The basic russian infantry are a meme. The VDV are an endagered species after all those failed landings

The basic russian infantry are a meme
The VDV are an endagered species after all those failed landings
Spetsnaz havent done anything of note

How are the Russian Naval Infantry doing?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The 810th and 155th guards were among the best, and they've expended most their experienced soldiers. They've had to reconstitute multiple times and they're a shadow of their former selves.
    Basically, the NI were good, but they were treated like the VDV. They literally wasted the lives of their best men because they thought they were superhumans.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the russian command drank their own kool aid?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the most straightforward explanation I can think of. There's no *good* reason why those men were given such critical objectives but so little support.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia shouldnt have trained their general staff by playing "Syrian Warfare"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I believe most armies have the same problem. They're always prepared for the last war, not the next. The US forces now have a solid experience in counter insurgency, but I hope for them that the war in Ukraine has made them think about the changes needed to fight efficiently against a near peer opponent. Recon drones for each squad should be a bare minimum nowadays imo. Emphasis on electronic warfare is also central. I know for sure that nothing has changed yet in the European armies, sadly.

            Spetsnaz units were also used as regular infantry and suffered too, plus all those botched assassinations and infiltrations into Kiev

            Apparently they helped stop the offensive last summer by calling in accurate arty

            >Spetsnaz units were also used as regular infantry and suffered too
            This is a another big mistake that should be avoided at all costs. Special units aren't supposed to be used as light infantry, they're used for raids, sabotage, target designation, and other stuff the average infantryman isn't trained to do. But wasting good units is what militaries do when they lack manpower and well trained soldiers, sadly.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I know for sure that nothing has changed yet in the European armies, sadly
              I know Lithuania is investing in offensive and defensive drone capabilities. They should be getting their Switchblades 600's thisyear

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They should be getting their Switchblades 600's thisyear

                absolute waste of money Ukrainians don't even want that trash anymore and rather rely on cheap FPVs

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                whats so bad about them?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The US never learned lessons from COIN lmao. Its officers were chomping at the bit to get back to peer war practice back in the early 2010s.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because there was no support to go around, but they couldn't let the objectives fail so they wasted men instead of steel. It was less thinking that they were superhuman and would just magically get the job done, and more that they were expected to get the job done well enough that leadership didn't have to tell Putin they failed and damn the cost.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the most straightforward explanation I can think of. There's no *good* reason why those men were given such critical objectives but so little support.

      The "good reason" is that the Russian ground forces have a serious lack of infantry troops, something the VDV, Spetznaz and Sea Infantry don't have. Same thing with their mountain infantry units.

      This is the main problem with making all your ground forces mechanized, motorized and armored like the USSR did.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spetsnaz units were also used as regular infantry and suffered too, plus all those botched assassinations and infiltrations into Kiev

    Apparently they helped stop the offensive last summer by calling in accurate arty

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Spetsnaz units were also used as regular infantry
      fricked up

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Their biggest accomplishment was to stop a big attack on Novodonetsk a few months ago. But their commanders are morons like Muradov, the one who sent them to their deaths in Vuhledar

        Spetsnaz are "elite infantry" though, they're much closer to Rangers than they are to, let's say Delta. It's a bit of a misconception to think that all spetsnaz are tier-1 special forces, only Vympel, Alpha and a few tiny units would qualify as this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You dummy, "special forces" isn't just special mission units. And most of the Spetznaz are compared to the US Green Berets, who never only did foreign internal defense despite what pseudo-intellectuals will have you believe.

          The actual equivalent to the rangers in Russia is a VDV Spetznaz regiment, I think its called the 25th or 45th VDV Regiment. They were heavily involved in that failed landing in Hostomel.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Spetsnaz havent done anything of note
        They're doing work in Ukraine as you'd expect from soldiers trained to that level. Soledar's capture was due to Spetsnaz and VDV outflanking the Ukrainians

        Both Ukrainians and Russians use special forces to raid and capture trenches which would be a massive no-no in the west but Russia takes it a step further and uses them to defend trenches. The Spetsnaz was used south of Robotyne to defend trenches there

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          US special forces were used to take ground from the NVA and Vietcong 50 years ago. They might have to do it alongside South Vietnamese forces they trained and lead but they would do it. That's half the job of the Mike Force units.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How hard is it to become a russian marine?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right now it's pretty easy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how hard is it to join the Russian Army
      don't call them, they'll call you

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember Vuhledar?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      man, its been so long

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny times.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How are the Russian Naval Infantry doing?
    It's hard to say, anon. Just because there are several groups that could be considered 'Russian Naval Infantry' at this point. If you are referring to the marines, they have been very badly mauled after being forced to conduct a number of unsupported breakthrough operations. If you are referring to the sailors that have been forced into infantry service, they actually seem to be doing OK due to them mostly being relegated to inactive fronts. If you are referring to the famous black sea detachment of the VDV, they are still on a permanent deployment alongside the Moskva.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Naval Infantry not meaning marines
      American moment.

      >If you are referring to the sailors that have been forced into infantry service
      Russian marines have always been a branch of the navy like in vast majority of countries, basically any country that isn't the United States.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's a difference between Naval Infantry/Marines and naval brigades.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How are the Russian Naval Infantry doing?
    Not great.

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