Golf carts, motorcycles and now Urals being used in assaults. I'm predicting uparmored Bukhankas to storm the frontlines next.
Are they preparing for the looming IFV shortage?
The assault Ural has been defeated
Golf carts, motorcycles and now Urals being used in assaults. I'm predicting uparmored Bukhankas to storm the frontlines next.
Are they preparing for the looming IFV shortage?
>looming
The hour is later than you think...
@Jonpy99 on Twitter has some nice thread about IFV storage sites. He is waiting to release the latest numbers after Covert Cabal supposedly makes a video about it soon. He claims whatever is left on the sites now is pretty much junk
Covert Cabals stockpile video needs to be put in the board sticky.
To be fair on the OP, I don't think many of us would have been comfortable speculating the loss rates being as white-hot as they have been. Like most of us, you sort of take the data on what's out there with a grain of salt but underestimating an opponent is really quite a bad move for anyone to do, some of these offensives have notched up ludicrous losses. They've lost something like 105 armoured vehicles on the 'White Mountain' front alone in 3-4months
Yeah, anything that could be fixed easily was a fair time ago, now's the really hard work to try and find enough mechanics to get the bottom of the barrel beaters working
>I don't think many of us would have been comfortable speculating the loss rates being as white-hot as they have been.
It's probably less a function of Russian desperation/improved organization or Ukrainian weapons and more due to the warm season drying things out so Russian can zerg more vehicles.
>warm season drying things out
General Mud is about to pay the battlefield a visit.
They are preparing the mass production of their land drones. The F-16s are already on the way. They crossed the Baltic Sea mere hours ago, disguised as shipping containers. They will find the air defense. And kill, the ones who command it
You did not seriously think the East could contend with the strength of NATO? There are none who can… Against the power of the Amerimutts, there can be no victory. We must join with them. Me must join with the hokhli
>They crossed the Baltic Sea mere hours ago, disguised as shipping containers.
They flew over it cunningly stored in AeroGavins.
Plot twist: the F-16s were never real, we just needed an excuse to give Ukraine AeroGavins.
APCs/IFVs don't seem to have crappy first line sometimes defective reserve salvage available like the T54s, T62s in tanks and D30s etc in artillery from what we are seeking although the vatBlack folk were still loosing BMP2s yesterday.
Soviet tank losses WW2 83,500
Russia Vehicle/ship/artillery/aircraft losses Ukraine 63,951
Russian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded
16.04.2024
Tanks — 7189 (+9)
Armored fighting vehicle — 13809 (+13)
Artillery systems — 11609 (+16)
MLRS — 1046
Anti-aircraft warfare — 759 (+1)
Planes — 347
Helicopters — 325
UAV — 9277 (+11)
Cruise missiles — 2092
Ships (boats) — 26
Submarines — 1
Cars and cisterns — 15563 (+53)
Special equipment — 1908
Military personnel — aprx. 455340 people (+920)
>Soviet tank losses WW2 83,500
>Russia Vehicle/ship/artillery/aircraft losses Ukraine 63,951
you forgot
brought to you from
Ukraine loses : 31 000 men in 2 years
didn't check those regularly but it's funny to see russia only loses a dozen tanks and apvs each but way more unarmored vehicles nowadays.
i guess they've advanced to using golf carts and copecaged kamaz trucks to attack ukrainian defenses instead of increasingly rare armor
I told people they'd never run out of tanks, they'd just stop using them except peacemeal and it seems it's becoming more and more true.
Russia is still producing brand new BMP3, mainly in one factory.
Is that the one in kurganmashzavod?
>Kurgan is 1800 km away
How would you as Kyrylo Budanov strike this facility? And what part of BMP production is the most vulnerable i.e. the bottleneck?
Why bother. Half this shit requires more man hours than actually casting a new one.
Not him, but if it was me calling the shot
>The labour force
>Quietly 'Hire' people working there to do an extremely bad job
why bother, isn't it currently underwater? or maybe the flood didn't reach that far
>How would you as Kyrylo Budanov strike this facility?
Ukrainians already deployed a top-secret weather weapon, Kurgan is flooded.
His shamans did remotely targeted rain dance and called curse of flood upon ziggeria
The best bottleneck is continuing to hit their oil refining capacity. They are already struggling to meet domestic demand for refined oil and have banned export of all refined products. Russia's only choice then is to scale back oil consumption, or sell their crude to countries with excess refining capacity and then buying it back (at a huge markup).
It doesn't matter how many BMPs Russia builds if they don't have the gas to run them.
And the substations powering their electrified railroads. It gets a lot harder to ship stuff around without them.
> There were no reports that the factory, Kurganmashzavod, had so far been affected.
I repeat.
>There were no reports that the factory, Kurganmashzavod, had so far been affected.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-city-calls-mass-evacuation-due-rising-flood-waters-2024-04-12/
It doesn't matter if the factory itself is flooded or not. If just the region is flooded that's enough to effect the whole necessary circunstances for making a BMP, packing it, shipping it and then actually putting it into service.
What good is the factory if the roads are flooded for example?
>It doesn't matter if the factory itself is flooded or not. If just the region is flooded that's enough to effect the whole necessary circunstances for making a BMP, packing it, shipping it and then actually putting it into service.
>What good is the factory if the roads are flooded for example?
also many factory workers and their families probably live in the flooded area
House flooded?
Guess what
The BMP3 production capacity has reportedly been maxed out since 2022 already with triple shifts. Still, the production rate is way lower than their IFV losses are
How long until they start neutering new production vehicles with less weapons? BMP-3 already has too many for its crew to service to begin with.
They would run out of engines first.
>Urals
>uparmored Bukhankas
What's the difference? Aren't they both trucks?
Urals are trucks, Bukhankas are more like minivans
I still don't really see how that's further on the sliding scale of stupid equipment. I'd say golf carts are waaaaay past real cars like those
The point isn't that they are constantly further sliding towards worst vehicles. Point is that they seem to be trying through various vehicles not meant for frontlines and forcing these to fit the assault role. Probably preparing for an acute IFV shortage and testing other options beforehand.
What funny vehicles that they "only use for logistics and behind the line troop movements, comrade*~~)" do they even have? I would love a Zmart car assault but I don't think they "appropriated" enough of those
Toyota technicals would be a classic one. Surely they can forecully acquire some Hiluxes from the civilian population
>Enclosed vehicles with a roof
>Not used to storm front lines
Man, early 2022 russians had it good.
Why do they use the Latin letters?
Presumably to prevent confusion with cyrillic letters that may have different meanings
Why did they adopt the Z as a war symbol, and not V or O?
>Why did they adopt the Z as a war symbol
putins forced meme millitaristic national holiday 'victory day' which was never actually a recurring national holiday before him and only sporadic to mark major anniversaries had children dress up as cardboard tanks etc, the symbol Z is supposed to represent a tank, the gun and nose of the tracks.
V is regularly seen on many military vehicles throughout the world in some way or form, a simple arrow.
O is even more generic and basically a fricking circle.
The Z on the other hand is unusual as it's from the latin alphabet and has a rather harsh sound when spoken out and is sort of a badass looking eyecatcher that got quickly adopted by ziggers domestically as well as all around the world. It's simple and distinct enough to be highly memorable.
Where were the marked Z forces when the invasion started? I know there were V )(deh veh) up North for Kiev, don't know where O was (or O with a line under it)
It was simply most prominently seen in footage, and so quickly became associated with the Russian assault.
I think that business stopped being true when the z got popular among subhumans, a few months into the SMO. They also had O and V but they don't use them anymore.
Z on smart is shopped, though.
In original footage of that place it just happened to drive after the Z column.
this war ended 2 years ago, any normal country would just cancel the whole war if it devolved to WW1 tier but nope, not russia, they will soon start riding to the front in supermarket shopping carts while insisting that russia is winning.
pic unrelated.
XAXA Wrong.
Ural are Sacred Mountain of Rus.
Buhanka is loaf.
bukhanka jeep exists tho
Good trucks too. Most were thoroughly used up as work machines. They were common at gas stations and parts shops while I was a lad. Not fast but they didn't need to be (and given the drums all round better off).
Frick pulling hubs off tapered axles though.
I hope some of these shitboxes survive the war. I want one so I can paint it mystery machine colors.
Out of everything, the biggest change this war has invoked in me is a deep need to own and drive a buhanka.
I want one for picrel
They've been pretty popular in europe, but exports obviously stopped in 2022. Don't know if production is still ongoing, UAZ was going to end it in 2019 or so but then recieved too many orders from europe. I think most of the loafs that I saw getting bonked so far were much older though
Anyway, there are plenty Bukhankas in europe, you can go out and buy one any day
At least they seem solid enough in the roof that they don't crumple like a can in a rollover and I'd expect everyone inside was at the very least a bit broken because Russian's don't wear seatbelts.
>wheels stolen
lmao actual Black folk
Probably by other Russian's after their commanders 'saved some money' buying chinkypoo tyres for everyone that didn't really hold up to slav roads
How much do they run? I'm a burger so I'd need to import one and it would need to be at least 25 years old because of stupid import laws.
I want a loaf so badly they're so cute.
For a similar feel in the West check out this babbie. Volvo C-303.
Many many variants. Crazy amount of front axle travel.
I'll allow this Star Wars reference. But watch yourself.
Ever watch sidecar racing? They make physics their b***h. Some of the teams seem kinda gay but I dunno, I'm probably just brainrotted.
Now that's what I call limber
woah... box loaf....
>that one chubster who can almost move like an Olympic gymnast
Upside-down Pound Cake, 😉
a treat for dubs & trips, back to back.
Is this an enemy coded message? Traitors should be shot!
The coded message is to find a bottom heavy cake, flip it upside down and pound it.
In your Volvo C303 or UAZ Buhanka.
#vanlife
I present the big loaf
>filename
It's definitely not road legal where I live but by god I want one.
Hol up, is this the vehicle they used in that movie Mystery Men?
hey guys whats goin on in this thread...
The cybertruck surely got into a new phase.
>how horrifying
>Ural are Sacred Mountain of Rus.
How? Russians don't come from there. Even the Easternmost trade routes of Rus skirted the Urals and rode down the Volga to Caspian instead
There's just something weirdly appealing about bukhankas. I know it's shitboxes hammered together by prisoners, but still. Looking at them gives me this urge to try and rice one into something cute and comfy.
I've been drip feeding Buhanka, Jeep Command var (it's what Russia copied to get Buhanka), C-303, and Pinzgauer to /k/. As a result of my studies, I can scientifically explain the appeal.
- The headlights are close together and large enough to resemble baby eyes. Same reason you like puppies & kittens.
- The curves are perfectly mediocre. Very curvy = sexy, feminine, or sumptuously luxurious. Angular = masculine & strong. Buhanka is between. Volkswagen Minibus. It's endearingly lame, a stylistic underdog that needs your touch.
- Small, normal wheels. Thr C303 and Pinzgauer have larger wheels, which tell you it has special parts optimized for cross country. Meanwhile Buhanka has literal trunk-spare looking wheels & tires. Beyond common, but even the lowest possible common standard. Again, underdog that needs your help.
- The panel seams are deep enough to make the door size easily read at a glance. This is important to reinforce the smallness, if there is no person beside the Buhanka for reference.
Buchankas are basically UAZ, but driver is sitting on the bonnet and the roof is stretched over him
Bukhanka is UAZ, just different model
yeah, I specifically meant the "jeep" UAZ 469 I imagine people are more familiar with
>Bukhanka is UAZ, just different model
that's what he said you moron
I'm fairly sure most new conscripts/mobliks have seen videos from the front, and have an inkling of what awaits them there.
How terrified would you be if it was announced that you were going to attack the enemy front line, and an up-armored loaf pulls up?
Feel free to post yfw.
Made a note in my diary on the way here. Simply says: Blyat.
Sera, send in the mcdonalds playplace
Yes in a way.
Honestly the longer they wait out the bigger the chances that a 71 year old Putin dies of health issues/old age in a country where life expectency is 69 years. If dies then the whole regime collapses as he's the only legitimate source of power in the country and then the war will end. Time is on Ukraine's side.
he has a bunch of doubles so even if he's already dead shit might continue for a while
As much as I'd love the doubles theory, even if it was true, it can last longer than 10-15 years since people would be wtfing at him being 85-90 years and still goin.
Can't*
Are YOU gonna go on Russian TV and say the original Putin is dead?
>be wtfing at him being 85-90 years and still goin.
No country could have a leader that old.
They'd completely lose their mental faculties. They'd be saying random things in interviews, or walking away suddenly.
It would be hilarious.Can you even imagine?
Zimbabwe had Mugabe around into his 90's I think and they're a paragon of success
All Russia would need to do is add some Cholera to their AIDS epidemic and take a wheelbarrow full of roubles to buy a loaf of bread
*whoosh*
I was being very sarcastic
Biden is 81, Trump is 77.
>what is sarcasm
Having seen McConnel forget what he's doing because he thought of a head of butter lettuce being dropped in his pen layer that night, yes. And it's hilarious.
>he thought of a head of butter lettuce being dropped in his pen layer that night, yes
Stop doing drugs.
personally i like to belive that the doubles have forgotten who the real Putin. and that the original is long dead and the country is just ruled by the doubles.
that's an interesting concept, a headless, sleepwalking war machine of a nation horrifying the rest of the globe with their bad choices
You think these are counted as apcs officially produced by Russia?
And Russia is rapidly losing equipment and manpower.
>For Russia, a victory in the ukraine will result in:
>reclaimed status of leading superpower
>dysfunctional nato
>collapse of the eu
>restoration of the warsaw pact/Russian empire
>pushing the US into self-destructive isolationism and possible civil war
>obvious message to China about who is who
huh. I thought victory in Ukraine would lead to years of North Korean style isolation, more/longer sanctions, collapsing demographic and total chaos once Putin dies.
But your assessment seems much more likely.
>I thought
Liar.
I just don't quite understand the connection between using up all your IFVs and the enemy alliance you aren't even at war with collapsing
Russia believes that it is at war with NATO and that NATO's "loss" in Ukraine will lead to the collapse of the alliance. How exactly this should happen and why I do not know, ask the Russians for an explanation.
Its basically a centuries old tug of war over Crimea and the Near East. See the Great game for more info.
Wasn't it also about the -stan shitholes that the USSR got later?
From a geopolitical/military perspective Nato can not take Crimea if the Russians turn the Dnieper into their own personal moat. Plus/minus that is where we are at.
>bring up Great Game
>get asked a question about it
>uuuuh NATO can't take Crimea
Rare to see someone fail at comprehending their own post
Typical Russian behavior, this is what happens when alcoholism is not treated for generations.
ha-ha, time for Subway!
Definitely.
It can only happen this way.
The only thing I can't understand is why it took them so long to realize that conquering Ukraine would yield all these incredible results.
If only they had Ukraine before their last collapse.
This time it will all go according to plan though.
I am not saying the invasion of Ukraine is good. The Russian gdp per capita would likely be $25 000 today instead of $13 000 to $15 000 if the Crimea annexation of 2014 never happened. I am just saying they could one day move on from the war without ever trying to reconcile with Europe.
>instead of $13 000 to $15 000
>meantime in reality they getting 200$ per month salary at best
What a cope I'm nearly shiting myself from lafs
Gdp per capita is a different stat from income.
implessive samegay
but none of those things happened, so they basically just threw away a huge chunk of their child-rearing age population who were also the part of their population that can still work.
I'm not samegayging.
This is me
I'm just agreeing ironically. Read my posts again.
🙂
fair enough, i haven't had any proper sleep for 30 hours now.
That's not really true for either Ukraine or Russia.
>Mishustin
Nah, I think it'll be the schizo Medvedev that will take over after Putin, he's clearly preparing the nation for more war by making really out there statements
I guess Putin unironically believed this while preparing this war. But his plan failed horribly and now everybody knows how weak Russia is.
>the captured territories
Lets be real here, at best they're going to extract all the washing mashines and toilet seats that aren't broken, but those cities will never be anything but a drain on the Russian economy.
And they're not setting up oil rigs in HIMARS range when they can't even secure the refineries in their heartland.
They don't have the technical ability to go build new rigs anyway, western companies built them all, along with pretty much anything else of value in Russia
Yeah, so how is all that going little guy? NATO already weaker? China getting nervous?
>invade a bunch of non-NATO members
>this is going to convince NATO members to leave the alliance, so that they can be invaded next, somehow (???)
It sure worked flawlessly with sweden and finland
Look at poland and the baltics all rushing to the door to leave!
This has to be bait
I know trying to understand Rasha is pointless but
>Sweden and Finland get nervous because you start a war
>they start considering joining NATO (for real this time) as a security assurance
>threaten them with nukes and military power if they do
>this only cements their fears and they join
Pootin has to be completely fricking moronic
>sends some pretty clear messages to all eastern euro states
Yeah, to get nukes
>reclaimed status of leading superpower
how is a couple of extra oblasts meant to achieve such an enormous objective?
>dysfunctional nato
no sign of this happening, best way to achieve this was to sit and wait since it was getting less popular by the day before the war
>collapse of the eu
not happening and even if it did happen it would have nothing to do with this war
>restoration of the warsaw pact
again, some bombed-out oblasts do not a great power make
>pushing the US into isolationism
it has done the opposite and made many people understand why intervention is sometimes good, people are mad at those holding the US back from helping Ukraine more
>obvious message to China
the only message China are getting is "those northern barbarian morons have made re-armament popular again in the West and they don't even have the decency to win their stupid war already"
>resource-rich territories
Russia has failed to take any of Ukraines resource-rich areas so far. No, they haven't taken the Donbas gas fields, either.
>crippling of its geopolitical enemies
Revitalizing and helping NATO expand is "crippling" it now?
And LMAO, what a gigantic pile of cope. All while Russia has become an international laughing stock and is on track of becoming a chinese vassal. As NATO is expanding, as Europe is rearming, as the EU is integrating ever more tightly, as Russias former empire is collectively running from it and as the US are sorting out their moroniation slowly but surely.
*Takes a look at all the western MIC investments slated to come online in late 2024 and 2025*
LMAO, nobody tell them. It'll be funnier that way.
Except it doesn't. Because Ukraine is not a NATO member, and thus not protected by NATO utter and total superiority in conventional warfare nor NATOs nuclear umbrella. NATO can absolutely "survive" a non-member it offered limited support to losing a war.
Also, you know, that's not exactly a problem, what with the entire Russian Army getting exterminated in Ukraine. moron.
Russia has been on a course to become a Chinese vassal for a while now. It was already a topic of discussion back in 1997 when Brzezinski published The Great Chessboard.
Plus, maybe the resource rich regions of Ukraines aren't that essential to Russia. When Brzezinski estimated what would happen if a war between Ukraine and Russia broke out, he pretty much figured Ukraine would be cut in pieces: the pieces Russia would've gotten are strategic for applying their imperialism in the region. And the pieces Brzezinski identified are currently pretty much all under Russia's control.
Obviously, he didn't consider this war breaking out to be a good thing. His plan for the US foreign policies in Ukraine was that Ukraine should be pushed into integrating NATO and EU *without* triggering a war, which implied russian elements in the military and government had to be rooted out first. Considering the defections that followed Maïdan events, it seems like the US didn't heed his advice.
The ultimate goal for Brzezinski being not in Ukraine, but in forcing Russia to join US as a lesser partner against China. Acquiring Ukraine for Russia was supposedly the only way for them to avoid vassalization from either China or the US.
Let them cook.
>Russia has been on a course to become a Chinese vassal for a while now.
... and now it almost is
>Russia has been on a course to become a Chinese vassal for a while now.
Russia is too fricking batshit crazy to be an effective and reliable vassal state to Chinese interests, like Belarus is to Russia. It's like hiring a meth-head to manage your farm and expect him to do good job at it. At best the Chinese will get a vibrant consumer market for their shitty-made electronics.
Russia is a tributary state to China, the fee is a steady supply of young Russian girls to supplement the Male/Female imbalance in China.
>Chinese vassal
At this rate there set to be a North Korean vassal
>They trade mostly with Asian countries now
So in other words, they're being shut out of the vast majority of the global market and suffering massive economic damage through it.
>they could make decent economic gains just by reducing the corruption
LMAO, the first part of this ahlf-sentence is incorrect and the second is deluded.
>The very practical prime minister Mishustin
That's nice. Except he's got none of Putins cult of personality, and dozens and dozens of contenders. The moment Putin kicks the bucket, the knives are gonna come out. There won't be any clear-cut successor.
>But that's better than other countries like China, South Korea, and Japan who'll lose closer to half of their populations by that point.
Not when your territory is so vast and China losing half its population will remain enormous.
It'd be a nice job as the guy who installs cages on russian vehicles. you have a bunch of poly pipe, scrap metal, and chicken wire and every day a different vehicle rolls in for you to decorate. sometimes its a loaf, sometimes a T80. There are no standards so you use artistic flair, you make the vehicle your own.
Nobody expects them to come back and your boss isn't evaluating where your designs failed, the important thing is it the people riding it towards the front line feel cool
What happened to those new trucks that Russia made? Didn't they have a bunch of domestic Hilux knockoffs or similar that they started producing after Syria cooled down because they learned having technicals is actually a good thing?
Money laundry and embezzlement scheme. Russia is a poor little indie racket, sorry
>reclaimed status of leading superpower
lol
>dysfunctional nato
Already is, but now they have more members and are re-arming
>collapse of the eu
No
>restoration of the warsaw pact/Russian empire
Lmao
>pushing the US into self-destructive isolationism and possible civil war
You said it like that’s a bad thing
>obvious message to China about who is who
That message has already been delivered and the message is Russia is a joke
Noooo, not the Ural!
when you said Ural i really hoped they were going to start using these but i suppose it's only a matter of time
god I love sidecars
>god I love sidecars
That's what I tell mine...
why are they doing this when they have like 200000 mtlbs?
Saving them for the final battle with NATO
The issue with reactivating old shit is that it takes a whole lot of time and most hulls are probably unsalvagable.
There's been an uptick of BMP-1's so maybe MT-LB's are next.
Any "hull" that was merely stored rather than blown up is salvageable, but the drivetrain, weapons, power pack and electronics may not be.
Teardown of smashed range target Shermans then making one out of two hulls and other donors shows how simple AFV hulls are to deal with, not that hull splicing is worth it on common hulls. Use the precision parts like turret rings to establish a datum line (term comes from ship hulls and also applies to aircraft) then cut, grind and weld. It's surprisingly simple.
Engine and gearbox work etc is much more demanding unless you've ample spares including gaskets and seals (which will be common unless the designer was a fool). Wiring isn't shit IF you have all the correct connectors etc. is easy though tedious. AFV in many respects are easier than cars because cosmetics aren't a factor and tracked vehicles are simpler than many modern automobiles.
They don't have many MT-LBs left. And as these are not produced anymore also, they are one of the first IFVs to become a critically endangered species because of this war
>https://twitter.com/Jonpy99/status/1779169424064319609
People like Jonpy are just chuds for the Ukrainian side.
Your pic isn't in any way related here. You just outed yourself as a chud
Those chuds think that just because Russia's moved a vehicle it's been "used" and that it's not being stored elsewhere.
We've seen multiple times trains of vehicles moving straight from mil storage bases heading straight to Ukraine. No point in creating a new intermediary storage site.
>this chuds work on visual evidence and not make believe positive vibes about secret storages where Puccia holds all those working BMPs
>You just outed yourself as a chud
Always have been
You can't make this shit up people, the orcs call the best of them chuds, it's like it was meant to be
Well, shit. RIP MT-LBs. Last major war effort these guys ever then. We'll still see them in limited numbers by other countries, but none have serious numbers of them.
Good thing NATO isn't just about tanks and tube artillery, which Russia seems to bafflingly think it is.
Why would countries leave a defensive alliance after watching a country not in the alliance get invaded? Finland and Sweden joined NATO because they no longer felt safe outside it after the 2022 invasion. Rhetoric has only gotten stronger and a lot of countries are actually preparing for conflict.
The EU has defensive clauses built into it as well.
This. Ukraine is losing because they're still losing territory, just like how Nazi Germany won World War 2 after the Allies and Soviets lost all of that territory
My brother, NATO would've easily died within the century had it not been for Russia chimping out.
This. Europe was being lazy as shit until they realized the US wouldn't just handle shit for free immediately.
What? NATO's military isn't just tanks and tube artillery, which morons like yourself think is all they could muster and Russia would have no trouble dealing with them. If that's the case, why isn't Russia invading the Baltic states to reclaim rightful Russian clay from 'fake Nazi states'?
Why spread yourself thin over such a large front? They're next, don't you worry
>They're next
They're not. It's Kazakhstan next. Russia has already said so.
So you're saying that 298 patrol boats, 153 minesweepers, 144 submarines, 135 frigates, 112 destroyers, 56 corvettes and 17 aircraft carriers are not enough to fight Russia? What about adding 615 tanker aircraft, 970 reconnaissance aircraft, 1,506 transport aircraft, 1,108 ground attack aircraft, 3,398 fighter/interceptor aircraft and 8,614 helicopters? What about adding 11,309 main battle tanks, 5,909 towed artillery, 4,637 self-propelled artillery, 1,868 self-propelled rocket artillery and 849,808 armoured vehicles?
Do you think that might be able to hold out against Russia (which has lost over 15,000 military vehicles so far) for two weeks or should I start learning Russia and get HIV right now?
>b-b-but they're not all working!
Okay then divide what I posted by 50%. Will that hold? What about we say only 10% of that is available.
So, 30 patrol boats, 15 minesweepers, 14 submarines, 14 frigates, 11 destroyers, 6 corvettes, 2 aircraft carriers, 62 tanker aircraft, 97 reconnaissance aircraft, 150 transport aircraft, 110 ground attack aircraft, 340 fighter/interceptor aircraft, 816 helicopters, 1130 main battle tanks, 509 towed artillery, 464 self-propelled artillery, 186 self-propelled rocket artillery and 8498 armoured vehicles? What about that?
hard to open something that never closed to begin with.
Except there are NATO forces and equipment in Poland. There is also airbases from NATO nations in range. How exactly do you invade Poland while your opponent can park naval assets off the coast and launch aircraft and missiles at your forces? Do you not understand the difference here? This isn't about 'sending aid' this is 'NATO can attack Russian forces directly'. Do you not understand this? How are you THIS moronic? You think that if Russia invades Poland, there won't be one of 17 aircraft carriers in the Baltic Sea within a week? Do you think that F-35's, Typhoons, Gripens, Rafaels etc won't be launching from any airbase in Europe to launch missiles at Russian targets? Do you think destroyers won't be setting up AA fields and launching missiles at Russian targets? That's ignoring Poland's own standing military.
>How exactly do you invade Poland while your opponent can park naval assets off the coast and launch aircraft and missiles at your forces?
No aircraft and missiles will be launched because "muh escalation". Simple as.
But you're attacking a NATO member, if nothing happens, you're letting your forces be killed for no reason. So, don't think they will just let it happen.
We live in a cucked world. Why die for Tallinn and all that.
Why are we now in Estonia when we were in Poland? And the same applies, there are NATO troops and equipment there. I don't think NATO states will allow their forces to be killed and just leave it.
>Why die for Tallinn and all that
i kinda miss the rabid anti-soviet rhetoric among western leaders and the mainstream public discourse that was prevalent during the cold war, when it was
>better red than dead
>they'll pay dearly for every inch they take
>udssr is our greates enemy
>we stand together, one for all and all for one
nowadays western populations are utterly demoralized after getting properly israelitewed out financially and culturally by globalism, leftist propaganda and all kinds of shitholes poisoning the well via black propaganda. it's a real bummer the american enthusiasm for war was wasted on decade long fricking around in the desert instead of doing what it was made for from the beginning of the cold war - pissing off commies and being crazy prepared to eradicate them when it comes to war in europe or the american continent
>better red than dead
kek, the other way around. not how it is nowadays lol
>2030 NATO opfor is just Airsoft larp gear in old trucks with fpv spam.
That was pretty much just ISIS so yeah
this.
sadly i can't find the clip but mariupol and some of the other ukrainian places they captured get flooded with churkoids as well. basically they bombed the russian speaking diaspora into oblivion, had them flee to europe/russia or abducted many of them only to then replace 'em with rabid central asian mudslimes
please bring back ip counters to btfo obvious samegays
Again, NATO forces are in all four of those nations. No nation is going to let their military equipment and personnel get killed and do nothing in return.
And? USA also looked the other way when Russian aircraft pilots, in Russian aircraft, shot down American aircraft in Vietnam. So? If you think that's the same as Russia attacking a NATO member and (here is the key thing here) every single member of the alliance backs out then you're moronic. If USA backs out (note, again, NATO isn't just USA) then it is essentially giving up its position as the global superpower and that means lots of money lost which means, guess what, the country suffers. So you literally have no benefit for backing out of the alliance you set up and have maintained. That is, again, ignoring the rest of the NATO forces in those nation which is a lot of nations that have to back out and ruin their global standing. Your kind of thinking is exactly what caused WW1 to spiral out of control.
>The Russians won't defend the Serbs
>The British won't defend the Belgians
And WW2
>The British won't defend the Poles
Etc.
If Putin (and you) are so sure that NATO won't do anything why aren't they attacking NOW? I mean, Putin has regularly said that the Baltic states are fake states that are Russian really and Russian culture and don't real languages or cultures or anything and are full of Russophobic Nazis, so why isn't he reclaiming rightful Russian clay if Russia won't have to fight NATO won't have to do aynthing? I mean the defence forces of those states are so miniscule even Russia could do it. So why aren't they doing it?
Then why isn't Russia doing it right now if you're so sure? If you're so sure, Putin must know, so why isn't he?
>If USA backs out (note, again, NATO isn't just USA) then it is essentially giving up its position as the global superpower
And that's the russian plan. Cause a shitfest and show the world that US is dysfunctional, leading to the collapse of the normal world order. While morons in the US still think shit like "we can't give ukies weapons, because russia losing would be bad" and "we need russia as an ally against chinks".
Because playing tard wrangler in the ME isnt politically volatile
>The very practical prime minister Mishustin, who cares a lot more about economics than waging wars, may be Putin's successor.
No way. He's a bureaucrat not a charismatic strongman leader. Russia likes those.
What neutral countries does Russia have left to attack in Europe, Switzerland and Austria?
>What neutral countries does Russia have left to attack in Europe, Switzerland and Austria?
Ireland but both the Russians and Irish would enjoy that far too much so it can't be a war and is postponed until both sides stops saying 'Hell Yeah!" and discussing respectively rape, carbombs, fertilizer, potatos and alcohol
helmettard, what's with this strange new obsession?
did you give up on your obsession with the F22's helmet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=0CNGo7OAM0o
>lol what tanks does nato have?
>doesnt the average EU nation have single digit functioning tanks?
monke believed the same pile of shit you mongoloid are chimping about right now. Didnt go so well for him
well then if the measures are sooo ineffective your type certainly wont care if they stay on indefinitely
>well then if the measures are sooo ineffective your type certainly wont care if they stay on indefinitely
That always shuts them up, lol.
and I hope you end up in ukrainian FPV drone footage pidor
yes, yes. You are very demoralized. Now sit back and cry in the corner as the vatnik hordes get slaughtered doing their rush b blyatkrieg
>lmfao, if you think a single American boot would ever touch dirt to defend fricking poland or estonia
They're already there, moron.
Yes, American boots are on the ground in Poland. They wouldn't be there if they weren't meant to be used in combat at all.
Your point?
soldiers are misteriously evacuated from nato beases in those countries the day before the invasion
This fanfiction aint it sandeep gupta
>America would never abandon an ally as soon as shit gets real
>False dichotomy
I appreciate your sliminess and professional glavset homosexualry, at least. They usually send angrier and more moronic roosters to do your job.
>diplomats = solders
lol lmaososo from that rooster
>Afghanistan
>Ally
>give them everything
>flee and give up almost immediately
Yeah if you are not ready to stand on your own after 20 years you don't deserve any more help lol
>Then anon woke up
I was told by /misc/ that Ukraine was the "New Israel" run by the tyrant Zelensisraelite sending the goys to die? When did that change?
No sorry, that inflammatory rhetoric was meant for someone else. Please listen to the other radicalizing speeches and ignore that one, thanks
>Iraqi government
>talibans
enough krokodil for today, ivan
How many Russian soldiers remained in Afghanistan to prop up the socialist Afghan government after they ran away like cowardly Black folk?
Oh and additionally just like Black folk as they retreated the Russianslaunched one of the biggest artillery and aerial bombardments of the war on peaceful villages near their exit route like the spiteful Black folk they are.
I understand the road the Russians took is still stained yellow from all the russians pissing their pants as they left.
Ukraine is literally not our allies, and yet, simply giving them money still proves to do a decent enough job of bleeding russia dry.
>American-aligned iraqi government against talibans
what a moron lol lmaososo
I'm not an American. In fact I come from a country nominally aligned with Russia and I can't stand russians. Pretty sure the feeling is widespread throughout the country and government as well and as soon as the Russian bribe money dries up, so will the """friendship""".
The war showed that you just need ANY shit to get to the enemy's trench and dismount - THAT's IT. Therefore, it is stupid to laugh at the turtle tank or this ural.
No, the war shows that Ukraine needs more artillery & mortar ammo.
They shouldn't have skipped right away to the wooden badger...
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