>NATO
Lol. Do you even know how NATO works, anon? Article 5 is a worthless security guarantee, since it leaves assistance to an attacked party to the latitude of the members. How many of the 29 members are willing to go to war to Russia over some irrelevant shitholes?
Invest what? Lithuania, the biggest of the three did decide to buy 54 Leo2a8s and this has left the politicians scrambling to figure out where to get the 2 billion (a year's military budget) to get them.
What's it like to be in a tiny military like that?
Other militaries also have infantry units and I don't think a grunt gets to witness the whole might of a huge army anyway. So probably like that, except you get to go home on the weekends because the base is at most 2 hours away from home.
Ukraine isn't in NATO and I fear that it will never be a full member but after the EU and the US pussying out on supporting them after only 2 years, I can see plenty of politicians deciding to throw the Baltics under the bus with similar attempts to not escalate too hard or too fast.
Not that Russia can afford to attack them for the next 20 years anyway LOL
In a world of T I G E R S you train to be a porcupine. Nasty, highly mobile, lightly armoured shoot-and-scoot attacks, ambushes, developing pretty good JTAC/TACP capabilities with knowledge of the local terrain and circumstances..all that.
Until recently they had a strategy to use the baltic states as a trip wire and then the rest of nato swoops in and expels the russians but Bucha changed that. Now there is a lot of talk expanding Nato military presence in the baltics
matter of fact if you kept israelite war mongers away, you don't need tanks, you just make every male join the army , 12 weeks basic, 24 weeks some specialty, 15 months ball scratching and go home with rifle. every village has a depot next to a bar and a few trucks and you have to go there every 3rd month and shoot. That how you europ shoud do it.
US put 8,000 officers in Germany with logistics and intelligence on the same weekend Russia attacked. Not working out so good for them when you paratroop and the enemy has been waiting for you since you took pff.
>matter of fact if you kept israelite war mongers away
Unfortunatly history has shown that Russia allways has and allways will be israeli war mongers tho, so that dream scenario wont happen
They have 1 million people total a piece. It's more like a Vatican situation. Anyone attacking them would piss off the actual powers that be. Old money wants them preserved. It's like Ireland I guess. If Putin tried direct war he'd be killed.
I mean Ireland's only neighbor is what, Britain? And the bongs have pretty much made it clear they have no interest on retaking the island and are happy with just the northern bit Well I suppose France could also try a naval invasion, but that is unlikely
>are happy with just the northern bit
Do the Brits even want the northern bit or is it more a case of "this situation is uncomfortable but mentioning it could make it far more uncomfortable so we'll just ignore it"?
why can't world leaders understand that border gore triggers my autism?
I don't care which parties do or don't want it that shit needs to get fixed
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I'm convinced this is the main reason why Irish "reunification" (the only time the island has been united is when Britain owned all of it) is so popular with redditors and americans
you just think the map would look better if RoI controlled it all
Sure, there was a genocide in the past and other bad shit since then, but the same goes for countless causes far less widely sung than Ireland
Mechanized/regular infantry, ATGMs mortars and artillery
NATO allies can afford, and quickly transport the fancy SAM systems/fighter jets etc if shit hits the fan, but they cant quickly ship 200 000 guys with infantry equipment to fill trenches
Tanks are deprecated as a concept and IFVs and artillery are more important. Wouldn't make sense for one of these countries to bankrupt themselves maintaining an air force when Russia has invested so heavily into air defenses.
>Tanks are deprecated as a concept
This is complete fricking nonsense, tanks are still very useful. They're direct fire guns with heavy frontal armor, they have amazing fire control, thermals, etc and can kill basically anything except another equivalent MBT or a really souped up hardened bunker.
They're not useful in the case of the baltic countries because they are unlikely to go on deep offense (which is what tanks are made for, and most useful for) and are instead going to do a series of defensive actions until the country is overrun or heavier backup arrives. You can do the same thing with a metric frickton of ATGM teams/mortars without the need to fuel them to the same degree or maintain them pre-war. Just have a storage depot with Javelins and hand them out when shit gets hairy.
IFVs do the same thing and are generally killed with the same tools used to kill tanks, so they're not actually meaningfully less armored. Under what circumstances is a 120mm gun absolutely required and nothing less can get the job done, but also you don't have the ability to call in aircraft/drone/artillery strike to handle it?
Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds, charging across fields, running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits, a billion other things. Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army? Shut the frick up moron.
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>Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
IFVs can do this too, you know it's possible to put something larger than a 30mm gun on one, right? >charging across fields
Are fields known for stopping IFVs? >running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits
Tanks can't do this, either. >a billion other things.
Very descriptive. >Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army?
I bet you think the US Army is stupid for procuring the M10. The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it.
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You're a stupid fricking moron and nobody cares about you online or in person. Truly the dumbest post I've seen in months.
1 month ago
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You're right, I'm moronic and it's impossible for an IFV like a CV90 to fire on tanks with sabot rounds. However, you are mistaken in thinking no one cares about me, obviously you do since you're still responding.
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the lack of argumentation is striking
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>Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
this is oddly specific, why would it matter what kind of round or fire arc you use as long as the tank is mission killed?
IFVs cannot facilitate breakthrough attacks. Also, even if in a minor sense an IFV can perform an assault, it'd take far greater casualties than a tank force would. An IFV cannot mount a significant cannon, cannot mount an active protection system, does not have the armor to withstand anti-tank rounds (and yes, tanks do in fact have the armor to absorb significant attack), and after adding that shit would more than double the weight of the vehicle it STILL would take more casualties than a tank.
What would tanks accomplish for them that other equipment can't replicate? They're universally going to be on the defense at the beginning of any war. Anything anti-armor is perfectly fine instead.
>Baltics population: 6.2 million >post soviet economic rot still being recovered from
>Singapore population: 5.5 million >an economic hub in east asia
Slight difference.
>Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
IFVs can do this too, you know it's possible to put something larger than a 30mm gun on one, right? >charging across fields
Are fields known for stopping IFVs? >running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits
Tanks can't do this, either. >a billion other things.
Very descriptive. >Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army?
I bet you think the US Army is stupid for procuring the M10. The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it.
>The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it
Are ya ABSOLUTELY sure? Because last I checked, they were doing a major variant programme for the M1...
Singapore is not exactly largely rural place either. Easier to keep lights on in full schools and post offices within 10 min walking range for 100k people
Singapore is not exactly largely rural place either. Easier to keep lights on in full schools and post offices within 10 min walking range for 100k people
Lithuania is buying like 60 new leopard tanks though
Well the soviets did take over their countries by force. Sent tens of thousands of people to gulags from each country and murdered their officers and intellectuals. Sent in thousands of russians in an attempt to basically slowly turn the countries russian. A form of cultural genocide that Russia has done since forever. Due to being held hostage by the soviet union, the countries are still behind the rest of Europe. So yes, victims. Russian schools apparently just teach their kids that all their former subjects we're better off under them and nothing bad ever happened to the people in those countries due to soviet action. They've been teaching "alternative" history there for quite a while now.
Are ryssäs trying to deny what they did to Baltic peoples or what's the point or that picture?
https://i.imgur.com/MPA6j9i.jpg
Hell, Baltics were on par with Austria and France pre-occupation.
There was a scientific articles written calculating how Latvian purchasing power fell by 10-15x after occupation by soviet union.
The thing is they never fought they just rolled over and showed their belly thats why basically no one gave crap about them after ww2. They could have held their territory some time because Russians only outnumbered them 2:1 and they had new units near the borders with little to no training. Ofc most of them blame is on the authoritarian leaders they had who hoped they will remain in power but instead their bloodline was removed from this earth.
>thats why basically no one gave crap about them after ww2
fighting back didn't save Poland either
truth is despite holding all the cards (Lend-Lease), Roosevelt/Truman just weren't interested in trying to seriously push back on Soviet demands, no matter how obviously they were just doing their own form of imperialism
Allies could have said after Stalingrad made eventual German defeat obvious that future deliveries were dependent on Soviet recognition of pre-1939 borders and the Russians would have had no choice but to accept, but no
In the case of Balts, the most important are:
- An efficient system of training and maintaining reserves. Like Finland, which has 870,000 men.
- A strong air and missile defense.
- Strong artillery. Rocket-based to isolate the battlefield. Barrel-launched on wheels to destroy advancing troops.
- Anti-tank weapons. Both a lot of hand-held and tank destroyers on pick-ups.
To put up a pretty effective resistance for a while, that would be enough.
Why don't they combine their armed forces under a single joint command? Their militaries are practically the same, they have the same requirements, they have the same enemies, their geography is the same, etc etc...
If they pooled their resources they could probably afford a lot more metal and put up more of a fight if Russia decides to invade them next.
>Their militaries are practically the same
Only thing they are is that they are focusing on mechanized infantry. Their military buildups are so different from one another. Estonia is copying Finnish military with conscription and huge reserves and paramilitary, Latvia like always letting the Baltic region down with small active military no conscription and low reserve force, Lithuania is focusing on larger active force with conscription and decent reserve force.
>Latvia like always letting the Baltic region down with small active military no conscription and low reserve force
Are you ChatGPT? That info is outdated by 2 years because Latvia has conscription now for a while already.
>Why don't they combine their armed forces under a single joint command?
Because we're moronic, that's why.
1991 was the last time the Baltics had real unity. Our similarities mean that economically we're competitors and I guess that transfers over to military matters.
We're mostly focused on NATO for warfighting, but it makes no sense why we wouldn't be doing collective procurement
I am really curious about how NATO will garrison the Baltics in the future.
The token tripwire force is no longer an option. 50,000 combined with the rapid reaction forces should be more than enough manpower to slow Russia down while we bomb their assault columns into the stone age.
>The token tripwire force is no longer an option.
hastily assembled and irregulars and TDF with a few crates of NLAWs and javelins stopped the only army which would ever pose a threat to the baltics. i think they'll be ok for the next 10-20 fricking years - worst case - it'll be before they can be threatened again.
Pic related is the weakest US ally, they simply got lucky they got allied with America just after the Korean War. If the Americans knew they'd be pathetic 70 years later they would withdraw any kind of military alliance with them.
The Baltic countries have tanks, modern IFVs and artillery while pic related does not.
No tanks, no fighter jets, no modern naval vessels, no submarines and they have a population of 100x of the Baltic countries combined.
Russia would not dare harass those Baltic trio outside of intimidation flights, pic related gets rekt by the Chinese Navy and Coast Guard on a daily basis with America doing nothing.
Baltic gay here
We don't have the infrastructure and funding to be able to buy,keep and maintain even a squadron of jets yet. Maybie in the future but so far we are relying on NATO air missions.
Tanks on the other hand we want to get them but our DOD is debating on either geting Leo2A8 OR K2PL when the factory launches in Poland so we chould see what can we get more for the same sum and there are plans for a tracked IFV too
>Jets
Missle defence systems can do the job well enough. For counter-offensive operations NATO allies can bring their own jets. >Tanks
About to become obsolete, but they have them. Baltics true strength isn't in jets or tanks, I'm sure they can hold the ground.
You're right and that speaks volumes about Eastern Euros not improving for 30 years with no communism.
Take away EU gibs or Muscovite oppression and they'll go back to trying to genocide their neighbors over random villages that purportedly belonged to a king of theirs a Millenium ago. Just like Russians.
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Yeah yeah just like your neighbours Ramjeet
1 month ago
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Giving turdoids nooks has been humanities biggest mistake.
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>Eastern Euros not improving for 30 years with no communism
They're still behind Western Europe; hell, former East Germany is still behind West Germany; but to say they haven't improved at all is complete bullshit. There was a post of a Russian crying and reveling in sick revenge fantasies due to how much nicer people in Poland live when he visited there.
Both you and me watched the vid anon, and he makes a very valid point to why that is the case.
link vid? (as long as it's not some thinly veiled russian drivel)
?si=BQVBQv0jtU95JMBi
You fricker I was about to go to bed.
>spend your entire defence budget on 4 fighter jets and 12 tanks
You seem to have forgotten something:
>NATO
anyway amazing they didn't invest in jets and tanks though
>NATO
Lol. Do you even know how NATO works, anon? Article 5 is a worthless security guarantee, since it leaves assistance to an attacked party to the latitude of the members. How many of the 29 members are willing to go to war to Russia over some irrelevant shitholes?
>it's another projection episode
how's that CSTO business going anon
> Article 5 is a worthless security guarantee
Do it homosexual
Invest what? Lithuania, the biggest of the three did decide to buy 54 Leo2a8s and this has left the politicians scrambling to figure out where to get the 2 billion (a year's military budget) to get them.
Other militaries also have infantry units and I don't think a grunt gets to witness the whole might of a huge army anyway. So probably like that, except you get to go home on the weekends because the base is at most 2 hours away from home.
Ukraine isn't in NATO and I fear that it will never be a full member but after the EU and the US pussying out on supporting them after only 2 years, I can see plenty of politicians deciding to throw the Baltics under the bus with similar attempts to not escalate too hard or too fast.
Not that Russia can afford to attack them for the next 20 years anyway LOL
I love how Russia is surrounded by MG3s now.
What's it like to be in a tiny military like that?
In a world of T I G E R S you train to be a porcupine. Nasty, highly mobile, lightly armoured shoot-and-scoot attacks, ambushes, developing pretty good JTAC/TACP capabilities with knowledge of the local terrain and circumstances..all that.
Until recently they had a strategy to use the baltic states as a trip wire and then the rest of nato swoops in and expels the russians but Bucha changed that. Now there is a lot of talk expanding Nato military presence in the baltics
Probably better than being stationed in a shithole like Kaliningrad.
no point getting yourself killed when you could be frickin Latvian b***hes.
matter of fact if you kept israelite war mongers away, you don't need tanks, you just make every male join the army , 12 weeks basic, 24 weeks some specialty, 15 months ball scratching and go home with rifle. every village has a depot next to a bar and a few trucks and you have to go there every 3rd month and shoot. That how you europ shoud do it.
US put 8,000 officers in Germany with logistics and intelligence on the same weekend Russia attacked. Not working out so good for them when you paratroop and the enemy has been waiting for you since you took pff.
>matter of fact if you kept israelite war mongers away
Unfortunatly history has shown that Russia allways has and allways will be israeli war mongers tho, so that dream scenario wont happen
>allways has
How were the Romanovs israeli? They were regular warmongers.
they married into the british royal family
How many Latvian women look like Viola Bailey?
Zero because she is Russian
So what are they focusing on? Special commandos I guess? Guerilla warfare if Russia occupies them?
nuclear landmines
They have 1 million people total a piece. It's more like a Vatican situation. Anyone attacking them would piss off the actual powers that be. Old money wants them preserved. It's like Ireland I guess. If Putin tried direct war he'd be killed.
I mean Ireland's only neighbor is what, Britain? And the bongs have pretty much made it clear they have no interest on retaking the island and are happy with just the northern bit
Well I suppose France could also try a naval invasion, but that is unlikely
It's akin to invading Maine but there are 6 ak 47s per civilian.
>are happy with just the northern bit
Do the Brits even want the northern bit or is it more a case of "this situation is uncomfortable but mentioning it could make it far more uncomfortable so we'll just ignore it"?
What a dumb question.
The brits have tried to give it back.
why can't world leaders understand that border gore triggers my autism?
I don't care which parties do or don't want it that shit needs to get fixed
I'm convinced this is the main reason why Irish "reunification" (the only time the island has been united is when Britain owned all of it) is so popular with redditors and americans
you just think the map would look better if RoI controlled it all
Sure, there was a genocide in the past and other bad shit since then, but the same goes for countless causes far less widely sung than Ireland
Yeah it's a pain in the arse
>"this situation is uncomfortable but mentioning it could make it far more uncomfortable so we'll just ignore it"?
This is 95% of British politics
Mechanized/regular infantry, ATGMs mortars and artillery
NATO allies can afford, and quickly transport the fancy SAM systems/fighter jets etc if shit hits the fan, but they cant quickly ship 200 000 guys with infantry equipment to fill trenches
>but you have friends that do
>TFW you don't have a single tank or fighter jet and would still win a crushing victory against the self-declared second army in the world
Tanks are deprecated as a concept and IFVs and artillery are more important. Wouldn't make sense for one of these countries to bankrupt themselves maintaining an air force when Russia has invested so heavily into air defenses.
>Tanks are deprecated as a concept
This is complete fricking nonsense, tanks are still very useful. They're direct fire guns with heavy frontal armor, they have amazing fire control, thermals, etc and can kill basically anything except another equivalent MBT or a really souped up hardened bunker.
They're not useful in the case of the baltic countries because they are unlikely to go on deep offense (which is what tanks are made for, and most useful for) and are instead going to do a series of defensive actions until the country is overrun or heavier backup arrives. You can do the same thing with a metric frickton of ATGM teams/mortars without the need to fuel them to the same degree or maintain them pre-war. Just have a storage depot with Javelins and hand them out when shit gets hairy.
God I hate dronegays btw.
IFVs do the same thing and are generally killed with the same tools used to kill tanks, so they're not actually meaningfully less armored. Under what circumstances is a 120mm gun absolutely required and nothing less can get the job done, but also you don't have the ability to call in aircraft/drone/artillery strike to handle it?
God I hate the opinions of neverserveds. Pick up a field manual before you run your mouth, moron.
>IFVs do the same thing
No they don't.
>and are generally killed with the same tools used to kill tanks
With far less success.
Okay, so what can a tank do that an IFV couldn't?
Defeat a rapping granny armed with a FAMAS.
Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds, charging across fields, running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits, a billion other things. Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army? Shut the frick up moron.
>Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
IFVs can do this too, you know it's possible to put something larger than a 30mm gun on one, right?
>charging across fields
Are fields known for stopping IFVs?
>running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits
Tanks can't do this, either.
>a billion other things.
Very descriptive.
>Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army?
I bet you think the US Army is stupid for procuring the M10. The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it.
You're a stupid fricking moron and nobody cares about you online or in person. Truly the dumbest post I've seen in months.
You're right, I'm moronic and it's impossible for an IFV like a CV90 to fire on tanks with sabot rounds. However, you are mistaken in thinking no one cares about me, obviously you do since you're still responding.
the lack of argumentation is striking
>Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
this is oddly specific, why would it matter what kind of round or fire arc you use as long as the tank is mission killed?
IFVs cannot facilitate breakthrough attacks. Also, even if in a minor sense an IFV can perform an assault, it'd take far greater casualties than a tank force would. An IFV cannot mount a significant cannon, cannot mount an active protection system, does not have the armor to withstand anti-tank rounds (and yes, tanks do in fact have the armor to absorb significant attack), and after adding that shit would more than double the weight of the vehicle it STILL would take more casualties than a tank.
Lithuania IS getting tanks, though. Thoughts on this? It's going to cost us the equivalent of a year's worth of military budget for 54 tanks.
The reasoning is the government wants to have an entire actual division with most things that come with it.
What would tanks accomplish for them that other equipment can't replicate? They're universally going to be on the defense at the beginning of any war. Anything anti-armor is perfectly fine instead.
Need tall latvian gf
They're an endangered species, already mutted by Slavs. Keep your claws off them.
>meanwhile a tiny city can afford multiple tank divisions
>Baltics population: 6.2 million
>post soviet economic rot still being recovered from
>Singapore population: 5.5 million
>an economic hub in east asia
Slight difference.
>The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it
Are ya ABSOLUTELY sure? Because last I checked, they were doing a major variant programme for the M1...
Singapore is not exactly largely rural place either. Easier to keep lights on in full schools and post offices within 10 min walking range for 100k people
Lithuania is buying like 60 new leopard tanks though
>Russia is rapidly joining the party
Yet
Are ryssäs trying to deny what they did to Baltic peoples or what's the point or that picture?
Well the soviets did take over their countries by force. Sent tens of thousands of people to gulags from each country and murdered their officers and intellectuals. Sent in thousands of russians in an attempt to basically slowly turn the countries russian. A form of cultural genocide that Russia has done since forever. Due to being held hostage by the soviet union, the countries are still behind the rest of Europe. So yes, victims. Russian schools apparently just teach their kids that all their former subjects we're better off under them and nothing bad ever happened to the people in those countries due to soviet action. They've been teaching "alternative" history there for quite a while now.
Hell, Baltics were on par with Austria and France pre-occupation.
There was a scientific articles written calculating how Latvian purchasing power fell by 10-15x after occupation by soviet union.
The thing is they never fought they just rolled over and showed their belly thats why basically no one gave crap about them after ww2. They could have held their territory some time because Russians only outnumbered them 2:1 and they had new units near the borders with little to no training. Ofc most of them blame is on the authoritarian leaders they had who hoped they will remain in power but instead their bloodline was removed from this earth.
>thats why basically no one gave crap about them after ww2
fighting back didn't save Poland either
truth is despite holding all the cards (Lend-Lease), Roosevelt/Truman just weren't interested in trying to seriously push back on Soviet demands, no matter how obviously they were just doing their own form of imperialism
Allies could have said after Stalingrad made eventual German defeat obvious that future deliveries were dependent on Soviet recognition of pre-1939 borders and the Russians would have had no choice but to accept, but no
Yes, but Russians are literally evil and them fricking over a neighbour is an actual gotcha for them.
>50% forest
>20% bog
The whole tactic is to grind the assault to a crawl with mines and rocket ambushes until western bombing runs start happening
I wonder if monke will use this to test the integrity of NATO. I've a feeling he will once things get desperate enough.
If we don't respond we'll look like c**ts to the entire world. TZD everywhere, all the time; we must not relent.
In the case of Balts, the most important are:
- An efficient system of training and maintaining reserves. Like Finland, which has 870,000 men.
- A strong air and missile defense.
- Strong artillery. Rocket-based to isolate the battlefield. Barrel-launched on wheels to destroy advancing troops.
- Anti-tank weapons. Both a lot of hand-held and tank destroyers on pick-ups.
To put up a pretty effective resistance for a while, that would be enough.
Is Russia even capable of mounting an offensive on another front?
Right now? No way. 5-10 years after fighting in Ukraine stops? Who knows.
But bad odds won't necessarily stop them from trying, as we saw and you don't want a 152 mm shell landing on your house either way.
What would the point of that be? Tanks are for attacking, and all of these countries are within range of russian AD.
Lithuania is getting 54 Leopard 2
and NATO allies already have MBTs and jet fighters stationed in the Baltics
Why have them when mutts will do the job for you lmao
nice diversion attempt, vatnik
Shut the frick up
They are not meant to be warriors. They have other talents are are useful. There is like 3 million of them anyways. Why even attack them
Why don't they combine their armed forces under a single joint command? Their militaries are practically the same, they have the same requirements, they have the same enemies, their geography is the same, etc etc...
If they pooled their resources they could probably afford a lot more metal and put up more of a fight if Russia decides to invade them next.
Internal bickering would be on same level of stupid as what the joint projects between Germany and France end up as
>Their militaries are practically the same
Only thing they are is that they are focusing on mechanized infantry. Their military buildups are so different from one another. Estonia is copying Finnish military with conscription and huge reserves and paramilitary, Latvia like always letting the Baltic region down with small active military no conscription and low reserve force, Lithuania is focusing on larger active force with conscription and decent reserve force.
>Latvia like always letting the Baltic region down with small active military no conscription and low reserve force
Are you ChatGPT? That info is outdated by 2 years because Latvia has conscription now for a while already.
>Why don't they combine their armed forces under a single joint command?
Because we're moronic, that's why.
1991 was the last time the Baltics had real unity. Our similarities mean that economically we're competitors and I guess that transfers over to military matters.
We're mostly focused on NATO for warfighting, but it makes no sense why we wouldn't be doing collective procurement
I dont quite get that image
God I hate Russians
>what is your job in NATO?
>we are the buffer zone
>if we are fast enough we can be a designated mined field
lmao
Fait accompli theory got BTFO so hard that now NATO positions aircraft in the Baltics. But I heard they were planning to buy some more weapons anyway.
I am really curious about how NATO will garrison the Baltics in the future.
The token tripwire force is no longer an option. 50,000 combined with the rapid reaction forces should be more than enough manpower to slow Russia down while we bomb their assault columns into the stone age.
>The token tripwire force is no longer an option.
hastily assembled and irregulars and TDF with a few crates of NLAWs and javelins stopped the only army which would ever pose a threat to the baltics. i think they'll be ok for the next 10-20 fricking years - worst case - it'll be before they can be threatened again.
And they say Russia is not a victim. Look at how smug he is about preparing to murder innocent VDV.
look at this poor mongolian getting abused by these fascists
Pic related is the weakest US ally, they simply got lucky they got allied with America just after the Korean War. If the Americans knew they'd be pathetic 70 years later they would withdraw any kind of military alliance with them.
The Baltic countries have tanks, modern IFVs and artillery while pic related does not.
No tanks, no fighter jets, no modern naval vessels, no submarines and they have a population of 100x of the Baltic countries combined.
Russia would not dare harass those Baltic trio outside of intimidation flights, pic related gets rekt by the Chinese Navy and Coast Guard on a daily basis with America doing nothing.
is the US allied to them or just occasionally tries to help them out when the Flips aren't flipping out about Americans
It's a real US MDT, not some wishy washy thing that Taiwan or Ukraine have.
really they put Mutual?
Baltic gay here
We don't have the infrastructure and funding to be able to buy,keep and maintain even a squadron of jets yet. Maybie in the future but so far we are relying on NATO air missions.
Tanks on the other hand we want to get them but our DOD is debating on either geting Leo2A8 OR K2PL when the factory launches in Poland so we chould see what can we get more for the same sum and there are plans for a tracked IFV too
They're first world world EU countries
They can buy at least 12 F-35s each and help out one another for air cover
If not F-35s I'm sure Sweden will build and sell them Gripens
They don't need jets now that Finland is in Nato the allies can fly missions from there without having the risk of planes bring shot on runways.
>Jets
Missle defence systems can do the job well enough. For counter-offensive operations NATO allies can bring their own jets.
>Tanks
About to become obsolete, but they have them. Baltics true strength isn't in jets or tanks, I'm sure they can hold the ground.
What the baltics really need is a unified tactical nuke belt. That would make pidors truly mad
>unified
They'll nuke each other or loot it.
Nukes are better kept in the silos of developed nations.
Do Americans generally think that Baltics are like Russia back in 90s? What do you think this is, middle east?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_radioactive_material_in_Tammiku
Every country there except for Lithuania is a third Russian btw.
Anon, I...
It's not 90s anymore
You're right and that speaks volumes about Eastern Euros not improving for 30 years with no communism.
Take away EU gibs or Muscovite oppression and they'll go back to trying to genocide their neighbors over random villages that purportedly belonged to a king of theirs a Millenium ago. Just like Russians.
Yeah yeah just like your neighbours Ramjeet
Giving turdoids nooks has been humanities biggest mistake.
>Eastern Euros not improving for 30 years with no communism
They're still behind Western Europe; hell, former East Germany is still behind West Germany; but to say they haven't improved at all is complete bullshit. There was a post of a Russian crying and reveling in sick revenge fantasies due to how much nicer people in Poland live when he visited there.
That can be ammended quite easily. If the pidors get too uppity they might finally get to feel what ethnic cleansing actually means themselves.
>loot
>tactical nukes
>silos
stick to what you know, Ramesh
Calling others poojets won't bleach your own skin, champ.