>TFW you don't have a single tank or fighter jet

>TFW you don't have a single tank or fighter jet

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both you and me watched the vid anon, and he makes a very valid point to why that is the case.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      link vid? (as long as it's not some thinly veiled russian drivel)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ?si=BQVBQv0jtU95JMBi

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You fricker I was about to go to bed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >spend your entire defence budget on 4 fighter jets and 12 tanks

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You seem to have forgotten something:
    >NATO
    anyway amazing they didn't invest in jets and tanks though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NATO
      Lol. Do you even know how NATO works, anon? Article 5 is a worthless security guarantee, since it leaves assistance to an attacked party to the latitude of the members. How many of the 29 members are willing to go to war to Russia over some irrelevant shitholes?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's another projection episode
        how's that CSTO business going anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Article 5 is a worthless security guarantee
        Do it homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Invest what? Lithuania, the biggest of the three did decide to buy 54 Leo2a8s and this has left the politicians scrambling to figure out where to get the 2 billion (a year's military budget) to get them.

      What's it like to be in a tiny military like that?

      Other militaries also have infantry units and I don't think a grunt gets to witness the whole might of a huge army anyway. So probably like that, except you get to go home on the weekends because the base is at most 2 hours away from home.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine isn't in NATO and I fear that it will never be a full member but after the EU and the US pussying out on supporting them after only 2 years, I can see plenty of politicians deciding to throw the Baltics under the bus with similar attempts to not escalate too hard or too fast.
      Not that Russia can afford to attack them for the next 20 years anyway LOL

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love how Russia is surrounded by MG3s now.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's it like to be in a tiny military like that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a world of T I G E R S you train to be a porcupine. Nasty, highly mobile, lightly armoured shoot-and-scoot attacks, ambushes, developing pretty good JTAC/TACP capabilities with knowledge of the local terrain and circumstances..all that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Until recently they had a strategy to use the baltic states as a trip wire and then the rest of nato swoops in and expels the russians but Bucha changed that. Now there is a lot of talk expanding Nato military presence in the baltics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably better than being stationed in a shithole like Kaliningrad.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no point getting yourself killed when you could be frickin Latvian b***hes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      matter of fact if you kept israelite war mongers away, you don't need tanks, you just make every male join the army , 12 weeks basic, 24 weeks some specialty, 15 months ball scratching and go home with rifle. every village has a depot next to a bar and a few trucks and you have to go there every 3rd month and shoot. That how you europ shoud do it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US put 8,000 officers in Germany with logistics and intelligence on the same weekend Russia attacked. Not working out so good for them when you paratroop and the enemy has been waiting for you since you took pff.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >matter of fact if you kept israelite war mongers away
        Unfortunatly history has shown that Russia allways has and allways will be israeli war mongers tho, so that dream scenario wont happen

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >allways has
          How were the Romanovs israeli? They were regular warmongers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they married into the british royal family

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many Latvian women look like Viola Bailey?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Zero because she is Russian

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what are they focusing on? Special commandos I guess? Guerilla warfare if Russia occupies them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nuclear landmines

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have 1 million people total a piece. It's more like a Vatican situation. Anyone attacking them would piss off the actual powers that be. Old money wants them preserved. It's like Ireland I guess. If Putin tried direct war he'd be killed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean Ireland's only neighbor is what, Britain? And the bongs have pretty much made it clear they have no interest on retaking the island and are happy with just the northern bit
        Well I suppose France could also try a naval invasion, but that is unlikely

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's akin to invading Maine but there are 6 ak 47s per civilian.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >are happy with just the northern bit
          Do the Brits even want the northern bit or is it more a case of "this situation is uncomfortable but mentioning it could make it far more uncomfortable so we'll just ignore it"?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What a dumb question.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The brits have tried to give it back.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why can't world leaders understand that border gore triggers my autism?
              I don't care which parties do or don't want it that shit needs to get fixed

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm convinced this is the main reason why Irish "reunification" (the only time the island has been united is when Britain owned all of it) is so popular with redditors and americans
                you just think the map would look better if RoI controlled it all
                Sure, there was a genocide in the past and other bad shit since then, but the same goes for countless causes far less widely sung than Ireland

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah it's a pain in the arse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"this situation is uncomfortable but mentioning it could make it far more uncomfortable so we'll just ignore it"?
            This is 95% of British politics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mechanized/regular infantry, ATGMs mortars and artillery
      NATO allies can afford, and quickly transport the fancy SAM systems/fighter jets etc if shit hits the fan, but they cant quickly ship 200 000 guys with infantry equipment to fill trenches

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but you have friends that do

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >TFW you don't have a single tank or fighter jet and would still win a crushing victory against the self-declared second army in the world

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tanks are deprecated as a concept and IFVs and artillery are more important. Wouldn't make sense for one of these countries to bankrupt themselves maintaining an air force when Russia has invested so heavily into air defenses.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tanks are deprecated as a concept
      This is complete fricking nonsense, tanks are still very useful. They're direct fire guns with heavy frontal armor, they have amazing fire control, thermals, etc and can kill basically anything except another equivalent MBT or a really souped up hardened bunker.
      They're not useful in the case of the baltic countries because they are unlikely to go on deep offense (which is what tanks are made for, and most useful for) and are instead going to do a series of defensive actions until the country is overrun or heavier backup arrives. You can do the same thing with a metric frickton of ATGM teams/mortars without the need to fuel them to the same degree or maintain them pre-war. Just have a storage depot with Javelins and hand them out when shit gets hairy.

      God I hate dronegays btw.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IFVs do the same thing and are generally killed with the same tools used to kill tanks, so they're not actually meaningfully less armored. Under what circumstances is a 120mm gun absolutely required and nothing less can get the job done, but also you don't have the ability to call in aircraft/drone/artillery strike to handle it?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God I hate the opinions of neverserveds. Pick up a field manual before you run your mouth, moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >IFVs do the same thing
          No they don't.
          >and are generally killed with the same tools used to kill tanks
          With far less success.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so what can a tank do that an IFV couldn't?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Defeat a rapping granny armed with a FAMAS.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds, charging across fields, running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits, a billion other things. Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army? Shut the frick up moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
                IFVs can do this too, you know it's possible to put something larger than a 30mm gun on one, right?
                >charging across fields
                Are fields known for stopping IFVs?
                >running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits
                Tanks can't do this, either.
                >a billion other things.
                Very descriptive.
                >Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army?
                I bet you think the US Army is stupid for procuring the M10. The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a stupid fricking moron and nobody cares about you online or in person. Truly the dumbest post I've seen in months.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're right, I'm moronic and it's impossible for an IFV like a CV90 to fire on tanks with sabot rounds. However, you are mistaken in thinking no one cares about me, obviously you do since you're still responding.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the lack of argumentation is striking

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
                this is oddly specific, why would it matter what kind of round or fire arc you use as long as the tank is mission killed?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              IFVs cannot facilitate breakthrough attacks. Also, even if in a minor sense an IFV can perform an assault, it'd take far greater casualties than a tank force would. An IFV cannot mount a significant cannon, cannot mount an active protection system, does not have the armor to withstand anti-tank rounds (and yes, tanks do in fact have the armor to absorb significant attack), and after adding that shit would more than double the weight of the vehicle it STILL would take more casualties than a tank.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lithuania IS getting tanks, though. Thoughts on this? It's going to cost us the equivalent of a year's worth of military budget for 54 tanks.

        The reasoning is the government wants to have an entire actual division with most things that come with it.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What would tanks accomplish for them that other equipment can't replicate? They're universally going to be on the defense at the beginning of any war. Anything anti-armor is perfectly fine instead.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Need tall latvian gf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're an endangered species, already mutted by Slavs. Keep your claws off them.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >meanwhile a tiny city can afford multiple tank divisions

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Baltics population: 6.2 million
      >post soviet economic rot still being recovered from

      >Singapore population: 5.5 million
      >an economic hub in east asia

      Slight difference.

      >Direct fire on other tanks with sabot rounds
      IFVs can do this too, you know it's possible to put something larger than a 30mm gun on one, right?
      >charging across fields
      Are fields known for stopping IFVs?
      >running over enemy troop positions and taking AT hits
      Tanks can't do this, either.
      >a billion other things.
      Very descriptive.
      >Seriously you think you're smarter than the US Army?
      I bet you think the US Army is stupid for procuring the M10. The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it.

      >The age of the MBT is over and the Army knows it

      Are ya ABSOLUTELY sure? Because last I checked, they were doing a major variant programme for the M1...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Singapore is not exactly largely rural place either. Easier to keep lights on in full schools and post offices within 10 min walking range for 100k people

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Singapore is not exactly largely rural place either. Easier to keep lights on in full schools and post offices within 10 min walking range for 100k people

        Lithuania is buying like 60 new leopard tanks though

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia is rapidly joining the party

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yet

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
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      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are ryssäs trying to deny what they did to Baltic peoples or what's the point or that picture?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well the soviets did take over their countries by force. Sent tens of thousands of people to gulags from each country and murdered their officers and intellectuals. Sent in thousands of russians in an attempt to basically slowly turn the countries russian. A form of cultural genocide that Russia has done since forever. Due to being held hostage by the soviet union, the countries are still behind the rest of Europe. So yes, victims. Russian schools apparently just teach their kids that all their former subjects we're better off under them and nothing bad ever happened to the people in those countries due to soviet action. They've been teaching "alternative" history there for quite a while now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are ryssäs trying to deny what they did to Baltic peoples or what's the point or that picture?

        https://i.imgur.com/MPA6j9i.jpg

        Hell, Baltics were on par with Austria and France pre-occupation.
        There was a scientific articles written calculating how Latvian purchasing power fell by 10-15x after occupation by soviet union.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is they never fought they just rolled over and showed their belly thats why basically no one gave crap about them after ww2. They could have held their territory some time because Russians only outnumbered them 2:1 and they had new units near the borders with little to no training. Ofc most of them blame is on the authoritarian leaders they had who hoped they will remain in power but instead their bloodline was removed from this earth.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >thats why basically no one gave crap about them after ww2
          fighting back didn't save Poland either
          truth is despite holding all the cards (Lend-Lease), Roosevelt/Truman just weren't interested in trying to seriously push back on Soviet demands, no matter how obviously they were just doing their own form of imperialism
          Allies could have said after Stalingrad made eventual German defeat obvious that future deliveries were dependent on Soviet recognition of pre-1939 borders and the Russians would have had no choice but to accept, but no

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but Russians are literally evil and them fricking over a neighbour is an actual gotcha for them.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >50% forest
    >20% bog

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The whole tactic is to grind the assault to a crawl with mines and rocket ambushes until western bombing runs start happening

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if monke will use this to test the integrity of NATO. I've a feeling he will once things get desperate enough.

      If we don't respond we'll look like c**ts to the entire world. TZD everywhere, all the time; we must not relent.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the case of Balts, the most important are:
    - An efficient system of training and maintaining reserves. Like Finland, which has 870,000 men.
    - A strong air and missile defense.
    - Strong artillery. Rocket-based to isolate the battlefield. Barrel-launched on wheels to destroy advancing troops.
    - Anti-tank weapons. Both a lot of hand-held and tank destroyers on pick-ups.
    To put up a pretty effective resistance for a while, that would be enough.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Russia even capable of mounting an offensive on another front?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right now? No way. 5-10 years after fighting in Ukraine stops? Who knows.

      But bad odds won't necessarily stop them from trying, as we saw and you don't want a 152 mm shell landing on your house either way.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What would the point of that be? Tanks are for attacking, and all of these countries are within range of russian AD.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lithuania is getting 54 Leopard 2
    and NATO allies already have MBTs and jet fighters stationed in the Baltics

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why have them when mutts will do the job for you lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nice diversion attempt, vatnik

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are not meant to be warriors. They have other talents are are useful. There is like 3 million of them anyways. Why even attack them

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they combine their armed forces under a single joint command? Their militaries are practically the same, they have the same requirements, they have the same enemies, their geography is the same, etc etc...
    If they pooled their resources they could probably afford a lot more metal and put up more of a fight if Russia decides to invade them next.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Internal bickering would be on same level of stupid as what the joint projects between Germany and France end up as

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Their militaries are practically the same
      Only thing they are is that they are focusing on mechanized infantry. Their military buildups are so different from one another. Estonia is copying Finnish military with conscription and huge reserves and paramilitary, Latvia like always letting the Baltic region down with small active military no conscription and low reserve force, Lithuania is focusing on larger active force with conscription and decent reserve force.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Latvia like always letting the Baltic region down with small active military no conscription and low reserve force
        Are you ChatGPT? That info is outdated by 2 years because Latvia has conscription now for a while already.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why don't they combine their armed forces under a single joint command?
      Because we're moronic, that's why.

      1991 was the last time the Baltics had real unity. Our similarities mean that economically we're competitors and I guess that transfers over to military matters.

      We're mostly focused on NATO for warfighting, but it makes no sense why we wouldn't be doing collective procurement

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont quite get that image

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I hate Russians

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what is your job in NATO?
    >we are the buffer zone
    >if we are fast enough we can be a designated mined field
    lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fait accompli theory got BTFO so hard that now NATO positions aircraft in the Baltics. But I heard they were planning to buy some more weapons anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am really curious about how NATO will garrison the Baltics in the future.
      The token tripwire force is no longer an option. 50,000 combined with the rapid reaction forces should be more than enough manpower to slow Russia down while we bomb their assault columns into the stone age.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The token tripwire force is no longer an option.
        hastily assembled and irregulars and TDF with a few crates of NLAWs and javelins stopped the only army which would ever pose a threat to the baltics. i think they'll be ok for the next 10-20 fricking years - worst case - it'll be before they can be threatened again.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And they say Russia is not a victim. Look at how smug he is about preparing to murder innocent VDV.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look at this poor mongolian getting abused by these fascists

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related is the weakest US ally, they simply got lucky they got allied with America just after the Korean War. If the Americans knew they'd be pathetic 70 years later they would withdraw any kind of military alliance with them.

    The Baltic countries have tanks, modern IFVs and artillery while pic related does not.

    No tanks, no fighter jets, no modern naval vessels, no submarines and they have a population of 100x of the Baltic countries combined.

    Russia would not dare harass those Baltic trio outside of intimidation flights, pic related gets rekt by the Chinese Navy and Coast Guard on a daily basis with America doing nothing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is the US allied to them or just occasionally tries to help them out when the Flips aren't flipping out about Americans

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a real US MDT, not some wishy washy thing that Taiwan or Ukraine have.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          really they put Mutual?

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Baltic gay here
    We don't have the infrastructure and funding to be able to buy,keep and maintain even a squadron of jets yet. Maybie in the future but so far we are relying on NATO air missions.
    Tanks on the other hand we want to get them but our DOD is debating on either geting Leo2A8 OR K2PL when the factory launches in Poland so we chould see what can we get more for the same sum and there are plans for a tracked IFV too

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're first world world EU countries

    They can buy at least 12 F-35s each and help out one another for air cover

    If not F-35s I'm sure Sweden will build and sell them Gripens

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They don't need jets now that Finland is in Nato the allies can fly missions from there without having the risk of planes bring shot on runways.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jets
    Missle defence systems can do the job well enough. For counter-offensive operations NATO allies can bring their own jets.
    >Tanks
    About to become obsolete, but they have them. Baltics true strength isn't in jets or tanks, I'm sure they can hold the ground.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the baltics really need is a unified tactical nuke belt. That would make pidors truly mad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >unified
      They'll nuke each other or loot it.
      Nukes are better kept in the silos of developed nations.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do Americans generally think that Baltics are like Russia back in 90s? What do you think this is, middle east?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_radioactive_material_in_Tammiku
          Every country there except for Lithuania is a third Russian btw.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, I...
            It's not 90s anymore

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're right and that speaks volumes about Eastern Euros not improving for 30 years with no communism.
              Take away EU gibs or Muscovite oppression and they'll go back to trying to genocide their neighbors over random villages that purportedly belonged to a king of theirs a Millenium ago. Just like Russians.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah yeah just like your neighbours Ramjeet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Giving turdoids nooks has been humanities biggest mistake.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Eastern Euros not improving for 30 years with no communism
                They're still behind Western Europe; hell, former East Germany is still behind West Germany; but to say they haven't improved at all is complete bullshit. There was a post of a Russian crying and reveling in sick revenge fantasies due to how much nicer people in Poland live when he visited there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That can be ammended quite easily. If the pidors get too uppity they might finally get to feel what ethnic cleansing actually means themselves.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >loot
        >tactical nukes
        >silos
        stick to what you know, Ramesh

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah yeah just like your neighbours Ramjeet

          Calling others poojets won't bleach your own skin, champ.

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