The absolute state of the Russian army. Ran out of so many missiles that they're now using S-300s to attack ground targets.
The absolute state of the Russian army.
The absolute state of the Russian army. Ran out of so many missiles that they're now using S-300s to attack ground targets.
no wonder, they were using anti-ship missiles against cities for a long time. Why not anti-air one too?
you need to launch the enemy into the air with your first missile then juggle with AA to increase your style rating
If you can hit them with an artillery shell afterwards, that's a fairly reliable SSS-rank combo.
I'll allow it
I don't think that is possible.
Russia... finds a way.
The S-300 has a ground-attack mode.
ukies will still propagandize it anyways
The command center basically steers the missile until terminal guidance takes over. It's probably not a stretch to just have command skip the last step and steer the missile into the ground.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
Where is it? Or where isn't it? Is it?
Everyone is always asking where the missile is or isn't. But no one is asking how the missile is.
>Autism: The Post
God damned tourists don't even know the 20 year old missile copypasta
it's not a Tomahawk, silly
Perfectly possible, some Soviet SAMs like the S-125M1 had ground attack capabilities. There was a ЗEMЛЯ selector you could flip, putting the missile in a ballistic trajectory. The missile being radioguided to its target by the FCS.
After all, they have HE-frag warheads.
Some ship mounted SAMs are capable of surface to surface engagements, the FCR just points at the ship you want to hit, the sea doesn't clutter as much as the ground.
I'm not aware of any other SAM system having a predefined ground attack mode though, but it's not impossible to convert such missile into a ballistic missile, they already have impact and proximity fuses, you just need basic guidance.
It's possible.
However at the same time this is certainly bullshit. Ukrainian governors have been known to just spout random claims without anything to back them up since the start of the war, and this one is really stupid.
That being said I have nodoubt that Russians have long been forced to use "non-traditional" missiles for ground attack, but these would be shit like anti-ship missiles - not the AA ones.
True, I quoted the S-125M but the ground attack mode only had a 17km range, basically half the range of the missile against air targets.
A volley of grads would have a similar range with a considerably higher effectiveness than a single S-300 with piss poor accuracy, and I sincerely doubt Russia ran out of grad rockets.
Actually it's not implausible Russians would use AA in a ground attack role. They did it in WWII, deploying anti-air weapons as anti-infantry weapons.
WTF AN S-300 FLEW OVER THE REICHSTAG
Didn't know they had radar guided SAMs in the 40s.
Shilkas and Tunguskas have always been used for ground support.
are you seriously comparing depressing the elevation of M1939 (61-K) to blow up bunch of krauts to somehow using S-300s against ground targets across half of ukraine
I'm saying the Russians are fricking idiots trying to emulate "Muh Glorious WWII against Nazi Germany" while not understanding the actual substance of it.
For example, trying Soviet Human Wave without fricking LEND-LEASE.
If there are no aircraft to shoot down, why not?
>If there are no aircraft to shoot down, why not?
Ukrainian aircraft of all sorts are still flying anon.
That is obviously unless you believe the official Russian claims of destroying 250% of Ukrainian air force in the first two days of the war.
Yeah but they surely have more S-300's than they need and if the claims about their missile supplies are correct, they might have to resort to that.
>Heyifitworks.jpg
Ukrainian aircraft should switch to hitting the soft targets, like the Russian Artillery Ammo Supplies.
Trains, trucks, depots.....anything that keeps the Russian Invasion from collapsing.
The S-200 had a command post guidanance - basically the operator control the missile. Also the SA-75 can be fired on a balistic arc.
They used the Flak 88 in an anti-tank role so I don't see why not?
>noguns comparing "point and shoot" tube AA with radar guided AA
>noguns
Were talking about AA missiles here. Unless you live in Ukraine I don't think you've got one parked in your driveway.
>inb4 some richgay actually owns a Buk
You can buy old Czech T-72s for less than a Tesla. Lmao at the notanks.
Ballistic A-A being retired is some bullshit. Slap a radar on every IFV/APC with a high-velocity 20-57mm autocannon, add some programmable shells into a standard ammo loadout, enjoy cheap and versatile A-A cover that works against ground targets.
So basically a recipe for an ideal Ukrainian Technical.
This is coming back. https://youtu.be/bdwjcayPuag
Remember everyone you all shouted at the Germans and called then cowards until they started rearming. Remember you did that when someone with a german accent is screaming that your childs papers are wrong and it will have to be liquidated to make the district quota adequate
nah germans are still homosexuals
Well reality does not bend along what you think is possible. A lot of AA stuff has a g2g option available just in case of "oh shit we'd really need a missile over there right now but all we got is this AA stuff". Picture related, Sidewinder being test fired against a ground target. Also
>there's more planes in the oceans than ships at the sky. Just because you shouldn't, dosen't mean you won't.
Why wouldn't it be possible?
Why wouldn't you outfit your 1,500kg missile carrying a 150kg blast fragmentation warhead with a ground attack mode?
Do you think the 20,000 metal fragments in the warhead, or the burning fuel wouldn't do any damage to a ground target?
>my face when you shoot me with an anti-material rifle using armor piercing bullets while I'm clearly unarmored personnel
Likely a similar mode to Standard Missile being used in surface attack mode.
>USS Simpson responded to the challenge by firing four Standard missiles, while Wainwright followed with one Standard missile.[9] All missiles hit and destroyed the Iranian ship's superstructure but did not immediately sink it, so Bagley fired a Harpoon of its own.
Standards are designed to be dual use. S-300s are absolutely not.
I'm more surprised they're able to use a S300 on land because of the radar clutter. I doubt there's any realistic accuracy in comparison to Standards being used to nail a ship at sea.
You see ivan, for when you invert radar altimeter, ground becomes the sky
Ah, so that means Moskva is airship now, yes?
It's real in their minds, anon. Some boomers will believe any and every negative claim against Russia in this conflict. I remember reading early in the war that Russia was out of missiles and going to be out of ammo 'in two weeks.' The next day Russia had blown the living shit out of a barracks with foreign fighters and a weapons depot...USING MISSILES THEY HAD RUN OUT OF.
Russians and Russia media sources are full of shit too. But if something out of Ukraine sound too good to be true, then it probably is.
>Russia was out of missiles
Nobody claimed that Ivan.They said that russia was running low on modern missles.Which is the case.
>lost in a field of strawmen
We're sending more HIMARS, Sergay. Kiss your butthole goodbye.
>russians have infinite piles of ammo for everything
>reduced to using modified aa-missiles as pgms and firing rpgs upright as makeshift mortarsand fielding tanks from early 1960s
The 2nd strongest army in the world, everyone.
Tbh Weatern countries stockpiles probably aren't that much better. Pretty sure no country in the world is actually prepared for a war of such scale. Vatniks were just moronic and thought they'd march without opposition. Probably never would've attacked in the first place if they knew there would be so much fighting. Now it's just sunk cost fallacy.
This is absolutely the case.
Only Western military that is capable of actually sustaining a prolonged peer to peer war for longer than couple of weeks is the US, and even there they would quickly run into issues with the supply of more modern ammunitions and systems.
Obviously one very fricking important thing to keep in mind is that the combined western military-technological superiority over any potential adversary is so hilariously overpowered that any such war would probably not last more than couple of weeks in the first place. If Russia got into conventional war with NATO you'd have Estonians marching into ruins of Vladivostok in like a week lmao.
Our weapons hit their targets, we don't need as many to cripple a country.
Remember when the US, France and the UK launched over a hundred cruise missiles on Assad? It was mostly forgotten, only a few ships took part in the operation and it didn't put a dent in our arsenals.
Sure it didn't do much in Syria, mostly because there wasn't a whole lot to destroy considering the state of the country, but it did frick at least one airfield.
Very likely the main reason why west is so slow to help and every delivery is connected to weapon transfers in west. Probably barely have enough for their own comfort.
Not even remotely true. Sending new guided 155 shells too.
"SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: First of all, the Ukrainians have substantial stores still -- or, you know, equipment stores of the standard 155 millimeter -- they're using every day and that's the use rate you quoted -- you know, 3,000 a day that they are using. So they have stores of that. They're not out of that.
We've supplied it, other countries have supplied that. We are -- in response to an earlier question, I made clear, you know, we know what their use rate is, we know what their store rate is, and we're monitoring that as we continue to supply them capabilities. So that was one of the reasons why that was not a capability that was required in this package.
The reason for providing this capability in this package was because the Ukrainians have asked for it, they've asked for more precision capabilities, and HIMARS are not the limit of what the United States is able to provide them for precision capabilities."
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3088129/senior-defense-official-holds-a-background-briefing/
>Tbh Weatern countries stockpiles probably aren't that much better.
They are though, I'm in a neutral EU nation don't want to say which one and know we have enough small arms and AT and AA to 20x our standing army and supply it with ammo. Russia is shit. I've always suspected Russia was shit as well and I've actually had some ex Russia spetznatz vdvd type boys who I did contract work with try and convince me that any of the western countries could invade Russia and win and that Russia would be better off if someone did invade it and I did not believe them it was a running joke but they seriously would not work with most Russians unless they were ex FFL
It's not necessarily sunk cost fallacy. If they back out now, it proves two things:
>Russian aggression can be repelled in a conventional conflict
and
>NATO and EU will assist the attacked nation.
They're going to lose sabre-rattling as a coercive tool for decades or more.
In a sense, they have no choice but to go all-in and gamble on the possibility that Western support will cease in the long run.
The Second strongest army in the ex ussr, maybe.
>firing rpgs upright as makeshift mortars
That's not that bad. Its been a thing at least since 2003 Iraq.
have infinite piles of ammo for everything
It all got used up. 30 fricking years of selling it off or just dumping it off at discounted prices to fuel 3rd world wars and insurrections burned through all that ammo.
So about 30 years of production, 1960-1990 took about 30 years to use it all up. Sounds about right.
>Buy cheapass Garmin from store
>Input destination as where you want to kaboom
>Tape GPS onto missile body
>Hit 'start' on screen
>"Weapon now has guidance. Launch!"
>t. Russian "technologist"
>You see, people wonder if we aren't just wasting money on GPS trackers and tape
>But in reality we are saving money, before we had to spend dozens of hours lecturing and briefing missiles on their targets
>Now any missile is ready to hit their target the moment it appears with no need of prior briefing and with negligible men hours
>forget that civilian GPS chips have built-in shutoffs when rate of change indicates that the velocity is over 500mph
>missile goes wild and misses target
>no difference noted from expected accuracy or function
All my civilian GPS work fine in airliners flying >500 mph so this is clearly a myth
> Civilian grade gps
> on a literal rocket
Yeah that will work out great
>"Recalculating! Turn left now!"
>Missile isn't a human so it keeps flying straight
The GPS in your phone is probably more accurate than the best GLONASS system
Might as well just drop GLONASS sats from space to see if they hit something.
Why don't they use Beidou then
>Russians do something stupid
Gonna call BS on that. Don't think you can rig those missiles to do that that quickly
never underestimate russian ingenuity in regards to being stupid
belarus was experimenting with this idea back around 2011, so it's not a new idea.
s-300 missles are multi purpose. They have been designed to serve as AA but also Anti ship in some cases. If vatnik shoot AS missles to ground targets already, they can use AA as AS as Land target missle.
But it will propably suck in accuracy
How does the missiles track the target? The S-300 complex’s FCR points up and the missiles are semi-active. Even if they’re using ancient command guided missiles from the 80s, how do the SAM operator see the ground target?
For this to be somewhat possible the missile would need at least some form of internal guidance (INS, GPS, etc) and some method for discriminating targets (TV, IR, etc). AFAIK no missile variant of the S-300 has these features.
>track the target
Third party OTH guidance maybe?
Politics aside, Russians are very clever inventors. For whatever reason, they seem to have a knack for becoming chess masters, creating satellites, and designing guns.
They're a strange people, but I've always admired the way they think.
>Ukrainian government official says
Yawn. What's next, you gonna post Zelensky's twitter?
>U.S. state controlled social media gay says
lmao so is this the new amerimutt coping mechanism for their HIMORID wunderwaffe failing?
clearly the HIMARoids are hurting, when you have so few ammo dumps left that you start shooting the AA munitions at ground targets, unguided
Makes many sense
Russia destroyed Ukie air force already
So no need for SAM missiles
how well does it work? S-300 obviously has a explosive payload but what about the guidance system and such? what do they target? civilian housing?
How do you even keep your ammo from getting blown up in modern war anyway? I mean sattelites and drones are taking video of everything you are doing, seems like it would be a bit hard to hide your ammo depots.
Achieve air superiority and just absolutely obliterate the enemy artillery that could endanger your depots.
Simple as. It's what the actually capable military (i.e. the West) would have done.
Yeah yeah, whatever. I don't care about propaganda.
All I wanna know is why haven't they lost yet?
It's worked against Germany and Napoleon...
They can't afford to lose 20 million people with their current demographics.
against germany they had lend lease
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm waiting for the eventual T-72B Obr. 2022 production lines to get set up, any upgrades are electronics confiscated from civilians
Reminds me, did anyone screencap that post about a Russian tank with silicon from a washing machine where the turret rotates in one direction for 20 minutes, stops, agitates, then turns the other direction?
hue
I remember that thread. It was a fricking godlike tier one
Lol
>Thomas Sankara on pfp
It's a tankoid, everyone. This is probably not a joke.
>He thinks russia can manufacture their vaporware tank faster than the west can produce AT weapons
No wait, let me rephrase that!
>He thinks russia can manufacture their vaporware tank
No, no. Still not quite right.
>He thinks russia can manufacture
one tank for three days? so they have made 40 since the war started? that's a net loss of 800 tanks. It will be 2030 before they are back at the same number.
Assuming they can even make a tank every three days
I thought T-14s required parts that were sanctioned?
Well the French have been skirting sanctions to sell advanced optics to Russia so that fine.
Napoleon got fricked so hard France got cententially cucked.
>second gen diy kits from the 90s
>advanced optics
If things keep going as the currently are into the next year Chang should really think about sending a few waves of bugmen to take over Russia.
And then in hilarious irony, the West ends up arming Russian Insurgents to tie up China in a long brutal war.
Russia is a big landmass and fricking cold. Lot of places to hide from the Chinese.
We may wipe out two foes with one stone. A Russian Insurgency could bleed out the Chinese military.
how is a war with china going to affect the price of next year's iphone? that's my concern here
>the price of next year's iphone
Production costs halved, iPhone price tripled, like usual.
>a russian insurgency can bleed out the chinese military
...and then India sends millions of rapey poos to shit off the side of the great wall
>India gets the great wall in peace deal
>designated as a shitting street
>weeks of constant shitting bring ground level to the top of the wall
>its visible from space now as a brown smear around the edge of china
>...and then India sends millions of rapey poos to shit off the side of the great wall
...and then Pakistan sends millions of poo loo's to get some fair Indian maidens
gentlemen, I think we just achieved world peace
Oh well. Guess we gotta blow up even more Russian Ammo Supplies, lol.
Vatnik here. It's possible, but the most likely reason for using these is not what everyone thinks.
After 24/03, every military factory went into 3-shift production.
NATO intervention never happened, so now MoD sits on a mountain of A-A and A-S missiles, but not enough cruise missiles, because their production is still ramping up to match the consumption rates.
So the old A-A and A-S missiles have to go.
Surprised a few older ICBMs' didn't hit Kiev with kinetic (empty & filled with metal) warheads yet. Probably because those might be confused for a nuclear first strike by NATO 'partners'.
>Probably because those might be confused for a nuclear first strike by NATO 'partners'.
Because ICBMs have absolute piss trash accuracy, with multi kilometer wide CEPs. Typically you don't really care about CEP with a nuke, the blast radius and number of warheads compensates for it, and the warheads themselves have their own terminal guidance.
Taking the risk of launching empty ICBMs and having them land 10 km from the target is the most moronic idea ever.
Good lie troony
Civilian GPS devices have some protection from the military use. I think nowadays it detects suspicious activity based on velocity and switches off.
They use garmin GPS in their Su-34s so obviously no.
>Garmin GPS
Programmed for fastest time or shortest distance, lol?
doesn't matter because the map hasn't been updated in a decade so it'll get lost either way.
I didn't know about it, but seems legit. The official website says there are no restrictions anymore.
https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/sa/
Wrong. Selective Degradation has been turned off, but the COCOM limits still apply. Basically civil GPS units are legally required to have a cutoff that prevents them from being used at extreme speeds or altitudes so you can't slap them in a ICBM.
Anyone country with a degree of technical competence can(and probably has) worked around it, but it's still there.
Sounds like a potential recipe for Ukrainian sabotage.
Drop some faulty GPS units into Russian hands but hide the flaws until they actually launch.
>Drop some faulty GPS units
?
GPS is dead simple, it's just an antenna receiving regular signals from the GNSS, all the work is done internally by algorithms. Russians only need GPS antennas, which you can buy bulk on Aliexpress.
GPS devices don't send data to the satellites, it's a one way communication.
So far they've used commercial GPS devices because it's more convenient, see the Garmin GPS in the Su-34, but in case of shortage, they're not stuck, they can just funnel some components from China.
Heavy SAMs are command guided so I don't see why they couldn't do that, not taking an ukrainian for his word on this however.
The limits only activate in ballistic missile use. 1000 knots + above 59k ft altitude.
So then just use a GPS module and a Raspberry Pi.
imagine still believing NATO troony lies in 2022
bet you thought Elon - Trans son - Musk when he said he would buy Twitter
Imagine sucking Putin's wiener this hard in any year.
I bet you troonys think about sucking wiener a lot
Russia is running low on everything with a processor, but this seems like bullshit.
I'll readily believe it if they show me a video though.
Propaganda is awesome.
Who is telling the truth.
Why should I believe them.
So fun.
Oh I know this one, not the Russians. Their culture is built around half-truths and flat out lying to your face, even when you know they are doing it.
Why is a Korean dude governing Ukraine?
They're finished scraping the barrel and are now recycling the barrel itself.
>then you realise OTAN anticipated this and held back deliveries of F16s until russian air defence supplies are depleted
it ok, barrel have lot of wood we throw wood at ukraine to win war
A smart way of disposing of older ammunitions.
CEP:2km
>they're now using S-300s to attack ground targets
getting desperate huh
>Ukrainian mayor says…
How did this become a /k/ thread?
that sucks, so whats the daily kill ratio now 999 UKies vs 48 vatnicks?
nah, that cant be true, thats so desperate i dont even think its possible, ill wait until pics for confirmation
>The absolute state of the Russian army.
Collapses the Ukro front lines and tells NATO to bring it
I'd say it is in a pretty good state
S300 has a secondary surface to surface mode with inertial guidance using radio updates, belarus was testing this function back in 2011
>Ukrainian AA misfires, hits a civilian building
>civilians upset
>"uh actually it was Russians repurposing their AA to hit buildings and sneaking them close to hit the town"
>/k/ falls for it
Really, Black folk?
It's actually funnier to think you might really believe this
>Ukrainian AA crew fires a missile and it hits a civilian building
>"Oh blyat Taras, we need coverup"
>Pick up satellite phone to joint SBU/CIA headquarters
>Within minute a cleanup crew pulls up to the wreckage in a truck
>Meticulously clean up debris of the AA missile
>Plant fake debris of a Russian S-300, pre-manufactured in secret Polish underground factory
>Round up civilians who saw the cleanup crew, shoot them with Russian bullets purchased on darkweb
>Round up civilians who saw the missile trail, do same
>Shoot the AA crew
>Shoot themselves
>Call the lying western press to the scene
>6 casualties due to missile misfire, another 18 due to coverup, SBU congratulates themselves on another successful act of slander against poor defenseless Russia
>Meticulously clean up debris of the AA missile
>Plant fake debris of a Russian S-300, pre-manufactured in secret Polish underground factory
?
I don't get the hate for dual purpose missiles. Is it optimal or efficient to use expensive ass SAM/Anti-ship missiles for ground targets no, but having that capability just in case is a plus in my book
SAM missiles need to be smol and fast, ground attack missiles need to be big and make big boom.
big, fast, and makes a big boom. It's basically a anti-air-quasi-ballistic missile
>It's totally russians launching s-300s as ground attack and not our AA failing
Don't worry redditors and twitter turds will eat it up
How the governor of a Ukrainian town know what Russia is sending to them to explode?
Even if this is true, and even if the accuracy is closer than a kilometer or so ...
What is the explosive yield for these missiles? They would be pretty devastating to an aircraft, But to just about anything else they would take a pinpoint, direct hit to present a danger.
Just more terror weapons to terrorize civilians being used by a terrorist state.
>all the vlatBlack person bait is being ignored
I'm proud of you morons today
It's a feature for 3rd worldsers to get discount balistic missiles is my guess
the absolute state of twitter echo chamber parroting hohol propaganda, and gullible /k/ mouthbreaters regurgitating their shit. what month of "russia will be running out of missiles any day now" are you even on at this point? russophobia truly is a mental disease
meanwhile in reality, russia outproduces the entire west in pgms, and will be able to keep up this rate up pretty much indefinitely. just in case you trannies needed a heads-up that the world outside of twitter and reddit still exists.
>meanwhile in reality, russia outproduces the entire west in pgms
You're joking, right? You can't actually be this moronic to actually believe that.
Well ,then, I suppose it's time to take the gloves off and start applying some real sanctions with real consequences. No need to slow down the weapons supplies and humanitarian aid. Russia stronk, these things don't matter anyway. Let's put some real pain into it, start stripping some of "the rules" away.
I'm good with that. A nice potato famine for this winter with no food aid, recognition of any and all territories that want to break away from the Russian Federation and balkanize (further) the former USSR, confiscation of resources and assets to pay for the murder and destruction spree.
There are still quite a few things that can be brought to the table. Until your balls pop.
You did this to yourself, vodka Black person. Redemption is no longer an option.