Why the hate?
Sure they're not great carry pistols (I've never even heard of or seen someone carrying one myself), but they're not terrible to shoot and they're as close to a shotgun pistol as you can legally get. I don't understand why people hate them so much.
because they're hideous and ballistically moronic and basically a fricking meme for boomers
Conceptually cool but it's worse than a pure .45lc or a pure .410. The rifling makes the .410 disperse badly. From what I understand, that's due to shitty firearms laws requiring the rifling rather than an oversight in manufacturing. I have a friend of a friend who CCs one and I've fired it a few times. Seems like it would be a good snake gun.
the rifling is required to make it not a "smoothbore pistol" AOW under the NFA. it does stabilize 000 buck loads a bit, since the pellets are literally just stacked in a straight line, but destabilizes birdshot just like you said. the long gun version, the rossi circuit judge, has an optional choke designed to stop the shot cup's rotation - it does work somewhat to tighten up birdshot loads, but widens up buck patterns in turn.
>Seems like it would be a good snake gun.
My understanding is that snakes and small game are all .410 is really good for. Rossi has a single shot .410 that's only really been marketed as a snakeg0msy gun.
>Seems like it would be a good snake gun.
My rancher friend in SoDak swears by his Judge for this reason. He loads 2 rounds of snake shot for rattlers and then 3 rounds of .45LC in case he runs into anything nastier. Says he's killed many rattlesnakes with it.
>snake gun
have you ever once been accosted by a snake?
the real question is have either of you ever touched a gun
Yeah and the snake b***h took my house and gave me the clap. A good .410 would have saved me the trouble
.410 buck will blow a half dozen holes straight through a man at any indoor distances.
I guess it would make a half decent nightstand gun with buck loads if I lived in new jersey and didn't want to frick around figuring out which non-hollowpoint rounds were worth a damn
You can own and use hollow points in NJ. If you commit a felony while possessing them you get an enhancing charge.
T. NJ
Most of the hate they get comes from the fact they have few practical applications. They're big and heavy and have low capacity. They're not very accurate with pistol cartridges because the long cylinder has a huge amount of freebore before the bullet hits the forcing cone. They're not very good for shotshells because the rifling turbofricks the pattern. They perform alright with 000 like the other anon explained but remember how sort the barrel is, and the fact that .410 diameter shotgun wads don't seal properly in a .45 cal barrel. You're not getting the same kind of power out of those pellets that you would out of a full-length shotgun with a properly fitted wad. For defense or hunting anything bigger than a rabbit I'd rather have a .38 revolver. And I say this as a huge shotgun pistol nerd and the owner of 4 Judges, a S&W governor, and a Thunder Five.
IMHO the Judge and similar guns really have two main uses: fun range toys, and snake guns. Now the Circuit Judge carbine is a lot more useful, it's patterns are not as shitty since it has a choke and it gets more power out of the longer barrel. It's practical for hunting small game.
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I might get one if I was a python hunter in florida
The governer is nicer than the judge by a pretty wide margin and is cut for moonclips for 45acp…. If you really want weird magnum research sells a bfr in a 45/410 combination that has a neat looking rail along the barrel to look very “shotgun ish”. To be honest I bet you could run 454 and 460 in it… same cylinder wall sizes as both of those anyway..
If you actually want to use the pistol like a shotgun and you're unwilling to Form 1 something then then .410 BFR is the best on the market. It points really well, the rib is better suited to shotty style shooting, and most importantly it has a choke.
Didn't Madogre test one and it had trouble getting through denim?
>Why the hate?
no 'hate' (???) it gets scrutinized because people take it seriously when it's just a toy. Like a woman. The only people who are mad are the people not worth discussing anything with.