Lol imagine typing this and thinking you have an argument.
What does it matter if it’s a 60s plane? Other planes around that age still get sold today
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Anonymous
Which 1960s fighter jets are still sold today?
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Anonymous
F-15
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>first flight 1972
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>developed in the 1960s
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So by that logic the Viggen is a 50s aircraft then.
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Anonymous
Lol imagine typing this and thinking you have an argument.
What does it matter if it’s a 50s plane? Other planes around that age still get sold today like the c-130
Swedish planes were export failures in the 50s and they still are today. Nobody wants your planes Sven
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That's mostly a product of the aerospace industry totally stagnating though.
Its amazing how stoneage the supposed space age industry is.
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Why people buy f-35 over gripped then? You couldn’t even convince Canada to buy it when they vowed to never buy the f-35
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the f-35 is basically the only plane on the market designed after 1980. And anyone who though Canada would buy gripens has room temperature iq at best
Still someone working at lockheed who is now in their 50s can have worked their whole career on the same fricking project.
In the 60s a new fighter was launched every 5 years. Then the industry decided to stop innovation.
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>the industry just decided to stop innovation
More like fighters have become so technologically advanced that the amount of work needed to design one became so large that it takes decades to complete it, and then it makes more sense to update this design for next couple of decades instead of making a new one from scratch.
People underestimate how complex modern fighters are. This shit is the peak of what we as a species can make, our technological peak. >t. Aerospace engineering undergrad
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>t. Aerospace engineering undergrad
I work in the industry and I'm amazed at how stone age it is. Everything connected to stuff that flies is ancient, Windows xp computers not even running sp1 that it is forbidden to update because then the whole system needs to be recertified being prime example.
It's literally illegal to be innovative in that market. Think about it the f-35 first flew in 2006, the first iPhone was released on 2007.
For comparison it takes ~5 years to build a new car from scratch meanwhile the aerospace industry locks itself to a single airframe for 40 years with the probable result that when its time to build a new one there is zero experience on how to do that left.
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>What does it matter if it’s a 50s plane?
Because the comparison was against the F-35 you cretin.
Just admit you confused the Viggen for the Gripen. >Other planes around that age still get sold today like the c-130
Yes, a turboprop transport, not a fighter/strike aircraft.
A long history of industry and self reliance. Same reason they chose to remain third world during the cold war over picking a side and why their move to join NATO is such a big deal. Shame the car division of Saab is kaput and the aircraft division isn't long for this world in this market, at least Bofors is going strong
> I wonder if that company will go under.
No, they make plenty of money in other areas. However military aviation will probably be partnerships in the future as with the T-7.
There is globaleye as well, they actually get export orders on that.
you mean how did we do it because there hasnt been anything newly developed in this country since the cold war that hasnt been shit unless we are talking improvements to existing projects
Sweden is never going to "do it" ever again thanks to the careless treatment of our military and other sectors by our politicians over the past 20 years.Where we once had world leading capabilities we now lack behind fricking norway and finland.
Kek swedens MIC is miles ahead of finland and norway.
But yeah we will never develop a new fighter jet on our own for the simple reason that the f-35 project cost like 3 times our annual gdp...
No they don't. Patria especially doesn't so any high tech shit.
The fact that you complain about a company that hasn't existed for the last 8 years not doing anything shows how little you know...
You seem to know little else though.
What can patria produce that even comes close to a globaleye or giraffe 8A in technical complexity?
Pic related
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eh i mean those are updated versions of old ericsson products, but fair enough i guess they dont do radar at least as far as i know
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Anonymous
By that metric almost no company has produced a new product the last 10 years. They are completely new systems under the hood and so is the "midlife update" of Arthur that the UK ordered.
Which new products have patria and kongberg developed in the last 10 years that are not developed from already existing products? So I can compare this supposed innovation coming from them with saab
canards
is that billy eyelash?
All this time I've been wanking over Viggens, and they're really just reverse Phantoms?
Oh my fricking God!
cursed
It's not that hard to slap some metal together.
>has S-Ducts in 1967
>Russia makes new 5th gen fighter in 2010
>still can't figure out S-Ducts
Are curved metal tubes really that hard for russians?
Is having people want to buy there planes that hard for Sweden? They have to bribe people lol
weird attempt at a flex considering the pak-fa is vaporware
Have you seen the viggen STOL demos? Yeaaaaah boiiii!
Yeah that’s cool but nobody is buying them lol. F-35 cucked them
What the frick are you talking about
The Viggen is a 60s plane moron.
Lol imagine typing this and thinking you have an argument.
What does it matter if it’s a 60s plane? Other planes around that age still get sold today
Which 1960s fighter jets are still sold today?
F-15
>first flight 1972
>developed in the 1960s
So by that logic the Viggen is a 50s aircraft then.
Lol imagine typing this and thinking you have an argument.
What does it matter if it’s a 50s plane? Other planes around that age still get sold today like the c-130
Swedish planes were export failures in the 50s and they still are today. Nobody wants your planes Sven
That's mostly a product of the aerospace industry totally stagnating though.
Its amazing how stoneage the supposed space age industry is.
Why people buy f-35 over gripped then? You couldn’t even convince Canada to buy it when they vowed to never buy the f-35
the f-35 is basically the only plane on the market designed after 1980. And anyone who though Canada would buy gripens has room temperature iq at best
Still someone working at lockheed who is now in their 50s can have worked their whole career on the same fricking project.
In the 60s a new fighter was launched every 5 years. Then the industry decided to stop innovation.
>the industry just decided to stop innovation
More like fighters have become so technologically advanced that the amount of work needed to design one became so large that it takes decades to complete it, and then it makes more sense to update this design for next couple of decades instead of making a new one from scratch.
People underestimate how complex modern fighters are. This shit is the peak of what we as a species can make, our technological peak.
>t. Aerospace engineering undergrad
>t. Aerospace engineering undergrad
I work in the industry and I'm amazed at how stone age it is. Everything connected to stuff that flies is ancient, Windows xp computers not even running sp1 that it is forbidden to update because then the whole system needs to be recertified being prime example.
It's literally illegal to be innovative in that market. Think about it the f-35 first flew in 2006, the first iPhone was released on 2007.
For comparison it takes ~5 years to build a new car from scratch meanwhile the aerospace industry locks itself to a single airframe for 40 years with the probable result that when its time to build a new one there is zero experience on how to do that left.
>What does it matter if it’s a 50s plane?
Because the comparison was against the F-35 you cretin.
Just admit you confused the Viggen for the Gripen.
>Other planes around that age still get sold today like the c-130
Yes, a turboprop transport, not a fighter/strike aircraft.
No fighter jet has ever been sold without bribes.
Russia is society that bas become rotten to its core. The corruption has degenerated everything from the foundation up.
A long history of industry and self reliance. Same reason they chose to remain third world during the cold war over picking a side and why their move to join NATO is such a big deal. Shame the car division of Saab is kaput and the aircraft division isn't long for this world in this market, at least Bofors is going strong
Garbage tier planes. All those public evaluations from countries like Switzerland humiliated Gripen trash.
If the Grippen is so bad why Brazil has it?
>if grippen is so bad why did banana eating monkeys buy it
Technology transfer. This way they can make it their own thing. The other choices were Rafale (lol) and F16 (very limited tech transfer).
The grippen is so bad because brazil chose it
And yet the swiss air force recommended it.
Is anyone still buying gripens? I wonder if that company will go under.
> I wonder if that company will go under.
No, they make plenty of money in other areas. However military aviation will probably be partnerships in the future as with the T-7.
There is globaleye as well, they actually get export orders on that.
They do it the same way as all other indigenous fighters do it. By licensing jet engines from General Electric.
Large brains
you mean how did we do it because there hasnt been anything newly developed in this country since the cold war that hasnt been shit unless we are talking improvements to existing projects
Sweden is never going to "do it" ever again thanks to the careless treatment of our military and other sectors by our politicians over the past 20 years.Where we once had world leading capabilities we now lack behind fricking norway and finland.
Kek swedens MIC is miles ahead of finland and norway.
But yeah we will never develop a new fighter jet on our own for the simple reason that the f-35 project cost like 3 times our annual gdp...
Patria and kongsberg is doing more than saab or bofors, kockums and hägglunds have for the past 10 years
No they don't. Patria especially doesn't so any high tech shit.
The fact that you complain about a company that hasn't existed for the last 8 years not doing anything shows how little you know...
Kockums was bought by saab, yes i know.
You seem to know little else though.
What can patria produce that even comes close to a globaleye or giraffe 8A in technical complexity?
Pic related
eh i mean those are updated versions of old ericsson products, but fair enough i guess they dont do radar at least as far as i know
By that metric almost no company has produced a new product the last 10 years. They are completely new systems under the hood and so is the "midlife update" of Arthur that the UK ordered.
Which new products have patria and kongberg developed in the last 10 years that are not developed from already existing products? So I can compare this supposed innovation coming from them with saab
spend more for inferior products
SAAB has NEVER turned a profit
>SAAB has NEVER turned a profit
Source?
>Tailor-made to Swedish conditions
>hurr durr why is it an export failure
What are Swedish conditions? Kneeling to Somalis?