
> I don't think they're so stupid
I’mma stop you right there Chief.
It’s Russia.
I don’t care what comes after that phrase, because they almost certainly are that stupid.
alternately it could just be an ad hoc cope for getting an unrelated plane shot down by saying it was actually carrying dill
Unlikely: wasting men and material for propaganda purposes is too stupid for even the Russians (this entire special operation aside). They might have just had a boilerplate response for their next plane crash, though, given they've been dropping like flies recently.
For me it looks like Russians wanted to sneak in IL-76 through Belgorod on day of exchange because xoxols won't shoot
Ding ding ding.
I think its more likely that some fricktarded scared conscript saw big thing on radar and shot it, not knowing it was friendly because russian iff is a meme. Russians now are like, is air defense moronic or did the ukes smack us? And arent sure what to say, as both make them look weak as hell. Ukes likewise dont have a clue whats going on, because they didnt shoot the thing down.
>Yeah it's like when Israel is accused of bombing civilians
TIL Russian military planes are actually civilians
RIP, poor dipshits. Going down in a plane would be a terrifying way to go.
you don't need an excuse to shoot an enemy plane though, they're just saying if it was carrying the pows like russia claims (which the ukrainians can't say at this point) russia should've stated that because you can't just randomly fly/land a plane near enemy lines
Flying a plane full of POWs close to the enemy, who recently destroyed 2 of your other planes, is a Joker-esque warcrime at best.
You might as well put POWs into BMPs and drive them into minefields at that point.
>we didn't do it but if we did it's not our fault
>russian plane crashes as per usual
>russia claims it was full of ukranian pow's and ukraine shot it down
russians always lie, always try and deflect from their own mistakes and place blame elsewhere, so none of this is surprising at all.
Even if Ukraine shot it down, they're playing careful in case Russia decides to plant 65 burned bodies at the stage of the crash.
Which they definitely will.
>russians always lie
This is all that needs to be said
>always lie, always try and deflect from their own mistakes and place blame elsewhere, so none of this is surprising at all
Why does this sound so familiar?
Why would Russia waste a heavy cargo plane to transport a bunch of POWs when they can do it by truck or train like they have done it every other time?
>The Ukrainian military intelligence statement is implicit acknowledgement from Ukraine that it did shoot down the Russian military transport plane.
BBC thinks so as I'm sure anyone who read it and isn't a shill also thought.
The shill threads make me assume some Iranian big wigs were on board, the damage control is already being contradicted by even Russian allies because they tossed out a narrative so quick. I hope to God it was another Iran general that got clapped by proxy, that would be so fricking funny.
Let us revisit, once again, the question of just how many vatBlack folk were on the plane.
65 POWs seems like a minimum of 25 "escorts," perhaps 30 or more. There should be about 100 (or more) corpses at the crash site. IF puccia is not lying.
Where are the bodies? Where's the casualty list?
>Where's the casualty list?
delivered
>it's over
kek, how did Boris Johnson survive?
Superior British genes
Boris died honorably in combat, he would never allow himself to be taken prisoner
No Jorji Costava?
>Bakhmut cat wasn’t on board
Thank goodness.
>Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz
>Biden is a lich
I knew it.
Every day I think UKR shills can't get any worse and every day I'm proven wrong.
>UKR shills
You mean human beings?
It's just a recycling of 3 copes and then spamming whenever they can't control a thread narrative anymore
>Russia out of NOWHERE
like many here, i really hope ukraine gets around to targeting glavset shillfarms soon - you frickers deserve death far more than the average mobik imo.
Do we know that it was an IL-76?
Would Russia waste any large aircraft on a suicide mission as even shitty ones cost a lot.
We do know that Russia will kill innocent Russians just to get one guy like Prizzy.
So if Russia did send an aircraft to its death on purpose it was not an IL-76.
>Do we know that it was an IL-76?
Yes. Picrel, the first reporting out of puccia almost instantly after it happened.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH NONONONO ZISTERS
>ukrainian UAV disguised as Russian Il-76 full of хoхoл POVs disgusted as mobiks
What the frick is wrong with you Black folk.
If - by design or by coincidence, the Russians did transport Ukie PoWs on that plane, it's a Russian warcrime. A transport plane flying into Bilohrod is a combatant. It was rightly shot down and the Russian behaviour is nothing more than using prisoners as human shields (stop firing your unfair patriots at our transporterinos or you might kill your own). The only response you have to that is frick it and open fire at the double, or you'll just encourage such Black person behaviour.
If they want such flights, mark them with a RC, announce them and have a neutral party (Turkey was brokering deals for example) confirm it's a humanitarian flight. The Ukies are humans, they would lawfully respect that.
Captcha SRTDZ - slight typo in TZD.
>The Ukies are humans, they would lawfully respect that.
Vatniks don't see it that way.
That's a gigantic IF.
stop making sense, you're ruining my propaganda!
>If - by design or by coincidence, the Russians did transport Ukie PoWs on tha
yeah, but the whole narrative is just the usual russian dogshit; there's no proof of pow's being on the plane, no proof it was shot down by ukraine at all, so theorizing as you are is pretty fricking pointless really - stop buying into flimsy russian disinfo and get your fricking shit together.
You're asking the Russians do to something with their planes they don't do when its carrying their own men, much less in case of POWs....
>if I say it enough it becomes true
troony behavior
God, this is fricking stupid. Instesd of the fact that the russkies lost an IL-76 with its entire crew, we are discussing whether there were PoWs onboard or not.
I guess that was the point, huh...
see
the jig was already up before you convinced even one person of this lie
mods?
(Russia claims)
> I read what I want to read !!
>(HUR) Ukraine's military's Main Intelligence Directorate.
Low iq frog poster.
no shit but the claim about the pows having been on that plane comes from russia
This.
I stopped believing russian claims about anything years ago, am not about to start believing the lying c**ts now.
>HUR confirms swap cancelled
>Russia claims the POWs died on the plane
Before calling people low IQ it pays to make sure you're not being the moronic one.
>(HUR) article full of claims and I interpret it how I want
if (if) there were pows on the plane, it's plainly on russia for declaring as such
an undeclared ukrainian plane flying pows to russia would obviously be shot down too (at least assuming russian aa was up to the task)
>for declaring as such
*not declaring
>if I say it enough it becomes true
troony behavior
Have we seen any bodies yet, aside from the crew's?
for a plane supposedly carrying over 70 people, only two mangled bodies in a field sure is a weird fricking happenstance.
SEE ->
There should be between 90 and 100 bodies at a minimum. Potentially more, if they were using the extra 80% of available transport space in an IL-76 for other equipment &/or troops, etc. It's an absolutely frickhuge plane to transport just 65 POWs, a ridiculous waste of resources. Unless it was also purposed to transport other things, such as weapons.
Watch webm related. Compare the size of that fireball to what we see here:
There was something more than "just fuel" on this POW transport. Interesting new War Crime BINGO! that vatBlack folk were transporting explosives on the same transport as POWs. It's like they were using Ukrainian POWs as meat shields for their weapons ...
>Interesting new War Crime BINGO! that vatBlack folk were transporting explosives on the same transport as POWs. It's like they were using Ukrainian POWs as meat shields for their weapons ...
Why waste perfectly good plane for carrying a measly 65 haholi serfs? Is can carry so much more ammoes.
An IL-76 can carry up to 125 paratroopers so it is pretty wasteful.
125 russian paratroopers is a waste though anyway...
True.
>An entire complement of IRGC Staff Officers were on the plane
>Iran is curtailing their support due to Russia inability to protect their advisors
>t. Glowie on the ground
The bodies, Rajesh, show the bodies. You Black folk never back up your claims, ever.
No more dried chickpeas for lunch today, Siddhartha.
You guys really gotta find better bullshit to pump
I'm fricking tired of people asking for proof of the bodies. Stop being Russophobic if you know what's good for you.
Your own shitty OPSEC has once again failed you, eggless cretin.
>AFU says we sniped those s300 missiles
>Office of the president says we didn't do shit this is Russian warcrime
>Russia now claiming they had planned to put negotiators on the plane but decided not to
intriguing. isn't killing negotiators a war crime?
Question.
Ziggers keep claiming that this was a known, prearranged prisoner exchange.
Why would they need to bring in negotiators?
then why is there a body in the crash video, moron-kun?
Those bodies in the video are awfully intact. How convenient that they were the only ones left in one piece, while all the PoWs disintegrated without a trace.
It reminds of Sandy Hook deniers. Despite the overwhelming evidence they kept demanding to see photos of child corpses.
Turns out that this means you can't disprove that an entire cadre of IRGC commanders didn't get disintegrated due to the incompetence of their own allies.
And considering it's the ziggers coping and seething, this implies that this was more likely than Ukie POWs.
You are your own worst enemy and it would do Russia a world of good is you just shut up and disappeared until the end of the war.
>Vertical dive
>wienerpit landed first
>Crew member bodies intact, just squeezed some blood out
?????
No joke I once misthrew a grenade in red orchestra 2 and teamkilled a dozen people. I was coping then so I can't imagine how bad it must be if you did it in real life.
Stop replying to yourself man
I'm samegayging a bunch in this entire thread. How did you pick the one reply where I wasn't?
Because when half the thread is just you crying to yourself, we can pick up you speech patterns.
stop lying moronic pig
>Kiev post deleting their UA MOD claims that they shot it down
no source you moronic pig only a fake screenshot
Ah so this is the zigger spam of the day.
Reminder that killing 60 people (even if it's true, which it isn't cause nobody can prove it) and spamming it on /k/ doesn't magically bring back the soviet archaeotech plane back to life
>>but the last time they did they had this many guards
that time the exchange was in Saudi Arabia. I'd like to see you drive a bus full of prisoners to and from there.
>also where are the bodies from the vertical dive fireball?
The crew seems to have left bodies, where are all these supposed passengers?
There's already video proof of two intact bodies from the wreck. Obviously the Il76 was going way fairly slow/was at a low altitude when it crashed.
It seems to have been taking off, so it had a low velocity. And the fireball size suggest it was tanked up for the coming flight.
>It seems to have been taking off,
Why would POW's destined for a prisoner swap be loaded onto a plane in Belogorad instead of just being stuck onto a bus and driven down south to the Kharkiv border?
This, honestly I completely buy GUR's story, that they did hit the other plane, the one that went from Tehran, and were just covering their bases with the statement of "yes, there was the other plane, but we trust that we didn't hit it". Ironically enough, the zigger statement of the other plane with 80 POW's confirms that. What titles bong news sources infested with Hamas brainrot say doesn't matter.
>nose down crash
>people in the wienerpit are the only ones who leave bodies
>Dunno, I guess they weren't in the wienerpit
Where were they then? The plane crashed wienerpit first, yet the crew bodies are intact.
>lately every claimed ukrainian air kill is actually either an accident, friendly fire, or didn't even happen according to russians
>but this one plane which allegedly carried pows is an exception
a tad too convenient if you ask me
Even if you imagine that Ukraine actually shot down a russian plane full of ukrainian POW's, it still moronic how ziggers pretend it some sort of a win for them. They lost expensive fricking plane + pilots.
Russia went far beyond full moron it completely on another level or even plain at this point.
of course it's not a win
the backtracking from ukraine is kind of amusing though, them being so wienery all the time
It’s even worse for Russia, as it proves they’re using POWs as meat shields which is a huge no no in war.
This, the fact that they haven't already moved to claiming it was friendly fire tells me that it actually was. Russian plane, Russian AD, no POWs, doesn't even need to be anything juicy on board.
Most likely, that means it was another Belgorod Air Defense greatest hits track.
Priggy's revenge.
>Place your bets. What took it down?
sabotage from within russia.
>if i repeat this hard enough it will become true
troony behaviour
>this flight was returning Ukie POWs home by flying them further into Russia
Seems legit to me Z-Bros.
You have no idea about flying. It only seems that they were flying further into Russia, the same way transatlantic planes seem to fly to far north. Has something to do with longituded.
>copebomber said so
moronic pig there are flight maps
>Has something to do with longituded.
Care to elaborate on what that something actually is? Cause the geolocated landmarks seem fairly straight forward in indicating them flying Eastward.
I think he's referring to a Great Circle route. If two destinations are the at the same latitude, the shortest flight path between them isn't a straight line, but an arc matching a circle going all the way around the earth that travels through both points.
>I think he's referring to a Great Circle route. If two destinations are the at the same latitude, the shortest flight path between them isn't a straight line, but an arc matching a circle going all the way around the earth that travels through both points.
Okay?
So does that somehow mean that despite all the indications of geolocated footage, tthat he aircraft was in fact *not* flying north eastward away from Belogorad and the Ukrainian border?
No, I don't know what it has to do with the plane traveling away from Ukraine. He might be moronic or spreading misinfo, I was just explaining the concept.
you are completely right - earth is a globe, so by flying east, you will eventually reach up west
absolute genius right here... fricking moron, kek
Why the frick do people even believe that there was POWs in that flight when Ukraine is fricking next door what the frick. You'd have gotten faster on a truck at that distance.
Here
Priggy's plane was a flimsy piece of shit business jet, and they still found most of him and Utkin in one piece.
>10 meters of fall (at most) not visible on video
>a-anything could have happened during those four seconds you guise!!!1!
Four seconds? For 10-20m of fall? Bruh, it's fractions of a second.
Ground launched pallets
>The Ukrainian statement is being seen as a tacit acknowledgement that it shot the plane down.
so they didn't admit to jack shit?
>The Ukrainian statement is being seen as a tacit acknowledgement that it shot the plane down.
>that Ukraine is admitting to shooting it down.
>that Ukraine is admitting to shooting it down.
>that Ukraine is admitting to shooting it down.
you can do better piggy
Why was a plane full of POWs flying from Iran to Belgorod then taking off from Belgorod and flying North East?
>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68080529
>R u ESL???!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?
Why it's always projections from u Ranjesh?
>All I know is the Ukrainians have gone from celebrating their downing of the plane to crying about getting 80 teamkills
try harder moron pig
>Nowhere in the text is the Ukraine admitting they shot it down
>"Please saar do the needful and admit the Ukrainians admitted even though they did not! It is tacit saar, it is the needful tacit!"
>Ukrainians have gone from celebrating their downing of the plane
Ukraine never claimed to have downed the plane.
> to crying about getting 80 teamkills
I thought there were only 65 "Ukrainians" on the passenger list, where did those other 15 come from?
get your story straight Vanya.
Anon, it's rude to speak ill of the 92 Ukrainian POWs by pretending they never existed. How could you even be so cruel to the families of the 124 poor unfortunates who were lost in this tragic accident? At least give them time to bury all 318 dead (plus 4 Boris Johnsons) before pronouncing this nonsense.
a couple hours there was a plane with 80 POW's, it was reported that plane got turned around
FIREHOOD OF FALSEHOOD b***h
Behold, the face of our enemy.
80? It was 60 no more than an hour ago.
This is why ziggers are bad at disinfo, because each one of them is just pulling a number out of their ass.
Much like Hulk Hogan talking about slamming Andre the Giant, the numbers get bigger with every telling.
The goal of something like that is to confuse you. Its innacurate intentionally
This. Westerners are taught that, when somebody lies, it's done in order to conceal the truth.
Russians lie because they can, and because it empowers them. The truth is irrelevant to them.
My assumption is that they were all dead already and the "Plane Crash" was a convenient way to make it public and send a message to any other dissenters.
pajeet pig is confusing the stories guys, 65 were supposed to be on the crashed plane, 80 on the other plane
>Ukrainians have gone from celebrating
Sauce on that? I've been following this for the last ten hours or so and have not seen any Ukrainians celebrating. Please bring enough to share with the entire class.
>two anons both reply to different posts making the same point do debunk your claims
>misuse a meme in reply.
Cargo Cult behavior
I don't think it's esl, it's more just terminal seething turned into coping and spamming
coping of moronic russian pigs
stop samegayging Ranjesh and consider the following
>Ukrainska Pravda
which cited the russians...
>Kyiv Post
which isn't the Ukrainian MoD
>they totally did
>they just deleted it
>trust me bro
>look at this screenshotted headline of a russian propaganda outlet as proof
The harder you push this obviously desperate narrative, the more apparent it becomes that whatever was in that plane was a big deal for puccia
i too, have ms paint on my pc rameesh
archive link?
Russia is losing. Badly.
sternenko was very skeptical
supernova, the fricker that constantly posts about needing to destroy belgorod, demanded statements from ukrainian mod
some fricker with 6k subs was also skeptical
armenia will never regain karabakh btw
To be fair, it could be fricking anything. The whole thing is really "trust me bro", there wasn't any third party auditing the plane.
Why can't we see the bodies? When donbabweans gleefully shot down MH17 there were visible bodies around the wreckage
>Join any KGB honeypot and scroll up
frick off will ya
good source piggy
it would also proof nothing you moronic pig
It it is true, 65 Russian POWs should be selected and summarily executed.
>kyivpost
>ukrainska pravda
>RBK ukrajina
which one is it then, ramesh?
What or who was really on that plane though ? More weaponry from Iran or a visiting foreign dignitary perhaps ?
And why did russia shoot it down ? If not shot down, was it sabotaged within russian territory ?
Hard to believe this is just the usual russian ineptitude given the amount of cope being offered up...
probably weapons from Iran
For your consideration
this is fake, right?
Must be, its an actual picture of something instead of some homosexual on PrepHole just saying so.
Firehose of falsehood in action
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
https://t.me/mod_russia/34241
it's true
Russian AA shooting down a friendly just after take-off which was full of fancy, new goodies does sound like something the Russians would do.
>asking for an archive link instead of an mspaint screenshot is "moving the goalposts"
>Sources from "Ukrainska Pravda" in the Armed Forces
you tried
I find it funny how much the Russian canned narrative of the shootdown borrows from Girkin's accidental warcrime. Although without Seppo gopniks looting and desecrating the remains of neutral civilians (even iirc taking western clothes off them to sell)
Whatever did happen to those POWs its pretty safe to say that if anyones body can't be found/recovered the best place to look is the black soil of Kolyma
>65 of their own
Where are they?
Since for obvious reasons you didn't link the actual supposed source, AKA pravda, I went ahead and found that
>UE sources in the Armed Forces confirmed the fact of the plane crash, stating that "this is their job". Sources in Genstab are itching that the plane was carrying rockets for the SBS-300.
The use of the word "their" in this context means the ukies are confirming the vatniks shot down their own plane, thanks for giving us a credible source you fricking moron
https://web.archive.org/web/20240124093711/https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/01/24/7438639/
War Crime
Disavowing moronation isn't usually required.
I didn't see many bodies I call bullshit. Just another Russian stalling tactic to avoid trading POWs that will bring back horror stories.
Where are the bodies? Why are the crew members the only corpses that have been found?
Shoigu and Gerasimov are informed.
Bodies will be delivered in the coming days.
There is no need to inform Gerasimov, he is on extended Holiday for the moment
I guess he will be there then.
>this time it was true that Ukraine shot down our plane
>it also happened to carry POWs this time
>no the 4 SU-34s, the A-50 and the damaged IL-22
Russia has managed to shit up the topic so badly, it means anything they say is bullshit. I believe Ukraine shot down the plane, I don’t believe there were any POWs on it, since we have footage of the wreckage and the only bodies are the crew you dense vatnik.
One of the pilots smoked a cigarette and accidently blew up the plane. An accident. I am John Johnson and I reside in American state blast.
moron-kun, the debate is what was inside the plane to make you so butthurt about it.
Does it really matter if it was the Ukies casually shooting down a plane in the middle of Russian territory or if the drunken conscripts manning a BUK team-killed another plane when the result is the same thing?
How come russian shills always lose on /k/?
It's pretty hard to win if reality isn't in your favor.
They aren't sending their best.
they follow the principle of quantity over quality, hence the spam
They're just mirroring the glorious puccian victories on the battlefield
Because they are all clinically moronic.
They seem to think they can just say what they like and we won't just open up another tab to go and see if their bullshitting or not. It also doesn't help that their level of knowledge about weapons and their effects are surface level, at best, so they have no way of actually defending their moronic statements.
because they're simply an extension of the russian state, are literally bound to lose.
sadly, most of them will live out their lives as ordinary russians after this conflict is over, will reach the grand old age of 50 instead of getting shredded in a meatgrinder at 18.
Becasue
A. They haven't captured moderation yet, unlike on /misc/, hence the continual seething against /k/ moderators and attempts to insert their mods
B. There isn't the background level of schizos who will mindlessly parrot their propaganda.
C. the shills genuinely don't understand the community of /k/, which predicated on high levels of personal freedom AND duty to one's community. Evil cannot understand good, etc.
They're used to their schizo hugbox on /misc/ where they can just say whatever convoluted crap and have five hundred morons adopt it as their new headcanon.
man i wish someone would just bomb the zigger trollfarms already...
Sometimes I still think about those days during Prig's rebellion when the shillfarms shut the frick up for like two days. It really was a magical time.
the firehose of falsehood isn't working today ranjeesh, we're still finding out the truth
>imaginationposting unironically
fully buck broken
Russians must be built different since their bodies were recovered from the crash but not the 65/70/80/200/500 Ukrainian POWs that were totally on board
>Be winter nigeria
>loose another military jet
>loose the whole crew
Any cons?
>They're totally saying it's a confession
>Even though it's not
>Even though you can't post a single article where it is
You may be functionally illiterate. Which is kind of funny because it's clear from you write that you've very invested in the idea that you're smarter than other people. But it turns out you're not, you're at best a midwit and the small amount of intelligence you did have has been erased by spending time on /misc/. That's funny to me.
Nobody is denying Ukraine shot the plane down you fricking mouthbreather.
The question is, what the frick did it contain for Russia and it's shills (you) to work overtime on the story.
Ofcourse, Russia couldn't claim friendlly fire with this one, as we have footage, so they were forced to say the Ukies shot it down. But that's problematic... According to Russia, Ukraine hasn't shot down any Russian planes as of late.
So, enter POW story:
Russia finally admits that Ukraine shot down a plane of theirs (as they literally cannot deny it due to the footage) BUT! haha, dumb xokhol! We stuffed the plane with 65 of your own POWs! Also, no, we will not post a single video or picture of said POWs.
and then enter you:
mentally moronic, ready to guzzle liters of Russian cum, fall for it and does the job for them until the we're tired of shooting down your falsehoods and it gets memoryholed by Russia.
I'm willing to bet the Ukrainians didn't shoot down shit, it was Belgorod Air Defense again. This wouldn't even be the 3rd or 4th time this happens.
>Nobody is denying Ukraine shot the plane down you fricking mouthbreather.
until they claim it you can get fricked you fricking nonce.
For fricks sake you coward!
Just tell us how many Iranians died already, so you can start the grieving process instead of crying in denial here.
the moronic russian shills don't realize that the more they post the more they are proving it's a lie
The point is to get you morons to keep replying and get the post count over the bump limit. Watch him stop replying now, because he doesn't need to.
Stop taking such easy fricking bait you newbies.
It's fine, the idiots will get banned and them the whole thing will shrink by a 100+ posts.
>bump limit reached
>the stinker is gone
like clockwork
what was it? it already got 404'd
basically just regurgitating vatBlack person talking points while pretending a pic from 2022 is proof there were POWs aboard.
whew that was sloppy even for vatnik standards.
the thread has /chug/'s fingerprints all over it.
>Now that it has been confirmed that the plane was carrying Ukraine POWs (picrel), what weaponry could have caused this accident?
reply
>that's a pic from 22 september 2022. and those are russian soldiers
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60753298/
Sure would be a shame if I just made a new thread and posted a migration link in this one once it gets to page 7 or so.
Would truly be a shame. Especially one that front loads all of the evidence proving the Black folk wrong. Truly a shame
I was just going to do a lazy one since I'm in the wage cage and a filthy mobileBlack person right now so making a proper one sounds like actual effort, but if you feel like doing it right by all means go ahead and make the new thread, it's all yours my friend :^)
the GRU literally has no way of knowing if there was 65 POWs on board that plane unless Russia has literally sent them pictures and shit. There could be, but with how poorly the RUMOD story lines up and the refusal to post any pictures/videos clearly showing dead Ukies at crash sites to the public, everything points towards Russia trying to save face over losing another military aircraft in such a short span of time.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60751559/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60751027/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60750240/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60749800/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60748877/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60748366/
This sounds like the typical news outlet wanting to report everything ASAP, so they refer to another news outlet, but that source may not be completely accurate anyways. Then it's like a game of chinese whispers if they didn't copy 1 to 1. I guess we'll find out eventually maybe, or it will just be memory holed eventually by either sides.
Ignoring whatever may be inside the plane, consider this:
>Ukie shot it down
Does that mean Ruskie's defenses were porous?
>Ruskie shot it down
Why would you do that? Are you that fricking stupid?
This fricking timeline is weird.
>Ukraine have admitted they shot it down in two public statements !!!!!!
what difference does that make. it's more about whether or not there was POWs and as it stands now, there were no POWs present in the aircraft
somebody got that "blaming" timeline of malaysian airlines downing?
'ere you go sir
thanks, have russian girl operating a gun
That’s a hell of a stank face
I didn't realize it lasted that many years WTF
But they're still at it huh?
Yeah, even to this day. MH17 really illustrates the Russian psyche: Sure, you have firehose of falsehood and information warfare. You have Vranyo and the russian relationship with lying for the purpose of dominance over plain deception. But above it all you have the simple fact that russians are the world's biggest fricking candy asses and get irretrievably buttblasted about anything that makes them look bad or anyone who doesn't accept their narrative. It's my theory why the ghost of kyiv shit made them so fricking mad back then, their egos were wounded by what they perceived as people preferring other lies to theirs.
I don't get why MH17 had literally zero consequences and we never did anything about it.
Stasi Angie.
Europeans are complete fricking homosexuals. To this very day almost 50% of the EU are unironic Putin/Greater Russia simps. You cannot fix stupid.
>50% are unironic Putin/Greater Russia simps
just like Americans you moronic pig
no it's not the same. Some europeans, like the entire germanosphere, have long term pro-Russia attitude. in the US it's only a temporary pro-Russia attitude because of bullshit exaggerated claims made about their election interference
>my fantasy is real
Is this what the moron Trump tells you?
i have simply stated the facts. the only reason any of the trumptards are pro-russia is because people said the russians got him elected and in fact there little facebook campaign was about as effective as chug
There were other airliners shot down before that didn't translate into war much less punishment. The MiG pilot who shot down a civilian airliner is still living and considered a hero of the Soviet Union for shooting down a """spy plane""".
If you're a nook country you're pretty much untouchable, non-nook havers are seeing this right now. Not only Russia strengthened NATO but they also opened Pandora's box to non-nook countries, both firstie and thirdie alike that if they don't have nooks then they can't do shit.
for me it's the totally real satellite image of a Ukrainian Su-27 firing a missile at it
Unfortunately the bar for what people will believe is really low.
If anything this war has shown that people are 99% driven by what they believe rather than what they see with their own eyes.
POWs on the list confirmed already exchanged in the past
Russian air defense shot it down
It was hit too low and too early to even register on Ukraine radar, never mind sending AA missile all way from 200 km away.
Ukraine would need to launch the interceptor before the plane left the runway.
Is that why the vatas are shitting themselves so hard?
Reminds me of the time Iran shot down picrel immediately after taking off from Tehran, because they thought it was an American cruise missile lmao.
They had state duma speeches prepared and shills are rabid. This was intentional.
I'm thinking they were sneaking something from iran and blew the plane up to hide the evidence. Perhaps they "forgot" to put the payment for the drones aboard.
>"Ah, yes, what an absolute shame the $500 million payment was completely burn to ashes. No, sorry, we don't have any more money, that was all of it."
New explanation just dropped
that is still some random homosexual saying
why are there no bodies
clearly whatever or whoever was on the plane was offloaded in Belgorod before it took off again
That would explain all the Sar posting, but still doesn't explain the lack of bodies. Would be very funny though !
>86
and the number keep on climbing!
but you know whats weird? there are no bodies
why they would parade Iranian scientists near active warzone? seems pretty strange.
im not buying ukr pows on flight from Belogrod going east either tbh
>Iranian scientists
it says drone instructors
I see a lot of explanations, I could come up with a few of my own like the plane was sabotaged in iran, there were saboteurs onboard, someone was behind moronic and committed an unironic honest to god genuine smooking incident or some other form of moronation, the pilot was on krokodil or had a heart attack, someone 9/11'd the plane, etc
but you know what? occam's razor, the plane probably just malfunctioned and dropped because lol russian maintenance
>but you know what? occam's razor, the plane probably just malfunctioned and dropped because lol russian maintenance
occam's razor is it being shot down
now, as moronic as the russians are, I don't believe they're THAT moronic
but I've been wrong about exactly that before many, many times so hey who knows
planes down usually leave a giant smoke cloud in the sky
It 100 percent got shot down, the fuselage on the crash site is covered in holes.
jellyfish ufo