It got blown off in the explosion.
It's 100% an IL-22M and not any other Coot variant since you can see the APU exhaust under the tailplane.
Il-18, Il-20 etc. do not have that
>it's a shoop
Or the OP is a shoop, given that most photos of VVS IL-22s show the tail number in that exact location. Which is more likely: >Russia removed the tail numbers from their C&C planes, but someone had a picture of the text originally on this one from just the right angle to match this photo >someone shooped the numbers off so they could claim it's Ukrainian lies!
>all these morons claiming it was PAC-2
sure bud Ukraine is definitely keeping patriots 15km from the frontline
Could be the A-50 had been flying on a predictable schedule, Ukraine pulled a patriot battery into position, fired, and GTFO because it was a worthwhile risk to kill an AWACS.
I put the picture with numbers into fotoforensics.com, it has much less errors/artifacts than the fighterbomber one, implying it's really the original one.
to add, there is still no proof the picture is from 2022 or that the original didn't have the number shopped in.
How is nobody able to find the picture without tailnumbers and without homosexualbombers watermark as per [...] ?
Seems like tail numbers picture is the original considering it bears no watermark or other signs of altercations.
>How is nobody able to find the picture without tailnumbers and without homosexualbombers watermark as per
because it could be his picture
4 months ago
Anonymous
>because it could be his picture
why does the one with tailnumbers have no watermark, he obviously wasn't the first to bring the picture, he was however the one who shooped it and spread it wide.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>why does the one with tailnumbers have no watermark, he obviously wasn't the first to bring the picture
then why is there no source?
also it's not hard to use AI to remove the watermark
4 months ago
Anonymous
>then why is there no source?
Why is there no source for an unwatermarked pic without tailnumbers >also it's not hard to use AI to remove the watermark
then go ahead and do it with picrel, see how that turns out for ya
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'd rather someone try to figure out if the location can be determined by the markings on the fire truck. There's a different thread where anon speculates that this picture isn't taken at Anapa.
4 months ago
Anonymous
In a video about the airport, uploaded 9 years ago, Anapa had different firetrucks
4 months ago
Anonymous
4 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/85A2uAu.png
not really a evidence, stations have different types of vehicles
4 months ago
Anonymous
Not claiming it to be 100% proof. It is a small airport firestation though. Build new in 2013. That would fit with the video and the trucks being new then. 4 doors, 3 trucks shown ad one command vehicle.
4 months ago
Anonymous
4 months ago
Anonymous
Station in June 2021
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Ukraine has knowledge of a Russian Il-22M damaged in 2022, including the tail number. >Ukraine immaculately photoshops the tail number onto a picture of an Il-22M damaged in 2024 to make a Russian propagandist look bad, who releases an obvious photoshop of the same plane
What?
>What do you think this aircraft got hit by
S200. Literally the only thing with enough range to hit that IL and inaccurate enough to miss it (but with a warhead big enough to still seriously damage the plane)
Could be true. Ukraine had a S-200 division all the way until 2013 so they might still have missile stocks. Also Poland and Bulgaria still operate it so they might've donated some missiles or parts for repair.
It was hit 160km from Orkhiv. It was prettyclose to the shore
anon, it was hit with a fricking PAC-2, what do you think happened to it?
french-italins Mamba (SAMP/T) reason being Aster 30 have radar self guidance and can be launched and directed i sector where contact is expected and missile then locks it on and destroys it
Eurosam unveils new SAMP/T air defense variant at Dubai Airshow
By Agnes Helou
Nov 16, 2021
wrong
4 months ago
Anonymous
wrong
that was for Block 1
this is for Block 1 NT
https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/january/12773-france-italy-buy-new-aster-30-b1-nt-surface-to-air-missiles.html
4 months ago
Anonymous
wiki uses THAT article for a source that aster30 has 150+ km range
4 months ago
Anonymous
so it wouldn't be the first time Wikipedia is wrong, or the last
the article you posted? it refers to Block 1NT, which is the one described with "range in excess of 150km"
MBDA itself only says that Aster 30 goes "in excess of" 130km
Aster 30 is only a 15kg warhead with a 2m fragmentation radius.
IDK about you, but the Il-22 that made it back looks like it was peppered by a much wider spread of fragmentation.
The PAC-2 uses an 85kg fragmentation warhead with a much larger frag radius, more like what we see in the picture with a very large spread of fragmentation spread across the fuselage and tail.
Can't patriot get a radar lock from a friendly AWACS in the area? We know Australia recently sent one of their E-7As there as well so a very modern AWACS would potentially be available for such tasks.
>radar lock
you are a newbie moron, these things have a radar warning, as soon as you they are locked they flee. >but the Il-22 that made it back looks
that picture was debunked on this very thread
JC
4 months ago
Anonymous
>that picture was debunked on this very thread
No it wasn't
4 months ago
Anonymous
gonna ignore first part of statement?
also thread picture is from 2021
4 months ago
Anonymous
>also thread picture is from 2021
Then why can't you post that source from 2021?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Still ignoring first statement like Black person you are?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Still ignoring your downed AWACS and unrepairable SIGINT planes?
4 months ago
Anonymous
wtf? you moronic fricking wiener sucker, we are discussing which missile took it down. stop fricking begin so fricking obsessed with fricking pajeets and answer my question
4 months ago
Anonymous
So then what missile is it?
It clearly isn't fricking Aster 30 with a tiny 15kg warhead.
4 months ago
Anonymous
still ignoring my first statement, god you are such a massive gay
4 months ago
Anonymous
still not redeeming bloody bastard sir???
4 months ago
Anonymous
kys moron
4 months ago
Anonymous
What your bullshit claim that it CAN'T be PAC-2 because it NEEDS radar lock that it CAN'T POSSIBLY get from anywhere but it's own ground based radar and can't possibly be done in a way that would allow the Il-22 to know about it before it was too late.
TZD and kys your self.
4 months ago
Anonymous
lmao you have no argument why it is pac-2, except for "because i sed" when you get called out you call me zigger.
you should really have a nice day
4 months ago
Anonymous
Because of the distance, because we know they have patriot, because we can see from the pictures the blast radius is quite spread out, it looks far more like an 85kg fragmentation warhead than a 15kg fragmentation warhead which would be the next most likely missile, the Aster 30. But since, again, the fragmentation radius is quite large, I find it hard to believe a 15kg warhead could do that.
So again, if it's not PAC-2, what the frick is it you stupid Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>from the pictures
from pictures that are fake?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>they're fake even though I can't find a single instance of that image being posted before
i asked for a source 30 minutes ago and you still haven't posted one.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sm-3
4 months ago
Anonymous
>shill
still going from that angle like moron you are?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>if it's not PAC-2, what the frick is it you stupid Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck?
Not that Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck but I wish to believe that it was an AIM-120 from an F16.
Possibly the IL-22 was just flying in close formation to the A-50 and got peppered by the frag from the missile that took out the A-50.
It's true in my heart.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck
another moron lmao
4 months ago
Anonymous
You just need to know where their AWACS is and direct the missile into the nearby area THEN paint the actual target for the missile to hit once it is close enough for a good chance at a kill.
Easily done with a modern NATO AWACS, wouldn't even need to be the Australian E-7A.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Easily done with a modern NATO AWACS
you are fricking moronic if you think they are painting targets in azov sea all the way from black see
go back to NCD
4 months ago
Anonymous
>debunked
no it hasn't
4 months ago
Anonymous
photoshop
https://i.imgur.com/lKHEZoa.jpg
Place your bets. What do you think this aircraft got hit by?
original
https://i.imgur.com/MNnHm3s.jpg
Another photo. Turned out to be RF-95678.
why do you think they hid the numbers?
4 months ago
Anonymous
idgi
the one without the numbers is real?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>radar warning
These are literally radar and ELINT planes, the entire plane is a radar warning receiver >they flee
This plane can do absolutely nothing to evade a missile except dump chaff (if it has it) and fly away in a straight line at a low speed
>radar lock >radar warning
As i understand that's the difficulty with patriot. latest variants don't specifically illuminate target. The electronic array scans sky so fast and well it can track target and missile precisely enough that it can guide the missile directly to target. And the guidance is transmitted with the search pulses every time it scans across missile.
At best you can detect search radar (still difficult due to fast scan), but there's no lock to see. If you have active radar you an see the missile yourself when it gets close, but good luck outrunning 5+ mach.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>the guidance is transmitted with the search pulses every time it scans across missile.
Fricking hell I love democracy
What's more, the holes are on top of the fuselage and the bottom seems relatively undamaged. It looks like the missile detonated above and slightly to the left of the plane.
Point of order.
Those patches are not covering holes. They’re covering places where the paint started peeling because, IIRC, the type of paint traditionally used on airliners doesn’t adhere super well to the fancy new composites
>can't be THAT bad if they actually managed to land it
A lot of US aircraft losses during Vietnam landed back in an airbase/carrier. After landing they got written off. There's a huge difference between flyable and airworthy.
An earlier post in another thread specifically stated that both 200s (dead) and 300s (injured) were on the plane when it landed. Allegedly taken from a vatnik communication. Like tungsten rain, every one of those holes goes all the way through, no matter what meat was in between the sheets of metal.
So do we think this plane is out of action indefinitely, or will Russia try and speedfix it to say that they did?
Electronics are shrek'd, it's basically a rebuild from scratch with minimal (if any) salvage.
>These planes can't be rebuilt because they lost all knowhow on how to do it. It's SHIT and FINISHED.
By the Omnissiah, what do you mean the knowhow is lost?
How can we lost the Soviet STC? and what do you mean when someone shat into the box?
Stupid westoid
Crewmen that were injured are obviously the gnomes positioned in the tail responsible for the elevator and rudder movements via a handcrank
>Place your bets. What do you think this aircraft got hit by?
I've seen this before.
Some of you may not wish to hear this, but this is clearly the work of Star Streak. Most likely wielded by the SAS.
that clown was war thunder youtuber years ago and now hes "military expert" and turbo zigger after latvia kicked him out. copebomber is kinda based here
Oh shit that's Alconafter? I thought he was still in Latvian jail. Kinda weird that he ended that way given his obvious Naziboo tendencies back in WT days.
I'm dissapointed it made it back
Now they can use it for replacement parts for another airframes
And at least 1 dude survived so he will be able to fly again
Honestly it would probably take more time and cost more money to take it apart, refurbish the shit, and get it back into a functional airframe, than it would to just write it off right now and start building a whole new one.
>Honestly it would probably take more time and cost more money to take it apart, refurbish the shit, and get it back into a functional airframe
Slave's time has no value, while lostek is priceless.
bongs humiliated russia in the past.
also better to seethe at the lesser of the two anglopowers as the consequences of war with bongs is less moronic for them than with the USA
They blinded it and some fricking how got close enough to hit it with fricking manpads, while it was flying over the sea of Azov?
What in the actual frick?
What's even the purpose of bombing apartments, hospitals and kindergartens in Kyiv? Do they think Ukraine will magically surrender if they keep doing it or is it just puccians being subhuman garbage, wanting to inflict suffering on innocents?
I imagine they do it, because they think that what works on them will work on Ukraine, hence they'll spazz out and bomb Kyiv because they know that if someone did that to Moscow, the will to continue the war would be shaken.
To make Ukraine a failed state. At this point the Russian don't think they can capture Ukraine in the near future (in the next year or two) so they want to destroy Ukraine's economy and critical infrastructure. After a few years, the Russians hope they'll have the capacity back to take over Ukraine
Both. They're trying to crush Ukie civilian morale by inflicting suffering, ensuring constant fear, and destroying their standards of living. Thing is the Russians just flat don't have the capacity to do the damage necessary without nooking while Ukraine has solid AD in place. Instead of making Ukie civilians call for peace talks it's very likely just pissing most of them off even more. When this is over their hatred for Russia and it's people will burn brighter than the sun.
I'll never forget this one picture of a looted Ukrainian house that had been used as a den by some mobiks. Before they retreated, one of them scrawled on the wall "Who gave you permission to live this well?!"
>Do they think Ukraine will magically surrender if they keep doing it or is it just puccians being subhuman garbage, wanting to inflict suffering on innocents?
What makes you think these options are in any way mutually exclusive?
Putin is not the type burst out in anger phyisically like that. He's the type who'd sign an order that dooms million with blank expression and then chuckle to himself with some cheap joke like > let's see them go to space with trampoline
Which makes me think it's a lie.
Putin is as much of a crime boss as he is a dictator so if he needs to put on a homosexual show of the big macho motherfricker throwing a shitfit to make a point, he will. It's Tony Soprano and attacking people.
The irony is that Chinese news media was just bragging about this downed plane the day before it got shot down. Just like the expensive shitbox from last week that list all of about 8 hours in the battlefield before being tactically repositioned to the moon.
>asking for air support via a phone messenger
cracks me up every time
4 months ago
Anonymous
ukies happily use discord
4 months ago
Anonymous
Kinda cute, but what do they mean by this?
4 months ago
Anonymous
forgot pic
4 months ago
Anonymous
Splashing into the waves?
4 months ago
Anonymous
d‘oh, im tired
4 months ago
Anonymous
probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_Challenge
not familiar with the emoji but it might be related to the linked stuff that was huge in russian segment in 2016
we are talking about the military command post version Il-22 with irreplaceable electronics and a highly qualified crew
there had been many civilian Il-18, it was in production from 1957 until 1985, several 100 had been build but most should be out of service
converting one of these museum pieces in a military version would take years if it is possible at all.
Is clearly light damage from birdstrike above Black Sea. Nothing more.
And obviously aircraft is not important in removal of nazi ukraine forces.
Any suggestion otherwise work of anglo-saxon westernist pigs.
prolly not they'd need western jets for radar intergration. its not like anti radiation missiles that do there own thing or storm shadows which are preprogrammed before takeoff
The idea of running an airborne radar and control platform is that because you've got a big aircraft with several engines and the ability to generate a lot of electrical power, you can run a big powerful transmitter and lift a big heavy antenna that means you have a range advantage over fighter aircraft radars, as well as some other performance metrics. So you put the thing behind the front line, safe (lol) from enemy interference, and you use it to detect enemy aircraft, figure out where they're going, and you then control your own friendly aircraft to move them into a position to attack the enemy.
You know that most combat aircraft carry sensors to tell them they're being tracked by radar? One of the benefits to well-executed ground control or AEW control is that you can manoeuvre your friendly fighters into an advantageous position to attack enemy fighters while the enemy has no idea your fighters are there at all because they can only scan a narrow cone in front of the aircraft while you can scan 360°, so you can basically sneak the fighters up the ass of the enemy and only fire up their own radars when it's too late for the enemy to effectively respond.
A large airborne radar is also more likely to have a better detection range on small low flying contacts like cruise missiles.
In the west, AWACS and Wedgetails and E2s and other AEW&C aircraft have the radar detection and the command and control on board the same platform. I do not know if this is different in the Russian air force and if that is the role the Ilyushin was performing, or if it was conducting command and control of ground elements.
What the frick. Read the wiki page or something. They are insanely invaluable. Literally radar in the sky. You know bow good radar is? Now imagine a mobile one in the sky.
they're giant flying radar stations that, unlike ground stations, can see far beyond the horizon and reposition themselves
they do everything that radar does
they're arguably more valuable than ground radar
Russia began the war with only nine of them, all dating back to 1992 because they've tried (and failed) to build a replacement for the past 10 years. one was damaged in Belarus. one has now been shot down.
Yes? Something it was specifically designed to do at the advertised range, which is also probably ~5-10% shy of its actual maximum performance range in ideal conditions.
Yes, it was a long-range shot, but that doesn't make it somehow less plausible.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Please understand anon, for russians max range is the literal maximum distance their missiles can cover in perfect circumstances. They cannot fathom that america lists its maximum effective ranges instead (likely undercounted)
4 months ago
Anonymous
Depends on the missile. Russians like to use the plane max range plus the missile max range when it comes to A2A missiles.
>meaning no energy (ie no maneuverability) upon interception
which would explain how the IL-22 survived
but I also think the S-200 theory might also be true
I don't see that many holes on the bottom of the fuselage. Clearly not rocket damage possibly a bad case of mid-air hail with current weather everyone knows everything is possible.
Ukraine is playing with fire and are like children with firecrackers. They do not know the hammer that will be dropped on them. Make no mistake, Russia will stop pulling punches, and will unleash fury and hellfire on Ukraine.
What a tough fricking plane! How about that shit? Couldn't even bring down the plane with multiple hits! It made it back to headquarters under it's own fricking power!
Aircraft are soft and delicate but there's a fair bit of real estate frags can punch through without hitting anything vital to flight, and understressed big birds have more of it.
WWII 8th AF bomber damage survivors are interesting examples. Of course then there were so many aircraft the common choice was towing them off for cannibalization (which keeps every major air force running more effectively even in peace time) since many completely undamaged useful parts will remain. It's like taking them apart at AMARC then scrapping the hulk and the work is fun for techs because they get to do shit beyond normal parts swapping.
I hope the Russian pilots make a secret deal to land them in a Ukrainian airfield so they can be repurposed. I would hate to see them destroyed they are awesome planes
>Just one has a tail number shopped in.
tail number shopped out. since plane with that number wasn't nowhere near Crimea apparently. Also why do you think they photoshopped the number out? are you that dumb?
There is possibility that both planes were shot down by FrankenSAM - Patriot launcher + S-300 radar
There is already existing projects that integrate S-300 launcher + western radar AN/TPS-78 in Algeria, source https://defence--ua-com.translate.goog/army_and_war/s_300_mozhut_pratsjuvati_z_amerikanskimi_rls_antps_78_tak_vijshlo_navit_v_alzhiru-11611.html?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
So why not integrate western launcher + soviet radar?
Also it would explain why Patriot system was brought so close to contact line - because it's most expensive component AN/MPQ-53 radar - was replaced by CT-68 (NATO: Tin Shield, 5H59)
More info from t.me/vanguard_spacepro (Goole Translate):
Operation Frankenstein
Last night we witnessed an interesting precedent in this war. Ukrainian air defense units were able to shoot down and hit two rare and important aircraft of the Russian air defense system: DRLV A-50 and Il-22M11 (PKP)
What did the planes shoot down? Based on the fact that the distance to the A-50 drop zone from the front line is less than 100 km, the only weapon in the armed forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that can hit an aircraft-type target is the PAC-2 GEM-T/GEM-C anti-aircraft missile. And here comes an interesting detail:
the pilot of the Russian Su-34 (launching the Kh-59) during a conversation with the controller (https://t.me/monitorwarr/18003), reported that his plane came under the radiation of the "300-tka" radar (i.e. S -300), which was previously reported by the onboard SPO. After that, he performed an evasive maneuver from the anti-aircraft missile that was probably fired at him.
The X-59 launch itself took place over the same region of the Sea of Azov.
Today, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirmed the defeat of its aircraft by the "Patriot" complex.
Logical explanation: the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out an operation to attack these planes, knowing in advance all the details of the flight. To avoid the loss of the expensive AN/MPQ-53 radar, as part of the FrankenSAM program, it was replaced with a S-300 complex radar or another Ukrainian-made radar. This hypothesis also explains the fact that the Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system by the characteristic radiation of its radar. We have certain confirmations from sources
> Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system
it's not about russian ability to detect patriot radar - which they able to do
in context of original tg post it was about that there were no patriot radar in the area - only radar that was detected was "300" - radar from s-300
>retreated away
From what? They're 100km away from what they though are 75km Missiles. And even if doing 180 on detection your still trying to outrun Mach 5+ with 900km/h. At best they might do a steep dive and hope to hide behind horizon, but it might not be as easy with heavily outfitted air-liners.
>They're 100km away
they can pick up radar way farther away from that
That's not the point. They saw an s-300 complex painting them but weren't concerned because s-300 missiles wouldn't be able to touch them. Radar can see targets up to 200km away, depending, but the missiles that s-300s Ukraine has can only hit things 60km or less.
Except it wasn't an s-300 that was launched, but some PAC version. And it did go the distance.
>Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system by the characteristic radiation of its radar
even more moronic
Patriots PAC-2 is command guided (TVM). I'd assume aircraft in the region are constantly hit by air search radars so it's not a reason for concern in on itself. I'm not in on the specifics of a modern Patriot battery but if they can datalink target information from other sources they can command guide the missile close enough, then start blasting a pencil beam from the FCR to provide accuracy for the terminal engagement.
> newbie pretenind to be tripgay
both of planes have a radar detection, if they were pinged they would have retreated away.
are newbie really this moronic?
>retreated away
From what? They're 100km away from what they though are 75km Missiles. And even if doing 180 on detection your still trying to outrun Mach 5+ with 900km/h. At best they might do a steep dive and hope to hide behind horizon, but it might not be as easy with heavily outfitted air-liners.
moron they probably weren't sure if it was a friendly or hostile radar since both sides use that system until the lock warning started blaring and he started yanking it to evade.
More info from t.me/vanguard_spacepro (Goole Translate):
Operation Frankenstein
Last night we witnessed an interesting precedent in this war. Ukrainian air defense units were able to shoot down and hit two rare and important aircraft of the Russian air defense system: DRLV A-50 and Il-22M11 (PKP)
What did the planes shoot down? Based on the fact that the distance to the A-50 drop zone from the front line is less than 100 km, the only weapon in the armed forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that can hit an aircraft-type target is the PAC-2 GEM-T/GEM-C anti-aircraft missile. And here comes an interesting detail:
the pilot of the Russian Su-34 (launching the Kh-59) during a conversation with the controller (https://t.me/monitorwarr/18003), reported that his plane came under the radiation of the "300-tka" radar (i.e. S -300), which was previously reported by the onboard SPO. After that, he performed an evasive maneuver from the anti-aircraft missile that was probably fired at him.
The X-59 launch itself took place over the same region of the Sea of Azov.
Today, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirmed the defeat of its aircraft by the "Patriot" complex.
Logical explanation: the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out an operation to attack these planes, knowing in advance all the details of the flight. To avoid the loss of the expensive AN/MPQ-53 radar, as part of the FrankenSAM program, it was replaced with a S-300 complex radar or another Ukrainian-made radar. This hypothesis also explains the fact that the Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system by the characteristic radiation of its radar. We have certain confirmations from sources
>Patriot missile Guided by S-300 radar
Love the weird hybridization this war has brought on. East and West smashed together
Yes and no. The one WITH tail numbers is a real image, but it's probably not from the one that got shot over the Azov Sea. The Ukies claim they shot down RU-75106, not 95678.
https://i.imgur.com/YhZPq4H.jpg
>that picture was debunked on this very thread
No it wasn't
Motherfricker, it's the exact same image. Just one has a tail number shopped OUT.
(Earlier version claimed the tail number was shopped in. I apologize profusely and admit to my blindness.)
why shop out the blue stripe and add a spike on the wing?
you can literally see straight pattern of rivets in one fricking picture and not in another. there is no way you are that moronic.
look at straight lines around the photoshopped pic
ffs you newbies should leave already
I know somebody added the numbers, the original AFAIK had no serial
you however claimed that it's from an earlier 2022 IL-22
fricking source that or leave, loser
Only IL-22Ms are painted like that with the blue line all the way to the and of the fuselage. So it'll prove it's an IL-22M along with the serial No.
Russians have been trying to say it's another, less important kind of "Coot" variant because the antenna at the tip of the fin is missing
It is.
Both subsequent images are photoshopped.
Ziggers have photoshopped an incorrect serial in to cast doubt on Ukraine's claims
NAFO shills have photoshopped fighterbomber's watermark out to avoid giving ziggers more traffic
The fact NAFO shopped Fighterbomber's image and warped various details from the telegram source image is helping ziggers pass off their shoop as genuine.
Russian aircraft operating the war now have all their serials painted/taped over. That's what the weird black lines on the original tg image are: tape holding the mask used to hide the aircraft's serial and the VVS or BMO titles that are on the fin
They clearly just doubled up on that angled section then blurred the number out.
4 months ago
Anonymous
with the number clearly shopped in
why are you moron so desperate to claim the plane had the wrong number?
are you the moron who made this [...]
lol vatnik lies destroyed by using your eyes. Gets em every time.
4 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/hlqhYND.jpg
The blue underside missing is because Fighterbombers watermark was shopped out, there is a picture without numbers, a blue underside and no watermark.
The spike is a decent question, it doest however look off, and the small black protusion on the picture with numbers does not look out of place.
Further, the spike wouldn't have interfered with placing the numbers, so was uneccesary to shop out if the numbers on is the shoop.
But now: why would the plane have no tailnumber? The picture with the tailnumber has it in the exact right place as expected, per picrel.
Would you explain that by the vatnigs painting over tailnumbers for whatever reason? Makes no sense.
Yeah it becomes incredibly obvious they just shopped the section next to the BBC POCCИИ and then blurred the numbers
The numbers are 100% real and confirm it's an Il-22M.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The other thread the Vatnik linked to, where they're also sperging out, OP is implying that 95678 isn't the plane that was hit over Azov, but a different Il-22M hit by 2 Buks in 2022, which is why they are trying so hard to make it seem like the tail numbers are a lie. It's possible both planes were lost, but they can't just sweep the mayday over open comms under the rug, so they produced photos of an Il-22M that was damaged and made in back to base.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>so they produced photos of an Il-22M that was damaged and made in back to base
then why the frick can't someone find evidence of this picture existing before the last day or two?
4 months ago
Anonymous
the pic with the numbers has the same blur and heavy artifacts
the numbers look to have less artifacts than the rest of the picture
4 months ago
Anonymous
>that's not true >why would it have no tail number?
4 months ago
Anonymous
they also have the number on the blue stripe moron
4 months ago
Anonymous
lol it's very clearly real and the same plane, you can even see the И that got shopped out in the other versions without the numbers.
4 months ago
Anonymous
lmao picture with no number has shit ton of artifact where number should be
4 months ago
Anonymous
and the numbers have less artifacts than the rest of the picture
4 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/vJEgotk.png
Further, the shoop has this weird curvature where the 5 is supposed to be
lmao, give up
4 months ago
Anonymous
you literally replied to 2 posts that are on opposite side of the issue moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Further, the shoop has this weird curvature where the 5 is supposed to be
>are you the moron who made this
clearly he is
keeps yelling SHOP to pretend it's from 2022, shifts goalposts to an edit of fighterbomber's day-old image
That's not a spike on the elevator, that's the bottom of the rudder where it meets the vertical stabilizer. You can see that it lines up with the rest of the rudder actuators or hinges (not an aero-engineer nerd). Whoever edited it took the relatively clean section just above the joint to cover the tail number, which duplicated gap.
The blue underside missing is because Fighterbombers watermark was shopped out, there is a picture without numbers, a blue underside and no watermark.
The spike is a decent question, it doest however look off, and the small black protusion on the picture with numbers does not look out of place.
Further, the spike wouldn't have interfered with placing the numbers, so was uneccesary to shop out if the numbers on is the shoop.
But now: why would the plane have no tailnumber? The picture with the tailnumber has it in the exact right place as expected, per picrel.
Would you explain that by the vatnigs painting over tailnumbers for whatever reason? Makes no sense.
Patriot also has an longer range Anti air ballistic HARM mode that is passive sensor so there would be no warning.
You basically lob it in the general area where an awacs or jammer is transmitting and it will aim for it on its way back down.
Heres the deal homosexual.
Explain why there are so many inconsistensies with the picture with no tail number and then also explain why the Russians would remove the tail number from the plane at all while actively flying it.
>j-j-just trust me it was from 2022 okay!
lol no >no, it's not.
and you're going to grace us with the same lack of proof for this extraordinary statement, of course
You're the one who made the claim about muh opsec, so you better pull up the manual that states that >u-uh, nu-uh!
yeah, as expected
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You're the one who made the claim about muh opsec
USAF removes tail numbers
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/03/01/air-mobility-command-removes-tail-numbers-and-unit-info-planes-alarming-watchdogs.html
French Navy removes hull numbers
https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/february/12783-french-navy-is-erasing-pennant-numbers-on-its-lhds.html
you probably don't even know what the Z tac sign was originally for, and why it's necessary
don't ever post here again, you're unqualified to open your mouth
4 months ago
Anonymous
Competent militaries do that, we're talking about Russians here
4 months ago
Anonymous
>USAF removes tail numbers
Nope, only made them smaller and more subdued. >French Navy removes hull number
Is the IL-22M a ship now? I guess it might be close to a submarine, considering it's most likely sitting somewhere in the Azov sea... Interesting point.
>so many inconsistensies
explained by shopping out the watermark >why the Russians would remove the tail
some planes have it on the blue stripe not on the wing
The watermark wasn't going through the area the tail number is in the original, the watermark didn't cause the top of the backwards N or the bottom of the rudder to be duplicated.
so you moron admit you are trying to push the number is real without any proof
The picture with the number does not show the obvious signs of editing the one without it, both the watermarked and non watermarked versions, so it is 100% more real than that one. It could be a picture of the aircraft damaged in February of 2022 though, which would explain all of this damage control.
Who would benefit from having numbers added to the picture? How does it benefit Ukraine or Pro-Ukraine actors to add tail numbers to this picture that are different than the one they claimed to hit?
We're not gonna help FSB find the poor Tuvan conscript who leaked the photo. They can do their own jobs.
>so they produced photos of an Il-22M that was damaged and made in back to base
then why the frick can't someone find evidence of this picture existing before the last day or two?
You may be too young to understand this, but pictures can exist without being posted to social media.
FSB probably released both the shopped and the original one to create disinfo.
And it's working, just look at this thread and others.
Remember the Snake Island belt buckle. They had to reblur their propaganda because it disproved itself.
>we have source for picture with no number >no source for picture with number
We have a source for the picture that is photoshopped.
>Explain why there are so many inconsistensies
doesn't matter
you claimed it's a shop
post the original from which it was taken, or frick off
>explain why the Russians would remove the tail number from the plane at all while actively flying it
standard OPSEC, moron
The original picture is in this thread, multiple times.
I put the picture with numbers into fotoforensics.com, it has much less errors/artifacts than the fighterbomber one, implying it's really the original one.
Picrel is the only picture that exists so far without the fighterbomber watermark or the obviously removed watermark (missing blue underside)
And guess what? It has the tailnumbers.
Nobody can find the one without tailnumbers and without watermark and blue underside, and that's because it only existed on homosexualbombers PC before he watermarked his shodddy photoshop lmao.
How is nobody able to find the picture without tailnumbers and without homosexualbombers watermark as per
https://i.imgur.com/oeyPFED.png
Picrel is the only picture that exists so far without the fighterbomber watermark or the obviously removed watermark (missing blue underside)
And guess what? It has the tailnumbers.
Nobody can find the one without tailnumbers and without watermark and blue underside, and that's because it only existed on homosexualbombers PC before he watermarked his shodddy photoshop lmao.
?
Seems like tail numbers picture is the original considering it bears no watermark or other signs of altercations.
Would providing the source prove it's fake? No one needed to know the shooped pic wasfrom Fighterbomber to notice all the evidence of it being shooped. So where's the evidence that it's faked?
You know, this thread is the perfect illustration as to WHY everyone is completely moronic in making weapons' deliveries announcements. The worst being how it's like a dumb kids school playground ''See? I delivered that, aren't I awesome?''
No. You shut the frick up, you give cool toys to Ukies, and you let them take the ziggerd by surprise when they're their pants down (for Ivan to suck Dmitry's dick).
You just shut up. You keep the element of surprise and let the ziggers shit their pants not knowing what it was, where it was, and when it will happen again.
That's a Ukranian aircraft
😉
What's the tail number? Ukraine claims they specifically shot down RF-75106.
Another photo. Turned out to be RF-95678.
>RF-95678
Where is the bit on the top? Is that removable or something?
anon, it was hit with a fricking PAC-2, what do you think happened to it?
Probably just got blown off by the explosion
shrekt
It got blown off in the explosion.
It's 100% an IL-22M and not any other Coot variant since you can see the APU exhaust under the tailplane.
Il-18, Il-20 etc. do not have that
That's called the 'knot'
Curiously this seems to reveal that the tip of the tail came off completely if the before images are anything to go by.
don't know where you got this pic from, but that sadly appears to be a shoop
>it's a shoop
Or the OP is a shoop, given that most photos of VVS IL-22s show the tail number in that exact location. Which is more likely:
>Russia removed the tail numbers from their C&C planes, but someone had a picture of the text originally on this one from just the right angle to match this photo
>someone shooped the numbers off so they could claim it's Ukrainian lies!
Could be the A-50 had been flying on a predictable schedule, Ukraine pulled a patriot battery into position, fired, and GTFO because it was a worthwhile risk to kill an AWACS.
I guess it's like this
this picture is probably real because it has no watermark
op's got fricked up by removing the watermark
fighterbomber used the original to put his watermark on it, so this one is probably fake
the picture with the numbers has to be the real one because it doesn't have the watermark
to add, there is still no proof the picture is from 2022 or that the original didn't have the number shopped in.
What is the benefit to shoopingthe tail numbers in?
they want the claim it's a picture from 2022
>How is nobody able to find the picture without tailnumbers and without homosexualbombers watermark as per
because it could be his picture
>because it could be his picture
why does the one with tailnumbers have no watermark, he obviously wasn't the first to bring the picture, he was however the one who shooped it and spread it wide.
>why does the one with tailnumbers have no watermark, he obviously wasn't the first to bring the picture
then why is there no source?
also it's not hard to use AI to remove the watermark
>then why is there no source?
Why is there no source for an unwatermarked pic without tailnumbers
>also it's not hard to use AI to remove the watermark
then go ahead and do it with picrel, see how that turns out for ya
I'd rather someone try to figure out if the location can be determined by the markings on the fire truck. There's a different thread where anon speculates that this picture isn't taken at Anapa.
In a video about the airport, uploaded 9 years ago, Anapa had different firetrucks
not really a evidence, stations have different types of vehicles
Not claiming it to be 100% proof. It is a small airport firestation though. Build new in 2013. That would fit with the video and the trucks being new then. 4 doors, 3 trucks shown ad one command vehicle.
Station in June 2021
>Ukraine has knowledge of a Russian Il-22M damaged in 2022, including the tail number.
>Ukraine immaculately photoshops the tail number onto a picture of an Il-22M damaged in 2024 to make a Russian propagandist look bad, who releases an obvious photoshop of the same plane
What?
>RF-50601
>RF-75106
were the tail numbers posted posted around UKR telegrams, more specifically.
because confirmation on the IL-22 means the A-50 is 100% dead.
>always check your 6, Ivan
>friendly PVO
Kek the Russian text coming off the plane means shit!
These patches are so cringe. I don't know why you guys worship them.
not my problem
meat rockets about to rearrange Ivan's large intestine
what makes a man reply with a comment like this im just curious about the mindset
>What do you think this aircraft got hit by?
Not telling
>top dog
>is a pig
Having a giggle, mate?
>being new
it's ok mate, just try lurking more.
>lukr moar homosexual
FIFY
>What do you think this aircraft got hit by
S200. Literally the only thing with enough range to hit that IL and inaccurate enough to miss it (but with a warhead big enough to still seriously damage the plane)
It was hit 160km from Orkhiv. It was prettyclose to the shore
Could be true. Ukraine had a S-200 division all the way until 2013 so they might still have missile stocks. Also Poland and Bulgaria still operate it so they might've donated some missiles or parts for repair.
Wasn't the Il-22 hit next to Kerch bridge?
Ukraine already used S200 in ballistic mode too
its fluted for weight reduction absolutely normal
PAC-2
french-italins Mamba (SAMP/T) reason being Aster 30 have radar self guidance and can be launched and directed i sector where contact is expected and missile then locks it on and destroys it
Estimated range was ~140-160km, PAC-2 has an advertised range of 160km. Aster 30 is only 120km advertised.
>advertised
it can't be Patriot since it needs radar lock on
>Aster 30 is only 120km advertised
Aster 30 Block 1 NT: Above 150 km
>NT
was only contracted barely 12 months ago, and the French and Italian armies will get it first, NOT Ukraine
Eurosam unveils new SAMP/T air defense variant at Dubai Airshow
By Agnes Helou
Nov 16, 2021
wrong
wrong
that was for Block 1
this is for Block 1 NT
https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/january/12773-france-italy-buy-new-aster-30-b1-nt-surface-to-air-missiles.html
wiki uses THAT article for a source that aster30 has 150+ km range
so it wouldn't be the first time Wikipedia is wrong, or the last
the article you posted? it refers to Block 1NT, which is the one described with "range in excess of 150km"
MBDA itself only says that Aster 30 goes "in excess of" 130km
https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=26552
>MBDA updates marketing material to reflect latest variant
and this surprises you?
Aster 30 is only a 15kg warhead with a 2m fragmentation radius.
IDK about you, but the Il-22 that made it back looks like it was peppered by a much wider spread of fragmentation.
The PAC-2 uses an 85kg fragmentation warhead with a much larger frag radius, more like what we see in the picture with a very large spread of fragmentation spread across the fuselage and tail.
Can't patriot get a radar lock from a friendly AWACS in the area? We know Australia recently sent one of their E-7As there as well so a very modern AWACS would potentially be available for such tasks.
>radar lock
you are a newbie moron, these things have a radar warning, as soon as you they are locked they flee.
>but the Il-22 that made it back looks
that picture was debunked on this very thread
JC
>that picture was debunked on this very thread
No it wasn't
gonna ignore first part of statement?
also thread picture is from 2021
>also thread picture is from 2021
Then why can't you post that source from 2021?
Still ignoring first statement like Black person you are?
Still ignoring your downed AWACS and unrepairable SIGINT planes?
wtf? you moronic fricking wiener sucker, we are discussing which missile took it down. stop fricking begin so fricking obsessed with fricking pajeets and answer my question
So then what missile is it?
It clearly isn't fricking Aster 30 with a tiny 15kg warhead.
still ignoring my first statement, god you are such a massive gay
still not redeeming bloody bastard sir???
kys moron
What your bullshit claim that it CAN'T be PAC-2 because it NEEDS radar lock that it CAN'T POSSIBLY get from anywhere but it's own ground based radar and can't possibly be done in a way that would allow the Il-22 to know about it before it was too late.
TZD and kys your self.
lmao you have no argument why it is pac-2, except for "because i sed" when you get called out you call me zigger.
you should really have a nice day
Because of the distance, because we know they have patriot, because we can see from the pictures the blast radius is quite spread out, it looks far more like an 85kg fragmentation warhead than a 15kg fragmentation warhead which would be the next most likely missile, the Aster 30. But since, again, the fragmentation radius is quite large, I find it hard to believe a 15kg warhead could do that.
So again, if it's not PAC-2, what the frick is it you stupid Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck?
>from the pictures
from pictures that are fake?
>they're fake even though I can't find a single instance of that image being posted before
i asked for a source 30 minutes ago and you still haven't posted one.
Sm-3
>shill
still going from that angle like moron you are?
>if it's not PAC-2, what the frick is it you stupid Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck?
Not that Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck but I wish to believe that it was an AIM-120 from an F16.
Possibly the IL-22 was just flying in close formation to the A-50 and got peppered by the frag from the missile that took out the A-50.
It's true in my heart.
>Black personhomosexual shill of a cuck
another moron lmao
You just need to know where their AWACS is and direct the missile into the nearby area THEN paint the actual target for the missile to hit once it is close enough for a good chance at a kill.
Easily done with a modern NATO AWACS, wouldn't even need to be the Australian E-7A.
>Easily done with a modern NATO AWACS
you are fricking moronic if you think they are painting targets in azov sea all the way from black see
go back to NCD
>debunked
no it hasn't
photoshop
original
why do you think they hid the numbers?
idgi
the one without the numbers is real?
>radar warning
These are literally radar and ELINT planes, the entire plane is a radar warning receiver
>they flee
This plane can do absolutely nothing to evade a missile except dump chaff (if it has it) and fly away in a straight line at a low speed
>as soon as you they are locked they flee.
Big slow targets cannot flee quickly.
>radar lock
>radar warning
As i understand that's the difficulty with patriot. latest variants don't specifically illuminate target. The electronic array scans sky so fast and well it can track target and missile precisely enough that it can guide the missile directly to target. And the guidance is transmitted with the search pulses every time it scans across missile.
At best you can detect search radar (still difficult due to fast scan), but there's no lock to see. If you have active radar you an see the missile yourself when it gets close, but good luck outrunning 5+ mach.
>the guidance is transmitted with the search pulses every time it scans across missile.
Fricking hell I love democracy
>Posted only photo of the tail
>you can see the holess all the way to the left of the hull
Lmao, let me guess, the rest of the plane looks way more damaged than the tail?
What's more, the holes are on top of the fuselage and the bottom seems relatively undamaged. It looks like the missile detonated above and slightly to the left of the plane.
perfidious anglo PAC-2 aims for the wienerpit btw, the tail was as far as physically possible from the explosion
So do we think this plane is out of action indefinitely, or will Russia try and speedfix it to say that they did?
Looks pretty fricked up. And this is just the tail.
Never underestimate the power of speedtape.
Point of order.
Those patches are not covering holes. They’re covering places where the paint started peeling because, IIRC, the type of paint traditionally used on airliners doesn’t adhere super well to the fancy new composites
lol, should've added "in Russian hands"
>see vanya, hose out old crew, get new crew, tape cover hole, smekelka!!
that plane isn't flying again.
>Crew were supposedly injured during the attack, by Russia's own admission
>Only show damage on the tail
How bad is the rest of the plane?
the plane is most likely completely fricked and done for but it can't be THAT bad if they actually managed to land it
Not a zigger but you'd be surprised the damage a plane can take and still make a safe landing with
>can't be THAT bad if they actually managed to land it
A lot of US aircraft losses during Vietnam landed back in an airbase/carrier. After landing they got written off. There's a huge difference between flyable and airworthy.
Fighterbomber claims there are dead and injured among the crew, Ukrainian intelligence claims 2 deaths and two wounded
An earlier post in another thread specifically stated that both 200s (dead) and 300s (injured) were on the plane when it landed. Allegedly taken from a vatnik communication. Like tungsten rain, every one of those holes goes all the way through, no matter what meat was in between the sheets of metal.
Electronics are shrek'd, it's basically a rebuild from scratch with minimal (if any) salvage.
These planes can't be rebuilt because they lost all knowhow on how to do it. It's SHIT and FINISHED.
>These planes can't be rebuilt because they lost all knowhow on how to do it. It's SHIT and FINISHED.
By the Omnissiah, what do you mean the knowhow is lost?
How can we lost the Soviet STC? and what do you mean when someone shat into the box?
>It turns out 'scrapcode' was just Martian slang for pooping.
>Electronics are shrek'd, it's basically a rebuild from scratch with minimal (if any) salvage
They'd be better melting it into fluid and re-forging it anew
Stupid westoid
Crewmen that were injured are obviously the gnomes positioned in the tail responsible for the elevator and rudder movements via a handcrank
a smooth criminal?
>Place your bets. What do you think this aircraft got hit by?
I've seen this before.
Some of you may not wish to hear this, but this is clearly the work of Star Streak. Most likely wielded by the SAS.
amtimatter warriortard, shut up
stop being silly
*~~
Damn, they have a major reserve and a minor reserve?
that clown was war thunder youtuber years ago and now hes "military expert" and turbo zigger after latvia kicked him out. copebomber is kinda based here
He was always a zigger, simping for Russia and USSR, even though his dad worked hard to get him out that shithole lol
Oh shit that's Alconafter? I thought he was still in Latvian jail. Kinda weird that he ended that way given his obvious Naziboo tendencies back in WT days.
I see alkonafter is still as homosexual as he was when he was making war thunder vids
Question, what is the purple/pink stuff on these things? Translation quirk?
Nah, it's supernova being a gay and underlining shit he thinks is most important. It also fricks up image translates kinda.
a guy that posts original screenshots of tg channels underlines half of their text in screenshots
absolutely no idea why
well that planes out of commission.
what are the chances the plane looks like that?
My sides are in the Azov sea.
lost
Tails of planes are often the hardest to repair. Or in this case: replace
my money's on PAC-2 from Orikhiv
either standard model, or as this anon posted:
that's the IL-22 not the A-50
>What do you think this aircraft got hit by?
Russian anti air missile fired from russian territory by russians.
No way. Ukraine hit it.
I'm dissapointed it made it back
Now they can use it for replacement parts for another airframes
And at least 1 dude survived so he will be able to fly again
Honestly it would probably take more time and cost more money to take it apart, refurbish the shit, and get it back into a functional airframe, than it would to just write it off right now and start building a whole new one.
>Honestly it would probably take more time and cost more money to take it apart, refurbish the shit, and get it back into a functional airframe
Slave's time has no value, while lostek is priceless.
Serial numbers don't match. It didn't make it back.
A smooth criminal
>ANNIE R U OK
I assume Boris was involved somehow?
>command posts
>Crimea
>Kursk
>Belarus
>what is possible for Jerusalem is not possible for Moscow?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
Medvedevposting
Perfidious Albi*n strikes yet again!
>bong technology so advanced it can blind radar and fill your plane with holes
>w-we should attack them
what's worse, admitting that ukrainians can and do shoot down your planes or implying that you fly your AWACS in enemy manpads range?
Americans wish they as hated by the Russians as the Brits are.
At this point I honestly think they only blame the Brits so they can keep convincing the Indians to keep making posts online that Russia is winning.
Can somebody explain to me the hateboner Russians have for Brits in particular? It seems no matter the incident they will be mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
tl:dr Imperial russia got buckbroken and they never forgot.
Their London mansions got seized
James Bond defeated many Russian supervillains.
There’s a whole laundry list of reasons. One is that Britain has been a popular destination for many Russian expats, refugees, and asylum seekers.
The Boris
But how do you take out a armata when no western weapon so far has been able to lock on to it?
>no western weapon so far has been able to
The Boris has.
bongs actually achieved what russians dreamed about for centuries: they conqered all the shitholes the world has to offer
They are still eternally but mad over the Crimean war and the large "great game" geopolitical rivalry between them and the Bongs in the 1800s
bongs humiliated russia in the past.
also better to seethe at the lesser of the two anglopowers as the consequences of war with bongs is less moronic for them than with the USA
They blinded it and some fricking how got close enough to hit it with fricking manpads, while it was flying over the sea of Azov?
What in the actual frick?
Monke status : Chimping out.
The bear closes its maw on the throat of the trapped pig…
Giving his best Bruno Ganz impression, I'm sure.
What's even the purpose of bombing apartments, hospitals and kindergartens in Kyiv? Do they think Ukraine will magically surrender if they keep doing it or is it just puccians being subhuman garbage, wanting to inflict suffering on innocents?
I imagine they do it, because they think that what works on them will work on Ukraine, hence they'll spazz out and bomb Kyiv because they know that if someone did that to Moscow, the will to continue the war would be shaken.
To make Ukraine a failed state. At this point the Russian don't think they can capture Ukraine in the near future (in the next year or two) so they want to destroy Ukraine's economy and critical infrastructure. After a few years, the Russians hope they'll have the capacity back to take over Ukraine
Again why we need to reinforce Ukraine's critical civilian systems. Above all, its hospitals.
And also why we need to step up the war against Russia's ECONOMY. Make Russia fail first.
yes.
Both. They're trying to crush Ukie civilian morale by inflicting suffering, ensuring constant fear, and destroying their standards of living. Thing is the Russians just flat don't have the capacity to do the damage necessary without nooking while Ukraine has solid AD in place. Instead of making Ukie civilians call for peace talks it's very likely just pissing most of them off even more. When this is over their hatred for Russia and it's people will burn brighter than the sun.
I'll never forget this one picture of a looted Ukrainian house that had been used as a den by some mobiks. Before they retreated, one of them scrawled on the wall "Who gave you permission to live this well?!"
they can't accurately hit military targets so they just point in the general direction of a city.
>Do they think Ukraine will magically surrender if they keep doing it or is it just puccians being subhuman garbage, wanting to inflict suffering on innocents?
What makes you think these options are in any way mutually exclusive?
Why wouldn't they have already done that?
Eyebrow status?
Putin is not the type burst out in anger phyisically like that. He's the type who'd sign an order that dooms million with blank expression and then chuckle to himself with some cheap joke like
> let's see them go to space with trampoline
Which makes me think it's a lie.
Putin is as much of a crime boss as he is a dictator so if he needs to put on a homosexual show of the big macho motherfricker throwing a shitfit to make a point, he will. It's Tony Soprano and attacking people.
The chairs are broken. The monkey is shouting. The Shoigu is shivering.
The Plywood General is decomposing.
The Tuvan is degenerating.
SEND THE NEXT VDV WAVE OVER THE BLACK SEA
The irony is that Chinese news media was just bragging about this downed plane the day before it got shot down. Just like the expensive shitbox from last week that list all of about 8 hours in the battlefield before being tactically repositioned to the moon.
so this is a confirmed loss
Russia had 12 of these. One was shot down by Wager during this failed Prigozin uprising last year.
So they are down to 10.
>Russia had 12 of these
I thought they'd have more of these since it's just a civilian plane converted to a command post.
its special because of the add-ons, the plane itself is just a few million iirc.
>surely we can build a satphone, it's just like my iPhone converted to military use
>implying a Russian command post isn’t just a bunch of dudes sending telegrams from their Huaweis
>begins typing furious retort
>remembers the duct-taped Garmins in the bomber wienerpits
...point
it all starts making sense now....
>asking for air support via a phone messenger
cracks me up every time
ukies happily use discord
Kinda cute, but what do they mean by this?
forgot pic
Splashing into the waves?
d‘oh, im tired
probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_Challenge
not familiar with the emoji but it might be related to the linked stuff that was huge in russian segment in 2016
That is ver clearly not duct taped on. He is clearly using a clamp from the local elementary school workshop.
we are talking about the military command post version Il-22 with irreplaceable electronics and a highly qualified crew
there had been many civilian Il-18, it was in production from 1957 until 1985, several 100 had been build but most should be out of service
converting one of these museum pieces in a military version would take years if it is possible at all.
Is clearly light damage from birdstrike above Black Sea. Nothing more.
And obviously aircraft is not important in removal of nazi ukraine forces.
Any suggestion otherwise work of anglo-saxon westernist pigs.
Who has confirmed this damage except Ukraine?
good point. should've started by saying its untrue, enemy propaganda and it was undamaged. THEN said the damage was a birdstrike.
I'd make a shit russian, apparently.
Has Ukraine received any A2A missiles that can be fired by the soviet aircraft? Does anyone know?
prolly not they'd need western jets for radar intergration. its not like anti radiation missiles that do there own thing or storm shadows which are preprogrammed before takeoff
how important are these awacs planes anyway? I only have a vague understanding of their function.
The idea of running an airborne radar and control platform is that because you've got a big aircraft with several engines and the ability to generate a lot of electrical power, you can run a big powerful transmitter and lift a big heavy antenna that means you have a range advantage over fighter aircraft radars, as well as some other performance metrics. So you put the thing behind the front line, safe (lol) from enemy interference, and you use it to detect enemy aircraft, figure out where they're going, and you then control your own friendly aircraft to move them into a position to attack the enemy.
You know that most combat aircraft carry sensors to tell them they're being tracked by radar? One of the benefits to well-executed ground control or AEW control is that you can manoeuvre your friendly fighters into an advantageous position to attack enemy fighters while the enemy has no idea your fighters are there at all because they can only scan a narrow cone in front of the aircraft while you can scan 360°, so you can basically sneak the fighters up the ass of the enemy and only fire up their own radars when it's too late for the enemy to effectively respond.
A large airborne radar is also more likely to have a better detection range on small low flying contacts like cruise missiles.
In the west, AWACS and Wedgetails and E2s and other AEW&C aircraft have the radar detection and the command and control on board the same platform. I do not know if this is different in the Russian air force and if that is the role the Ilyushin was performing, or if it was conducting command and control of ground elements.
What the frick. Read the wiki page or something. They are insanely invaluable. Literally radar in the sky. You know bow good radar is? Now imagine a mobile one in the sky.
it's a flying radar, so pretty important for air defense
they're giant flying radar stations that, unlike ground stations, can see far beyond the horizon and reposition themselves
they do everything that radar does
they're arguably more valuable than ground radar
Russia began the war with only nine of them, all dating back to 1992 because they've tried (and failed) to build a replacement for the past 10 years. one was damaged in Belarus. one has now been shot down.
seven remain, with zero prospect of replacement.
Extremely important if they want to down Ukrainian jets, and they only have 3
Nah they have more than that, probably ~5-8.
How many of them can actually fly?
That's why I said ~5-8.
Hard to say how many can actually fly, or how many crews they have at the moment to fly them.
>all these morons claiming it was PAC-2
sure bud Ukraine is definitely keeping patriots 15km from the frontline
>dunning-kruger
fighterbomber has been moaning about mobile Patriots pulling the old shoot-and-scoot for a while now, smartass
that’s still be at the upper limit of its range
meaning no energy (ie no maneuverability) upon interception
It shot down the equivalent of a commercial airliner, not a highly maneuverable fighter.
it still had to reach and maintain altitude and keep track of the target
Yes? Something it was specifically designed to do at the advertised range, which is also probably ~5-10% shy of its actual maximum performance range in ideal conditions.
Yes, it was a long-range shot, but that doesn't make it somehow less plausible.
Please understand anon, for russians max range is the literal maximum distance their missiles can cover in perfect circumstances. They cannot fathom that america lists its maximum effective ranges instead (likely undercounted)
Depends on the missile. Russians like to use the plane max range plus the missile max range when it comes to A2A missiles.
> the Potemkin specification
yeah, one of them an airliner with a giant bloody radar dome on its back
it's no pulling any fricking high-gee jinks with that strapped on
>that’s still be at the upper limit of its range
that is unclassified
in NATO terms that means "we can reach further but we're not telling"
Gee Willickers Batman, maybe they could I dunno try attacking two slow, lumbering support aircraft with no maneuverability,
>that’s still be at the upper limit of its range
on paper
>meaning no energy (ie no maneuverability) upon interception
which would explain how the IL-22 survived
but I also think the S-200 theory might also be true
They literally did that last year for a shoot and scoot attack in May and dropped five aircraft
They supposedly just got some more Patriots recently and they're known to fire and GTFO.
Ukraine has already done it a handful of times already, I have to imagine it's rare though as they are quite expensive and rare.
I don't see that many holes on the bottom of the fuselage. Clearly not rocket damage possibly a bad case of mid-air hail with current weather everyone knows everything is possible.
Heres nose
nice try gay
I am sorry, my bad
I got rused
That's the 2014 MH17 shoot down.
No it's not. That's the prosecution's recreation of the George Zimmerman crime scene from his trial.
fym
https://news.sky.com/story/russia-lying-over-role-in-flight-mh17-being-shot-down-say-families-of-298-victims-at-murder-trial-12400615
Hm.
Ukraine is playing with fire and are like children with firecrackers. They do not know the hammer that will be dropped on them. Make no mistake, Russia will stop pulling punches, and will unleash fury and hellfire on Ukraine.
are the gloves coming off?
When will Ukraine bomb the Kremlin already?
Already happened.
it was inside job. During flash you can see reflection of a guy with professional camera.
What a tough fricking plane! How about that shit? Couldn't even bring down the plane with multiple hits! It made it back to headquarters under it's own fricking power!
Aircraft are soft and delicate but there's a fair bit of real estate frags can punch through without hitting anything vital to flight, and understressed big birds have more of it.
WWII 8th AF bomber damage survivors are interesting examples. Of course then there were so many aircraft the common choice was towing them off for cannibalization (which keeps every major air force running more effectively even in peace time) since many completely undamaged useful parts will remain. It's like taking them apart at AMARC then scrapping the hulk and the work is fun for techs because they get to do shit beyond normal parts swapping.
>tfw the Tu-160 will probably get droned in the next couple months at this pace
brace yourselves lads
I hope the Russian pilots make a secret deal to land them in a Ukrainian airfield so they can be repurposed. I would hate to see them destroyed they are awesome planes
Ukraine has a couple in museums, provided they weren't struck by Kalibers due to Ivan's map from 1987 listing it as a strategic bomber base.
Shouldn't it be possible to ID the missile based on the fragmentation pattern?
apparently its one of 2, the other got back as per op's picture
>What do you think this aircraft got hit by?
Twitchy and/or drunk russian air defense
>they're getting butthurt at people reacting to them
THERE IS NO PANIC
>if we pretend there is no problem at least we win propaganda war comrades!
>day 9001 of the invasion of mexico
>mexico is fricking up american awacs
>It's some other Il-22 that got shitfricked.
I haven't found any source for the allegedly "earlier" picture, however
How does that mean the image isn't real?
It just means they tried to cover the number when it was posted.
You are blind or sub 80 iq
the fake one is the one without the tail number, very sloppy shop
he called me a vatnik for saying it was Aester-30 not pac2. he is moronic newbie and has no idea how both systems work
>Just one has a tail number shopped in.
tail number shopped out. since plane with that number wasn't nowhere near Crimea apparently. Also why do you think they photoshopped the number out? are you that dumb?
There is possibility that both planes were shot down by FrankenSAM - Patriot launcher + S-300 radar
There is already existing projects that integrate S-300 launcher + western radar AN/TPS-78 in Algeria, source https://defence--ua-com.translate.goog/army_and_war/s_300_mozhut_pratsjuvati_z_amerikanskimi_rls_antps_78_tak_vijshlo_navit_v_alzhiru-11611.html?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
So why not integrate western launcher + soviet radar?
Also it would explain why Patriot system was brought so close to contact line - because it's most expensive component AN/MPQ-53 radar - was replaced by CT-68 (NATO: Tin Shield, 5H59)
More info from t.me/vanguard_spacepro (Goole Translate):
Operation Frankenstein
Last night we witnessed an interesting precedent in this war. Ukrainian air defense units were able to shoot down and hit two rare and important aircraft of the Russian air defense system: DRLV A-50 and Il-22M11 (PKP)
What did the planes shoot down? Based on the fact that the distance to the A-50 drop zone from the front line is less than 100 km, the only weapon in the armed forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that can hit an aircraft-type target is the PAC-2 GEM-T/GEM-C anti-aircraft missile. And here comes an interesting detail:
the pilot of the Russian Su-34 (launching the Kh-59) during a conversation with the controller (https://t.me/monitorwarr/18003), reported that his plane came under the radiation of the "300-tka" radar (i.e. S -300), which was previously reported by the onboard SPO. After that, he performed an evasive maneuver from the anti-aircraft missile that was probably fired at him.
The X-59 launch itself took place over the same region of the Sea of Azov.
Today, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirmed the defeat of its aircraft by the "Patriot" complex.
Logical explanation: the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out an operation to attack these planes, knowing in advance all the details of the flight. To avoid the loss of the expensive AN/MPQ-53 radar, as part of the FrankenSAM program, it was replaced with a S-300 complex radar or another Ukrainian-made radar. This hypothesis also explains the fact that the Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system by the characteristic radiation of its radar. We have certain confirmations from sources
>Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system by the characteristic radiation of its radar
even more moronic
> Russians could not detect the Patriot air defense system
it's not about russian ability to detect patriot radar - which they able to do
in context of original tg post it was about that there were no patriot radar in the area - only radar that was detected was "300" - radar from s-300
ohhhh
>They're 100km away
they can pick up radar way farther away from that
That's not the point. They saw an s-300 complex painting them but weren't concerned because s-300 missiles wouldn't be able to touch them. Radar can see targets up to 200km away, depending, but the missiles that s-300s Ukraine has can only hit things 60km or less.
Except it wasn't an s-300 that was launched, but some PAC version. And it did go the distance.
Patriots PAC-2 is command guided (TVM). I'd assume aircraft in the region are constantly hit by air search radars so it's not a reason for concern in on itself. I'm not in on the specifics of a modern Patriot battery but if they can datalink target information from other sources they can command guide the missile close enough, then start blasting a pencil beam from the FCR to provide accuracy for the terminal engagement.
replacing the radar with an S300 setup is brilliant.
> newbie pretenind to be tripgay
both of planes have a radar detection, if they were pinged they would have retreated away.
are newbie really this moronic?
>retreated away
From what? They're 100km away from what they though are 75km Missiles. And even if doing 180 on detection your still trying to outrun Mach 5+ with 900km/h. At best they might do a steep dive and hope to hide behind horizon, but it might not be as easy with heavily outfitted air-liners.
moron they probably weren't sure if it was a friendly or hostile radar since both sides use that system until the lock warning started blaring and he started yanking it to evade.
newbie
brain damage
https://icannwiki.org/.goog
That or its UAF that somehow slipped in and shot them down
>translate dot goog
phising Black person
>Patriot missile Guided by S-300 radar
Love the weird hybridization this war has brought on. East and West smashed together
(me)
Yes and no. The one WITH tail numbers is a real image, but it's probably not from the one that got shot over the Azov Sea. The Ukies claim they shot down RU-75106, not 95678.
Motherfricker, it's the exact same image. Just one has a tail number shopped OUT.
(Earlier version claimed the tail number was shopped in. I apologize profusely and admit to my blindness.)
frick off wanker, you proved how moronic you really are... just let it go and go back to ncd
>is a real image
this is I think the fifth or sixth time asked this thread
if you claim so, then WHERE THE FRICK IS THE EARLIER IMAGE?!
Why did they shoop the fin root as well?
>arguing about shops when the source of the original isn't given
you are moronic and blind for typing that out
>it's shopped okay!
>no I can't provide the original source!
>trust me bro it's shopped!
you can literally see straight pattern of rivets in one fricking picture and not in another. there is no way you are that moronic.
look at straight lines around the photoshopped pic
ffs you newbies should leave already
I know somebody added the numbers, the original AFAIK had no serial
you however claimed that it's from an earlier 2022 IL-22
fricking source that or leave, loser
You can't see shit on the (OP) picture because it was conpressed to hell to hide the monkey shoopjob
you are a moron
>didn't post a source either
brown
why shop out the blue stripe and add a spike on the wing?
fetal alcohol syndrome, please understand
Only IL-22Ms are painted like that with the blue line all the way to the and of the fuselage. So it'll prove it's an IL-22M along with the serial No.
Russians have been trying to say it's another, less important kind of "Coot" variant because the antenna at the tip of the fin is missing
It's just from where they shooped out fighterbomber's watermark
this picture actually looks like the real deal
It is.
Both subsequent images are photoshopped.
Ziggers have photoshopped an incorrect serial in to cast doubt on Ukraine's claims
NAFO shills have photoshopped fighterbomber's watermark out to avoid giving ziggers more traffic
The fact NAFO shopped Fighterbomber's image and warped various details from the telegram source image is helping ziggers pass off their shoop as genuine.
Russian aircraft operating the war now have all their serials painted/taped over. That's what the weird black lines on the original tg image are: tape holding the mask used to hide the aircraft's serial and the VVS or BMO titles that are on the fin
no, it's clearly this one
with the number clearly shopped in
why are you moron so desperate to claim the plane had the wrong number?
are you the moron who made this
Lol no
They clearly just doubled up on that angled section then blurred the number out.
lol vatnik lies destroyed by using your eyes. Gets em every time.
Yeah it becomes incredibly obvious they just shopped the section next to the BBC POCCИИ and then blurred the numbers
The numbers are 100% real and confirm it's an Il-22M.
The other thread the Vatnik linked to, where they're also sperging out, OP is implying that 95678 isn't the plane that was hit over Azov, but a different Il-22M hit by 2 Buks in 2022, which is why they are trying so hard to make it seem like the tail numbers are a lie. It's possible both planes were lost, but they can't just sweep the mayday over open comms under the rug, so they produced photos of an Il-22M that was damaged and made in back to base.
>so they produced photos of an Il-22M that was damaged and made in back to base
then why the frick can't someone find evidence of this picture existing before the last day or two?
the pic with the numbers has the same blur and heavy artifacts
the numbers look to have less artifacts than the rest of the picture
>that's not true
>why would it have no tail number?
they also have the number on the blue stripe moron
lol it's very clearly real and the same plane, you can even see the И that got shopped out in the other versions without the numbers.
lmao picture with no number has shit ton of artifact where number should be
and the numbers have less artifacts than the rest of the picture
lmao, give up
you literally replied to 2 posts that are on opposite side of the issue moron.
Further, the shoop has this weird curvature where the 5 is supposed to be
Just a pimple. It happens.
>are you the moron who made this
clearly he is
keeps yelling SHOP to pretend it's from 2022, shifts goalposts to an edit of fighterbomber's day-old image
>It's just from where they shooped out fighterbomber's watermark
That seems very plausible.
That's not a spike on the elevator, that's the bottom of the rudder where it meets the vertical stabilizer. You can see that it lines up with the rest of the rudder actuators or hinges (not an aero-engineer nerd). Whoever edited it took the relatively clean section just above the joint to cover the tail number, which duplicated gap.
The blue underside missing is because Fighterbombers watermark was shopped out, there is a picture without numbers, a blue underside and no watermark.
The spike is a decent question, it doest however look off, and the small black protusion on the picture with numbers does not look out of place.
Further, the spike wouldn't have interfered with placing the numbers, so was uneccesary to shop out if the numbers on is the shoop.
But now: why would the plane have no tailnumber? The picture with the tailnumber has it in the exact right place as expected, per picrel.
Would you explain that by the vatnigs painting over tailnumbers for whatever reason? Makes no sense.
What AA doing?
Patriot also has an longer range Anti air ballistic HARM mode that is passive sensor so there would be no warning.
You basically lob it in the general area where an awacs or jammer is transmitting and it will aim for it on its way back down.
Here's the deal morons.
Post the source of the picture with the numbers.
Heres the deal homosexual.
Explain why there are so many inconsistensies with the picture with no tail number and then also explain why the Russians would remove the tail number from the plane at all while actively flying it.
>Explain why there are so many inconsistensies
doesn't matter
you claimed it's a shop
post the original from which it was taken, or frick off
>explain why the Russians would remove the tail number from the plane at all while actively flying it
standard OPSEC, moron
>I can't explain the glaring faults in the shop so I'm just going to ignore them
kek
>standard OPSEC
no, it's not.
>j-j-just trust me it was from 2022 okay!
lol no
>no, it's not.
and you're going to grace us with the same lack of proof for this extraordinary statement, of course
You're the one who made the claim about muh opsec, so you better pull up the manual that states that
>u-uh, nu-uh!
yeah, as expected
>You're the one who made the claim about muh opsec
USAF removes tail numbers
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/03/01/air-mobility-command-removes-tail-numbers-and-unit-info-planes-alarming-watchdogs.html
French Navy removes hull numbers
https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/february/12783-french-navy-is-erasing-pennant-numbers-on-its-lhds.html
you probably don't even know what the Z tac sign was originally for, and why it's necessary
don't ever post here again, you're unqualified to open your mouth
Competent militaries do that, we're talking about Russians here
>USAF removes tail numbers
Nope, only made them smaller and more subdued.
>French Navy removes hull number
Is the IL-22M a ship now? I guess it might be close to a submarine, considering it's most likely sitting somewhere in the Azov sea... Interesting point.
>so many inconsistensies
explained by shopping out the watermark
>why the Russians would remove the tail
some planes have it on the blue stripe not on the wing
The watermark wasn't going through the area the tail number is in the original, the watermark didn't cause the top of the backwards N or the bottom of the rudder to be duplicated.
The picture with the number does not show the obvious signs of editing the one without it, both the watermarked and non watermarked versions, so it is 100% more real than that one. It could be a picture of the aircraft damaged in February of 2022 though, which would explain all of this damage control.
Who would benefit from having numbers added to the picture? How does it benefit Ukraine or Pro-Ukraine actors to add tail numbers to this picture that are different than the one they claimed to hit?
FSB probably released both the shopped and the original one to create disinfo.
And it's working, just look at this thread and others.
We're not gonna help FSB find the poor Tuvan conscript who leaked the photo. They can do their own jobs.
You may be too young to understand this, but pictures can exist without being posted to social media.
Remember the Snake Island belt buckle. They had to reblur their propaganda because it disproved itself.
We have a source for the picture that is photoshopped.
The original picture is in this thread, multiple times.
so you moron admit you are trying to push the number is real without any proof
>we have source for picture with no number
>no source for picture with number
I put the picture with numbers into fotoforensics.com, it has much less errors/artifacts than the fighterbomber one, implying it's really the original one.
Picrel is the only picture that exists so far without the fighterbomber watermark or the obviously removed watermark (missing blue underside)
And guess what? It has the tailnumbers.
Nobody can find the one without tailnumbers and without watermark and blue underside, and that's because it only existed on homosexualbombers PC before he watermarked his shodddy photoshop lmao.
How is nobody able to post the source of the picture with numbers?
How is nobody able to find the picture without tailnumbers and without homosexualbombers watermark as per
?
Seems like tail numbers picture is the original considering it bears no watermark or other signs of altercations.
Would providing the source prove it's fake? No one needed to know the shooped pic wasfrom Fighterbomber to notice all the evidence of it being shooped. So where's the evidence that it's faked?
Damn that thing got peppered good. Also looks like there was a reg
Yeah.. that thing is never flying again. kek
why not? cant they just fix the back
Well at least they were honest about blocking out the tail number this time
sure looks a lot like pic related...
and wait for it...
RF-95678 is one of the few that still has a red star instead of a Russian Federation flag.
You know, this thread is the perfect illustration as to WHY everyone is completely moronic in making weapons' deliveries announcements. The worst being how it's like a dumb kids school playground ''See? I delivered that, aren't I awesome?''
No. You shut the frick up, you give cool toys to Ukies, and you let them take the ziggerd by surprise when they're their pants down (for Ivan to suck Dmitry's dick).
You just shut up. You keep the element of surprise and let the ziggers shit their pants not knowing what it was, where it was, and when it will happen again.
Explosive shits from seaborne pajeeets. You can distinctly see corn-related structure damage.
mechanical malfunction.