Both fudd boomers and chris costa tacticool vet bros seem to hate them. Why are tactical shotguns disliked so much?
Let's discuss tactical shotguns
Both fudd boomers and chris costa tacticool vet bros seem to hate them. Why are tactical shotguns disliked so much?
The only tactical thing is how it slides up my ass nicely. Form fitting. They have a great profile for stuffing my colon.
Post pics or your mom dies tonight, liar.
My mom died in April moron get owned
Fine, your cat dies in her place then, now post proofs of shotgun in your colon, dumbass.
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Revolver chuds btfo'd.
are they disliked? pretty sure everyone thinks they're cool its just that being a 'shotgunner' in a martial setting is very silly in a world of ARs.
morons will say 'anti drone' defense.
‘anti drone’ defense
>'anti drone' defense.
I want to form anti drone teams dressed in britbong meme shooting outfits. Armed with finest O/Us.
I mean sure $10 aliexpress 2.4/5GHz jammer would work better and free you to do other shit. But think of the sovl.
what if portable minigun in 5.7mm for shooting down drones?
>Both fudd boomers and chris costa tacticool vet bros seem to hate them
that's how you know they're awesome
>t. Benelli M4 enjoyer
This. If it's too hard for a boomer to run, ya know it's fun and they're just fudding because they're out priced.
Don't confuse the statement:
>Shotguns aren't the optimal combat weapon
with
>I hate shotguns
People love them. They're fun to shoot, they look cool in movies and games and all that, and while they might not be the optimum min-maxed combat weapon they're plenty good enough for defense scenarios.
You just can't pretend you're gonna hunt with it
are those holosun 510s good enuf for semi auto shotguns? thinking of getting one for my a300 patrol
mossberg did endurance testing on them and found they handled 12ga pretty good
They're good for removing pork
The comp mods arent optimzed for fun. Its not nicer to shoot. I dont mean painful or anything just not enjoyable the same way a clay gun is.
They are optimized for ruleslawyering and a stupid ruleset that doesnt hve much in common with reality.
>Why are tactical shotguns disliked so much?
black plastic that gAyR gays like, but with recoil (they hate)
shotgun, which fudds like, but with pic rails (they hate)
>Hated
Its simple anon, it's because it's a skill issue. The only issue with the shotgun is keeping it fed and 80% of larperators are too tard to learn dual loading or quad loading. Shotguns are extremely slept on and it's hilarious.
>pimped out 930 owner
>Shotguns are extremely slept on and it's hilarious.
They are indeed, and I've gotten 12 gauge snapcaps so I can do dry drills with my Mossberg 590.
The judge defender makes me wish the BFR was double action so I could bubba it into the former.
Didn’t Chris costa show up in the Magpul dynamic shotgun class?
Yes and to this day in Costa's channel he has a few videos on shotguns and lever actions.
>the virgin tactidweeb shotgun
vs
>the gigachad competition blaster
How good would that be as a dedicated turkey and duck blaster?
>>the gigachad competition blaster
What are you on about? That doesn't have the mag capacity to be competitive in 3-gun, and doubles rule clay sports.
>what are extended mag tubes and blocks
Toni system makes a blue toob that looks pretty damn great on it. I'd post mine but I'm out of town for the holidays.
Very.
>it's a gigachad competition blaster with aftermarket parts on it.
Gotcha.
Comes with a block from the factory for clays but sure bud go off
you just bought it cause its cheaper.
The comp is more expensive?
its about 300 dollars cheaper than the tactical version. the comp PRO is about the same price as the tactical.
ok, at that price why not just get the M4? Ive fondled both in the store and the Benelli is smoother.
They're equally smooth, and the Beretta is a lot lighter.
Beretta is lighter and shoots faster (on paper)
the M4 has durability and a damn-near flawless track record on its side but like other people have said the 1301 is like two pounds lighter.
1301 pros: widened/beveled loading port, less stiff shell stop (Benellis are way too stiff out of the box), larger/better controls, lighter weight, better/easier aftermarket (IMO), cycles faster (but doesn't really matter in practice)
M4 pros: durability, track record, doesn't use a gay barrel clamp, tames recoil better, cleaner gas system, metal rear sight, can field strip the gun using only the bolt handle
>doesn't use a gay barrel clamp
You don't need a barrel clamp on a 1301. People just use them to mount lights or slings, but there are other ways to do that.
>can field strip the gun using only the bolt handle
You don't need any tools to field strip a 1301, provided you aren't using a barrel clamp.
No you don't ~need~ a barrel clamp but barrel clamps are used for rigidity. I know that people see an M-Lok and QD slot and assume that's why the clamp is on there, but that's not the case. The clamp is there to prevent the mag tube assembly from getting damaged when it smacks into things. I already listed durability as a pro for the M4 and if your 1301 doesn't have a barrel clamp that only makes it even less durable compared to an M4. Will that be a problem in civilian defensive use? Idk maybe, maybe not. I also don't really consider it a full field strip if you don't take the trigger assembly out. You'd be amazed how many plastic shell bits and carbon can wind up in there.
>I know that people see an M-Lok and QD slot and assume that's why the clamp is on there, but that's not the case
It is on a tactical shotgun. The extra support you get from a barrel clamp only matters if you're running a long-ass mag tube that extends past the barrel. I spoke to Nordic Components about this, they were very clear that a clamp is not important on a small +2 extension like on the 1301. And it would be in their best financial interest to bullshit me and tell me I need one so they can sell it to me
Many tactical guns with a 7-round mag tubes use/have used a clamp, even without a rail slot. It's not a new concept. I'm not saying it's the end of the world to not have one, I'd even agree with you that it's better to just take off because they are shit. I'm just saying that it utilizes one for rigidity and the M4 supports its magazine tube without needing one. It's a more durable design than the 1301. I do think the 1301 is the better buy out of the box, but I don't subscribe to the idea that it's better than the M4 in every single way.
>Many tactical guns with a 7-round mag tubes use/have used a clamp, even without a rail slot. It's not a new concept. I'm just saying that it utilizes one for rigidity
I know Beretta ships their guns with a plastic clamp, which is obviously not adding rigidity. For other manufacturers, it's one of those overkill things that they really don't need to do, unless they have really shitty threads, I guess. As far as the 1301 is concerned, though, this isn't even my own opinion. I'm just parroting what I was told by a company that specializes in high-quality mag tubes and clamps.
>I don't subscribe to the idea that it's better than the M4 in every single way.
No, of course not, me neither. The deciding factor between the two for me was the lighter weight of the 1301, but had that been equal, I would have bought an M4.
For me, I think the easier loading and the fact that they come very near to how you'd want them set up out of the box are huge 1301 selling points. Unless you shell out for an LE model, Benellis need modifying and the parts are expensive plus 922(R) shenanigans (if you care). Ends up being a lot of cash and a lot of bullshit to put up with. It seems like the market has rallied around the 1301 so I see its aftermarket getting way more attention than Benelli going forward.
>Benellis need modifying and the parts are expensive plus 922(R) shenanigans (if you care).
Not a concern for me, not that I don't have a lot of bullshit leaf laws to deal with instead. It's still nice to be able to just buy the Nordic tube on the 1301 and be done with it, for sure
Even better, the new 1301s are coming with one-piece 7-round mag tubes out of the box.
I get stoppages for random shit on my 1301, usually winchester slugs. Magpul stock also comes loose. Considering ditching it for a M4. What should I do bros?
Comp Pro has the kickoff recoil system which reduces recoil a ridiculous degree, so you can actually make use of the blink action's speed. the a400s are stupid easy to keep on target, at least when I got to shoot one.
Good thing I'm talking about the comp pro then. Street prices are different than msrp
It is a comp pro you no gunz moron
>semi auto
ngmi
Impoverished hands typed this post
>he doesn't know even entry level clay O/U shotguns are thousands of dollars
Mad and moronic is no way to go though life bud
There are other types of competitions than clays
Damn that's crazy, post yours?
While the 686 is the go-to O/U rec for new clay shooters, the franchis arent bad at all either and come in at under $2000, whereas the beretta silver pigeon is $2000 even at big box stores. Shame, pre pandemic they were like $1700 and a great entry point into the OU market.
>Why are tactical shotguns disliked so much?
Too heavy, too long, too much recoil, slow rate of fire (pumps), short ranged, slow reloading and heavy bulky ammo.
A rifle does everything better and if I were to have a tacticool shotgun, I'd want something AR based (preferably in 20 gauge).
>Too heavy,
Work out.
> too long,
No they arent.
> too much recoil
Hahahahaha! The recoil is the best part!
>, slow rate of fire (pumps),
Literally a skills issue.
>short ranged,
100 yards with a slug, well within most engagement distances.
>slow reloading
Skills issue.
>and heavy bulky ammo.
Work out.
>A rifle does everything better
If you're a woman.
>and if I were to have a tacticool shotgun, I'd want something AR based (preferably in 20 gauge).
Because you're a woman.
cope
No sign of an argument coming, ma'am.
Your whole screed boils down to
>I'm a pussy who can't carry a few shells or handle 12 gauge recoil
And
>I don't have the skills the weapon requires and won't work to get those skills.
If anyone's coping it's gayR homosexuals.
Why don't you put on a strapon so you can pretend that you're a man, and go shoot some clays or something?
I'd be seething this hard too if I was objectively inferior
#
homie, YOU are objectively inferior.
If 12 gauge recoil is too much for you to handle, then that should be obvious.
#
A detailed list of manlet complaints from unskilled shooters.
#
I point shot your mom and she seemed okay with.
Dude. A workable AR is 500 bucks. The only one seething and inferior here is you. Everyone owns an AR in this board (with the exception of non Americans). Lol. But not everyone can afford a quality semi-auto shotgun. Which are objectively superior for instant incapacitation.
>Which are objectively superior for instant incapacitation.
that must be why everyone whos job it is to kill people uses a rifle instead.
Here's Delta with an M1014.
That lankety lankster? They look like airsofters.
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Don’t have to be 250 pounds to ventilate a third worlder.
Skip your reading comprehension classes again, sport?
>appeals to masculinity to defend his totem weapon in a thread talking about their practicality.
let me guess, you also advocate point shooting revolvers.
> detailed list of negative aspects
> Well... ur a gay!
Shotguns are objectively worse than carbines, this is gigacope
You can spend half the time practicing with one and be twice as effective as a shotgun, this is obvious to anyone who has actually trained with both
Objectively a worse choice for the gay larp where you leave your house with a long gun and and your gear on and go pew pew pew, reload multiple times and become the main character. Carbine much better for that.
I disagree, they're good for consistent pattern placement with buckshot.
Objectively the worse choice for anything but shooting hinges off doors or birds in flight.
Look Black person if you're doing patrols in Syria feel free to go with a carbine. If you're just a civilian, the most you'll ever need to do is drop one or two TV appropriators at extremely close range. You will never leave your property and fight with a carbine.
But the AR is even better for that. Smaller, lighter, 30 rounds, insane modularity, less recoil, and intermediate cartridges, as best as we can tell are just as likely to incapacitate in one torso shot than a 12 gauge is. Also a functional ar is like half the cost of a functional semi auto shotgun.
>1301
This
A shotgun is a breaching tool.
Simple as.
>>Too heavy,
>Work out.
Fun fact, if you work out to perform okay with a heavier weapon, your strength will allow you to perform even better with a lighter weapon.
>Too heavy
wat? most shotguns weigh less than ARs
I think its easier to put a bead on someone's vague chest area and hit them 8 times in 1 shot, but thats me. Shotguns are more forgiving in terms of aim. If you hit you very likely wont need to hit again.
>most shotguns weigh less than ARs
My 870 weighs over 7 pounds, but shotguns are typically much longer than ARs, which makes their weight distribution really poor. My 18” 870 has like a 40” OAL and my 16” ar has a 32” OAL. That makes a big difference in perceived weight.
find 1 time any civilian has ever had to fire 30 rounds of ammo. A single box of 00 has all the ammo you could conceivably need for a real fight, let alone a hunt, and that would be 25 rounds x ~8 pellets = 200 projectiles.
I've been in firefights in Afghanistan in which I didn't fire 30 rounds, because I only shot when I had a positively identified target (the ANA weren't very good at communicating their positions and I was trying to avoid blue on blue).
The idea that you MUST have 30 rounds as home defense is moronic.
You need 30 round mags to have some parity with the federal government so they don't reenact Ruby Ridge.
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>too much recoil
means its more powerful
dont you want the more powerful gun anon?
For me, semi auto 12s have perks over pump 12s, mainly due to chronic shoulder injuries slightly decreasing my recoil tolerance. But for a 20 gauge, pump is just fine. Other than that, quick follow up shots are a more universal perk.
can't have ARs anymore here, so if i want to tacticool LARP i gotta get a shotgun.
Who says you can't?
Move to America.
Nah I’ll leave that to the Mexicans, chinks and poos
Why can't we just have cool guns to enjoy and use as range toys/safe queens? I've never understood this mentality that every gun needs to be practical for some moronic fictional LARP SHTF situation where you're gonna be getting into shootouts with your fully armored neighbor or whatever. You can OWN more than one gun, why can't we just have cool stuff.
>Why can't we just have cool guns to enjoy and use as range toys/safe queens?
You can. But for some reason a lot of people don't have the self-confidence to say "I bought this because its cool". Instead, they have to invent some kind of scenario justifying it.
This.
Honestly, just let people have fun without trying to convince them to play make-believe with you, because we all know that there ain't gonna be a "boog" and a shotgun will probably be enough for whatever you're dealing with.
>Why can't we just have cool guns to enjoy and use
not a single person is going to tell you not to buy a gun because you think it will be fun to shoot. but when you make a thread talking about VIABILITY then expect people to talk shit.
The older I get the more I realize nutnfancy was right about everything.
>The older I get the more I realize nutnfancy was right about everything.
I don't completely agree, but I agree more than I like
I'll go one step further and say that you don't need any "practical" guns at all. minmaxing is for fun hating homosexuals. you can see in people's collections who actually likes guns and who are delusional larping tryhards. Instead of filling your life with junk you have to cope about, get stuff that makes you smile.
It's the autists and spergs, anon. You can see that weird, no-fun min-maxing mindset often applied to video-games and thus carries over to firearms in some capacity or another due to secondhand interest in firearms they inevitably gain from playing vidyagaems. I can guarantee the spergs who legitimately attempt to min-max a firearm for self-defense, especially a semi-automatic shotgun, is the exact same type of sperg who pisses himself when somebody is not min-max'ing a video-game character in his general vicinity.
It's pure, unadulterated autism but applied to firearms and self-defense scenarios. This guy
also hits the proverbial nail on the head too. "Practicality", when applied to firearm setups, is simply the gun shoots when you want it to shoot and shoots where you want it to go.
>Why are tactical shotguns disliked so much?
1. Because the AR-15 has made people feel dependent on having essentially bottomless magazines, and
2. People get their opinions from GWOT veteran israelitetubers who universally were issued M4s.
sucks at mid range (inb4 "works at 100 yards" that's not range)
good for home defense
looks rad and is rad to shoot
>tacticool vet bros seem to hate them
Frick would they know? They weren't even allowed to use them offensively.
they hate them but i think they would hate even more getting shot by them thus shotgun le good
I literally don't give a frick. I'm still gonna shoot them because I like having fun.
Who needs a red dot on a shotgun? Just useless, unneccessary junk
Boomer fudds think that using a gun that looks tactical will get you convicted for murder or manslaughter if you use it for self defense because they believe that the scary black gun argument works in court.
1301 Gen 3 (or as Beretta calls it, Mod 2 from the original) is out in the US starting January. It has all QoL improvements from A300 Ultima Patrol, plus full mag tube and mlok handguard and pro lifter, among other small changes and internal coatings.
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/1301-tactical-mod--2-black-syn-FA0115
It's going for MSRP $1800 in the US, street price probably closer to $1500-$1600, which puts it at the same price range as Benelli M4 (pre mod), and M4-PRO is a significantly more expensive option.
They will likely slowly phase out Gen 2/Mod 1 as they did with Gen 1/Mod 0 of 1301.
All good improvements
i was excited reading your post bc the 1301 tac is a shotgun ive strongly been considering. my big disappointment comes from beretta not putting the scalloped bottom loading port like the a300 has. ill likely still get one but why would they not add this big feature?
I thought it had that, but on second glance, it does not. What a hugely stupid decision.
The 1301 already had a beveled loading port compared to the competition, you'd have to look at them side by side or compare pictures to see if they're different.
What the frick are you talking about buffoon? Are you lumping in shitty turkish ar styled or bullpoop SeMI AuTo ugly mag using all from the same factory 20 different name 200 dollars on psa piece of shit shotguns with like the benelli m4 and the beretta a300 and 1301? Thats a you mistake and would explain why your data makes no sense.
If you're going to actually pack a shotty, you want something short that can carry, chamber and reliably eject 4 or 5 3" inch magnums. Carry it in a holster on your ruck or backpack. Load it with high brass 3" magnums with a bit over 1 ounce compressed lead powder in a boron ceramic cased slug. Have a breaching standoff on the end of the barrel. Place against doors at hinges and lock. This is after you've run out of detcord breaching charges taped to cardboard that you just slap on doors, tuck against the wall and blast them pour in. Or to finish a door the detcord didn't quite finish.
If it ain't PUMP ACTION I ain't interested!
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