I for one say Germany, Spain and South Korea should deliver Taurus now, together with an adapter to mount it to whatever planes the Ukies have flying now.
t. German
Taurus KEPD 350 is a Swedish-German air-launched cruise missile, manufactured by Taurus Systems and used by Germany, Spain, and South Korea. Taurus Systems GmbH is a partnership between MBDA Deutschland GmbH (formerly LFK) and Saab Bofors Dynamics.[
The missile incorporates stealth technology and has an official range in excess of 500 km (300 mi). It is powered by a turbofan engine at Mach 0.95 and can be carried by Tornado, Eurofighter Typhoon, Gripen, F/A-18, and F-15K jets.
The dual stage 480-kilogram (1,100 lb) warhead, called MEPHISTO (multi-effect penetrator highly sophisticated and target optimised), features a precharge and initial penetrating charge to clear soil or enter HDBT (hard and deeply buried targets) hardened underground bunker, then a variable delay fuze to control detonation of the main warhead. The missile weighs about 1,400 kg (3,100 lb) and has a maximum body diameter of 1 metre (3.3 ft). Intended targets are hardened bunkers; command, control, and communications facilities; airfield and port facilities; and ammunition storage; ships in port or at sea; area target attack and bridges.
The missile includes counter measures as a self-defence mechanism and electronic counter measures.
Mission planners program the missile with the target, air defence locations and planned ground path, then the missile uses a low terrain-hugging flight path guided by inertial navigation system (INS), image based navigation (IBN), terrain referenced navigation (TRN), and Global Positioning System (GPS) to the proximity of the target, although it is capable of navigating over very long distances without GPS support.
The missile know where it is at all times, because it knows where it isn't.
2x Taurus
Taurus and Storm Shadow have roughly the same technical capabilities.
2x Taurus on Grippen.
Boom, headshot!
Taurus on Eurofighter
A German praying to the Gods of Destroyed Ammunition Depots kneels before a Taurus mounted on a Tornado.
The man later got enlightened.
Taurus mounted on a F15E
>I for one say Germany, Spain and South Korea should deliver Taurus now, together with an adapter to mount it to whatever planes the Ukies have flying now.
It's gonna happen once the US decide to deliver ATACMS, same as with Leo 2s and the Abrams announcement
Why wait? Storm Shadow is in the field, both fill the same role.
Because it’s the theme of the war. The US crosses some red line and then everyone else does after.
It's usually little Satan (Britain) that crosses the lines first, then America has the excuse
That’s not what we’ve seen this war. Abrams cleared a path for challenger. HIMARS cleared a path for longer ranges munitions etc…
Thats wrong though?
>Abrams cleared a path for challenger
Exactly the other way around.
>HIMARS cleared a path for longer ranges munitions
Himars are good shit, but America refused to send longer range systems until the perfidious Anglos send Stormshadow.
The current party in Power, the SPD, has some really hardcore tankies sitting in important positions. Chancellor Scholz is trying really hard to frame all support for Ukraine as a team effort by all of NATO because he's trying to keep these tankies from using their considerable influence in his party to undermine him. The only kind of support for Ukraine where you will see him move ahead of the rest of NATO are (in theory) purely defensive weapons. See IRIS-T and Gepard.
This would be great MEPHISTO is leagues better than BROACH
>MEPHISTO is leagues better than BROACH
Source?
Spain and South Korea evaluated the two
Yes and now I'm asking you to source the specific information you claimed.
Show me the testing that proves it is better.
> This is similar in concept to the BROACH warhead in Storm Shadow, which uses a precursor charge to punch through hardened structures followed by the main change that can be fuzed for penetration mode when required, meaning it detonates after breaching the target. The MEPHISTO warhead can even be programmed to detonate on a specific pre-selected floor of a given building.
they’re almost the same except the mephisto is a little more precise with its detonation. For example mephisto can detonate on a specific floor of a building and BROACH can not. It’s not leagues better like the other guy said it’s just marginally better
So they added a slightly smarter fuze
Wow I should go replace my entire stock of storm shadow with glorious Korean missile today.
They added a programmable fuse. something Germany then used on the matador. In your words why is BROACH the better option
Because we already own it and manufacture it
Domestic production/design trumps a VERY slightly improved imported version.
The post didn’t say for Britain to replace their stormshadow warheads wtf. It said mephisto was better
It’s just nigel. He does that whenever British weapons aren’t praised
And SPEAR 4 will bring storm shadow back ahead
Then SPEAR 5 (now FC/ASW) will go even further.
Dude relax. Making statements like that comes off as extremely desperate.
>yeah but the thing in development 20 years later is better!
SPEAR 4 was probably canned anyway, it was an incremental update on storm shadow that was meant to enter service around 2025-27 but AFAIK that isn't happening and instead SPEAR 5 (FC/ASW) is going ahead at full steam as a full on storm shadow replacement to enter service around 2028-30.
>SPEAR 4 was probably canned anyway,
You mean implemented and now completed?
>https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mod-signs-146-million-contract-to-upgrade-rafs-long-range-missile
This is just embarrasing
>say something is cancelled
>see that is not and is actually now completed
>cry
>completed
The article you posted said the UK approved 150m for the midlife extension of stormshadow. Spear 4 wasn’t even mentioned
Frick sake its warriortard double posting again lmao hey wierdo looking for some recognition huh?
No you aren’t getting out of it that easily. You posted a link claiming that the spear 4 was completed but the link you posted was just a midlife refurbishment for the engines, a software update, and replaced cables and gaskets. You were wrong and now you’re using warriortard as a coping mechanism.
> The regeneration will consist of a midlife refurbishment of current missile parts such as the turbo-jet engine, an upgrade of the navigational system, and a like for like replacement of items such as the cabling, seals and gaskets.
> SPEAR Capability 4, mid-life update for Storm Shadow, saw a campaign of 4 test firings, including in GPS-denied conditions, at China Lake in Summer 2021
How did SPEAR 4 finish in 2017 when it was being tested in 2021?
> The regeneration will consist of a midlife refurbishment of current missile parts such as the turbo-jet engine, an upgrade of the navigational system, and a like for like replacement of items such as the cabling, seals and gaskets.
this isn’t spear 4 and I’m embarrassed for you that you thought it was
BTFO by
>midlife refurbishment program
>60 UK jobs
This is nothing
>published 2017
nigel is slipping
Contract award for SPEAR 4 was in 2017 which was the link i posted, the missiles have all been upgraded now.
>The UK Defence Equipment Plan 2021, released on 21 January 2022, confirmed that SPEAR Cap 4 was formally accepted into UK Royal Air Force (RAF) service in January. “Storm Shadow MLR/SPEAR Cap 4 entered into service in early 2022, following highly successful denied-environment trials during mid-2021,” an MBDA spokesperson told Janes . “The upgrade of the stockpile has been running for several years now and final upgrades are expected to complete in 2022,” the spokesperson added.
>https://www.linkedin.com/posts/leoneluca_update-mid-life-refurbishment-of-uk-storm-activity-6904047830453817344-SbAU/
Keep crying and i'll keep being right.
lmao you posted the midlife refurbishment link and thought it was spear 4 and now your posting linkedin
It's the same program moron. You've just been humiliated by be (and not for the first time) and now you're floundering and trying to cope your way out of it.
SPEAR 4 was awarded a contract in 2017 and the project had test firings in 2021 and was completed in 2022.
It's possible not all missiles were upgraded. The UK doesn't publish specific information about how many of a weapon it has and what versions it has. Often times we have whole weapon systems in service that are not public knowledge - the MANPAD version of Martlet being a good recent example.
Look you’re right about the spear 4 but when you posted the first link you posted the wrong link that’s why people are ganging up on you
I didn't post the wrong link at all. I posted an author on janes giving us his pay walled text via linkedin. Text which was black and white in it backing up what I said.
The first link was wrong and only discussed 150m for a midlife refurbishment program.
It was literally the commencement of the program we're talking about. It's also not just a refurb, it's new capability being added. That's the entire point of capability insert 4 (cap 4)
Wouldn’t this mean that Ukraine has spear 4 if the entire stockpile was upgraded in 2022
Is it typical for the only source to be a blogpost on linked in?
How about the manufacturer themselves? This is also from linkedin just as a frick you. There's plenty of sources out there if you'd bothered to look.
Please consider yourself rekt.
Hate to be that guy but this is just a weapons test. Delivery of spear 4 has never been confirmed though it’s possible that it happened. We just don’t know
Just post a reputable source that states the spear 4 has been delivered. Linked in social posts aren’t acceptable.
Google it for yourself, I've done enough to make a fool of you already.
>can’t provide source
>lol just Google it
Thanks for the concession so early
Pretty impressive
> For example mephisto can detonate on a specific floor of a building and BROACH can not
pretty sure BROACH has a configurable time delay fuze as well.
Would be cool but I never heard that. Want to post the source?
JSOW uses BROACH as well and has a time-delayed configurable fuse.
Wrong. Mephisto uses a distance measurer not a time measurer
Okay? I never said it was identical to MEPHISTO, I said it has a configurable time delayed fuze, which functionally allows it to have VERY similar capability, though it you wanted to make SURE you got the 5th floor instead of the 4th or 6th, MEPHISTO might be better. But realistically I doubt you'd notice much of a difference in terminal effect.
This has to be a British poster. Go on and show us that BROACH is as good
I think they bundle F-16 with Taurus missiles.
For what targets would this be used for?
I read that this could be an effective bridge killer. What else?
Reinforced concrete buildings, communications nodes, area targets, bunkers, tunnels
Bridges, bunkers, deep bunkers, ammo depots.
any hardened target
Pic related, JSOW uses BROACH as well which is basically the same thing MEPHISTO uses.
Bongs ruin everything
>create your own shill thread
>go complain about the thread you just created in another semi-related thread so you can draw attention to your new shill thread
i fricking hate you
Reach
go away dennis
This is one of the training Taurus, it has no payload, anti jamming or stealth, it has a few navigation systems and all flight systems. It's supposed to be reuseable, but i don't know how they would land it soft.
Mid flight. Taurus hugs the terrain in low flight during approach. Before it reaches it's target, it gains altitude and becomes semi-ballistic, depending on the target profile, more kinetic energy is colllected for bunker busting, less for bridge destroying.
The main systems.
South-Korea opted for a container launched Taurus.
These things can easily get shipped around.
Definitely not stealthy, it looks like it has some attention given to reducing RCS but stealth is by no means a primary design goal.
Taurus can be launched from different platforms with different payloads, depending on the target. I particularly like the pre-booster of the container launched version that "simulates" an air frame (top drawing in yellow).
It has some stealth features to reduce visibility in most of the bands used for military applications. But that stuff obviously is highly classified. Taurus GmbH only says it has stealth features.
Saying it's not stealthy is not accurate and needs a qualifier.
There was a powerpoint slide about using it as a launch platform itself for a large number of SMART/Bonus style rounds.
Imagine deleting an advancing mechanized army with 5 or so of these in one punch. Not sure if they continued that path.