>the idea of crew survivalibity confuses and enrages the vatnik
>he reacts with 10 new mine posts and 3 leopard ones
>the idea of crew survivalibity confuses and enrages the vatnik
>the idea of crew survivalibity confuses and enrages the vatnik
>he reacts with 10 new mine posts and 3 leopard ones
If you dont photo the corpses you dont have to talk about loses, vatniks btfo
>the crews survived
>meanwhile russian tanks
>meanwhile russian tanks
You beat me too it. The Russian tank takes a savage beating.
>bodies outside of vehicles
>totally died in vehicles
Shut the fuck up already you piece of moron gay with your garden gnome flag. We are sick and tired of your retarded war and your shilling for wunderwaffen even when it's broken and abandoned in the middle of the field
>but it still works
>but they died outside not inside
Do you even realize how much of a desperate garden gnome do you sound? Completely out of touch. I wish at some point in time we can trace the users who are shilling this retarded bullshit and torture them till they beg us to kill them and livestream it on twitch
You should have seen PrepHoleope pretending tanks were like ERA for the crew and you are supposed to lose them
They really think the crew is going to pop out of their destroyed tank blasting shots like in their FPS vidya?
I mean, we made sure four poorly armed dudes where alive when they reached the minefield
Yay!
Now what?
Are they gonna run through it and charge the enemy?
Run all the away back to HQ and try again with another tank?
Hide in the disabled vehicle and hope the enemy thinks they are dead?
Crew survivability is good, but it is far from game-changing and does not stop an assault from failing
Anyway if you believe this is what tanks are for you might as well go with an APC; at least you can bring more dudes to the minefield at once lol
Hmmm, you have a point, those hohols are outside their $6000000000 MIC wonderwaffen were disabled by a single mine. Assuming there were no bodies inside and none were moved.
I bet this crew was glad they were protected by the "made for people" magic vehicle?
https://files.catbox.moe/41r7ud.MP4
>bodies outside of vehicles
>totally died in vehicles
Do you have any reasoning ability? The bradleys track has been blown off. Clearly it hit a mine and the crew made a run for it and got instagibbed by the minefield. If they didnt run, and stayed inside, the Russians would just have called for airstrike on the disabled bradley.
There is no such thing as invincible armor against a competent opponent.
>Survive initial hit
>You are now a sitting duck
>Try to run for your life, get vaporized by minefield
So you mean survivability in western vehicles overrated and a dismounted crew is extremely vulnerable?
*is overrated
back to pleddit, or at least lurk for 1-2 years before posting anything.
moron.
you aint here for more than a year fag
Kek reddit is full of west cock suckers. Insert Putler, sieg hei.. i mean slava Ukranini and Kiyiyiv.
Wars are won by logistics, no crew survivality.
It's nice to have. But it's even nicer to have a shitload of cheaper, lighter vehicles that work and kill.
Fucking retard. You sub 70 iq drooling ape. Armored crews take significant amount of time and money to train. The experience they get cannot be simulated and that knowledge is hard won. Making sure thise crews survive another day IS logistics. You coping fucking third world ork.
>Armored crews take significant amount of time and money to train
And that's why it doesn't win wars you insignificant mutt femboy.
Not only you spend more resources, more man hours to make. You also have to invest more into training it's crew.
Guess what? If there is a real war (not a party in the middle east) YOU DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME AND RESOURCES.
>You coping fucking third world ork.
My country operates the leopard 2A6E.
My country SENT the leopard 2
My country TRAINED the leopard 2 ukro crews
They are being sent to DIE, because it requires 6 months and they could only train for 6 weeks.
Americans don't know anything about wars, you lose at every opportunity you have. But first you make sure to only invade third world countries and destroy as much shit possible. Anything else, you go for proxy wars.
gay country, I bet you can't even look yourself in the mirror without feeling ashamed.
And on top of that, talking about crew survival in the era of unmanned vehicles is the ultimate retard take.
It's the ultimate fantasy, where your tank will ricochet the enemy's projectiles and then fire back and blow it up as if it was some kind of ww2 duel between a tiger and some american trash like the sherman.
>They are being sent to DIE, because it requires 6 months and they could only train for 6 weeks.
It requires 6 months if you have no experience. Do you know for a fact that the tankers sent to be trained were not experienced on one of the soviet era rust buckets?
>Do you know for a fact that the tankers sent to be trained were not experienced on one of the soviet era rust buckets?
given the performance of the ukie NATO slaves, its a fair assumption they had no experience or they had experience but are incurably retarded
>one of the soviet era rust buckets?
Most of the tanks they got are much older than the stuff they had.
Watching their performances its clear they have never even seen a fucking tank.
If I’m remembering correctly the ones in the offensive brigades for Ukraine are all fresh highly motivated volunteers with no experience since GAYTO didn’t want any shitty commie ideas in their battle plans lol
>survivability don't matter because logistics wins wars
>Mattel 16 was designed to wound because logistics win wars
>helmets? That don't matter you'll survive but with brain damage which means you're s drag on resources. No one should wear body armor, it's a drain on logistics
>don't need to give every soldier a gun, either. The first soldier carries the rifle...
i'm sure there's a middle ground between survivability and cost effectiveness. russia is probably a lot closer to that middle ground than NATO is
lmao this summerfag thinks his dad will be medivacced when he's shot down over Ukraine during ww3
when we enter total war, you'll be joining the hohol meat waves, getting turned into zelensky burgers for freedom and democracy
our leaders will be more than happy to send you on a suicide mission in a brand new nato tank so they won't have to pay dull VA benefits when you come home without legs
>vpn posting with the meme flag
wow youre a gay
no they really just stuff dudes in those metal cans and then give them orders, it takes 6 months at most to put a man through basic and then teach him how to drive and operate the vehicle. the crews that survive playing the darwin olympics are promoted to doing patrols and security but otherwise its a cycle of meat grinding.
anyone thats "good" at tank theory gets made into an officer and they sit in a command vehicle way back in the line, theyre not the dudes you see in the propaganda
>spanish flag
You don't know shit about winning wars against the U.S. or our proxies.
Mutts btfo
Mutts seething tears of salt
>Armored crews take significant amount of time and money to train
Which one? Loader? Boom, replaced with autoloader. Commander? Boom replaced with datalink and map management. Driver? Not really. Gunner? Again, not really, there are vids of 9 year old boys doing it.
You make artisinal cottage industry expensive vehicles which requires a lot of trained man-power to operate, so losing one with the crew is a disaster. Russians make mass produced cheap vehicles that are easy to operate, largely automated, so losing one is not a disaster. And your artisans cut corners and lie about performance.
Best example is submarines.
Larger Russian submarines require less crew to operate than smaller Americans submarines, fue to automation. And can also go faster and dive deeper, for a period of tine they could outrun and outdive American torpedoes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasen-class_submarine
> driving a glorified tractor is hard
maybe for the chud military
I hope this is trolling
> tanks can't do conventional attacks without infantry support, and infantry does not survive on the field without air support, so HATO can only fight towelheads, that have no couple of dozen million USD budget for S400s and hypersonics
ftfy
The Bradley's need the era kits.
>Metal death trap saving lives
The delusion of these guys
>we have saved sooo many lives with our armor that we are now sending teen girls and old row ties to the front line now since the tanks are so safe
>missing whole units of men and don’t know where they are? Must of forgot to call in they were sick and couldn’t show up, they weren’t vaporized by a hypersonic missile. Did I mention we have sick leopard tanks that shot laser beams like ironman
>armor is great, it allows us to drive into the middle of a minefield to deploy our men
Shill
Great addition to the discussion, how’s the coup going? They made it to Moscow yet?
garden gnome. You're not fooling anyone.
He doesn’t have to respond to you. Really pathetic. Please go back to your containment general chuggie, while the adults talk
>He doesn’t have to respond to you. Really pathetic. Please go back to your containment general chuggie, while the adults talk
Didn't your country literally loose a war against Emus? Literally lost a war to birds?
*lost not loose
I'm a retard
asio is really scraping the bottom of the barrel with these spooks
>moron
>conscript people who don't want to die in your war
>they are all "MIA" once you give them a vehicle
wait
Leopard 2s have ammo in the hull and blow up like most tanks.
Bradleys are weak as fuck.
this lol
no tank is designed to get hit you guys do realize that?
>This post brought to you by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann And Nexter Systems holding company
I don't really care one way or another I just want NATO to lose
I don't even really like Russia, the only thing cool about them is that they were first to space, otherwise it's just some cold place with drunk people
What happened now that the nafo shills are so desperately trying to distract from?
>crew survability
>under artillery fire
yeah you nafo cucks still died in afghanistan
>survived 4 ATGMs and one direct hit from the enemy tank
>Source: my ass
Explain me like I'm 5 and also a retarded beaner:
What's the point of sending wave after wave of expensive military hardware to be destroyed by cheap mines or helicopters from really fucking far away just to get the crew stranded in the middle of a mine field and then send IFV to pick them up just to be destroyed by the same mines and helicopters?
>What's the point of sending wave after wave of expensive military hardware to be destroyed by cheap mines or helicopters from really fucking far away just to get the crew stranded in the middle of a mine field and then send IFV to pick them up just to be destroyed by the same mines and helicopters?
winning. you seen baby yoda posting? hes with ukrainians now
>Explain me like I'm 5 and also a retarded beaner:
>What's the point of sending wave after wave of expensive military hardware to be destroyed by cheap mines or helicopters from really fucking far away just to get the crew stranded in the middle of a mine field and then send IFV to pick them up just to be destroyed by the same mines and helicopters?
u/k/ikes have to have RESULTS by the ~~*nato summitt*~~ in 2-weeks
or else....
i think its gunna be not good
and poland is gunna be the next batter up
Rollin for polen
>poland is gunna be the next batter up
rolling for nukes
Also note there is little to no footage of those vehicles moving or fighting
It is not like say Yugoslavia where a bomber got shot down but the bombing campaign was generally sucessful; they got basically 0 kills and multiple losses
have a nice day nafochud
Go back leftoid
The people they were trying to sell to don't care about their conscripts dying.
This attempt to salvage their failed marketing campaign with a lie makes no sense either way.
>xoxol morons dying
not really my problem
>the idea of building a civilized country confuses and enrages the ukropig
>Russians won't even be able to detect these modern NATO warmachines
>Russian weapons will not even damage them
>Russian weapons cannot penetrate the fighting compartment and can only disable them
>Russian weapons can potentially necessitate an orderly evacuation from the fighting compartment without medical incident
>There were a few injuries but everyone still in fighting condition
>Maybe there were some casualties but everyone survived
(you are here)
>If someone died, their body is still entirely intact for a proper burial
>We managed to use DNA analysis to return the remains of crewmen to their families
>The completely carbonized remains of the crew were inconsistent with successful identification
canadian bringing the bantz lol
it's funny how you went "nato wunderwaffe will absolutely steamroll russia" to "at least we survived"
>"at least we survived"
Jk lol, not really
>CreW surVIVabiliTY iS ImPORtaNt
>also, we need to send 5 Bradleys into a minefield to save a Leopard!
Yeah, that's great, until your commander tosses in a grenade when you complain about the technical difficulties
>none of the vehicles mentioned are pictured
>Muh crew
>MBTs are actually disposable shields for four dudes
Is this all you guys have now?
What happened to the game changing wunderwaffe obliterating T-90s?
Sure it is good to at least save the crew but you should not be losing the tank in the first place
these stupid posts are always so bad
i mean really
i know the "online front" is all you guys really have so it's weird you wouldn't spend more than 10 seconds coming up with content to post. instead it's just this pathetic dumb shit every day, day after day. no wonder you guys are losing so hard let's be honest
Not that I think some oneliners about anecdotal incidents, spread on twitter, constitute a serious analysis of the issue, however the M2A2 ODS weighs 27000kg and carries 6 passengers, so you'd imagine it would give better protection than a standard BMP-2 that weighs 14300kg and carries 7 passengers. Which is better depends on whether you think the amphibious capability and the reduced logistical strain of a lighter vehicle is worth the tradeoff of less armor.