>600+ Songun 215/216
>1200+ Choma
>Unknown number of super #1 GI Joe looking tank
Am i taking crazy pills or do the current numbers relating to Russian armored forces mean that the DPRK tank forces now have rough numerical and even (averaged out) technological parity with Russia?
I can't imagine that 100% of those vehicles are in current active use.
However, I wouldn't doubt for a second that the M2020 and the Pokpung-ho/Songun are superior to the T-14 and the latest T-72Bs/T-90s in Russian service.
Also /r/equesting that Ukrainian review of the T-90M
Most probably are, they have been systematically moving T-55s and early Choma marks to second line/reserve units and replacing them with late generation Chomas and Songs.
Since most everything they make is a variant of the T-62 (or at least based on it) it's the one thing that they can make alot of as it makes them a pretty significant amount of money. They are the world's only real source of new T-62 parts, look at which nations that still use larcge numbers of them then note their diplomatic relations with North Korea. They match up almost perfectly.
It is higjhly probably that Russia is buying parts from them since they no longer manufacture them themselves which is hilarious if you think about it.
Image related, Korean-Russian debt payment negotiation outside of Vladivosk 2026, i.e the 'where's my money incident' colorized.
>I wouldn't doubt for a second that the M2020 and the Pokpung-ho/Songun are superior to the T-14 and the latest T-72Bs/T-90s in Russian service.
Norktards are now worse than Armatard
Anon, the Songun has a proven superiority to the T-14 in that it actually exists in numbers greater than three.
Also you probably have to actually shoot a North Korean tank before it explodes into flame which from publicly viewable data (i.e parades) is not the case with the T-14.
I don't care about mememata, but claiming that their tanks are superior to newest T-90 and T-72 tanks is pure absurdity
You must not have seen their performance in Ukraine. Utter dog shit.
And Nork tanks performed so much better. Oh wait, they have never seen real combat against enemy with real military.
Every single pro-nork talking point is the same
>look how much Russian equipment is failing against Ukraine, this surely means Nork tanks are actually good!
Nork weapons from tanks to Koksans to heavy MLRS have all been both used in combat and examined/tested by the US and every example works as advertized. Their 115mm AP is better than Russias as is Belgums and the UKs
A T-72b? compared to a Songun?
The capabilities almost identical beside the
Songun having better survivability (western style ammo storage) and more firepower (kornet clones) as well.
>Nork weapons from tanks to Koksans to heavy MLRS have all been both used in combat
I've asked about real war not African tribal warfare. Russian weapons were extremely good in those third rate wars but then hit a wall when faced actual military. That doesn't make Nork weapons good, if we replace all Russian T-90Ms and T-72B3 with equal amount of Nork tanks Russians would be in deep shit
>western style ammo storage
They don't have Western style ammo storage with real separate sealed compartment and blowout panels. Their inability to make autoloader is not a bonus
>and more firepower (kornet clones)
Once again, Norks never managed to create gun launched ATGM is NOT bonus for Norks
Iran and Iraq are not in africa silly.
So let me guess, when the US examined their APFSD rounds they lied about them having better penetration than the Russian rounds? Those oil feilds didn't really get blown up by Koksans? The US and UAE lied about the range and accuracy of their 330mm MLRS? The IDF and hezbollah are both lying about the Kornets?
>They don't have Western style ammo storage with real separate sealed compartment and blowout panels.
Just because Russia can't copy technology from a Sherman doesn't mean someone else can't either. And the autoloader is universally viewed by everyone as total garbage.
>Once again, Norks never managed to create gun launched ATGM is NOT bonus for Norks
Cope over Russia's gun launched ATGMs being trash and the DPRK having a more capable tank launched missile. Pathetic since they are using an improved version of something Russia invented.
How are those SATAN 2 missile tests going Vald?
>Iran and Iraq are not in africa silly
Yeah and it used barely any Nork weapons, also Nork weapons barely showed there anything
>when the US examined their APFSD rounds they lied about them having better penetration than the Russian rounds?
Their APFSD rounds have half of Russias newest 120mm penetration. I have no idea were you got that Americans said that Nork ammo is better than Russian
>Those oil feilds didn't really get blown up by Koksans?
I don't understand how this somehow makes their artillery "good". Hitting static objects is somehow sign of good artillery now?
>The IDF and hezbollah are both lying about the Kornets?
Kornet is Russian ATGM and pretty sure Kornet outperforms Bulsae-3
>Their APFSD rounds have half of Russias newest 120mm penetration. I have no idea were you got that Americans said that Nork ammo is better than Russian
Actually read what was written, their 115mm is 2x as good as the Russian rounds which Russia hasn't updated in nearly half a century but are using in Ukraine at this very moment.
>I don't understand how this somehow makes their artillery "good". Hitting static objects is somehow sign of good artillery now?
Hitting it from farther away than any other tube artillery on earth is pretty damn good.
>Kornet is Russian ATGM and pretty sure Kornet outperforms Bulsae-3
They are the same missile which Russia can barely produce which is why Syria, Hizbollah and Iran have to buy them from the DPRK, Russian production is so low they can't supply their own allies.
It so so funny to see how deranged Russians are, arguing that North Korean weapons are junk when they are almost all improved versions of the exact same weapons Russia is currently fighting with. You are saying that your own weapons are garbge but theirs are a little less garbage version than yours.
Norks have exceeded expectations time and time again. Russia has only fallen short, turned around, and walked back.
>Norks have exceeded expectations time and time again
No they didn't
When have these nork tanks been battle tested? For all we know that equipment is cardboard and paper mache.
Ethiopia, Iran, Eritria, Sudan, a few other African nations. Syria's fleet of T-55s was also upgraded by them recently.
>For all we know that equipment is cardboard and paper mache
So at least equal to the latest Russian technology.
Note the Russian shills not attacking the numbers but attacking instead the tanks despite most those tanks being improved versions of THE EXACT SAME TANKS RUSSIA IS USING RIGHT NOW.
Hey morons, if you are using base line T-62s and the DPRK is using improved T-62 variants with bigger and better weapons that means your stuff isn't as good as theirs dummies.
Kinda begs the question if Russia's stuff is so superior why is Russia buying weapons from the DPRK and Iran?
>Russias newest 120mm penetration
>120mm
May i see this 120mm Russian tank gun?