>the HMS Victory would be no match against the German High Seas Fleet
who needed to know this?
>the HMS Victory would be no match against the German High Seas Fleet
>the HMS Victory would be no match against the German High Seas Fleet
who needed to know this?
The difference is that the HMS Victory was still commissioned in WW1 while the Montana class was never built.
It's clearly of national interest. They said so right there.
truly quality journalism right here
> Next on The National Interest: Wrigths‘ gliders are no match for the Chinese Air Force
>too small to be targeted by missile
>too slow to be gunned down by a jet
Checkmate Chang.
SIMPSONS DID IT! SIMPSONS DID IT!
>chinks think it'll be a naval war
don't rook up!
>Montana-class
No duh, they were never built, so they never got the modernization that the Iowas did.
>implying that even the modernised Iowas have any place in a contemporary war
Depends who your fighting.
I think there are more countries that would have their flagship beaten by Iowa than those that would win.
They worked in Iraq because by that point the threat of being sunk was nonexistent. But they're nothing more than outdated gun batteries with a few CIWS and VLRS cells taped on. They aren't worth the expense of ever bringing back into service when the conflict they were built to fight no longer exists.
The need for ship-mounted artillery that doesn't cost a whole second ship to fire exists, especially with the Marines ditching most of their combined arms under the expectation the Navy will fill in for them in the Asian island-hopping front, but the Zumwalt has been a stark failure.
Crew costs are a huge part of the cost of running a ship,
Iowa: 151 officers, 2,637 enlisted (WWII)
Ticonderoga: 30 officers and 300 enlisted
So unless it's in an active shooting match it's costing almost 9x in crew costs, which is 24/7
Even if you could reduce that down with modern techniques, it is still a massive ship and a floating disaster.
Mount HIMARS on a barge and tow it into range.
There, I saved you $4 billion in construction costs and $300 million a year in personnel costs.
It worked for Snake Island with Ukrainian Uragans.
They have an enormous, entirely manual operated steam plant that IIRC requires 50 guys to just run.
A modernized Iowa would be more than enough to render the chinks' shitty 70s-era destroyers into scrap.
Missouri was flinging cruise missiles and providing artillery barrage in the Gulf War.
Look at Ukraine, and describe me a contemporary war.
They would do fine hunting Chinese poaching fleets
>4x CIWS
>Additional anti missile counter measures
>Tomahawk cells
>Harpoon cells
>Expectation of crew to fire stingers off the deck if needed
>Anti torpedo counter measures
>Still have most of the old guns
>Uav and helo launch ability
Not only would they work but I desperately want to see it, shit that's better. Hell look at some of what the ruskies have been using in Ukraine, the closest thing they have to CIWS systems is having some guys shoot PKMs off the side. The upgraded iowas are a night and day improvement over that
>Additional anti missile counter measures
It had none and needed other ships to intercept for it during Desert Storm
>Anti torpedo counter measures
None other than some spaced armor along the belt.
>A roman bireme would be no match against the Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad
Now imagine if Pravda were to make this exact same piece on how T-55 is no match to modern NATO tanks.
That one GI Joe episode showed the Constitution could beat the Montana. So can could Old Ironsides beat the Chinese Navy?
Absolutely. Have you seen the actual build quality of Chinese ships? The ocean is going to beat the Chinese navy
Why did the Montana become the subject or so much clickbait recently? I've seen at least five articles suggested to me in the past month about it.
She’s about to be released as a character in kancolle or azur lane
Why can you bastards not supply a link in the OP anymore you lazy shits?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/montana-class-battleships-would-be-no-match-against-chinas-military-209963
This is just some AI garbage
You're probably right:
User - Write me a news article in the style of the websites "nationalinterest.org" and "realcleardefence.com" as to why the Sherman M4 tank from WW2 is no longer suitable for use on a modern battlefield. Keep the article under 1800 words, dramatic but concise.
ChatGPT - Title: The Fall of the Sherman M4: Obsolescence in Modern Warfare
The Sherman M4, a legend of World War II, stands as a symbol of American valor and industrial prowess. However, on the unforgiving stage of the modern battlefield, its legacy is overshadowed by its glaring inadequacies.
Armor and Firepower: Once formidable, the Sherman's armor and firepower now falter against modern threats. Advanced anti-tank weaponry, including shaped charge warheads and kinetic penetrators, render its thin armor useless. Meanwhile, adversaries field tanks armed with cannons far more potent than the Sherman's, leaving it outgunned and outmatched.
Mobility and Electronics: In an era of lightning-fast warfare and network-centric operations, the Sherman's sluggish mobility and lack of advanced electronics spell doom. Modern tanks boast superior speed, agility, and a suite of sensors for enhanced situational awareness and precision targeting.
Logistics and Sustainability: Beyond its battlefield deficiencies, the Sherman poses logistical nightmares. Spare parts are scarce, maintenance demands are high, and the burden of keeping them operational in prolonged conflicts is prohibitive.
Conclusion: While the Sherman M4 holds a hallowed place in history, its relevance in modern warfare has faded to obscurity. Outpaced, outgunned, and outclassed by contemporary armored behemoths, the Sherman's days on the battlefield are but a distant memory.
Eamon Dillsbury
Senior Defense Analyst
National Strategic Review Institute
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Who knew it was so easy to be a wanky military blog journo? Just slap on some stock photo and you're done.
a 105mm super Sherman with ERA/cope cage is comparable to the T-55 obr.2023 that Russia is fielding
Pic related is an Iowa class not a Montana.
Once railguns become feasible gigantic battleships will rule the seas again as it should be.
Why?
Fancier cannons won't solve the problems that make battleships shit now.
>Why?
Battleships are cool.
Coolness is not a function of firepower.
>Coolness is not a function of firepower.
It absolutely is.
It is however not the goal.
OHP is cool and just as effective, while being less expensive.
>just as effective
just as effective as what? Battleships?
What if battleships are the only class large enough to mount shield generators?
then you use the type of large vessels that made Battleships obsolete?
the problem is that carriers devote most of their space to storing aircraft. and lets say the shields need railguns or something to penetrate, not just missile spam.
>carriers devote most of their space to storing aircraft
and Battleships devote most of their space to storing munitions
>lets say the shields need railguns or something to penetrate
Well yeah, if you restrict the scenario to "only weapons that are best used on Battleships are allowed" then of course Battleships come out on top.
>BBs are undoubtedly the biggest platform for dedicated AA systems that aren't just your fighters swatting at each other
And why risk letting enemy aircraft coming into aerial defense range when you can use your fighters to kill them at a distance? and if you fill your Battleship with enough AA to defend itself, you're going to eat up space for main weapons.
Lets not forget that there should also be other ships around that can fulfill AA functions.
Yeah, let the Aegis platform boats handle aerial threats.
>but muh imaginary goyslop
"Shields" like in star wars have no basis in reality. Any sort of electromagnetic emission capable of stopping a kinetic impact will be incompatible with the fragile organic crew aboard the ship trying to use it.
Use a medium that can absorb the impact when charged with electrical current or some such thing.
You can stand next to powerlines, moron.
If your predictions for the future aren't full of sci-fi ideas then they're horseshit
as opposed to battleships, which are known to consist mostly of open space in order to promote proper feng shui
Would that really still hold true today? BBs are undoubtedly the biggest platform for dedicated AA systems that aren't just your fighters swatting at each other, and dedicating most of their deckspace to modern anti-aircraft weapons would make them better at swatting down J-15s by the squadron than destroyer-scaled hulls.
*particle beam cannon
*molecular disruptor wave projectors
>TNI
>The US Navy will never pull the Iowa's out of Mothball Museums to shoot chinamen on the Korean Peninsula again
ITS JOVER
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So
They lost another il 76
There is a massive rebel legion in Russia driving towards Moscow
3 Russian oil refineries were destroyed last night. Towers melted down
That's why all the slide threads
Russia down 40-45% oil refining now. The 4th, 7th largest refineries went down last night. The 2, 3rd, 6th and 9th were taken down last month
>ships that were never built 85 years ago would lose to ships built today
Implessive.
Yes, a 2,700 lb. projectile from 16" gun could not possibly pierce chinesium.
China can’t even get its people to stop eating cats. the frick makes you think they can win a war?
their economy is falling apart and they are incapable of innovation.
I await the day the chinese nation is razed in nuclear hellfire as it deserves for being such a blight upon this earth.
You talking about India?
I mean it's worse. As far as I know not a single Montana class battleship even had a keel put down. HMS Victory was at one point a functioning warship.
Is this what they mean by "yellow journalism"?
CARLOS I WILL SKIN YOU ALIVE
You know, the biggest reason the Iowas were kept around was how fast they were.
Even a modernized Montana would still be pretty slow.
The main reason the Iowas were recommissioned and modernized is because of the Soviet Kirov-class.
It was just a dick measuring contest about who had the biggest non-carrier warship.
Imagine if the Iowas got another retrofit for GWOT.
>Remove 2nd fore 16 inch turret for a VLS bay
>More CWIS
>More sensors
>Add AWS systems
Mah diiiiiiick