If you are young enough then quit your job and make a ton of $$$ self-employed. I see this shit all the time, learn to become a highly skilled pro and you always have work.
Yes, lots of time to acquire the skill to be a real pro. I worked with a master carpenter, you can get to that level still, or close enough, perhaps start part-time at first. You will need a set of quality tools etc., I practiced my joinery on my own house first.
What would be some good tools to start with? Is a union a good way to acquire skills, or are the rules and inefficiencies you hear about really that burdensome?
Depends on your focus, framer, finish carpenter, roofer, flooring, windows, general carpenter? I only make furniture now, but used to do a lot of finish carpentry. I had an air compressor for a finish nailer. Regardless, will need some quality hand tools, there is still a need for chisels, saws and planes, mitre box and saw, saw horses, clamps, levels etc., it's a long list. You will not regret spending your money on a high end sliding mitre saw like Festool. You can get a lot of work as a subcontractor just finishing houses, but that is a grind. If you could learn to be versatile so you could do renos, kitchens, bathrooms, framing and drywall, a bit of plumbing and electrical you will not get bored and make more $$ in the long run.
Figure out your focus first. You can also take a college/trade school course in carpentry, if you can afford the time to stop working for a period, that is probably your best option.
Thanks for the advice. I can afford to take a significant dip in salary for a time, but I don’t think I could go without income for any real length of time. Finishing work has a lot of appeal to me, but I’m guessing framers probably spend the most time outside? Getting out into the air is a real draw for me, but it also sounds like it’s harder to make as much that way, the work is more seasonal, and the competition is stiffer because it’s easier to get into. Is that true?
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You might not like all that fresh air in winter and the heat of summer. If I had to pick I would go with finish carpentry, it can lead into custom woodwork. I now only do custom woodwork and turn away jobs, it all started working for low wages with a master carpenter and gradually building my skill, tool collection and connections in the industry. Get a job on a finishing crew, you will be sick of trimming out houses but it's a start. The key selling point is speed and quality, you will never be without work.
Find a carpentry crew that hires new guys with zero experience and zero tools. They're out there. They'll train you up the way they want you to work and you buy your tools as you go. I worked for a crew like that for a few years. High end finish carpentry with some production home jobs to keep us busy. They were great. New guys from 20 to 50 years old starting out learning the trade. Had about 4 guys who had been with the company for over 20 years. Got paid not much, but the training and experience was well worth the dip in pay and benefits. Had to carry all my tools with me every day, set up and take down every day. Not easy. You start in the closet doing baseboard. We were expected to be able to base an entire house in one day in order to proceed to casing, then doors and cabinets. I got my chance to do it after about a year. I threw up 80 boards of 1x7, scribed base with a profile (I coped) and did nearly the whole house. There was a kid on his first week who took a few boards from me. Was so tired, could barely walk at the end of the day. All you really need to do well in that kind of crew is a truck or van and the ability to shut your mouth and listen. People who talk can't listen, nor csn they work very well at all.
This was a father-son run business. I think I started at $16/hr, which was a high start compared to many others, and I got an extra $1/hr pay raise after my first year I think. Tough to remember. Once you've been doing that work for about 6 years and you've done a good job, then you would be considered a journeyman; perfectly capable, well-rounded and able to tackle basically any finish job by yourself besides something a little more specialized like stairs, but it really just depends on who you worked well with, what jobs you got to be at and what the company was doing at the time. After 6 years of good experience, it should be no problem making at least $30/hr by yourself. In fact, now I expect you'd be able to charge mich more than that in highly populated areas. I don't know what the other guys at the company made, but I know they wouldn't take a side gig for less than $50/hr and the company was charging a minimum of $70/hr for each of us regardless of experience. I do know our company didn't pay exceptionally high, but our boss always made sure his guys had a job throughout the year, even when it was slim pickings. A lot of companies will hire, pay high and then let you go as soon as the jobs run out.
The time it takes you to become competent and marketable is partially up to you and partially up to the opportunities available in the company. I will say that I would have never learned the skills that I did while working in a union. I got truly stellar 1-on-1 job training from some highly skilled dudes doing some actually awesome jobs. Like real custom jobs on homes built in extremely wealthy neighborhoods. I have serious doubt that would happen in a union. Furthermore, I was responsible for owning and maintaining my own tools. While that does mean your tools get worn down on the job, it also means you actually have them and can use them well. Boss paid for consumables like saw blades and stuff.
Tell him to buy quality tools at the same time as working part time. That's moronic. You buy the minimally valuable tools you need to do the work you're doing, and replace as you go into the field.
Is 30 young enough
Yes, buy as cheap as you can, you lose only a little if you go the distance and sell / upgrade and lose little if you back out. Buying "quality" tools and then breaking them all making novice mistakes or sitting watching them judge you in mint condition on a wall cus you've no use for them is really dumb, don't do it.
Seconding this. Disclaimer, I don't work in construction however this is the advice I always give for my field as well. If it turns out you can't hack it, or maybe just don't like it as much as you thought, you've still got a set of useful home gamer tools when you need it, and it's not that big of an investment/you're more likely to be able to afford everything you need without going into debt. If you do like it, now you have cheap tools you're not afraid to beat up or customize when that inevitably comes up (the more complex tasks you're capable of, the more common making a custom tool out of your old harbor freight shit), and even if that doesn't come up, keep em at home for shit at home.
>buy as cheap as you can
why not just buy mid-range tools that will last years and be good enough for everything? i got one of those packs of makita power tools when i started and i still have most of it like 6 years later. i've upgraded most of the tools now but i definitely got my money's worth.
Cheap as you can doesn't mean as cheap as you can find, it means cheap as you can that will actually do the job, so something like you're describing is meant by that, just not a hand levelling plane for $2000.
What makes more money? Money is everything. Much of your life, at least a third, will be spent too old to work. Money makes life usable. Jobs come and go.
Whatever makes money, ideally with medical benefits and a vested retirement plan. Government jobs are a wise often overlooked choice because young men think in memes (on PrepHole anyway).
My current salary looks to be comparable to a journeyman's wages, before benefits. I don't know that I trust union pensions more than my current 401k, but the healthcare would probably be an improvement over the health-sharing ministry I'm a part of now. Right now, my hours are technically pretty flexible, but what that flexibility means is that works is never really quite over. Before I had a family, that wasn't quite an issue, but I hate the feeling of being on call when I'm trying to play with my son. It seems like I would be away from home more with a trade job, but when the day is done, it's done. The second factor is that I'm getting tired of renting out my mind to people whose opinion I hate. I think I'd rather spend my body and keep my mind to myself. The ceiling is probably higher in my current line of work, but I don't see how I get their without sacrificing my morals or my family, which I don't want to do.
>actual molding, not 1x select pine >tried to miter the quarter round
More effort and higher end materials than basically every house I've seen for sale in the past years.
Find a carpentry crew that hires new guys with zero experience and zero tools. They're out there. They'll train you up the way they want you to work and you buy your tools as you go. I worked for a crew like that for a few years. High end finish carpentry with some production home jobs to keep us busy. They were great. New guys from 20 to 50 years old starting out learning the trade. Had about 4 guys who had been with the company for over 20 years. Got paid not much, but the training and experience was well worth the dip in pay and benefits. Had to carry all my tools with me every day, set up and take down every day. Not easy. You start in the closet doing baseboard. We were expected to be able to base an entire house in one day in order to proceed to casing, then doors and cabinets. I got my chance to do it after about a year. I threw up 80 boards of 1x7, scribed base with a profile (I coped) and did nearly the whole house. There was a kid on his first week who took a few boards from me. Was so tired, could barely walk at the end of the day. All you really need to do well in that kind of crew is a truck or van and the ability to shut your mouth and listen. People who talk can't listen, nor csn they work very well at all.
This is really what I wish I'd done instead of or just after college. But the demands of life no longer give me the flexibility I once had. A Union Apprentice program seems to have a pretty reliable timeline of earning journeyman's wages. But it does seem like a union comes with disadvantages, and is it even possible to join without any meaningful experience? How does non-union pay compare? I know it's based on skill rather than time, but about how long would you say it takes to acquire the level of skill to earn roughly $30 an hour? Not trying to sound impatient. Just wanting to know the realities of what I would have to save before heading down that road.
This was a father-son run business. I think I started at $16/hr, which was a high start compared to many others, and I got an extra $1/hr pay raise after my first year I think. Tough to remember. Once you've been doing that work for about 6 years and you've done a good job, then you would be considered a journeyman; perfectly capable, well-rounded and able to tackle basically any finish job by yourself besides something a little more specialized like stairs, but it really just depends on who you worked well with, what jobs you got to be at and what the company was doing at the time. After 6 years of good experience, it should be no problem making at least $30/hr by yourself. In fact, now I expect you'd be able to charge mich more than that in highly populated areas. I don't know what the other guys at the company made, but I know they wouldn't take a side gig for less than $50/hr and the company was charging a minimum of $70/hr for each of us regardless of experience. I do know our company didn't pay exceptionally high, but our boss always made sure his guys had a job throughout the year, even when it was slim pickings. A lot of companies will hire, pay high and then let you go as soon as the jobs run out.
The time it takes you to become competent and marketable is partially up to you and partially up to the opportunities available in the company. I will say that I would have never learned the skills that I did while working in a union. I got truly stellar 1-on-1 job training from some highly skilled dudes doing some actually awesome jobs. Like real custom jobs on homes built in extremely wealthy neighborhoods. I have serious doubt that would happen in a union. Furthermore, I was responsible for owning and maintaining my own tools. While that does mean your tools get worn down on the job, it also means you actually have them and can use them well. Boss paid for consumables like saw blades and stuff.
You are welcome. Loved my job, my crew and the type of business our boss ran. Wish there was more of it in the US. Truly an incredible opportunity to go from nothing to building your own skills and tool base in an environment working for you. Beats the heck out of paying for school. Hope you guys can find what you're looking for.
That looks like my wife did it, including the wall paint. She fancies herself a DIYer. Every time she finds my cordless drill that I hid, I have to fix a bunch of shit the following day.
Unions are scams and a big slap in the face to all trades. They started from crooks and they work in this way still. You have no job security. they tell you where to shop. They tell you what car to drive. They tell you where you can eat. They tell you who to vote for. If you dont submit and be their b***h youre fired. You wont ever climb the ladder to a promotion. Youd be better off starting your own business and hiring dumbasses to work for you than joining a union. Job security in a union what a joke.
>Unions are scams and a big slap in the face to all trades. They started from crooks and they work in this way still. You have no job security. they tell you where to shop. They tell you what car to drive. They tell you where you can eat. They tell you who to vote for. If you dont submit and be their b***h youre fired. You wont ever climb the ladder to a promotion. Youd be better off starting your own business and hiring dumbasses to work for you than joining a union. Job security in a union what a joke. >I got mine, frick you
Ok, gramps. Now tell us the story where you could afford to rent a studio with only one job. Back when unions were more common. Oh shit, that was back when you could buy a house to store your stay at home wife with your fast food job.
>NGMI >It wasn't us boomers, its da jooooz
While the israelites are to blame for considerable problems, quit blaming other people for what you boomers did to us. This is what you did. You ruined everything you touched.
>be me >go to college for finance >plan on being a stock broker because money >junior year spend all of my loan/grant money on weed >ohshitIneedajob.jpg >look in paper >contractor hiring for slave labor $1 above min wage >call him, get the job, show up the next day >caulk windows for 8 hours straight >same thing the next day >hate life >after a while get promoted to the paint b***h >clean everyone’s shields and make sure the 5gal bucket gets filled every 15 min >after 3 months get promoted to the cut in guy >follow behind sprayers and cut in behind toilets and bottoms of doors >after a few months of watching the older employees paint tell the boss I think I can spray >gives me 5 min to prove myself >he’s impressed. Promoted me to spray guy. Bumps up my pay. >making $12 now in a town where the average pay is $6 because college kids flood the labor market. >realize I love working outside >realize I enjoy cutting wood >realize I love cutting Sheetrock and mudding >work for him for almost 3 years >get off ice job when I graduate >miss those three years every day >quit job start flipping houses at 30 >do all of the work myself >walk into a bank to deposit my checks >realize that if I had become a stock broker I probably would have killed myself >everyone whispers in banks and finance offices >I get to shit in a bucket occasionally >piss outside whenever I want >look like a dirty blue collar laborer daily >make 200k a year >feel accomplished at the end of the day >get to pass these skills down to my kids >life is pretty good
I just wish these jobs weren't always about SPEED SPEED SPEED MONEY MONEY MONEY
I'd rather get one less project done in the week, make a little less money, and have way less stress and bullshit every day. Guys wouldn't be getting injured and burnt out by 30-40 if people could just slow down a bit, and take more time to do a good job. But the bosses always want maximum income so that means maximum projects completed ASAP.
it's like this in every job where your boss is a boomer
craftsmanship is commonly thrown out the window because some boomer wants to make an extra $30 that day
If you told people to take their time and do a good job then they'll take forever. There's a point where spending more time on something yields diminishing returns not just on profit, but also on the finished product. It's just tough to give people who are generally paid by the hour the license to take their time, because they will. I do agree with your initial point, though. I personally think the "GO GO GO GET IT DONE" mindset is a big part of what's wrong with the world right now. Shoddy construction is just the worst and there is so much of it being thrown up right now. The difference is significant when you start looking at the timescale by decades and centuries as opposed to just years. The key to finding the happy medium is working for a crew that does high end custom homes and avoiding production work as much as you can.
Trades would be enjoyable if not for the noise and crews bothering you and managers telling you to stop doing that because theres something more urgent to do and cletus needs help and you can go back to your task later
I'm UBC, wage is decent union pays a lot better than non union at least where I'm at. Only thing that sucks is usually your options are either drywall, formwork, or scaffolding around here. All of which kinda suck. I used to do residential and liked the work a lot better but guys around only want to pay 25-30 for a jman where the union pays 40 plus real overtime and bennies. The trips to Vegas are cool too pretty impressive spot. I'm in Canada
I don't think you could handle. You can't fix pic rel by turning it black
That’s true, I haven’t handled a lot of caulk in my lifetime
you could fix it by just sanding it flat and painting it
Unions are for morons and lazy fricks.
But do you really get paid what they say you get paid?
Good goy, I'm sure your boss LOVES you
If you are young enough then quit your job and make a ton of $$$ self-employed. I see this shit all the time, learn to become a highly skilled pro and you always have work.
Is 30 young enough
OK grandpa
True, I’ll probably go gray before you get your braces off, but what’s an actual reason why I shouldn’t?
You’ll throw out your back pops just keep the desk job
Yes, lots of time to acquire the skill to be a real pro. I worked with a master carpenter, you can get to that level still, or close enough, perhaps start part-time at first. You will need a set of quality tools etc., I practiced my joinery on my own house first.
What would be some good tools to start with? Is a union a good way to acquire skills, or are the rules and inefficiencies you hear about really that burdensome?
Depends on your focus, framer, finish carpenter, roofer, flooring, windows, general carpenter? I only make furniture now, but used to do a lot of finish carpentry. I had an air compressor for a finish nailer. Regardless, will need some quality hand tools, there is still a need for chisels, saws and planes, mitre box and saw, saw horses, clamps, levels etc., it's a long list. You will not regret spending your money on a high end sliding mitre saw like Festool. You can get a lot of work as a subcontractor just finishing houses, but that is a grind. If you could learn to be versatile so you could do renos, kitchens, bathrooms, framing and drywall, a bit of plumbing and electrical you will not get bored and make more $$ in the long run.
Figure out your focus first. You can also take a college/trade school course in carpentry, if you can afford the time to stop working for a period, that is probably your best option.
Thanks for the advice. I can afford to take a significant dip in salary for a time, but I don’t think I could go without income for any real length of time. Finishing work has a lot of appeal to me, but I’m guessing framers probably spend the most time outside? Getting out into the air is a real draw for me, but it also sounds like it’s harder to make as much that way, the work is more seasonal, and the competition is stiffer because it’s easier to get into. Is that true?
You might not like all that fresh air in winter and the heat of summer. If I had to pick I would go with finish carpentry, it can lead into custom woodwork. I now only do custom woodwork and turn away jobs, it all started working for low wages with a master carpenter and gradually building my skill, tool collection and connections in the industry. Get a job on a finishing crew, you will be sick of trimming out houses but it's a start. The key selling point is speed and quality, you will never be without work.
Not that guy but thanks wise anon.
Tell him to buy quality tools at the same time as working part time. That's moronic. You buy the minimally valuable tools you need to do the work you're doing, and replace as you go into the field.
Yes, buy as cheap as you can, you lose only a little if you go the distance and sell / upgrade and lose little if you back out. Buying "quality" tools and then breaking them all making novice mistakes or sitting watching them judge you in mint condition on a wall cus you've no use for them is really dumb, don't do it.
Seconding this. Disclaimer, I don't work in construction however this is the advice I always give for my field as well. If it turns out you can't hack it, or maybe just don't like it as much as you thought, you've still got a set of useful home gamer tools when you need it, and it's not that big of an investment/you're more likely to be able to afford everything you need without going into debt. If you do like it, now you have cheap tools you're not afraid to beat up or customize when that inevitably comes up (the more complex tasks you're capable of, the more common making a custom tool out of your old harbor freight shit), and even if that doesn't come up, keep em at home for shit at home.
>buy as cheap as you can
why not just buy mid-range tools that will last years and be good enough for everything? i got one of those packs of makita power tools when i started and i still have most of it like 6 years later. i've upgraded most of the tools now but i definitely got my money's worth.
Cheap as you can doesn't mean as cheap as you can find, it means cheap as you can that will actually do the job, so something like you're describing is meant by that, just not a hand levelling plane for $2000.
>I deserve $50/hr
Lmaoooooooooooo
What should I do instead?
What makes more money? Money is everything. Much of your life, at least a third, will be spent too old to work. Money makes life usable. Jobs come and go.
Whatever makes money, ideally with medical benefits and a vested retirement plan. Government jobs are a wise often overlooked choice because young men think in memes (on PrepHole anyway).
My current salary looks to be comparable to a journeyman's wages, before benefits. I don't know that I trust union pensions more than my current 401k, but the healthcare would probably be an improvement over the health-sharing ministry I'm a part of now. Right now, my hours are technically pretty flexible, but what that flexibility means is that works is never really quite over. Before I had a family, that wasn't quite an issue, but I hate the feeling of being on call when I'm trying to play with my son. It seems like I would be away from home more with a trade job, but when the day is done, it's done. The second factor is that I'm getting tired of renting out my mind to people whose opinion I hate. I think I'd rather spend my body and keep my mind to myself. The ceiling is probably higher in my current line of work, but I don't see how I get their without sacrificing my morals or my family, which I don't want to do.
>actual molding, not 1x select pine
>tried to miter the quarter round
More effort and higher end materials than basically every house I've seen for sale in the past years.
to miter the quarter round
look again cleetus. on the other hand, just collect your pay and get lost.
>going into schizo rage because I didn't look at the side profile of a botched trim while taking a shit at work
Find a carpentry crew that hires new guys with zero experience and zero tools. They're out there. They'll train you up the way they want you to work and you buy your tools as you go. I worked for a crew like that for a few years. High end finish carpentry with some production home jobs to keep us busy. They were great. New guys from 20 to 50 years old starting out learning the trade. Had about 4 guys who had been with the company for over 20 years. Got paid not much, but the training and experience was well worth the dip in pay and benefits. Had to carry all my tools with me every day, set up and take down every day. Not easy. You start in the closet doing baseboard. We were expected to be able to base an entire house in one day in order to proceed to casing, then doors and cabinets. I got my chance to do it after about a year. I threw up 80 boards of 1x7, scribed base with a profile (I coped) and did nearly the whole house. There was a kid on his first week who took a few boards from me. Was so tired, could barely walk at the end of the day. All you really need to do well in that kind of crew is a truck or van and the ability to shut your mouth and listen. People who talk can't listen, nor csn they work very well at all.
This is really what I wish I'd done instead of or just after college. But the demands of life no longer give me the flexibility I once had. A Union Apprentice program seems to have a pretty reliable timeline of earning journeyman's wages. But it does seem like a union comes with disadvantages, and is it even possible to join without any meaningful experience? How does non-union pay compare? I know it's based on skill rather than time, but about how long would you say it takes to acquire the level of skill to earn roughly $30 an hour? Not trying to sound impatient. Just wanting to know the realities of what I would have to save before heading down that road.
This was a father-son run business. I think I started at $16/hr, which was a high start compared to many others, and I got an extra $1/hr pay raise after my first year I think. Tough to remember. Once you've been doing that work for about 6 years and you've done a good job, then you would be considered a journeyman; perfectly capable, well-rounded and able to tackle basically any finish job by yourself besides something a little more specialized like stairs, but it really just depends on who you worked well with, what jobs you got to be at and what the company was doing at the time. After 6 years of good experience, it should be no problem making at least $30/hr by yourself. In fact, now I expect you'd be able to charge mich more than that in highly populated areas. I don't know what the other guys at the company made, but I know they wouldn't take a side gig for less than $50/hr and the company was charging a minimum of $70/hr for each of us regardless of experience. I do know our company didn't pay exceptionally high, but our boss always made sure his guys had a job throughout the year, even when it was slim pickings. A lot of companies will hire, pay high and then let you go as soon as the jobs run out.
The time it takes you to become competent and marketable is partially up to you and partially up to the opportunities available in the company. I will say that I would have never learned the skills that I did while working in a union. I got truly stellar 1-on-1 job training from some highly skilled dudes doing some actually awesome jobs. Like real custom jobs on homes built in extremely wealthy neighborhoods. I have serious doubt that would happen in a union. Furthermore, I was responsible for owning and maintaining my own tools. While that does mean your tools get worn down on the job, it also means you actually have them and can use them well. Boss paid for consumables like saw blades and stuff.
This is really helpful to hear. Thank you.
You are welcome. Loved my job, my crew and the type of business our boss ran. Wish there was more of it in the US. Truly an incredible opportunity to go from nothing to building your own skills and tool base in an environment working for you. Beats the heck out of paying for school. Hope you guys can find what you're looking for.
That looks like my wife did it, including the wall paint. She fancies herself a DIYer. Every time she finds my cordless drill that I hid, I have to fix a bunch of shit the following day.
Carpenters are brotherfricking yellow scabs. Join UA or IBEW instead
Unions are scams and a big slap in the face to all trades. They started from crooks and they work in this way still. You have no job security. they tell you where to shop. They tell you what car to drive. They tell you where you can eat. They tell you who to vote for. If you dont submit and be their b***h youre fired. You wont ever climb the ladder to a promotion. Youd be better off starting your own business and hiring dumbasses to work for you than joining a union. Job security in a union what a joke.
>Unions are scams and a big slap in the face to all trades. They started from crooks and they work in this way still. You have no job security. they tell you where to shop. They tell you what car to drive. They tell you where you can eat. They tell you who to vote for. If you dont submit and be their b***h youre fired. You wont ever climb the ladder to a promotion. Youd be better off starting your own business and hiring dumbasses to work for you than joining a union. Job security in a union what a joke.
>I got mine, frick you
Ok, gramps. Now tell us the story where you could afford to rent a studio with only one job. Back when unions were more common. Oh shit, that was back when you could buy a house to store your stay at home wife with your fast food job.
>thinks unions are why things were cheaper back then
>doesn’t understand monetary policy
NGMI
>NGMI
>It wasn't us boomers, its da jooooz
While the israelites are to blame for considerable problems, quit blaming other people for what you boomers did to us. This is what you did. You ruined everything you touched.
>be me
>go to college for finance
>plan on being a stock broker because money
>junior year spend all of my loan/grant money on weed
>ohshitIneedajob.jpg
>look in paper
>contractor hiring for slave labor $1 above min wage
>call him, get the job, show up the next day
>caulk windows for 8 hours straight
>same thing the next day
>hate life
>after a while get promoted to the paint b***h
>clean everyone’s shields and make sure the 5gal bucket gets filled every 15 min
>after 3 months get promoted to the cut in guy
>follow behind sprayers and cut in behind toilets and bottoms of doors
>after a few months of watching the older employees paint tell the boss I think I can spray
>gives me 5 min to prove myself
>he’s impressed. Promoted me to spray guy. Bumps up my pay.
>making $12 now in a town where the average pay is $6 because college kids flood the labor market.
>realize I love working outside
>realize I enjoy cutting wood
>realize I love cutting Sheetrock and mudding
>work for him for almost 3 years
>get off ice job when I graduate
>miss those three years every day
>quit job start flipping houses at 30
>do all of the work myself
>walk into a bank to deposit my checks
>realize that if I had become a stock broker I probably would have killed myself
>everyone whispers in banks and finance offices
>I get to shit in a bucket occasionally
>piss outside whenever I want
>look like a dirty blue collar laborer daily
>make 200k a year
>feel accomplished at the end of the day
>get to pass these skills down to my kids
>life is pretty good
That’s my input. DYOR
>realize I love cutting Sheetrock and mudding
I don't believe you.
I just wish these jobs weren't always about SPEED SPEED SPEED MONEY MONEY MONEY
I'd rather get one less project done in the week, make a little less money, and have way less stress and bullshit every day. Guys wouldn't be getting injured and burnt out by 30-40 if people could just slow down a bit, and take more time to do a good job. But the bosses always want maximum income so that means maximum projects completed ASAP.
it's like this in every job where your boss is a boomer
craftsmanship is commonly thrown out the window because some boomer wants to make an extra $30 that day
If you told people to take their time and do a good job then they'll take forever. There's a point where spending more time on something yields diminishing returns not just on profit, but also on the finished product. It's just tough to give people who are generally paid by the hour the license to take their time, because they will. I do agree with your initial point, though. I personally think the "GO GO GO GET IT DONE" mindset is a big part of what's wrong with the world right now. Shoddy construction is just the worst and there is so much of it being thrown up right now. The difference is significant when you start looking at the timescale by decades and centuries as opposed to just years. The key to finding the happy medium is working for a crew that does high end custom homes and avoiding production work as much as you can.
Trades would be enjoyable if not for the noise and crews bothering you and managers telling you to stop doing that because theres something more urgent to do and cletus needs help and you can go back to your task later
I'm UBC, wage is decent union pays a lot better than non union at least where I'm at. Only thing that sucks is usually your options are either drywall, formwork, or scaffolding around here. All of which kinda suck. I used to do residential and liked the work a lot better but guys around only want to pay 25-30 for a jman where the union pays 40 plus real overtime and bennies. The trips to Vegas are cool too pretty impressive spot. I'm in Canada