Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
Are they saving the remaining newly trained and equipped brigades for the main line in Zapo?
Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russias main line of defense?
Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
Are they saving the remaining newly trained and equipped brigades for the main line in Zapo?
I have the find the satellite images, but there are gaps in the defensive works which ukraine will likely focus on
Although these are almost certainly mined and will need clearing
The gaps will be pre-sighted for artillery too, so it still remain a serious challenge. Russia is well aware the if Ukraine captures Meitopol then this war will end strongly in Ukraine's favour.
However what it all comes down to is the fighters on the ground; and Russia's are inexperienced, demoralized, and trained to blindly follow MUH ORDERS (from idiots).
This will end way faster than most people expect.
Can you clear minefields with arty?
Not really long range
Hope that Russian retreat turns into a rout past the defensive lines. If not, very slowly and at significant cost of manpower and equipment
>Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
they don't.
>this is a legitimate military tactic
huh
Flanking is illegal tactic
it would be shorter if you used a big ramp. and just jumped over.
They are saving them for when they have penetrated. They will pour inn and start fricking things up from behind
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>1 week into counteroffensive
>no footage of challys obliterating t-55s
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It will be RPGs obliterating de-armored Challies
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Simple. Russian morale is shit and the commanders are fricking idiots. They'll break under the pressure.
>Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
They simply don't have the airpower or artillery needed to do so
The Russian lines won't hold with a wall of Ukrainians advancing right at them. They'll panic and run.
Guy is Ukie NCO if somebody didn't know.
What if they don't. At some point it won't be mobiks in the trenches, but real troops, who will stand and fight.
>Real troops
Which ones? Chechens and Wagner are competing to save MUH BELOGROD, VDV got transferred to make sure Bakhmut stayed in Russian hands. Lot of manpower got moved from the South to the North and East.
Which then leaves Kherson wide open, lol. What will they do then? March all the way BACK to Kherson assuming the Ukrainians even let them? Sooner or later, the waters will recede and Ukraine will cross the river without any resistance (Russian forces & fortifications got displaced by the massive flooding).
>what will they do then
I get the sense the RuAF command is operating on a “cross that bridge when we get there mentality”.
That's stupid then. They're keep robbing Peter to pay Paul.
They're trying to defend Belogrod, Kherson, Zapo, AND Bakhmut. You know what an absolute Logistical nightmare it will be for the Russians to supply that many points?
Sooner or later, one or more of those fronts will fricking collapse and Ukraine will exploit the collapse.
>robbing Peter to pay Paul.
This is pretty much the Russian situation in a nutshell, for manpower, ammunition, you name it. They're just stretched too thin and don't have the force generation capability to plug the gaps
That was the Ukrainian plan all along. Exploit Putin's EGO. He just can't let any front be threatened by "Not Real" Ukrainians. He just has to defend EVERYTHING.
Interior vs exterior lines, many such cases
Russians were always shitty with Logistics. Ukrainian attacks just make them that much worse.
>(Russian forces & fortifications got displaced by the massive flooding).
Maybe the first line.
But like someone else said, they ALSO moved all their best units away from Kherson to Zapo. All that's left are Conscriptovitches. They left that spot vulnerable.
And AFU did recive quite a large number of amphibious vehicles.
Welp, I just suggested it on /misc/. Because the pro-Vatniks hate me there, they'll dismiss the idea it could happen even more, lol.
They will run if that happens
>Sooner or later, the waters will recede
It's gonna take an absolute frick ton of time until that happens and the new swampland dries to mud and then dries again so it's crossable with heavy vehicles
Wait, so the Russians are going to move their best troops from Kherson out in the open where Ukrainians can blast them to hell via long-range fire, kek?
Let's see how many survive to reach Zaporizhshia. Ukraine loves to blast troop concentrations as they move.
Didn't Uikies just blow up a crucial rail bridge between those two regions?
Reinforcement might be delayed.
They’ve also been shelling convoys going from there.
They've wisely hammered Russian Logistics. Even when Russians TRY to stand and fight, they'll run out of bullets, lol.
Smart. Create bottleneck and send blessings from HIMARS.
That's not nice is it? Someone could get hurt.
They had 3 strikes on rail lines in 2 days now
They did, but that bridge is extremely short and easily repairable - it bridges a canal that is only about 5m wide at that point.
The numbers are exaggerated. The Russians who fought at Kherson, and managed to escape, were very good soldiers (by Russian standards at least).
been rumors of an assault towards kreminna too, looks like all their “real troops” are gonna be tied up
>implying russia has enough real troops left to make a difference
also lmao the “real troops” are getting their teeth kicked in on bakhmut’s flanks
The VDV there can't afford to move back South now. They're too busy fighting with Ukrainians.
Hell even earlier a LOT of Southern-based Russians got transferred to the Donbas front. It's gotten progressively short on "real troops".
The guys around Orkhiv that kicked that armored columns teeth in were good. Tbe problem is there are only so many units like that. If they're fixed in place they can't sure up other areas with potential breakthroughs.
It was all a ruse?
They need Polohy, towards the west of the map. If they take it then Tokmak is available.
that's still 10km away
>Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
Depends, I got a feeling that line is like the T-14 Armata, mostly a propaganda show without military value.
Just remember that the main defining characteristic of the Russians is that they are cowards. They enjoy a casual genocide from artillery range or gunning down elderly couples from a BMP But if it comes down to fighting themslves they will either commit sudoku or just flee.
Correct. They seem terrified of being on defense, lol.
Posts like this make /k/ lame to have conversations on.
They continue their wide, attritional, battle until the most well defended lines lack vehicles, artillery, and troops to adequately defend, at which point they break through and unhinge the defenses.
Concentrate all your force in a few key sectors to create breakthroughs that can then be exploited by a mobile reserve. I actually think advancing through open fields bordered by windbreaks is more treacherous; you know where a trench is, it isn't going to expose you to an ambush and you can attack it with artillery.
Has Ukraine been given any M58 MICLIC and if so any footage of them in use?
Yes they have and yes there is. They used it in Bakhmut.
I think that was a UR-77 Meteorit (basically the Russian MICLIC). But yes they have the MICLIC as well.
on the subject of real troops, does Russia insert mobiks into experienced units or do they have their own battalions?
I’ve been wondering if the potency of regular units has been reduced by the infusion of inexperienced personnel
I think it's all very ad hoc
they do both. especially VDV got a lot of transfusions of extra mobiks to keep those units moving
Marine assualt brigade got rebuilt with only mobiks twice
Firstly, at least 3 out of 9 NATO trained brigades are already accounted for, with another 2-3 being very likely accounted for.
It depends. It very, VERY strongly depends. An army on the run has the nasty habit of staying on the run if not reigned in, but not only that;
For all the talks for "main defensive line"; its mostly bullshit.
The main defensive line for most sides in any reason except for Bakhmut is the first line. Because once a battle keeps going on in a static battle, it will progressively drag more equipment from the rear lines to the front; though the "main defensive line" will have more trenches, pillboxes and dugouts, what it will have less is forward weapon storages, short range cannon emplacements, vehicle dugouts, forward defensive points, landmines and a whole host of other things, as these are just applied in a "doctrinally sound matter" (which is never enough) and the rest gets pushed to the front.
A lot of defenses actually only manifest due to the protracted effects of battle. A darwinian shitshow will end up creating the perfect dugouts, machine gun nests, vehicle funnels, artillery sightings and cannon emplacements by all the poor alternatives simply getting blown to fricking pieces. In a sense, any defensive line needs battle to mature.
TL;DR: If Ukraine keeps momentum, subsequent defensive lines are inspection ready, not battle ready, and will be destroyed.
rumor has it the main strike has not yet launched and its location will surprise everybody
basically ukis threw their shiny leos into combat and now everybody is thinking thats where the tip of the spear is
we are spectators to the highest iq play of the war
once the primary minebelts are cleared they can just start pouring all their reserves through the breach, the first 2-3 weeks of offensive will be a slow crawl through the lines, but the remaining weeks will be a broad sweep
Basically it will be a repeat of the Hundred Days Offensive on the Hindenburg line. You do a mixture of grand battles and smaller probing attacks that seize ground that culminate in the line being breached, once that happens the line disintegrates in short order, morale collapses and heavy equipment is simply left behind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive
>Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
They don't. Look, Ukraine does not have capabilities to do this, Russia has quantitative superiority on all directions. Yeah, you may argue that T-55 is worse than Leopard etc, but it doesn't matter because Russia has so many T-55s that it will easily repel any further Ukrainian counterattack.
How many T-55s do you believe russia to have?
>T-54 will stop western tankers manned with decently trained men AND actual LOGISTICS
Now you're just lying through your teeth, kek.
T-54 can function as a self propelled dragons tooth, offensive cancelled. Better luck next time hohols.
They were assumed to have no T55's.
And should have about 7000 or so T72's left by their own numbers.
Almost like mass operation, poor maintenance, poor storage and bad strategy results in you suffering a rate of equipment attrition that will quickly turn most of your vehicle fleet into rather poor spare parts as you frantically try to keep whatever you can field in the fight.
T-34 when?
Ardennes
vatniks forgot to set up defence lines in the interior of east side of russian occupied south. You break through enough to reach that point, then you flank the defsive lines simultaniously.
Routing is the only option if you get flanked while fixed to a line formation
I.e the Russians were idiots, again.
>Tactically speaking, how do the Ukies break Russia’s main line of defense?
which of the defensive lines you even consider the "main"? the first defensive line is certainly not the most fortified, it's the one supposed to be ceded in case of a major breakthrough. how do ukrainians achieve that? that breakthrough was supposed to occur within the first 24 hours. so at this point, a WEEK later, the ukrainians should either call the entire thing off or call in on direct nato air support.
>Are they saving the remaining newly trained and equipped brigades for the main line in Zapo?
did you somehow missed that part when the ukraine’s elite 47th brigade was leading the offensive southwest of orekhovo on june 8th? that was the tip of the spear, the brigade which has (or rather had, lmao) the highest concentration of nato gear of any brigade in the ukrainian army, as well as the highest concentration of volunteers (as opposed to draftees), and what’s considered to be the sharpest leadership, and likely the most intensive training/attention from the globohomo. if this brigade can’t do the job, THEN NO OTHER UKRAINIAN BRIGADE WILL.
>that breakthrough was supposed to occur within the first 24 hours
Source?
>There is perhaps only one way for Ukraine to escape the scourge of attrition in the opening hours of the upcoming offensive: set off paralysis in the Russian military leadership and panic across the Russian rank and file. Ukraine’s greatest chance of success will come if Russian soldiers skedaddle from advancing Ukrainian forces without putting up much of a fight. Even if the correlation of forces were advantageous for Ukraine, that alone would not be sufficient to attain these effects. Rather, intangible factors such as tactical surprise, battlefield leadership, and fighting morale will likely be decisive in the first 24 hours of an attack. These intangible factors—not weapons alone—will help define whether the Ukrainians succeed in panicking the Russians, paralyzing the Russian military leadership, and causing a temporary breakdown of command and control. In this scenario, Ukrainian armored columns punch through layered Russian defenses, quickly advance into the Russian rear, and threaten command and control nodes like military headquarters and supply centers, compounding the panic and paralysis.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-attack-bakhmut-himars/
so much for that skedaddle
I asked for a source, not someone speculating on how Ukraine might conduct its attack. Now post where a Ukrainian general said they have to break through within 24 hours or it doesn't count
>did you somehow missed that part
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>says increasingly nervous man
>the ukrainians aren't winning fast enough for me
anon here, sorry i used an old map, i updated it for you doubters.
>SOS
Okay I laughed.
>armchair OSINT says they need 24 hours to establish tempo against a heavily fortified defensive line
so "some moron said it" is ur source?
good morning sir
They are gonna send forward the Slovenian T-55
michael kofman before the offensive was saying that he estimates it should take ukraine about 2-3 weeks before they even begin to approach tokmak
that’s if everything goes perfectly well once the russians blink and commit their reserves to defend their second line. there’s no other way around it and this is the battle to end all battles for ukraine to be honest.
it’s their land and their future. they are fully aware that if they do not take Tokmak, they have no hope of slicing the southern land bridge so this is an all or nothing type of confrontation.
i also think that ukraine is very much willing to use every single piece of armor they have to accomplish taking tokmak because the west will likely resupply them, no one is going to resupply the russians.
I wonder what their training was. NATO officers training them definitely know they're gonna lose vehicles at a pretty heavy rate compared to what NATO equipment is usually expected to experience, simply because of the lack of air superiority
Even within those parameters, it'll be interesting to analyze what mistakes they ended up making which increased their losses further (personally I think they fricked up in that minefield) but I'm not gonna try to discuss it on a board full of spamming vatBlack folk while the offensive is going on
Basically, this war is gonna be great for the history books
>no one is going to resupply the russians.
they have their own factories unlike Ukraine lol
Turns out you need ball bearings for your tank factory.
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure the Palantir AI figured out an optimal battleplan already.