The Germans were very well known for using vast quantities of captured tanks and other AFV's, particularly french and russian vehicles, in their ...

The Germans were very well known for using vast quantities of captured tanks and other AFV's, particularly french and russian vehicles, in their own militaries. Any other first world armies that have been known to do this in anywhere near comparable numbers? Even the obsolete shit the germans used would be refurbished and refitted either as assault guns or recovery vehicles or even as the base of new german tanks entirely.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >particularly french and russian vehicles
    >french
    No, french vehicles were mostly useless as AFV. Most of them were turned into 2nd rate casemates and tractors. French arty was more useful, aero engines were even worse than french tanks (the GR 14M was the best but too unrealiable).

    Czech vehicles were far more relevant. And they also reused/rebuilt a lot of soviet armor and factories, also arty. Converted or not

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No, french vehicles were mostly useless as AFV
      Somua S35 were reasonably capable and served with German forces in Finland and Normandy into 1944.

      Even Renault R 35 and Renault R 40 light tanks fought in Normandy and Paris in 1944.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Even Renault R 35 and Renault R 40 l
        Germany had such need for AFV that they used a lot of light tanks (even the FT 17) for patrols and against the resistance. If you compare the Czech tank industry with France tank service the difference is noticeable.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >any other first world armies
    no, and WWII germany wasn't a first world army, it was a dysfunctional mess run by morons and their cronies. These conversions were done out of desperation, nobody else did it because it's a foolish thing to have to do.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They basically had a bunch of modern (for the time) tech that just dropped in their lap, what would you have done with this stuff? Nowadays at least most armies know enough to destroy their shit they leave behind but ig back in 1940 this was too revolutionary to try

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A less dysfunctional state would dump most of that equipment on their allies and tributaries because they could make enough of their own weapons, which would streamline their production and logistics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >yeah just make more stuff with facilities and raw materials you don’t have
          Why didn’t they think of this I wonder

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes anon, they were in a desperate situation because they were stupid and dysfunctional

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a state like the ones in my vidya would...
          please stop talking

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You heroes were "surprised" by thousands of T-34 and it took them two years to find a "solution" to them. Which immediately failed en masse.
            To get beaten by fricking gommies (which killed half of their army themselves) is the lowest of the low.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, they were defeated by the Anglo military, industrial and economic aid to Rusia and numerous campaigns against key resources within the German zone. Communists? All their trucks were American and Canadian. The fuel? American. The train engines? American. Even the egg powder the army ate was American. The commies like to claim credit but really the Anglos exploited the asiatic horde's tolerance for mass losses, a feature which is Notable still today.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much all wrong
                Trucks were built in russia
                Trains were pre-war russian stock
                Fuel was russian except for one specific type
                The british did relatively little overall

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >American this American that
                >tHe BriTiSh wAaAaaAA
                Obsessed

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all this cope
                repeating your propaganda doesn't make it true
                also
                >were built
                seems like you slipped a little there

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why the Germans had chosen an alliance with the Soviets then.
                >oh no no, it's unfair, you should break your alliance since we destroyed ours!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                same reason they allied with romania
                what's your point

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are complaining that the Soviets had better allies than you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here however the numbers, Zhukov, and Khrushchev disagree with neosoviet revisionism from communism enthusiasts. War could and would have been won with a worse tank than T-34 but not with worse logistics.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >your heroes
              A very strange extrapolation from me shitting on your logistic sense.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They overcame the T-34 with no issue, simply by improvising a bit. The soviets also lost more T-34s than the total amount of tanks the Germans lost.
              Basically, the soviets were slaughtered by the Germans in basically every battle, but were able so sustain the enormous losses, thanks to western supplies, western bombing, Germans being distracted elsewhere, and the soviets being willing to decimate their own population, which they never recovered from.
              Ëven towards the end, when the Germans had nothing left, the soviets still took absurdly disproportionate losses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and the soviets being willing to decimate their own population
                Next time procure some ammunition when conquering the world. Your opponent winning by his suicide doesn't make you look better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A less dysfunctional state would dump most of that equipment on their allies and tributaries because they could make enough of their own weapons, which would streamline their production and logistics.

      yes anon, they were in a desperate situation because they were stupid and dysfunctional

      based drooling moronposter

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WWII germany wasn't a first world army, it was a dysfunctional mess run by morons and their cronies.
      What does that say about the rest of the world who collectively got their asses kicked for 5 years before they managed to even try to fight back.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rest of the world
        >the rest of the world is 2 countries that didn't fight back at all, a handful of poor european countries who got suckerpunched, the french who shat the bed, and the russians who had just gotten done murdering basically their entire government

        I don't think I've ever seen the "It took like 4 of you to beat me!" poster in the wild

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What does that say about the rest of the world
        The "rest of the world" being Europe. America didn't even step in until 1942 and the war was over in 3 years.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the only allied nation germany actually beat 1-on-1 was france
          against britian, they were essentially at a strategic stalemate due to the channel preventing any crossings
          but relatively equal engagements in north africa, where britian was capable of repelling german advances by themselves, show that germany was far from being able to beat britian

          if they couldnt even beat the brits, they definitely couldnt beat either the US or the USSR alone
          all 3 at once just ensured the war was over sooner instead of later

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >germany actually beat 1-on-1
            moron the BEF was there too

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              and were a minority of forces in france

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Even with the BEF, Germany alone outnumbered the Allied troops in France and also had much more front-line aircraft. The German army also had priceless live-fire combat experience, whereas a large portion of France's army was reservists only very recently called up. They were fine as fortress troops, but as reserves in the Sedan they broke and opened the door for Rommel, even though France's best absolutely pummeled Germany's best at Gembloux.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Its the BEFs fault the French command in charge of the Defence of France used messenger pigeons and messengers instead of radios

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A less dysfunctional state would dump most of that equipment on their allies and tributaries because they could make enough of their own weapons, which would streamline their production and logistics.

      >just do nothing with the arsenals of entire nations bro

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Any other first world armies that have been known to do this in anywhere near comparable numbers?
    Israel is the only example I can think of, they have a few stuff in their museums that they captured and used, iirc. There simply haven’t been that many wars since WW2 where one side is desperate enough to press captured AFVs into service.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Germans couldn't even build enough trucks which is why they rolled into the Soviet Union with so many ones captured from the Polish, French, or anyone else. So of course they'd do the same with AFVs when it was feasible. But it usually isn't feasible for very long because you run out of spare parts. The same thing eventually happened with all of these different captured trucks they couldn't support. So more and more you had Panzer Divisions and other high value units just sitting around waiting for fuel.
    If any of the German high command looked at the sheer geographic scale of the Soviet Union and were rightfully concerned they weren't listened to.
    As is the German habit they will inevitably get themselves into a hopeless strategic situation surrounded by enemies and then claim some conspiracy against them when they wonder why as to why all of this happened.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      90% of Russia is uninhabited and useless. You need to capture 3 cities.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Love em

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      which vehicle is this? I must be moronic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Filename

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ah cheers, I recognize it now. I've always known it as the T20, with that pak i couldn't tell

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kino

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Israel

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Certainly not first world at the time, but Communist China won their civil war largely with the arms captured from the Japanese in Manchuria that were given to them by the USSR, including some armored vehicles and artillery pieces. Much of that material was then passed on to North Korea.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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