Get 6 rounds on you and then frick off somewhere else.
I heard the next iteration will include a drone catapult for recon.
but they are quite expensive, even tho Nexter says at max capacity they would be able to make 800 a year (with the help of Renault Trucks Defense).
An effective 155mm long-calibre howitzer hampered by being fitted to a truck not an armored tracked SPG >can effectively fire modern 155mm ammo including PGMs to 60-70km depending on the round >crew is exposed and has to disembark and run around the back to operate the gun, then packup and get back in
So more vulnerable to counter-battery fire than a PH2000 or M109 tracked SPG with no significant advantages in mobility or size as the truck is carrying a similar load.
Ok if it can use its range to stay outside russian return fire range.
Trucks can drive on their own power to their destination in convoy and dont need train carriages to haul them from point a to b as it is with the trackers.
>hampered
If the enemy even reach that far into your lines you are dead weather or not you have armor.
Everything you gain from surviving a near-miss you'll love in mobility making that near-miss more likely to happen.
>counter-battery fire than a PH2000 or M109
The Caesar have a much longer range than those two have and will be long gone or shooting by the time they try to close distance.
If there's one absolutely critical flaw to the CAESAR it's that there's not enough of them.
I blame bad PR against any kind of artillery, no matter how precise they are.
There might not be much difference in terrain buy a truck can do 2000km in days and track vehicle tank much, much more maintenance and planing/permits to do the same
Mine looked at it briefly, but we went with the Sork K-9 SPG because of the exposed crew issue and faster shoot&scoot of sitting inside to fire. >even in French Armee its their 2nd-tier light-duty gun for flying into African airstrips and shelling mud-huts in Mali etc while they still have a tracked armoured SPG for Nato-peer ops.
>>even in French Armee its their 2nd-tier light-duty gun for flying into African airstrips and shelling mud-huts in Mali etc while they still have a tracked armoured SPG for Nato-peer ops.
AuF1 is old and going the way of the dodo pretty soon, to be integrally replaced with caesar mk2.
155mm tube artillery. Its a standard sized standard large artillery piece meeting NATO standards. With 6 wheels which is not exactly standard but in the middle range.
The thing with these wheeled SPGs is that they're not a replacement for tracked, they're a towed gun which stays connected to their truck. So, you know, the usual: cheaper, easier than tracked and quicker than towed.
Also, it's a great gun. The loader is a simple, elegant design. Things like the ammo storage, stabilizer, etc, shows good well-thought features. The user interface is user-friendly (not what I would traditionally associate with French design). If you're in the market for a wheeled SPG these should be on your short list. I would be interested if Nexter can put in a super-caliber gun for extend range applications.
Didn't this thing have reliability problems that kinda killed it on the market?
If so I'd take CAESARs that can shoot just fine over Archers that break up, even if it's better and more practical on paper.
Well it did. I can only imagine that most have been worked out by now, pluss BAE is around to beat sense into Haggelunds every now and then.
Really interested to see if it gets picked up by the US or the Swiss, and if the swedes folow through with buying more of them
Well it did. I can only imagine that most have been worked out by now, pluss BAE is around to beat sense into Haggelunds every now and then.
Really interested to see if it gets picked up by the US or the Swiss, and if the swedes folow through with buying more of them
Sweden signed an order for producing like 24 more of them recently, which brings their total numbers to like 76.
Since they were originally refurbished versions of previous Swedish systems, this means the new Archers will be freshly produced. Who knows if they get any improvements.
And yes, Schweitz and the USA are considering it.
Didn't this thing have reliability problems that kinda killed it on the market?
If so I'd take CAESARs that can shoot just fine over Archers that break up, even if it's better and more practical on paper.
We aren't because we don't have enough artillery as is to protect anything. If we'd kept out 90s stocks since the Cold War, maybe we could've.
>The thing with these wheeled SPGs is that they're not a replacement for tracked, they're a towed gun which stays connected to their truck.
Wrong. Just because they French are morons does not mean that is the case with other nations. >see pic related >see South Africa G6
If the overall truck part is in fact improved, it'll be really great
Caesar are super mobile and very cheap to acquire and maintain compared to armored spg like k9 or pzh2000
The canon is pretty sturdy and the overall pointing and firing system is ludicrously simple to use.
Mk1 is not very protected, that's it's shortfall. MK2 is suposedly sturdier and better armored
On an not so unrealated note, I don't really understand why you'll need a tank level of Armor for a sph. I mean, if you take counterbattery fire that's pretty much a death sentence, Armor or not
You just need to protect against them homies on foot me think
>if you take counterbattery fire that's pretty much a death sentence, Armor or not
nope, if a PzH takes 152/5mm counter-battery - if nothing else the crew will probably survive (barring some shitty luck or guided munitions.) a mission kill is preferable to the entire platform and crew being charred. this is only becoming more important with small drones and cheaper counter-battery radars. it also is a huge asset if you're surrounded by insurgents.
besides, if your self-propelled artillery is even a bit more resistant than the enemies - then you can push that leverage; provided you have the training, intelligence and doctrine to use it.
the gun module is fully remote, so the crew doesn't have to leave the cabin, that makes it better than the Caesar
don't see how it's different than the Archer tho
>the gun module is fully remote, so the crew doesn't have to leave the cabin, that makes it better than the Caesar
2 things:
-no degraded condition functionality, like the archer. Something fricks up, it's a useless truck. The Caesar has backups and can be operated and laid on target like a traditional gun.
-Frickhuge and heavy
The caesar was made to be able to operate with a minimal logistical footprint in harsh environments.
>-no degraded condition functionality, like the archer. Something fricks up, it's a useless truck. The Caesar has backups and can be operated and laid on target like a traditional gun.
I kinda doubt that's so bad, modern systems should be reliable enough. Not having the option to do it fully remotely and autoloaded like the Caesar seems like a bigger con for sure. >Frickhuge and heavy
that's true, it seems more heavy and big than it needs to be
>I kinda doubt that's so bad, modern systems should be reliable enough.
Use anything hard enough, something WILL frick up. Those guns are full of electronics and hydraulics subject to hard stresses through intense use.
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Soviets introduced reliable autoloaders decades ago, I'm not too worried
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>Use anything hard enough, something WILL frick up. Those guns are full of electronics and hydraulics subject to hard stresses through intense use.
The Archer was notoriously unreliable in the beginning, god knows what the current state is
Get 6 rounds on you and then frick off somewhere else.
I heard the next iteration will include a drone catapult for recon.
but they are quite expensive, even tho Nexter says at max capacity they would be able to make 800 a year (with the help of Renault Trucks Defense).
An effective 155mm long-calibre howitzer hampered by being fitted to a truck not an armored tracked SPG
>can effectively fire modern 155mm ammo including PGMs to 60-70km depending on the round
>crew is exposed and has to disembark and run around the back to operate the gun, then packup and get back in
So more vulnerable to counter-battery fire than a PH2000 or M109 tracked SPG with no significant advantages in mobility or size as the truck is carrying a similar load.
Ok if it can use its range to stay outside russian return fire range.
>with no significant advantages in mobility or size as the truck is carrying a similar load
please stop posting
A truck is much faster, cheaper and less maintenance intensive.
Trucks can drive on their own power to their destination in convoy and dont need train carriages to haul them from point a to b as it is with the trackers.
>hampered
If the enemy even reach that far into your lines you are dead weather or not you have armor.
Everything you gain from surviving a near-miss you'll love in mobility making that near-miss more likely to happen.
>counter-battery fire than a PH2000 or M109
The Caesar have a much longer range than those two have and will be long gone or shooting by the time they try to close distance.
If there's one absolutely critical flaw to the CAESAR it's that there's not enough of them.
I blame bad PR against any kind of artillery, no matter how precise they are.
Frogs managed to sell them pretty well though
>armor to deal with counterbattery fire
>in the age of guided top-attack munitions
Repositioning is the only plausible defense.
There might not be much difference in terrain buy a truck can do 2000km in days and track vehicle tank much, much more maintenance and planing/permits to do the same
>hampered by being fitted to a truck not an armored tracked SPG
It's hampered only if you're under direct or indirect ennemy fire.
Which it's not suppose to be as it fire 6 shell in less than a minute, then get the frick out the next minute.
Even if the ennemy fire on the position, the shell will just bother mole.
You never even knew this gun existed before it was sent to Ukraine.
no, my country (guess which one) had decided to buy them way before they went to Ukraine
Goddamn rainlanders
>You never knew about something until you found out about it
Woah, anon. Is there any other wisdom you can share with us?
Mine looked at it briefly, but we went with the Sork K-9 SPG because of the exposed crew issue and faster shoot&scoot of sitting inside to fire.
>even in French Armee its their 2nd-tier light-duty gun for flying into African airstrips and shelling mud-huts in Mali etc while they still have a tracked armoured SPG for Nato-peer ops.
>>even in French Armee its their 2nd-tier light-duty gun for flying into African airstrips and shelling mud-huts in Mali etc while they still have a tracked armoured SPG for Nato-peer ops.
AuF1 is old and going the way of the dodo pretty soon, to be integrally replaced with caesar mk2.
It's in wargame air land battke, stupid.
I too am curious about the Mk.IIs.
155mm tube artillery. Its a standard sized standard large artillery piece meeting NATO standards. With 6 wheels which is not exactly standard but in the middle range.
why wheels over tracks?
Piece of junk... ww2 level
Pzhb2000 runs circles around it
caesar range is far longer
The thing with these wheeled SPGs is that they're not a replacement for tracked, they're a towed gun which stays connected to their truck. So, you know, the usual: cheaper, easier than tracked and quicker than towed.
Also, it's a great gun. The loader is a simple, elegant design. Things like the ammo storage, stabilizer, etc, shows good well-thought features. The user interface is user-friendly (not what I would traditionally associate with French design). If you're in the market for a wheeled SPG these should be on your short list. I would be interested if Nexter can put in a super-caliber gun for extend range applications.
Archer is better
yes, because it has an autoloader and doesn't require the crew to leave the truck. So it's probably faster too.
Didn't this thing have reliability problems that kinda killed it on the market?
If so I'd take CAESARs that can shoot just fine over Archers that break up, even if it's better and more practical on paper.
Well it did. I can only imagine that most have been worked out by now, pluss BAE is around to beat sense into Haggelunds every now and then.
Really interested to see if it gets picked up by the US or the Swiss, and if the swedes folow through with buying more of them
Sweden is considering sending the Archers in Ukraine too.
I really doubt that, seeing that they only have 48 of them and thats the only artillery except mortars that the Swedish Army has
Sweden signed an order for producing like 24 more of them recently, which brings their total numbers to like 76.
Since they were originally refurbished versions of previous Swedish systems, this means the new Archers will be freshly produced. Who knows if they get any improvements.
And yes, Schweitz and the USA are considering it.
We aren't because we don't have enough artillery as is to protect anything. If we'd kept out 90s stocks since the Cold War, maybe we could've.
It was delayed for technical problems so Norway canceled the orders.
Switzerland is going to buy it and the US is considering it too.
Where are you getting that from? the gun and autoloader has been in service since the 80's so its well proven for sure.
the basis for the gun, yeah
everything else is from the early 2000's, and spent a lot of time before reaching maturity for production
>The thing with these wheeled SPGs is that they're not a replacement for tracked, they're a towed gun which stays connected to their truck.
Wrong. Just because they French are morons does not mean that is the case with other nations.
>see pic related
>see South Africa G6
If the overall truck part is in fact improved, it'll be really great
Caesar are super mobile and very cheap to acquire and maintain compared to armored spg like k9 or pzh2000
The canon is pretty sturdy and the overall pointing and firing system is ludicrously simple to use.
Mk1 is not very protected, that's it's shortfall. MK2 is suposedly sturdier and better armored
On an not so unrealated note, I don't really understand why you'll need a tank level of Armor for a sph. I mean, if you take counterbattery fire that's pretty much a death sentence, Armor or not
You just need to protect against them homies on foot me think
>if you take counterbattery fire that's pretty much a death sentence, Armor or not
nope, if a PzH takes 152/5mm counter-battery - if nothing else the crew will probably survive (barring some shitty luck or guided munitions.) a mission kill is preferable to the entire platform and crew being charred. this is only becoming more important with small drones and cheaper counter-battery radars. it also is a huge asset if you're surrounded by insurgents.
besides, if your self-propelled artillery is even a bit more resistant than the enemies - then you can push that leverage; provided you have the training, intelligence and doctrine to use it.
>Triggers pzh and archer Black person under 6 seconds and scoot.
I'm waiting for the mark II who can shoot 11 knifes shaped shells right into Putin's back in his palace.
inshallah, this will mog both the Caesar and the Archer
What is this?
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_may_2021_global_security_army_industry/rheinmetall_presents_future_solution_of_155mm_howitzer_based_on_hx3_10x10_truck_chassis.html
the gun module is fully remote, so the crew doesn't have to leave the cabin, that makes it better than the Caesar
don't see how it's different than the Archer tho
AUTOBOTS ROLL OUT
>the gun module is fully remote, so the crew doesn't have to leave the cabin, that makes it better than the Caesar
2 things:
-no degraded condition functionality, like the archer. Something fricks up, it's a useless truck. The Caesar has backups and can be operated and laid on target like a traditional gun.
-Frickhuge and heavy
The caesar was made to be able to operate with a minimal logistical footprint in harsh environments.
>-no degraded condition functionality, like the archer. Something fricks up, it's a useless truck. The Caesar has backups and can be operated and laid on target like a traditional gun.
I kinda doubt that's so bad, modern systems should be reliable enough. Not having the option to do it fully remotely and autoloaded like the Caesar seems like a bigger con for sure.
>Frickhuge and heavy
that's true, it seems more heavy and big than it needs to be
>I kinda doubt that's so bad, modern systems should be reliable enough.
Use anything hard enough, something WILL frick up. Those guns are full of electronics and hydraulics subject to hard stresses through intense use.
Soviets introduced reliable autoloaders decades ago, I'm not too worried
>Use anything hard enough, something WILL frick up. Those guns are full of electronics and hydraulics subject to hard stresses through intense use.
The Archer was notoriously unreliable in the beginning, god knows what the current state is
systems should be reliable enough.
Murphy's law, the electronic and complicated thing you have, more problem you'll have,
>-Frickhuge and heavy
Being able to be airlifted is really a big plus for Caesar
>German
>inshallah
Grim but expected
it's called a joke sperg
Worse because the gun doesn't go through the driver's compartment anymore.
I thought it was only for getting it into an A400M?