Interesting. Especially when you consider that Iranians don't believe in jinn but in devils. It's a nice fake story, but I don't see how it involves weapons.
Iranian Devils are distinct from Arab jinn, moron. Just like English devils are distinct from Scandinavian devils. have a nice day before you make such a moronic post next time.
>Just like English devils are distinct from Scandinavian devils
Swede here, first time I've heard of this. A "devil" is just satan basically, there's not really a distinct "scandinavian devil", it's just stock christianity. In old norse mythology I can't recall there being any "devil" either, I mean there's "black elves" and "ice giants" who are evil I guess, but I don't think "malevolent creature/spirit" should equate to "devil".
Iranian Devils are distinct from Arab jinn, moron. Just like English devils are distinct from Scandinavian devils. have a nice day before you make such a moronic post next time.
the nephilim are from the badly reviewed 1st edition of the old testament when all near eastern gods, demi-gods and mythical heroes like Zeus or Gilgamesh existed as nephilim but they aren't God with a capital G aka Monolatry. Also when they die they go to Sheol (hades for israelites with foreskin) not heaven or hell.
This is why the revised edition with the monolatry removed doesn't make sense at times like god hardening the pharaohs heart and turning Aaron's staff into a snek as a prank bro when in the original version it would have been the Egyptian gods doing it.
I meant why the Egyptian priests were able to turn their staffs also into snakes too then have all the snake staffs have a pokemon battle where Aaron's snake wins.
The Nephilim are the result of the sons of Seth (those obedient to God, aka. "sons of God") taking the daughters of Cain (the "daughters of men") for wives. Humans were closer to Eden, chronologically, genetically, and so purer. Their children were especially tall, beautiful, strong, etc. That's the Orthodox consensus on the Nephilim.
Like most orthodox church fathers the source biblically is that they made it up. It also makes no sense why would the cursed descendants of Cain by generically pure? Are we going by VtM logic where Cain was cursed by being turned into a vampire super saiyan?
what the old testament actual says is that the nephilim are the sons of the gods (plural) and legendary warriors from before the flood who lie in sheol. The dead sea scroll version of the old testament also says that The Most High (God) divided the land based on the number of sons of the gods with Yahweh's portion being Israel. Turbo blasphemy but its clear that was what judeism was supposed to be about before several rewrites.
>why would the cursed descendants of Cain by generically pure
Their curse was some sort of mark to their lineage. Adam and Eve, being the first two people, would've had no genetic abnormalities/mutations. Their children would've been pure, with mutations gradually entering human genetics through inbreeding, the ravages of time, and increasing seperation from God through the course of Genesis.
Also, give me actual indisputable sources for what you're saying. The other "gods" are demons assuming false identities to decieve man, or otherwise mighty men of old who were, via the telephone game and influence of demons, gradually assumed to have been gods.
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You’re arguing theology and he’s arguing historiography. I’m sorry but if you think demons are confusing people into taking Gilgamesh at face value then you’re just as goofy as the Iranian sorcerer having psychic battles with CIA djinn
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Gilgamesh was a king, did great and terrible things, story got told and retold with increasing lavishness.
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>Also, give me actual indisputable sources for what you're saying.
wtf would even remotely count as an indisputable source in the early textually different version of the bible? It's not like I have the Council of Rome on speed dial to settle 1700 years Christians arguing about bible versions. the original monolatry in the old testament was yeeted out long before the new testament was written.
The only parts of what I said that aren't in the same in most English bible translations is Elohim being translated as plural (which it is) and Deuronomy 32:8 from the dead sea scrolls (4QD) saying that Elyon divided sons of men as nations/races between different sons of the gods with Yahweh (implied to be a son of the gods) inheriting Jacob and his descendants.
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>source: trust me, bro
Every time I hear gnostics claim that the Bible was secretly rewritten by the Church, and I ask them for any actual proof, the only answer I get is "dude, trust me."
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I'm not a gnostic and I didn't say "the church(which church exactly?)" secretly wrote the bible you schizo I just said that the early bible had loads textual differences (not to mention that widely different biblical canons between modern churches). Am I supposed to post every single textual between the MT hebrew, LXX greek and dead sea scrolls?
I literally pointed a massively blasphemous textual difference in the oldest extant old testament in my post. This goes back to what that frick could ever be called an indisputable source either historically or theologically about bibles written before the Council of Rome?
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How old is this "oldest OT," what is its provenance, which israeli community wrote it, etc. Judaism has been heavily decentralized since the Babylonian Exile, and there were all sorts of heretical groups that even Caiaphas would've called out.
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>How old is this "oldest OT,"
between 225 BCE to 50 CE.
>which israelites wrote it
its disputed exactly but some kind of Qumani israelites or possibly early Christians.
>Judaism has been heavily decentralized since the Babylonian Exile, and there were all sorts of heretical groups that even Caiaphas would've called out.
am I having a fricking stroke 1 post ago you were annoyed I wasn't treating the bible as inviolable. Feel free to solve theology by working out which version of the old testament is the correct one everyone should be translating from. You could do the same for the massive number of early NTs too.
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The Septuagint. It was the first to be translated into Greek, the first to be used by the Church, the basis for the Biblical Canon established at Nicea.
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>gnostics
Schizo detected
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One simple demonstration of the differences in translation is the differences between the Ethiopian church’s bible and the Catholic canon
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The Coptic Church is a tad heterodox, not recognizing the 3rd Ecumenical Council. You'll find differences between Orthodox and Catholic Bibles, though. We use the Septuagint, the original Greek translation of the OT. Catholics use the Masoretic OT, a post-classical/early-medieval retranslation by the israelites who had to relearn Hebrew by backtracking from Aramaic (and a few prophecy translations were slightly tweaked to not point so blatantly at a certain carpenter).
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There are notable translation changes made as recently as the king James edition. How do you think Yeshua became Joshua on one hand and Jesus on the other? Never mind the moronic shit Muslims do to Jesus name
Actually the Muslims and Hindus have the right of it, translating should be considered removing the divine truth from a text
The "hardening of the Pharaohs heart" isn't a strange phrase when you actually understand the views on Human psychology at the time it was written. God is the Prime Mover, so of course He would be the one doing things that cannot be otherwise explained. Volcano erupts? God did it. Had a really weird dream? God did it. Boss changed his mind suddenly? God did it. It's just the Prime Mover. Outdated concept, but it isn't especially odd. It's why in Prince of Egypt, they didn't need to do anything to rewrite Ramses character except place it in the context of modern psychological beliefs.
Date A Live is one of the few harem animes which has managed to reach its finale.
Incidentally or not the series relies heavily on Kabbalah for its worldbuilding, did the team behind it used israelite Magic to make it last this long?
How strong would these israelite Magic girls will do against persian sorcerers?
ok hear me out but what if its all an elaborate song and dance about iran using nukes? >djinn/djinni is basically genie >term 'genie in a bottle' used to describe unleashing something which will have drastic consequences
maybe OP is warning us tbh
Uh oh someone rang the Djinner bell
If djinn are real this will be very embarrassing for the US.
Only if the CIA trusted their djinn operatives, which no sane mortal ever should.
Interesting. Especially when you consider that Iranians don't believe in jinn but in devils. It's a nice fake story, but I don't see how it involves weapons.
It's a wiki article about Islamic magic/occult. Those sources are checkable.
Cool but how is this related to weapons?
>Protip: it's not
Djinn are devils moron. Read any basic history
Iranian Devils are distinct from Arab jinn, moron. Just like English devils are distinct from Scandinavian devils. have a nice day before you make such a moronic post next time.
>Just like English devils are distinct from Scandinavian devils
Swede here, first time I've heard of this. A "devil" is just satan basically, there's not really a distinct "scandinavian devil", it's just stock christianity. In old norse mythology I can't recall there being any "devil" either, I mean there's "black elves" and "ice giants" who are evil I guess, but I don't think "malevolent creature/spirit" should equate to "devil".
"devils" are distinct from "The Devil" they're more like malicious spirits or demons.
The Iranian concept of djinns is they are primarily neutral spirits and not purely evil or demonic.
divs are not djinn
my Black person in Ali persian has a word for Jinn (jen) and for sorcerer (Jaadugar)
Rural Iranian yokels (the regimes most loyal supporters) are very superstitious.
also I searched for stuff about jinns in farsi on YT and it came up with 20 different iranian Jaystations talking about it.
If you don’t believe in jinn you aren’t a Muslim, they’re in the Quran and not buried like the goofy shit in the old testy like nephilim
Nephilim are normal human beings, just from an era with purer genetics.
They are explicitly not. Are you thinking of the 900 year old gays mentioned in the same passages?
No, I am thinking of the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis, then referenced by comparing Goliath to them.
the nephilim are from the badly reviewed 1st edition of the old testament when all near eastern gods, demi-gods and mythical heroes like Zeus or Gilgamesh existed as nephilim but they aren't God with a capital G aka Monolatry. Also when they die they go to Sheol (hades for israelites with foreskin) not heaven or hell.
This is why the revised edition with the monolatry removed doesn't make sense at times like god hardening the pharaohs heart and turning Aaron's staff into a snek as a prank bro when in the original version it would have been the Egyptian gods doing it.
>turning Aaron's staff into a snek
I meant why the Egyptian priests were able to turn their staffs also into snakes too then have all the snake staffs have a pokemon battle where Aaron's snake wins.
There's an old Egyptian street magic trick that involves hypnotizing a snake to be stiff like a branch or staff.
The Nephilim are the result of the sons of Seth (those obedient to God, aka. "sons of God") taking the daughters of Cain (the "daughters of men") for wives. Humans were closer to Eden, chronologically, genetically, and so purer. Their children were especially tall, beautiful, strong, etc. That's the Orthodox consensus on the Nephilim.
>That's the Orthodox consensus on the Nephilim.
Like most orthodox church fathers the source biblically is that they made it up. It also makes no sense why would the cursed descendants of Cain by generically pure? Are we going by VtM logic where Cain was cursed by being turned into a vampire super saiyan?
what the old testament actual says is that the nephilim are the sons of the gods (plural) and legendary warriors from before the flood who lie in sheol. The dead sea scroll version of the old testament also says that The Most High (God) divided the land based on the number of sons of the gods with Yahweh's portion being Israel. Turbo blasphemy but its clear that was what judeism was supposed to be about before several rewrites.
>why would the cursed descendants of Cain by generically pure
Their curse was some sort of mark to their lineage. Adam and Eve, being the first two people, would've had no genetic abnormalities/mutations. Their children would've been pure, with mutations gradually entering human genetics through inbreeding, the ravages of time, and increasing seperation from God through the course of Genesis.
Also, give me actual indisputable sources for what you're saying. The other "gods" are demons assuming false identities to decieve man, or otherwise mighty men of old who were, via the telephone game and influence of demons, gradually assumed to have been gods.
You’re arguing theology and he’s arguing historiography. I’m sorry but if you think demons are confusing people into taking Gilgamesh at face value then you’re just as goofy as the Iranian sorcerer having psychic battles with CIA djinn
Gilgamesh was a king, did great and terrible things, story got told and retold with increasing lavishness.
>Also, give me actual indisputable sources for what you're saying.
wtf would even remotely count as an indisputable source in the early textually different version of the bible? It's not like I have the Council of Rome on speed dial to settle 1700 years Christians arguing about bible versions. the original monolatry in the old testament was yeeted out long before the new testament was written.
The only parts of what I said that aren't in the same in most English bible translations is Elohim being translated as plural (which it is) and Deuronomy 32:8 from the dead sea scrolls (4QD) saying that Elyon divided sons of men as nations/races between different sons of the gods with Yahweh (implied to be a son of the gods) inheriting Jacob and his descendants.
>source: trust me, bro
Every time I hear gnostics claim that the Bible was secretly rewritten by the Church, and I ask them for any actual proof, the only answer I get is "dude, trust me."
I'm not a gnostic and I didn't say "the church(which church exactly?)" secretly wrote the bible you schizo I just said that the early bible had loads textual differences (not to mention that widely different biblical canons between modern churches). Am I supposed to post every single textual between the MT hebrew, LXX greek and dead sea scrolls?
I literally pointed a massively blasphemous textual difference in the oldest extant old testament in my post. This goes back to what that frick could ever be called an indisputable source either historically or theologically about bibles written before the Council of Rome?
How old is this "oldest OT," what is its provenance, which israeli community wrote it, etc. Judaism has been heavily decentralized since the Babylonian Exile, and there were all sorts of heretical groups that even Caiaphas would've called out.
>How old is this "oldest OT,"
between 225 BCE to 50 CE.
>which israelites wrote it
its disputed exactly but some kind of Qumani israelites or possibly early Christians.
>Judaism has been heavily decentralized since the Babylonian Exile, and there were all sorts of heretical groups that even Caiaphas would've called out.
am I having a fricking stroke 1 post ago you were annoyed I wasn't treating the bible as inviolable. Feel free to solve theology by working out which version of the old testament is the correct one everyone should be translating from. You could do the same for the massive number of early NTs too.
The Septuagint. It was the first to be translated into Greek, the first to be used by the Church, the basis for the Biblical Canon established at Nicea.
>gnostics
Schizo detected
One simple demonstration of the differences in translation is the differences between the Ethiopian church’s bible and the Catholic canon
The Coptic Church is a tad heterodox, not recognizing the 3rd Ecumenical Council. You'll find differences between Orthodox and Catholic Bibles, though. We use the Septuagint, the original Greek translation of the OT. Catholics use the Masoretic OT, a post-classical/early-medieval retranslation by the israelites who had to relearn Hebrew by backtracking from Aramaic (and a few prophecy translations were slightly tweaked to not point so blatantly at a certain carpenter).
There are notable translation changes made as recently as the king James edition. How do you think Yeshua became Joshua on one hand and Jesus on the other? Never mind the moronic shit Muslims do to Jesus name
Actually the Muslims and Hindus have the right of it, translating should be considered removing the divine truth from a text
The "hardening of the Pharaohs heart" isn't a strange phrase when you actually understand the views on Human psychology at the time it was written. God is the Prime Mover, so of course He would be the one doing things that cannot be otherwise explained. Volcano erupts? God did it. Had a really weird dream? God did it. Boss changed his mind suddenly? God did it. It's just the Prime Mover. Outdated concept, but it isn't especially odd. It's why in Prince of Egypt, they didn't need to do anything to rewrite Ramses character except place it in the context of modern psychological beliefs.
That would be apostasy, my brother in Isa ibn Maryam
Djinns have free will like humans. Angels and demons do not.
Angels and demons have free will, moron. Lucifer saying he will not serve was a choice he made.
Lemme rephrase: God did not grant angels the right to exercise free will.
I like to imagine that it was actually Robin Williams. Some Persian voodoo muzzie paid Robin Williams to infiltrate Mossad.
>Djinn
they could call the next one: DNIGG for the lulz.
Truly the most powerful weapon of them all.
Should've used the Djinn in a pigeon bomb. They might've actually hit something for once.
Pic of the Djinn
My dick just saluted the American Flag of the church across the street
Ik u guys might call me a schizo but jinns exist
If jinns aren't real, then why does my dog bark when there's nothing outside? Checkmate, infidels.
There's a memri for everything.
I bring to you the real reason he consorts with jinn
We know Iran is basically muslim /x/ so are you sure it's not just:
>how 2 summn succubus?
>U of M
The what?
i believe it
what's this from?
Wikisneedia about islam occult.
Guys I don't know if you have noticed but...
Date A Live is one of the few harem animes which has managed to reach its finale.
Incidentally or not the series relies heavily on Kabbalah for its worldbuilding, did the team behind it used israelite Magic to make it last this long?
How strong would these israelite Magic girls will do against persian sorcerers?
The "American Djinn" is an elusive operative, but Iranian intelligence managed to capture this image of the agent in question.
Biggest weakness is getting cuck'd.
Does he have enough Djinn to summon Daedalus, because then the West is really fricked.
ok hear me out but what if its all an elaborate song and dance about iran using nukes?
>djinn/djinni is basically genie
>term 'genie in a bottle' used to describe unleashing something which will have drastic consequences
maybe OP is warning us tbh
>djinn US spy gf
I'd frick one