>The design of war has changed
I expressed my vision of important changes in the approach to warfare.
I am convinced that in order to defeat the enemy, we must be more mobile in tactics and means. We must use our unique experience in warfare and look for new capabilities and ways to gain an advantage.
In this context, technology has an undeniable advantage over tradition. They allow us to increase the number of non-contact combat operations and, as a result, reduce the level of losses.
I am confident that the future belongs to the latest technologies that will enable the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct effective operations. This is what we at the General Staff have been working on for a long time to radically change strategic approaches, the very philosophy of training and military and political decision-making.
In this article, I also outlined the main tasks for 2024 for the Ukrainian Defense Forces.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/01/opinions/ukraine-army-chief-war-strategy-russia-valerii-zaluzhnyi/index.html
was he fired?
They aborted the plan after it got leaked and both of his potential replacements declined anyway. But yeah it almost happened and it would have been a terrible decision
He was about to be but then Zelenskyy realized firing Zaluzhny would break the "Hitler & Himmler" thing they got going on. And as a comedian he can't destroy anything that funny.
He should run for President, and coke enjoyer Zelensky isn't clean. Refusal to cooperate on the Burisma et. al. pay for play with Russian & Chinese companies didn't save him in the end by either side.
As a test bed for infantry drones and trench/structure clearing that is likely a surefire way to guarantee Western financial support at least; the shift will build up their industry and tech at the same time.
Fake news, mostly. Internal pushback on the suicidal committing to all in to Melitopol is good for appearances, and can just as well be kayfabe for foreign consumption to assuage both sides of the argument; sclerotic Western political/military bureaucracies like to save face too.
you cannot run for president when there are no elections
Melatonin status?
up the ass
Citation needed
Why do you even reply to shitty bait? Stop giving the morons the attention they crave.
Vatniks spread their shit by flinging it far and wide. People read it in passing and don't realise its shit, they thrive on apathy and 2 seconds to question their bullshit is nothing to me.
That isn't how PrepHole works or should work. Bad posts should be outted. The boards with the most on-topic board culture reply to shitposts by dogpiling them. Letting shitposts just get spammed is what destroys board culture and off topic posting.
Based and upvoted fellow PrepHoleler. Usernames and forced trips/IDs when amirite?
Forced IDs would unironically remove 90% of this board's moronic problems
fun fact, the people who post bait replies like that bump threads like this through people calling them moronic.
so the idiots don't realize that by trying shill, they make their opposition more visible.
Frick of piggy
>says this
>continues to use 70s era Soviet tactics even down to the squad level but now with independent mavic and fpv drones
I don't understand this. I keep seeing interview after interview with western instructors and generals that go to advise and they all talk about how out of the major training centers and officers schools, only Yavoriv is encouraging initiative and western style doctrine.
Institutional inertia is a hell of an obstacle.
Soviet doctrine is a helluva drug
No amount of seething will bring back the ship.
Why would he fire zaluzhnyi? And why would they care if it was leaked ahead of time? It doesn’t really make sense.
Because last years offensive failed and heads must roll. Ukraine is running out of men and material so things need to happen.
>inb4 vatnik!!! Reee!!
It’s what the guy himself writes in the article.
I know Russian and have decent knowledge of Ukrainian so I read some stuff online.
According to what I read, he's getting fired because (a) the counteroffensive failed, (b) he has amazing approval ratings, on par or overtaking (depending on the pollster) Zelensky himself and (c) Zelensky is emotional and does not like being talked back to.
On point (b) - the sources I've read say he doesn't really have political ambitions of his own in Ukraine, but does want a cushy job with NATO or some foreign think tank.
I'm not an insider in any meaningful way, aside from knowing the language, so take this at what you will.
Well if you're reading Ukrainian or Russian media you will more than likely come away more ignorant than you were before. The Russians lie and the Ukes vomit the first thing to come to their heads endlessly. A good Uke apologies afterwards though. It's a weird social callback to when they weren't allowed to say anything. Their media is dogshit. Like maybe you think Butosov plus is good. Compared to our idea of what a good journalist is he's terrible. Very brave though.
Official Russian media are worthless and I don't know enough about Ukrainian media landscape to tell you what's any good, although I imagine something can be, as Ukrainian political landscape is a lot more chaotic and free than Russian.
Meduza is quite onions and I wouldn't trust their reporting one bit when it comes to stuff like russians-in-exile (they have a lot of skin in the game there), but they have been quite factually accurate when it comes to the war itself.
I also like what Konstantin Skorkin writes about Ukrainian politics (he usually writes for the Carnegie endowment). Think about that institution what you will, but he specifically has been quite accurate long before the war, so I imagine his sources are OK.
>Butosov plus
I do not know who that is.
>There has been alot of tension between the civilian and military leadership.
source?
>Considering the rich history of USA client states suffering chronic coup d'etat, and the precarious situation in the country, it is not a unfounded fear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts_since_2010
which of the most recent coup d'etats would you categorise as occurring in 'USA client states'? the list looks to contain a majority of states which can't reasonably be described as such.
>which of the most recent coup d'etats would you categorise as occurring in 'USA client states'? the list looks to contain a majority of states which can't reasonably be described as such.
NTA but Thailand and Egypt are generally considered to be within the American sphere of influence
yah, not saying it doesn't happen in US client states, just that it appears to happen more often in non US client states.
there's over 40 countries in that list. if a majority of recent coup d'etats have not taken place in a US client state, how can your claim that US client states suffer a disproportionately high likelihood of coup d'etat hold?
I knew he was going to thwart the shills by publishing another essay. What a fricking lad.
So about those videos of 75 year old grey haired russian conscripts with no boots, slant-faced toothless males from uknown siberian regions and soldiers who very clearly, have downs syndrome given AK's and grenades.
I think you may be quoting the wrong general here
So crew optional mt-lb for sure.
Those jet powered drones would absolutely be pointed towards dedicated wingman tech.
The weird zeppelin stuff is probably expansion of the "drone queen" idea.
Definitely exosuits, but in what application who the hell knows.
And I guess cyber attacks.
yeah, the fact that you hide the source says you are full of shit, turd handed rat
>But to me this just seems like a bunch of smoke and mirrors
Yeah, I smell a trap. They're trying to bait the Russians into doing something stupid (even more stupid than usual) and are using the appearance of infighting to create a false sense of weakness.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24400154/ukraine-valerii-zaluzhnyi-essay-design-of-war.pdf
read this instead not CNN slop
you idiots said this "trap" shit last may when they were making movie trailers for the offensive and it turned out that they were just moronic. the wars been on for nearly two years now and its at a standstill of course theres going to be infighting. zelensky was ignoring zaluzhnyis advice even before the war in regards to mobilization.
Could be the Ukrainians did the math and figured that Russian offensives actually work to their benefit because they usually make inconsequential gains at an exorbitant cost of men and material. So they put out a bunch of vague rumors that Zelensky's having a Der Untergang moment and fool Putin into ordering his generals to go on the offensive immediately to capitalize on the perceived weakness.
czech'd
I hope so, but I doubt it. The time to do this was 9 months ago. Better late than never but I don't really recognize any desire to halt offensive actions for a long period of time from Ukraine.
Telling everyone its going to take at least another year and a half is not an easy sell!
>etter late than never but I don't really recognize any desire to halt offensive actions for a long period of time from Ukraine.
they are out of ammunition and vehicles. UAF have said themselves they have enough to defend but not NEARLY enough to attack (properly attack, not meat waves).
F16s soon, other vehicles soon too. Just wait for more gibs, vehicles, ammo and rained soldiers while simultaneously going all-in on drone variants/prototypes - while successfully testing them on high value russian targets that are balls deep behind the lines - seems to be the smartest move right now for Ukraine
LET the Ukrainians defend. The Russians can fricking die in huge numbers assailing well-defended Ukrainian positions.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainians will blast the frick out of Russian oil industry and military-industrial complex. Death by a thousand cuts.
>D i g i t s
They don't seem to be practicing much functional deception. So far they've announced every move, new weapon system and intention months before. Just a lot of cheap propaganda.
The Moskva post card and sinking is the only combined information and practical warfare i can remember. Unless the whole counter-attack talk was psy-op too and they've been accumulating Abrams and F16 all this time.
>The Moskva post card and sinking is the only combined information and practical warfare i can remember.
>He doesn't remember the Kherson deception that led directly to the Russian collapse in Kharkiv
Anon, I...
Imagine all the troops and equipment they could've captured if they had enough heavy aromors.
Virtually all forces stationed near izyum and lyman were captured or annihilated. Lyman in particular had stories of a battalion that tried to flee and got slaughtered since they were surrounded by ambush groups
>holy digits batman
He's literally not fired.
But you could be right. This situation is the level opposite of what was being said this time last year, and it completely covers for very very real shit going down over Crimea (Ukraine has air superiority over Crimea as well now).
Also, Super Potato's essays always herald something. It's like he introduces periods of the war like academic studies.
>Super Potato
holy kek
It's PrepHole's nickname for him. Others were tried like The Sontarran.
last year this guy was swearing by old Soviet doctrine
>zelensky was planning to fire zelushny, but the plan was leaked so they abandoned the plan.
So you made up a false prediction and the fact that it didn't happen actually proves that it was real?
>it is clear that he realizes the war is unwinnable
I am demoralized
>warontherocks reported that zelensky was planning to fire zelushny, but the plan was leaked so they abandoned the plan.
>make up shit
>it doesn't happen
>...
>it didn't happen because I leaked it
I don't buy it.
WarOnTheRocks is generally credible. Its entirely possible they were duped and their source had another agenda. Or their source was duped by someone else. Reporting be that way sometimes.
Yeah you haven't countered the main point which is "It didn't happen because of the leak" is bullshit.
And it is indeed bullshit. No political action of that scale is cancelled because of a leak, and it definitely isn't quickly and emphatically denied like it has been.
>Newsweek notes that Gerasimov hasn't been seen this year
>Not 24 hours later...
>Zaluzhny has been fired guys!
>Political instability!
>Zelensky approval ratings!
Can you put your finger on the bit where Zelensky said sorry?
he's already fired, you stupid Black folk, it just hasn't been formalized as the situation warrants.
>i am as pro ukraine as the next one but even western goverments believe that it will end as a stalemate and are acting accordingly.
This isn't going to be one of those forever wars that ends in a stalemate buddy, too much is on the line.
>rusia has 2 million mobiks
And Ukraine doesn't need to kill all 2 million of them before Russia collapses into civil war
Some day I'm gonna try to talk a drawgay into drawing the George Floyd knee scene but it's a landser kneeling on General Winter.
That's a task for ai.
Or ask in a gen thread
There isn't going to be a civil war in Russia unless millions of conscripts die, the war is lost, and people starve in the streets of Moscow. The Russian psyche is that of a slave which is happy to suffer as long as his master is great and powerful. Before that perception crumbles and things become dire even for the Muscovites there will be no uprisings. And that's just not happening unless NATO starts directly sabotaging Russia.
>This isn't going to be one of those forever wars that ends in a stalemate buddy, too much is on the line.
The war has been going on since 2014 and military experts think this war is going to last DECADES
>DECADES
WHAT MILITARY EXPERTS SAY SO?
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/06/ukraine-war-could-last-decade-top-ukrainian-official-says/387523/
>Sam Skove is a staff reporter at Defense One, where he writes about the Army and Marine Corps. He previously worked in Ukraine covering the Russia-Ukraine war for The Daily Beast, Radio Liberty, and The New Republic, among other publications. He holds a bachelor's degree from Oberlin College and a master's degree from Georgetown's Security Studies Program.
>expert
Here’s a British general saying it
https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-war-general-barrons-interview-tavberidze/32359148.html
He's not suggesting it will last with this intensity for decades. Because we all know that's bullshit. But one can imagine low intensity fighting in a way it went from 2014 to 2022.
Still I wouldn't bet on that.
>military experts think this war is going to last DECADES
Why would it last decades if poccia is losing equipment at an extremely fast rate, all while their dogshit economy is dying? If the vatniks continue to lose shit at a rate similar to the last 2 years, they'll barely have anything in 2-3 years tops. Who is gonna save them then, China, Iran, and the norks?
At every single point of this conflict, the only thing standing between poccia being crushed on the field is the west's decision not to arm Ukraine to the fullest. At any point, this decision could change. But even if it doesn't, all Ukraine has to do is keep beating the shit out of the russian economy and demolishing the meatwave attacks. They don't even need to push to their pre-2014 borders on their own. They just need to wait out poccia. And they're getting the support to do so.
Oh, and even if the vatniks stop suicide rushing, it won't help them. TAD is ongoing, and Ukraine is dominating the air more and more. If the vatniks go on the defensive, the Ukranians will bleed them out effectively while suffering fewer losses.
TZD is imminent
>rusia has 2 million mobiks
>And Ukraine doesn't need to kill all 2 million of them before Russia collapses into civil war
True, and consider how much of a dent they've already made in those two million if we count WIA/MIA and all other irretrievable Russian manpower losses: 300,000? 400,000?
There's a reason all of Putin's public appearances are staged with his FSB bodyguards, lol.
>i am as
>been digged in during
Yes, i learned english watching movies and grammar is shit, but did i get the point through?
Hungary had a higher corruption index in the most recent dataset, and it's literally impossible for this war to demographically deplete them when the current conscription age cutoff is at 27. They're only now considering lowering it to 25.
You're an utter fricking moron, russians will have completely ran out of AFVs three times before Ukies start experiencing any real demographic depletion, their biggest problem right now is the necessity to rotate out veterans and replace them with fresh troops.
If you look at footage from 2023 and 2024, you can clearly see how russian army is becoming more and more like a fricking sandBlack person army - untrained disposable foot infantry replacing mechanized units, useless regular mechanized units that can't do basic tasks, and a small "republican guard" (vdv, maybe morpeh) that's kinda useful but still can't match the enemy man for man. It's a slow-rolling disaster with russian armed forces getting more and more demechanized with every passing year. If you watch footage from 2022, the difference in the amount of heavy equipment is absolutely jarring.
The war will end when either russia collapses or the russian army collapses because the lack of AFVs and other crucial equipment will drive average losses beyond the level at which the russian mobilization system can shit out replacements. Ukraine is going to win an attritional war with russia. All they need to do is outlast russia's capacity to wage an offensive war, they don't even need to be winning any operations.
Just to drive this point further home, the whole SMO is basically russia's attempt at regime change followed by "nation building" (or, in this case, russification). It's basically what Americans pulled off in Iraq after 21 days of ground war and 8+ years of insurgency (not sure about the cutoff here, but 2011 is charitable so let's roll with that). Russia is on day 700+ of ground war and is currently losing - and they haven't even started the hard part yet.
>If you look at footage from 2023 and 2024, you can clearly see how russian army is becoming more and more like a fricking sandBlack person army
Egypt objectively outperformed Russia during the Yom Kippur War alone.
They had to both cross the Suez Canal (which had no bridges) and storm Israel's Bar-Lev Line, a chain of modern fortifications which ran the length of the canal and did both within a matter of hours using ingenuity and careful planning, at a negligible cost in lives.
Name one instance where the Russians have managed to pull off something as simple as an unopposed river crossing without suffering catastrophic losses in the process.
Pontoon? PONTOOOON
>Name one instance where the Russians have managed to pull off something as simple as an unopposed river crossing without suffering catastrophic losses in the process.
The initial advance into kherson city went pretty well, even if the withdrawal did not
Except the Russians just crossed into Kherson through the bridge and the dam, facing minimal resistance
>possible presidential challenger
Zelensky ran for president as a fricking joke, and when he got in he promised he'll just do a single term. Once this war is over he's heading out on his own initiative moron, this isn't fricking Russia when it comes to political intrigue.
>Active duty general legally can't do politics.
>Presidential elections are suspended under martial law.
>Hurr, durr, Zelensky is afraid of Zaluzhny being a possible presidential challenger.
Why are brown people like this?
>there are rumors
>he makes a statement to dismiss the rumors
So far so good, where's the admittance of guilt and the apology?
>zelensky was planning to fire zelushny, but the plan was leaked so they abandoned the plan
Metallica was planning to fire Lars, but then Cliff died so they abandoned the plan*~~)
>Lars
Hasn't this been NATO doctrine for 50 years at this point?
Not two, just one? You have changed, glavset. You used to be funny.
Budanov is a social media zoomer, he's not ready yet
>*incoherent krokodil addict screeching*
Isn't it time for your dedovshchina session?
Oh it is two years now? Why does your halfwit brain always work in 2's? Two weeks this, two years that, two more hits and I have to bum some more kroko off of mum.
Truly a subhuman species.
No, it really wasn't. Do you do anything but make shit up and cry constantly? Go star in a drone video and shut the frick up already.
the 2 weeks meme was making fun of pro russian posters during the kiev debacle you moron
>russia will grind the ukraine down with time
>such is reality
You have to understand, turdies live in a different reality.
I'm not opposed to Zaluzhny being fired. Different brains in charge can bring new ideas into action. Lincoln fired like 5 generals before he got a set that could win him the Civil War.
But Zaluzhny should be in charge of training the new recruits. He is too important and experienced to simply leave the war.
Ukraine needs him.
The US military has a long history (before the last thirty years or so) of pretty rapidly cycling through generals in overall command based on their results in theater, it wasn't seen as career ending to have to step down because it happened so often and to almost everyone. It was more of a case of your particular skillset and approach just not matching the current problems rather than you being a failure, not that it ever felt good - you generally need a pretty sizeable ego to get that far in any organization after all.
It's really only an apocalyptic situation for honor cultures where thin skin and eating Ls for the sake of maintaining appearances govern decision making.
Pretty much this.
I don't think if your goal is winning a war you should ever rule out removing ineffective leaders. Z man is not bad, but clearly not the type of guy to crack the nut. I really, seriously do not believe that modern problems have some how changed the nature of war, I think there is a serious issue within the Ukrainian Military of executing what they were taught by NATO in the offense. The senior leadership seems pretty incapable of loosening the reigns on the lower echelons in order to focus on orchestrating large-scale actions. Case in point the numerous reported instances of senior leaders commanding via-drone feed/. Like we're talking a Colonel micromanaging a platoon or company defense via mavik footage.
The failure of the counter offensive looks to me (admittedly limited scope/outside observer) like a failure to properly shape the battlefield (Ukrainians basically only relied on drone reconnaissance instead of getting people on the ground who are able to detect things like mines) and a failure to commit and concentrate forces on a single axis.
It's combat, in order to impose your will on the enemy you have to be willing to accept some level of injury. Obviously there's some serious nuance here; mass and focus won't carry you through alone (russian experience in Avdiivka).
My assessment is that despite NATO projections that a breakthrough was possible with some units suffering high casualties the Ukrainians got their nose bloodied once or twice and then spread their new units across the front and gave up on attacking. Ukrainian's weren't able to synchronize and orchestrate their offensive actions on a large scale, and had piss-poor results because of it resulting in them erroneously believing it's something which the enemy (transparent battlefield, minefields, drones ect. ect.) did rather than something they did (fail to execute basic fundamental tenants of maneuver warfare) with a lot of them buying into the tool box fallacy.
I think you made a fair assessment but I also think there were failures all around. Even if the Ukrainians had the will, training, and organizational acumen to try out the NATO plan, they weren't properly armed and supplied for it by their allies and their gripes about a transparent battlefield etc. aren't ungrounded. No NATO army would EVER attempt an attack into a fortified enemy line without air superiority. Period.
The thing about the tool box falacy, is that in many cases it really does speak to a real problem or injunction. However, I think the assertion that the reason they failed was the lack of tools is misleading. Certainly air supperiorty would of helped, but by the same token if the Ukrainians are failing to organize a battalion attack (several reported instances of friendly fire, continued use of smallest echelons possible in the attack) what makes anyone think they would be able to effectively integrate air in the kind of way a NATO force does?
Ultimately as it pertains to a ground commander, what you need in general is just Fires, it doesn't really mater where it comes from so long as it achieves the same/similar effects.
From my experience working at the Brigade staff level I think with regards to the counter-offensive we have half a case of a poor-workman blaming his tools and half of a case of said workman actually having shit tools.
Everyone is focusing on the fact that his tools are shit and not that he may or may not know how to use them correctly.
I think playing the blame game in this war is ultimately pointless. No matter what the reason things are the way they are at the moment, this current stalemate can only be broken out of by TZD, and that will take both more and better weapons, AND better training and command from their officers. Say what you want about Zaluzhny but he pointed that fact out and didn't blame anyone in particular for his failures.
To me it seems he conveniently assigns blame to what he was given instead of taking responsibility himself. If I were in Zelensky's position i would be taking a hard look about my other available options for top guy. If every one was worse than Zaluzhny he keeps his job. If there's anything better or some one with a new idea, alright you're up to the bat.
Zaluzhny's not a terrible general, clearly better than the Yes men Putin has throwing ziggers into the grinder but, I'm not sure he's the *best man* for the problem right now, definitely worth keeping around even if you replace him in some other compacity. At the same time you also pursue addressing the logistical woes.
If you're serious about winning I don't believe you should have any sacred cows and seriously investigate every avenue of addressing the problem.
Their biggest mistake was focusing on retaking Ukrainian land, while they should've done TZD. Just dig in, and TZD. TZD until their army collapses. If you think about it, almost all of Ukraine's success were based on TZD.
>blyatzkrieg to Keef = TZD
>Kherson = TZD up North
>Northern offensive = absolute TZD everywhere
>Black Sea = TZD
>Bakhmut and subsequent Pringles rebellion = TZD
Time to build a billion FPV drones and TZD until 1917 revolution happens.
Based and good for humanity pilled take
TZD is the only holy truth. Maneuver warfare is a fricking meme. First, you must massacre your enemy. That means... say it with me, TZD!
Will take us YEARS, if not DECADES
This is how basically general potato laid out new Ukrainian strategy for incoming years
That's why they stopped the counteroffensive early. They realized it wouldn't be effective very quickly into it, stopped, pulled back, and are now focusing on inflicting massive losses on the Russians. Which is working, the casualty rates are staggeringly in Ukraine's favour and if the war continues like this, Russia WILL run out of equipment and manpower long before Ukraine.
Ziggers online try to spin this as a Russian victory "xaxa counteroffensyiv failed *~~)".
On the one hand, yes.
On the other hand, TZD means sitting back and letting the Russians run down the Geneva checklist on all the Ukrainians living behind the front lines. Every day the UAF waits is a day that Putin can rape/loot/abduct/replace locals with churkas/dig in/gloat about how much land he still controls/etc. I really don't think we can blame the Ukrainians for at least trying to get as much of the land back as quick as they can.
>just suicide yourself for my entertainment when we gave you 20% of the equipment you asked for
yeah bro, fricking dumb slavs failing to implement "muh NATO tactics" (nevermind the fact that NATO has never been in a peer conflict) with no equipment, amiriteguys?
>nevermind
It’s “never mind” you cretinous imbecile ESL
Nobody says that in englishland
>muh ukronazis
>while dying in thousands for a billionaire dictator claiming that entire europe will be russian
you ziggers are really out of touch with reality
Can we get some pro-Ukraine AI renders of Super Potato already?
>Shoigu!! Where's Gerasimov?!
...now I'm imagining that Patch Adams bit but it's Shoigu getting asked questions like "How long until we take Kharkiv?".
>"Nowhere you idiots. Gerasimov's dead. He's locked in my basement. Haha!"
I read Shoigu's book. It sucked. Half the book was descriptions of CARPENTRY.
>counteroffensive
Hard to do when everything is mined, there's no air support and you can't detour through russia because using western weapons there is verboten.
>warontherocks reported that zelensky was planning to fire zelushny, but the plan was leaked so they abandoned the plan.
this is how it went with reznikov as well.
>reznikov
A relevant name only in that I wondered if he was slandering Zelensky with this story.
>muh Crim--
Yeah, okay.
How does that help an average babushka buy something other than absolute goyslop (in the most literal sense of that word) while she freezes in her khruschyovka?
Lmao, 15 rubble hooker is still trying to earn its paycheck.
>YOU'RE DYING ALREADY SO JUST GIVE UP AND STOP KILLING US
>WE'LL WIN EVENTUALLY SO JUST LET US TORTURE AND EXECUTE YOU TO SAVE TIME
>GIVE US YOUR GAS AND WOMEN NOW REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Truly pathetic. Christ, at least show a little decorum in your eventual pyrrhic victory.
When Russia has demonstrated they'll explicitly target women and children, and then go on to torture, rape and execute those who surrender, what incentive is there NOT to fight to the end?
Your concern for the lives of ordinary Ukrainians seems very genuine and organic. :^)
Life expectancy of 57 is another level tho.
But also imagine being 25y/o in Ukraine, must be fricking drowning in pussy with all the competition being blown up.
>mfw the samegayging zigger failed to get me fired and has no more eggs to measure
Just like Kherson.
They will leave Crimea too. just like they left Kherson, once it becomes impossible to hold they will fold and probably do some weird pantomime display in TV where they act (very badly) as if this is their choise, rather than forced on them.
Seriously that was like watching elementary school theatre play, the acting was so rehearsed.
you are a moron
you'll never be west
Why did they just leave? Especially when it was supposed to be Russwian forever?
I don't think that's right
Covid hit US disproportionately hard since vax and masks became political question there.
>send in the next wave
This fricking guy.
So Russia cares enough about it's soldiers to retreat, but still continues to waste them in their thousands on doomed offensives.
Got it.
US massive drop was bcause of shitty handling of covid, has nothing to do with "tasty meal". It already bounced back since kung-flu ran out of people it could easily kill. Think Chinks are again behind tho not by much, maybe a year or so.
Well having a two hour commute already sucks ass.
That said, go shopping on your commute (+30min) and then make actual human food (+30min).
Where the frick are you getting the two hours from?
>i-it was just a tactical feint of good will
Whatever, Dimon
this guy is a talker
he's not bloodthirsty enough
we need someone to the right of Budanov
He's a thinker. We need thinkers.
That's really nice and considerate of them. While at it they might also leave Crimmea and oher parts of Ukraine so these don't get destroyed.
>most poorgays couldn’t pass an adult version of the marshmallow test
They could not. That's exactly why they are usually poor. It's not their fault they were born stupid tough.
Just like it was handed over to puccia without a fight by traitorous military commander
You will never take it again, just like you will never take Odesa, Kharkiv, or Zaporizhzhia
>what krokodil does to a motherfricker
As hilarious as puccian propaganda talking about west being swarmed by migrants from Africa and Middle East, while filling Donbabwe and Luganda with Chechens, and Buryats
Why do they bomb civilans on daily basis then?
Piggers are bombing themselves to stir up outrage in the west *~~*~~)
Russia on the other hand is the great civilizer and rebuilder of our age.
>I'm supposed to spend additional two hours shopping for groceries, cooking that shit and then cleaning all up
Shopping takes 10 mins
Cooking and cleaning the kitchen for all 3 meals takes like 45 mins max
You have to be incredibly inept to be wasting hours on that shit
That's an explosion of laziness. Food delivery services exploded when apps made ordering effortless
Each time you capitalize words it makes you look dumber
>Europe mostly DOESN’T CARE
doesn't appear to be true
>filename
well well well
Chinese?
Ukrain is losing now plz surrender i dont wanna be conscripted to die over a literal slag heap
Ukraine isn't on the edge of immediate collapse. Zelensky and the government are incentivized to shill how dire their situation is so the gibs keep coming.
But, the attritional war ain't good for Ukraine I don't think. If they want out of the attritional warfare, then they need a Western airforce, preferably US coalition, to intervene. If that was gonna happen it would have already. Or, they need a coup/mutiny/revolt/pestilence. Which aren't likely, but they do happen
As it looks now, Ukraine is forced to fight this kinda war and just hope Russia/Russians get tired of it and give up. Which could happen in a year, or two, or 8 years from now. Lots can happen between now and defeat
Russia can send men and material to die for a longer time than Ukraine can can send men and material to get in their way. This is of something Ukrainian planners should be considering
When you have kill ratio as high as 10:1 you can hold out pretty long. That is something Russian planners should be considering.
>Europe mostly DOESN’T CARE. Not enough to make a major commitment on their own political dimes to supporting Ukraine.
Black person, they forced major aid package just yesterday and event went as far as considering to take away Hungary veto privilidge just to get the aid package through.
BUT DONT YOU KNOW THAT BY TAKING AWAY KNOWN ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER AND CONSTANT SHITFLINGER HUNGARY'S VOTE THEYVE COLLAPSED THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF THE EU
EU DED, CANON RESET NOW
Turn off caps lock.
Nothing has collapsed. Even tough /chug/ told you.
ESL?
Yes, very observant of you. But how does that change anything I said?
Because you were unable to detect sarcasm and responded as if what i said was my held beliefs.
Yeah that $50 bil that just went thru is totally not serious lmao
Pretty hard to detect sarcasm these days. This thread is hard evidence of it.
Wait so you are telling me Russia is spending 1/3 of its whole budget on this war and you expect them to do so for DECADES?
Either they are lying or they are going to collapse economically.
Also that EU aid package from yesterday was 50 billion not 1,2.
Nope. It’s through.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/world/europe/eu-hungary-ukraine-fund.html
Congress is set to vote on their aid package next week.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/us/politics/schumer-ukraine-border-immigration-senate.html
>no replies
they really hate seeing this, it goes against their zigger programming
Many of them truly believed that they had found a fatal flaw in democracy, as if the abuse of veto powers was something institutions like the EU had never considered and had no means of defending against.
It must be quite painful to see those hopes casually dashed by polite meetings and obscure bureaucratic proceedings
The EU big names got sick of his games and called him to a meeting about the issue. He reportedly walked there with a stack of papers full of demands and left with almost nothing, except some vague promise to review the aid after a year or two. Must have gotten a real earful.
>him
Oh and by him I meant Orban, of course. I wonder if the "leaked" proposals to suspend Hungary from various EU processes came up in their meeting.
Frankly they should do that anyway because Orban is just pissing on every EU rule at this point, but maybe humiliating him a bit first is even better.
That is entirely possible.
His boomer voter base might also enjoy the very favorable deals Hungary is getting for Russian energy somehow.
>Crazy how China now has higher life expectancy than US.
I'm sure china is telling the truth yes
China is a nation known for telling the truth yes
I mean, itnot like they had to disappear their major military leaders for corruption or something, and surely those indicators on actual medical issues suffered by chinese infnat don't contradict their claims at WHO.
>they had to disappear their major military leaders for corruption or something
they're just ordinary ideological purges
Damn, time to ivest in some yatch companies! Also, good thing that money is going to fuel Shoigu's mastery of tactics and strategy, otherwise I would be worried.
So, should Super Potato be appointed head trainer of all Ukrainian units? Stupid to waste all that experience and charisma.
He's not going anywhere
What are we going to do? Lobby Ukraine to keep him in the military?
dude, all things point to him getting sacked soon.
he's still gonna be part of army command tho
>Look. Ukraine is LOSING. Not in terms of continually losing territory, although that is happening, but in terms of attrition. The FACT is, Russia can better sustain attrition than Ukraine. Russia can replace losses better than Ukraine. That fact is being felt very keenly on the front right now. It’s not as if the Russians are going to suddenly crash through the frontline tomorrow but the leadership sees the writing on the wall — Ukraine can’t keep this level of attrition up. Zelensky and others in the government have constantly been hinting at how serious their situation is. They need a LOT of Western support, not just a batch of bombs here and a few dozen IFVs there. They need more than just be kept away from immediate collapse, they need serious support enough to change the tide of attrition to their favor. We COULD do that for them…but we’re not. The US has been pushing the rest into supporting Ukraine but when even the US begins sitting on aid packages everyone else immediately cools down — because, ULTIMATELY, Europe mostly DOESN’T CARE. Not enough to make a major commitment on their own political dimes to supporting Ukraine.
Literally all of that is wrong.
Only thing worse than a shitpost is replying to a shitpost and repeating it verbatim with an image attached to it.
>seize living
Very positive advice!
>can't take Avdiivka literally in Donetsk outskirts
>puccia is winning
Just two more weeks, right?
When you can't make it in real life you end up 4ch where you spend time with other losers.
Like especially this board, it's burger super-poors which are into guns to channel their anger towards society which did them wrong and made them poor and east-euro poors which never had any chance in the first place.
>warontherocks reported
Pretty sure the original reporting came from the economist
The problem with burgers is that they eat like shit.
You're supposed to do that once or twice a week and cook in bulk so you save time AND money you fat fricking lazy slob.
Also grocery shopping takes 20 minutes if you're IQ >90 and made a list.
>noooooooo I can't eat the same meal three days in a row
Then either get a stay at home wife, pay up for restaurant meals or eat fast food trash and get a stroke at 55 lol IDGAF
>thread about strife in Kiev with potentially game ending ramifications
>burgers talk about food
>NOOOOOO YOU *HAVE* TO DISCUSS MY FLAVOR OF THE MONTH "THIS IS HOW IT'S OVER FOR THE HOHOLS" BAIT
lol get fricked
Buckwheat smells like ass and is a pleb food.
Coeliac here, you're right besides pancakes. Buckwheat pancakes are breddy gud. Anyway, glad super potatois still at the top.
picrel, and I look forward to the vatnik mass suicides once the Armed Forces of Russia flee in shame and disarray from Crimea, too. *~~*~~*~~*~~))
>because, ULTIMATELY, Europe mostly DOESN’T CARE.
Recent signs of such rampant European apathy:
>50 billion Euros in aid finally announced by the EU Parliament
>Gigachad Norway kicking in $75 billion from their sovereign wealth fund
>first batch of special-order GLSDB just arrived
So this is what a copium overdose does to the vatnik mind.
>50 billion Euros in aid finally announced by the EU Parliament
Bullshit. The European Council approved a package, the parliament can't do shit.
That was my bad, I'm not up to speed on the inner workings of the EU governing bodies. That said:
>An official text, published by the EU Council, said that the 27 member states had approved €50 billion ($54 billion) to be sent to Ukraine from 2024 to 2027. It detailed €33 billion “in the form of loans” and €17 billion in “non-repayable support” that could be “generated from frozen Russian assets. The text makes multiple mentions of the money being used as part of Ukraine’s path to joining the bloc.
So I wouldn't go so far as to say the 50 billion Euros in aid is "bullshit".
*75b NOK so around 7.5b dollars
Yeah, damn, I was about to say Norway is way richer than I thought. The population is less than 6 million.
50 billion anon
The package is 50 billion euros
it's for 4 years and €33 billion of those €50 billion of it are loans.
€17 billion grants over four years is €4.25/year.
2022: peacetime level of shell production
2023: 300k shells/year
2024: 1 million shells/year
>the zigger shill outs himself as a commie turdie
like fricking clockword
Look, I'm no expert, but I lived in China for a while and my Chinese girlfriend worked in hospitals and public health. A vast number of Chinese citizens simply don't exist outside of basic census results. They're elderly and generally rural folk who simply have no official documentation of their existence because of the autistic cut-off periods that CCP introduced during modernisation. Some of them have names in localised dialects that literally could not be entered into digital databases early on, and so they may exist as two incomplete identities that just fall through the cracks. In extremely poor communities, te elderly and terminally ill intentionally fall off the radar in order not to prompt a government investigation that might have their homes condemned. On top of this, I've seen personally how even hospital admin, distanced from party politics, are instructed by superiors to cook the books in pursuit of lower transmission, accident and fatalities. An entire ward got food poisoning? Downgrade it to "expressed dissatisfaction with meals" and reprimand the kitchen. 8 patients died from the flu because nurse Wu didn't change her gloves? Move the dead patients to different rooms retroactively and have a staff training seminar on proper reporting procedure. An entire ward caught COVID because the exhaust fans were spliced into the AC to save money? Those that survive were now never sick in the first place, and all the elderly dead actually died due to a variety of complications that can't be proven before they've been cremated/buried. When everyone in your society, down to nursing students, will lie and coverup deaths reflexively, you can never trust a single data point.
The counter-offensive failed because conducting an assault through a minefield is one of the most challenging thing a military can do. While Bakhmut was grinding on the Russians deployed MASSIVE minefields and deep, multi-layered lines of fortifications. To assault across that you need not only well-trained troops with good comms, you need good mine-clearing equipment, engineering troops, artillery and air support, and close co-ordination between participating military branches. On top of that it requires practice to actually pull off. Ukraine simply didn’t have all of these elements lined up, so, as the triple-digit IQs among us pointed out at the time, of course the counter-offensive was going to fail. And the minefields just didn’t disappear, they’re still there narrowing the front into a cou-le of brutal grinding kill zones in which it’s hard for anyone to move, This favors Russia because they want the conflict to freeze, for the war to leave the news cycle and the West to lose interest — so that the aid stops. He’s 100% correct that Ukraine NEEDS to mobilize a LOT of people to make up for all the things they don’t have. He’s RIGHT to face the reality of slow Western aid.
And another thing — Russians literally, unironically don’t care about their manpower losses. The people who’re dying are almost entirely minorities — separatist Ukranians, Tajiks, Asians, etc. I’ve come to believe that Russians ("white" Russians of Western Russia) don’t even really think of those people as Russians. So they can die in mass amounts and Russians that matter don’t care in the slightest. They’ll support the war while simultaneously refusing to participate in it — because that’s for minority cattle to go die for. So as long as Putin can find minorities, separatists, felons, mercs, etc, to fill the ranks he’ll probably be under no real popular pressure to end the war.
Every operational or tactical problem that applies to Ukraine applies to Russia doubly so.
Him. The Savior of Ukraine.
he refused the position when offered, supposedly, just like everyone else
arestovich, My Favorite Ukrainian Analyst says that the main problem with him is that he worked not in armed forced, but in GRU, intelligence
you don't get your spymaster to run your army. it's an extremely poor fit.
>you don't get your spymaster to run your army. it's an extremely poor fit.
the army is run by this dude
>The reason poor people die earlier is because poor people are lazy and stupid.
>Is lazy and stupid
Black person do you not have a fricking refrigerator? i go shopping every two weeks, have fresh veg with every meal, and save hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month. learn to cook you frickin turd. you'll feel better, you'll have a useful skill, you'll save money.
Orban has very solid relations with foreign corpos, thanks to his corpo-friendly labor laws. There were even protests back something like 7 or 8 years ago (can't remember the exact period) over the changes to the then-in force labor law.
Yeah, they do make a lot of cars and other hardware in Hungary. Not just European stuff, but I think some US and Japanese companies' products too. Maybe the bargain energy they somehow keep receiving from Russia helps with that.
Wonder how long that can last, though---some Russian talking heads are clearly very unhappy with Orban after he gave up on blocking the EU's Ukraine aid.
>Not just European stuff, but I think some US and Japanese companies' products too.
Suzuki have a factory in Hungary.
That doesn't really make any sense, though. Why would they want him to veto the Ukraine aid measure?
For France, it's some high level geopolitical/real politik bullshit where they see the US as an enemy to defeat for control of Europe and Russia is an ally to help do that. They were even selling high quality thermal optics into Russia up until the invasion. For Germany is simple, Schulz is straight up a commie plant from the cold war who wants the USSR back and global communism.
So you're telling me the Russo Ukraine war is actually a proxy war between France and France?
I thought it was norks vs sorks proxy war.
What the frick is Brian Daboll doing in Ukraine? His disaster of a football team needs way more help than those pesky slavs do
well now that he's fired. i hope he's enjoying his retirement.
splooge me, zaluzhniy
Nice to see the glavset prostituting themselves this early.
>had to google that.
Or just look at your id badge, but then you're all intensely stupid. Also you misspelled "yandex."
The janny would do you a favour by deleting your embarrassing post. You can retreat back to your hugbox any time, no need to be dramatic about.
this homosexual was too soft to incur 20% casualties to take Melitopol
>Call Budanov
>sir, he's chasing Kamaz trucks with his personalized red drones he calls Red Baboons, say to give him 10 min
jannies are being pretty friendly towards shitskin zigger shills today, I guess every now and then it's good to point and laugh at someone.
>surely he had the bodies to break through
Maybe he didn't want to sacrifice bodies to break through. After those bodies are gone, now what?
He is too popular in Ukraine. Zelensky unironically risks a coop if he removes him without a (perceived) good reason.
Can he even speak English though?
Where will I find this scoop Anon?
Eurasia times?
Hindustan express?
Not him, I don't know where he got that pic from but there is some evidence that Zelensky was(and still might be) planning of firing Zaluzhny.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/02/zaluzhny-zelensky-white-house/
>Hersh
>reality
what the frick are you smoking, anon
>Zelensky regime
VatBlack person propaganda article detected.
have a nice day, subhuman scum. But kindly kill your parents first, lest they repeat their mistake.
>the vatBlack person said, rolling around in his own filth, wondering why russia keeps losing even though they're totally epically owning the ukroids.
you'd think after 2 years of the 3 day special operation vatBlack person would get a clue that this is not how things are going to work out, but no, they keep going.
>the only reason i invade a different board where i don't belong is to seethe and be mocked in my pillory while tears stream down onto my keyboard
i mean, knock yourself out bro. won't urape your dictator shithole.
>Zelensky regime
>presuming a board is a singular opinion
Dumb.
>projective avatarposting
Dumb.
Yeah the idea of secret backroom deals with Zaluzhny and Garasimov sounded like complete nonsense (do either of them even have the consititutional authority to do what the article implies? I doubt it), but that tagline "Zelensky regime" it showed it's hand too much, what a false and homosexual article.