Tactical advantage of staging hundreds of troops outside within artillery range for hours while they wait for a speech?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668922195777581057
Tactical advantage of staging hundreds of troops outside within artillery range for hours while they wait for a speech?
Its just bait to make HIMARS give away their position, master tactics
"within artillery range" and "HIMARS" is misleading anon
they were standing 15 km (9 miles) from the front
eh that's within range of some artillery
besides, missile artillery is still artillery
yeah but generally when people see HIMARS they think 50 km+ not "a 10 minute drive"
fair
anyway this is definitely one of the dumber things i've seen from this war. russians are moronic. apparently some chechen monkey was in charge.
He knew from the start.
they're just bantering on a national scale
Who the frick cares? If you're presenting a priority target in himars range you're eating tungsten and "it wasn't even himars range it was much closer so even a 155mm or fricking Gvozdika could clap them" doesn't make it better.
i don't know why the russians are willing to tolerate moronation of this magnitude. i hope we get some drone footage of this.
apparently
is the vid
Oh so it wasn't a miss after all
Frick man, the Russians on other parts of the front probably are actually motivated by these guys dying. Nothing they hate more than each other
are we sure? i don't see "hundreds" in that video
War propaganda exaggeration, but killing dozens of soldiers and the commander of HQ is still a big accomplishment.
No, That's been geolocated to Donestk
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1668743076523671552?l
>That's been geolocated to Donestk
It also says "Donetsk Oblast" on the video, so it's nice to see you can still believe some things you read.
God, it's like someone kicked over an anthill.
The point is it's even worse than being within HIMARS range, it's within range of regular artillery.
15km is well in range of 155 guns, even if those are stationed 10km from the front themselves.
>15km is well in range of 155 guns
Oh now the NAFOtroon suddenly knows exactly how many guns Ukraine has in range of every exact position of the front
It's the fricking front you moron, where else would they have their guns?
Don't make fun of him. Russians regularly train their guns towards their own territory to prevent terrorism and cowardice
nice bait.
>15 km (9 miles) from the front
That's within artillery range dumbass
That's almost within fricking mortar range, to say nothing of artillery.
Russians are saying that there are hundreds of casualties from this HIMARS strike. Insane.
If it was one of those airbursters that shit tungsten everywhere, I'd absolutely believe it. Poor frickers got literally shredded.
if the troops were basically standing in formation waiting for commanders speech, then even regular artillery could cause ridiculous losses, let alone gps guided shells or himars
The frickers were Muslim, and they were praying.
Anon, they don't have to pray or follow any rules during jihad. Which they very much consider this to be.
Wrong
Devout Muslims very much do not consider this a holy war, did you forget the incident where a couple of muslim conscripts friendly fired a bunch of their fellows when the russian commanding officer called allah a fricking homosexual for not supporting russia?
Anon, it's chechens we're talking about. They consider whatever Kadyrov tells them to consider jihad.
Those guys were Tajik nationals that were forcefully conscripted into the Russian army and naturally complained. CO went on a rant about cowardice and got machine gunned down.
There's a vast difference between tajiks and chechens.
Chechens aren't devout to any god except TikTok
>TikTok
p.b.u.h.
There were chechen volunteers on the Ukrainian side
afaiu, Kadyrov is the leader of one tribe of Chechens who've cut a deal with the Russians; they rule the country and keep the country in line for Russia, they get paid off. Every other chechen hates them, but they have the monopoly on violence (and backing of the Russian military if that fails).
One of the potential results of Kadyrov and his bannermen getting shot up in Ukraine is the rest of Chechnya revolting again. Possibly why Kadyrov is so intent on shooting propaganda vids from outside his presidential palace.
Aren't chechens the same guys who tried to treat some wounded mobiks with honey and prayer saying that medicine was some heresy? I remember some telegram guy complaining about them and saying that they should leave that to their medics
If that was true Kadyrov could recruit from Chechnya, and he can't.
This is a highly advanced Russian tactic. Ukraine will be defeated in two weeks if Russia continues to give these motivational speeches.
Yeah but the HIMARs could have 6 missiles arrive almost simultaneously using a single truck.
Coordinating something similar with artillery would probably require lots of tubes from different locations etc
>the ukies used HIMARS against infantry arrayed in rank and file
What the frick is this war?
>insane
I think the word you're looking for is awesome, anon.
Airburst artillery is so cool
It really is.
It still makes me laugh thinking about the post where some pol/tard said the crew is okay and completed the firemission
C A N I S T E R E D
Goood good
>HIMARS did it again
Insanely macabre-funny, kwab
>hundreds of casualties from this HIMARS strike. Insane.
It would be "Insane" reading this on July 13 2022, not today.
I don’t know man. Gathering your troops in a pile within enemy artillery range to hold a speech then not even arrive to hold it while they get blasted instead is pretty insane even for Russia 15 months into the SMO.
>ukies have been using Alternative Warhead in this AO in recent videos to hit artillery
Please dear god let there be video of them hitting troops in the open, or at least the aftermath
>Tactical advantage of staging hundreds of troops outside within artillery range
To weaken the faction the troops belong to in order to prevent them from gaining power in Russia.
Same reason Wagner was starved and worn down in Bakhmut.
Authoritarian governments work on a delicate balance of power.
Is this Delimkhanov guy the general dude that I've been seeing news about getting killed or is it a different person
Kadyrovites are outside of MOD's chain of command. Delikmanov is a warlord. Presumably in charge of terrorizing the locals and supplying barrier troops.
Thanks
that was Sergei Goryachev chief of staff for the 35th Combined Arms Army
There have been (at least) three separate incidents. The crowd explosion, the convoy destruction (Delimhanov), the Major General (yesterday)
>The crowd explosion
huh? I don't think I've heard about this
I'm surprised no one posted this ITT yet
Someone posted a better angle in the main discussion thread too:
fricking wild, pity it wasn't a full barrage or at least 3 missiles they could have gotten even more.
Shame only one. Given number of enemy in the open would have justified a full salvo even without vehicles.
No, there's just two prominent Russian commanders that have been blown up and another one committing this blunder in the last 48 hrs.
A bad week for the Russian high command so far.
>No, there's just two prominent Russian commanders t
Wait two wtf? Or does that include the chechen guy
Yeah
1 dead, Goryachev
2 dead, Chechen guy
and this guy, who the Russian troops probably wish would get hit by a drone strike
They might kill him themselves yet
Allegedly it's the same fricking guy whose troops were cussing him out publically back in November for getting them killed with his idiocy. I'd say him getting fragged is more likely than committing sudoku.
instead of fragging him they'll just leak coordinates to a ukrainian HIMARS unit
I really wonder how they think that's supposed to work. Like Priggy supposedly feeding the coordinates, how would he even get in touch with Ukrainians
It's not that hard. You could literally just use a cell phone or satellite phone
Okay, I picked up my cellphone. Now what's the number of the nearest HIMARS unit commander?
Ring the surrender hotline, give coordinates, email proof, hang up
Ukraine has informant call centers
And literally ever call made inside ukraine is recorded currently, you could call anyone
>how would he even get in touch with Ukrainians
pigeon post
>week
This all happened yesterday and today.
It's Wednesday.
Hence the 'so far.'
We still have the rest of the week for things to get even worse.
> 200 000 tungsten balls exploding in the middle of a crowd of Russians.
Frick I'm cumming
I want to see the video
I have obtained a video of the commander
Nah, that's the dude that ordered the attack on Grozny
>He was rumoured to have launched the disastrous storming of Grozny while drunk during the celebrations of his 1 January birthday.
Vatnik Randy-bo-bandy holding the camera for the Russian Mr Lahey
>tfw
Could this be talking about the video of the building blast with Russians running out afterwards?
see
So yes, the russians suffered three humiliating missile strikes on the same day
Nice, good to see it's a different one
Imagine being the Ukrainian trying to estimate these 200 and 300 numbers. Unless you have Russian inside source, no way to get accurate numbers
those are russian milblogger estimates, ranjeesh
I havent seen any numbered casualty estimates from these latest explosions yet
We probably just have to wait a month until the zaporizia frontline collapses from lack of man power - before we see the full effects of all these mass casualty HIMARs and Storm Shadow strikes
Big if true, is there any footage or pics?
For once, I agree with the Russian milbloggers.
Standing for 2 fricking hours till a HIMARS strike blows up everyone is pure stupidity.
Say the speech FAST then scatter, lol.
>vatniks constantly bring up how they hit that Foreign Legion training base early in the war due to poor opsec
>get fricking HIMARS'd just standing around in the open air waiting to hear a speech
pottery
Do they not have radios?
private vladovich i'll have you raped for suggesting that my speech won't be good enough to require a large assembly of troops
Honestly they probably don't even have shoes that fit.
Better yet, write it down and distribute it. There's bound to be a few literate soldiers in your average Russian infantry company, right? Or maybe one of the officers... maybe.
Fricking smoke signals or semaphore would be better than bunching up
I suppose the spelling of annihilate might have changed, but when was 'inbued' a word?
Spelling used to be less standardized and typing wasn't a common skull until computers started to take off, so you see phonetic spellings more often in older documents. Dude said the word slightly differently so he spelled it slightly differently.
or, y'know, just don't have a fricking speech in the first place
Or do it over telegram or some shit
Wtd
Imagine being the UKIE commander seeing this opportunity appear in front of your eyes... Huge numbers of Russian soldiers and officers concentrating and you're desperately escalating it up the ranks to get some fricking shells or missiles on target. Yelling at your subordinates to get it done... Minutes and seconds go by as you look at your screen and you are getting more and more anxious that the opportunity is gonna fade.... Then BOOM! Hundreds of vatnigs dead in a giant explosion.
Goddamn must be like cumming the biggest load in the world.
Dude I got rock solid thinking about it, thanks.
This same exact thing happens in Middle parts of fortune, except its WW1 of course
M-M-Multikill! The combo bonus on 200x or 300x must be insane.
What's even better is that DeepState puts the following units in the Kreminna area:
>98th Airborne Division (VDV)
>144th Guards Motor Rifle Division
>76th Division (of which all locally deployed regiments are VDV).
>BARS units (highest tier of Russian formation)
These aren't your average mobik rats, but a good chunk of what is left of their more elite/trained units.
>Could be among the wounded
Lol /k/ BTFO. You've been spamming he was dead for fricking ages.
>HIMARS
Was it even a HIMARS strike? Kek.
>Lol /k/ BTFO.
This. Another solid win for puccia.
Is this like the second major HIMARS strike that killed hundreds of Russians? There was the one on New Year's.
There were plenty when HIMARS first started being deployed
And suddenly all those weak bait threads today make sense.
This is possibly one of the easiest wars to cut through the fog of war because vstnik shills increase shilling when bad shit is happening on the front. It works every time. More shilling, wait a day or two, the news comes out and then it's obvious why they were riled up.
It was prigozhin. He leaked the coordinates to ukies. Kadyrov's right hand needed to die.
Ukrainian special services are working, everyone knows where the ass is arriving.
killing soldiers isn't going to end this war. russia isn't going to run out. this war is gonna take years, if not decades, to conclude. west should be ramping up production of everything for itself and ukraine but instead just seems to hope it'll all work out despite the offensive going terribly. maybe they'll force ukraine to surrender in the end after all.
>killing soldiers isn't going to end this war. russia isn't going to run out.
LOL. LMAO, even. This why they're already mobilising 65-year-old reserve officers?
>this war is gonna take years, if not decades, to conclude
And? Time is on Ukraine's and the West's side.
>west should be ramping up production of everything for itself and ukraine but instead just seems to hope it'll all work out
Flatly incorrect.
>despite the offensive going terribly
Taking more than twice the ground the Russians took over the last 10 months within a week and killing htousands of Russians in return for minimal casualties means the offensive is "going terribly"?
>maybe they'll force ukraine to surrender in the end after all.
Lay down the copium pipe, Ivan.
>And? Time is on Ukraine's and the West's side.
USA has flagged for war in 2025. Ostensibly against China, but that is impossible because they are too strong and sell too many vital products to USA. The most likely target will be Iran with the aim of ejecting Iran from Yemen, Syria and Iraq, and occupy the coastal strip of Iran up to the mountains, leaving them landlocked. This would also hit China since they are the #1 buyer of iranian oil. And oh, wrecking Iran would be super beneficial to the security and political influence of Israel.
Yeah, so?
>USA will collapse because the new soap dispenser and vacuum robot won't arrive
>China will endure despite all their oil and food being imported because belief in the great leader drives people and tanks
I actually live in China (it's shit) and the whole place comes down once the sea of China turns into a war zone.
The country is already falling apart with ever more paranoia and the stagnant economy.
I don't get why westerners are so obsessed with a strong China coming for their women. The entire elite of this country sits in Miami and the population is now older than the US'. China will not go to war and if they do they will get blasted.
>t. ianjin anon
Ok but how is chinese pussy?
Don't know. My girlfriend isn't Chinese.
They are obsessed with white people though and you get stared at a lot. Girls approach me even when I walk hand in hand with my girlfriend.
Sexpat paradise, I reckon.
Frick. I should probably go visit as an aussie
Frick off, normalBlack folk
Sideways
as a Chinese bugman living in South America and ejoying Latinas pussies
>Ok but how is chinese pussy?
Hairy
It migth have somethign to do with all those wolf warrior morons Xi stuffed into the diplomatic service.
When diplomats tell you that they'd like to go to war with you because it makes their peepee hard then that tends to be taken serious.
>wolf warrior
I've heard this term a lot lately but what's a wolf warrior?
It's a faction in the CCP.
China owes its current prosperity to previous generations of CCP leaders spitting on Mao's grave, opening up to the west and adopting Kuomingtang policies almost word for word.
Wolf Warriors instead think that North Korea and the USSR are great role models and China should behave like a caricature of a 19th century great power.
Is Xi a wolf warrior?
He's a poop bear
I.e they're the ideological idiots who will run China into the ground, kek.
Just glorious.
>I've heard this term a lot lately but what's a wolf warrior?
It is a term taken from ultra-nationalistic action movies, Wolf Warrior and Wolf Warrior 2.
I can't see the US engaging in that type of war again. At a time of increasing competition with China, going into a very costly war with Iran would be foolish in the extreme.
Domestic production of weapons would potentially offput a true depression, I could see a uniparty war economy if the investment firms go under. The problem with the west is that its costly to make war materials now as our economy is set up around iphones and dildos.
Except their morale hangs by a fricking thread. Most mobiks know they have no reason to die there and will rather surrender or run away than fight. Not to mention the non-existent discipline and alcoholism
no, front collapses within a month, landbridge severed shortly thereafter, russia copes and seethes and falls into civil war.
>despite the offensive going terribly
why do you say that? Its actually going quite quickly, and much better than most optimistic analysts predicted (excluding max-hopium assessments)
It's really funny how a zigger can be so delusional to type this, while thinking it's anything but a terrible situation
No one cares how badly Ukraine when it's over, cus they are getting marshall plan Gibs by the end, it's Russia that's bleeding and isn't getting helped by anyone. They are the ones who needed to "reach Kiev in 2 days" because every day that passes Russia bleeds money, people, military reserves, international good faith, you name it
NATO is giving a fraction of their budget and military power for the purpose it was created, and they can just call it charity and gain even more allies in the region. If anything everyone BUT Russia and Ukraine are winning for a longer war. China has basically become the face of the east after this and can buy more of Russia for cheaper and NATO gets more western allies and can actively neutralize russia without officially warring
>killing soldiers isn't going to end this war. russia isn't going to run out
Why do people always get this wrong? it's not about killing all the soldiers. It's about killing enough until the other side stops. Either because the soldiers start flat out refusing to go to the front lines, or because Putin starts fearing an uprising.
The mil. bloggers faction just met with him this week and asked him to fully mobilize again, to which he keeps denying. He knows he can't draft anymore men than they're already going through or they'll have real issues.
Not to mention Russian moral is breaking.
I'm sorry the president of a global superpower, on eof the richest and most powerful men on the planet, met with... Military Bloggers?
It's less weird when you remember that Russian mil bloggers are an arm of state media.
>the president of a global superpower
Neither the USA or China have been mentioned, so which of the superpowers were you trying to talk about, anon?
>despite the offensive going terribly.
Why do people keep saying this shit?
Its the new cope, having been downgraded twice from "Counteroffensyiv wont happen*~~ hohols arw cowards*~~*~~" and "1 leopard killed, Counteroffensyiv over*~~*~~*~~". After we get through "Offensive going bad for Ukraine*~~*~~*~~" we enter no panic mode, which after comes panic.
>which after comes panic.
Nah we're never getting panic anon what comes next is blame game/finger pointing about who betrayed them for this to happen heaped high with even MORE cope "we accomplished all our objectives".
Killing soldiers is literally what ends the war you moron.
Enough VDV got killed in the Pripyat marshes, so Russia retreated from Kyiv.
Enough Rus Black folk got killed in Kherson, so they retreated from Kherson.
You’re a stupid Black person if you think killing Russians isn’t going to end the war
Wars are won by fulfilling strategic goals, in the case of Ukraine that's taking back their territory. Killing enemy combatants is sort of a necessary secondary goal here because they're the ones trying to stop you
Saying you win a war by killing more enemies is just like those moronic vatBlack folk claiming they're bleeding Ukraine dry
Germany had a great KDR against Russia in WW2
I'm an extremist so I don't really want Russians to die tbh, I just want as many Russians as necessary to die for Ukraine to throw them out of the country.
It's not like Russia is some kind of liberal democracy where they get a say in what their idiotic government does. Sucks to be them. But it also seems wrong to decide that Ukranians are a means to an end that just has to be sacrificed to keep those poor Russian schmucks alive.
this is crazy, the ukrainians are killing many more russians during this offensive than I thought, russia is absolutely fricked
iirc the figures the Ukrainian MOD are releasing actually show Russian casualties are below average these last few days
Even if the Ukrainian counteroffensive wasn't doing well you'd still expect them to kill more than if they were just sat in their trenches waiting and preparing, so this lends credence to the idea that what we have seen so far really was just aggressive scouting operations, mostly not performed with the fresh battalions.
This isn't about tactical advantages, it's about discipline and subordination. A soldier should follow his leaders no matter how idiotic and suicidal their orders are, because he should never EVER disobey them, otherwise the whole army, campaign and even war itself is doomed. So if you can swallow such stupudity as waiting out in the open for your commander to give his silly speech, you're a good soldier. That's the main principle of the Russian Army.
Great b8 m8
>hundreds of Russians die to himars strike
>Single thread
>Single leopard gets a track thrown
>Catalog unusable due to spam
Sirs where is the ukrop spam I was told would happen? Did /chug/ lie to me?
The US has already said they'll be replacing all the Bradleys that were destroyed a week ago, do try to keep up. Next you will tell me that a couple Bradleys don't matter in the long run, which is why this board was unusable when the first images of destroyed Bradleys dropped.
I'm not talking about the US but everybody else. US is the only nation with the deep stocks that is willing to support Ukraine.
Wait until you hear the prepared speech:
>Welcome to Ukraine gentlemen I will not lie, the chances of your survival are small, some may even turn against your friends as part of the RDK, but you have my word that I will use my politcal connections to ensure that I will receive a promotion in the end. This is the greatest reward, more than even rubles, for the fate of your superior officer is an even greater concern. Now come, follw me! Strike down these hohol pigs that dare stand against us, allow me to find this orb of Pisky! I ask not for my own selfish gain, but for the good of Mother Russia!
SUPREME!
> Taking ground is easy, holding it is hard.
Didn't the Russians get btfo trying to retake Makarivka and Neskuchne? Seems to me it's the other way around; any ground the ukies take, the Russians don't seem to be able to take back.
I wouldn't be surprised if these slow gatherings were a common ocurrence among all troops and they're now throwing shit at this commander because this time they got killed.
I doubt it. I just think Chechen high command are so weird and disconnected they think taking these sorts of risks is acceptable.
This is it! Rostov is under siege! Nothing can stop ukranus now!